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28% Deployed Troop Votes Not Counted

From the Marine Corps Times:

Study: 28% of deployed troop votes not counted

By Rick Maze – Staff writer
Wednesday May 13, 2009

A study released Wednesday says that 28 percent of deployed service members were unable to vote in the November elections because their absentee ballots were uncounted or never collected.

That finding, based on data gathered by the Congressional Research Service from seven states with high populations of military voters, is worse than in the 2000 presidential election, despite a massive effort to improve the absentee voting process, said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who requested the study.

“This is unacceptable and something we should not allow to continue,” Schumer said.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said he expects Congress to do something tangible because voting laws are not working.

The seven states in the study were California, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and West Virginia.

Combined, they account for 43.5 percent of the active-duty military population.

Whatever happened to making sure every vote counts?

(Thanks to BannedbytheTaliban for the heads up.)

This article was posted by Steve on Wednesday, May 13th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

41 Responses to “28% Deployed Troop Votes Not Counted”

  1. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    From the Marine Corps Times:

    28% of troop votes didn’t count in 2008

    By Rick Maze – Staff writer
    Posted : Wednesday May 13, 2009

    A study released today says that 28 percent of deployed service members were unable to vote in the November elections because their absentee ballots were uncounted or never collected…


    Wonder how many of those votes went to Norm Coleman?

    • Douglas says:

      It doesn’t matter how many went to Norm. They’d have found yet another 100 votes all for Obama/Franken in Mountain Iron or some other county. Or they’d have double counted more votes from areas in downtown Minneapolis or St. Paul.

      Prima Facia, the fact that some precincts counted more votes in the recount than were cast in the election indicates fraud. Not that the Minneapolis (red) Star and Tribune would ever bother to investigate.

  2. wardmama4 says:

    Yepper indeedy doo – every vote counts – unless you are Republican, conservative, pro-life, Christian, or Military – then who gives a damn.

    I want a photo ID presented to vote, a purple finger after voting and proof required to prove you are a US citizen and a resident of the state you are voting in, of course my dream would also be a tax receipt (IRS preferable but property ok).

    The only 3 ‘groups’ that I’d let pass on the last one (proof of being a taxpayer) would be Military, Immigrants Naturalized in the last 3 years and 18 year old new voters.

    They limit and license driving/car ownership, they are limiting (in an attempt to ban) gun ownership – heck you have to pay for a license for your stupid dog in most places – so what the hell is wrong at all with some rational limits on the most important and serious decision a citizen can make?!?

    Of course, first for any of this to happen and make a difference ACORN would have to be imprisoned or at the very least – eradicated.

  3. Dangerous says:

    The way I see it, we could kill two birds with one stone.

    First, convince ACORN that the military votes democrat.
    Second, send a whole bunch of ACORN vote-buyers, uh, I mean, volunteers, to the deployment zones to register these votes.

    Not only will the number of ballots counted for the military increase by a few thousand percent, that’s a whole set of liberal thugs that aren’t in the US but instead are out and about, possibly learning a thing or two about how the rest of the world works. They might come back conservative, or be voluntary human shields for the good guys, for once.

  4. Liberals Demise says:

    The part that pisses me off the worst is they have known there was a problem going back to 2000 when they wanted to throw out most the Veteran Votes in Florida.

    Veterans only get counted when they need the democrap ones to count or toss out the others as unreadable!

    Tell you the truth…..I wanna kick someone in the dangling chads!!

  5. proreason says:

    I’m pretty sure that the Constitution has a clause in it that only allows 3/5 of military people to be countred.

  6. BatK says:

    Why do the Libs hate the people that fight for and die to protect this country? Taking away benefits, removing funding, et al? Is it because our troops are PROTECTING America (as we knew it) hence, preventing the Libs from attaining their socialist power grab?

    • proreason says:

      “Is it because our troops are PROTECTING America ”


      It’s because the military votes Republican.

      For a libwit, power is everything…..even to the extent of endangering their own safety.

      And since they have the mentality of adolescents anyway, they really see little need for a military. Hey, we start all the wars anyway, right? If we didn’t have a military, the whole world would be a kumbaya of joy, love, peace, sex, and dope.

    • catie says:

      You’re right Pro, the vast majority of folks in the military vote Republican regardless of race or gender. However, there were a lot minorities I know who voted for the Dear Leader and a lot of the young ones just coming in did as well. When one talks to these older folks about their votes for the messiah it all comes down to race and that was that. I always make it a point to ask them if they feel they’ve done a disservice to the service members and again it was just wanting the black man in the big white house. I’m hoping they are over this nonsense by 2012.
      Yes, the left despises the military for the most part. The area I always encountered the vast majority of liberals in the military are in the medical and jag corps.
      BTW does anyone know why the dear leader is going to AZ? I’m just curious because it’s a big waste of money. Perhaps he should look into “go to meeting” or some other such service.

    • Gila Monster says:

      Catie, the Obamessiah is coming to our fair state to speak at the commencement ceremony for Arizona State University.

      Here’s to hoping his teleprompter shorts out due to the heat, (probably 98F at speech time), clink-clink.
      All the usual libtard groups are all tingly and salivating over his highness’ visit and the local media appear to be planning an all night orgy and love-in in his honor.
      I plan on knocking back a few gritas’ and laughing at the numerous hysterical moonbats that I’m sure will be wandering the streets of my fair town.

      BTW, the media just released a photo of AF1 on it’s way to Phoenix;


      Heh…. ;o)

    • Petronius says:

      There have been many forms of government, most bad, some indifferent, a few moderately good. One-man-one-vote is not the most desirable form of government by any means, especially where the electorate contains large numbers of people who are neither taxpayers nor veterans, of people without property or education, of immigrants and illegal aliens. One-man-one-vote democracy is doomed to failure where there are large cohesive subgroups who do not share the ideals, culture, and loyalties of the main body of people. I believe it was Ludwig von Mises who first showed that the principle of majority rule leads to tyranny in polyglot territories. The best solution for polyglot territories (and a good rule in general) is decentralization or secession. Otherwise, if that is unacceptable, a constitutional monarchy probably works best for multicultural or multinational populations, e.g. Great Britain up through the age of Peel or the Hapsburg Empire. Say what you will about them, the Hanoverians, Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, and Romanovs would never have filled up their realms with Islamic jihadists.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      As catie said……”another waste of money”.
      Unless of course he stops by St. Louis to pick up a pizza to go.

    • proreason says:

      “The best solution for polyglot territories (and a good rule in general) is decentralization or secession”

      Excellent post, petronius. Very thought-provoking.

      The idea is reminiscent of the well-known quote (can’t remember who said it)…paraphrasing….democracy is dead as soon as a large group of the voters realizes they can vote themselves the keys to the treasury.

    • catie says:

      Thanks Gila, I was wondering what he was doing going out that way. I forgot it is graduation season again. I guess it’s Sunday that he makes his appearance at “Our Lady’s School” aka Notre Dame. I’ll be joining you in the ritas on that day.

  7. bousquem says:

    The only military votes the left wants to count are those that are for candidates that they support. Maybe they’ll count a couple of republican votes so it doesn’t seem to strange. It really pisses me off that the left can steal alot these elections through fraud and not counting ballots when they aren’t in their favor and no one in the media besides Fox seems to care. Even then almost no one has the guts to call these groups committing the fraud out on it and actually investigate it. Instead said same groups (ex. ACORN) will offer up some scape goats if it gets bad enough and denying/lying doesn’t work and then all seems to be forgiven.

  8. BillK says:

    Of course it should be obvious that 28% is much more than the margin of victory of Franken or The Chosen One himself.

    Hmmm, why would Democrats have a vested interest in making sure the votes of the military were “late?”

  9. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    The left must think that since the military is used to getting shafted anyway why not with their votes? After all, those of us who were in the military were constantly told to suck it up and press on. I agree that liberalism has begun to infest the ranks of all branches. Not to mention political correctness. But it really ticks me off at how the left thinks that the military will get over their votes not being counted and let the bygone be a bygone. Note to the left, and I won’t recant from this remark, the military has all the weaponry, intel, and manpower to violently force you from power if they feel the time has come to do that. Before I retired, there was a silent brewing resentment among the ranks against politicians who were gutting our forces.

    • canary says:

      Obama’s described 2006 Jan. Iraq trip gave heads up to his slave mentality followers that soldiers and everyone in Iraq were for staying. His sorrow over 9/11 New Yorkers nightmare (relived by Obama’s 2009 terrorism and global spread ongoing joking of their devastation) led to a day and half visit to Iraq to meet with Iraq leaders.
      He first met with members of the Iraqi Election Team who informed him how well Democracy was working, their aim to bring communities together.
      Then met with the Iraqi government where he only recognized Mr. Ahmed Chalabi who Obama accuses and blames for misinformation fed to U.S.
      intelligence who was to blame for the entire mess that decieved & led U.S. and Bush to invade !!! . (but don’t forget, Obama practices the blame game).
      Obama then managed to dine with the troops, in which every soldier, spoke with pride, knowledge, technical know-how, ingenuity, pride in their rebuilding a new Iraq.
      Only they kept asking Obama the “same question” again again.

      “Why did the U.S. press only report on bombings and killings? There was progress being made, they insisted- I (Obama) needed to let the folks back home know that their work was not in vain”.

      Did Obama do the only thing America’s finest, bravest, most impoverished, requested of him. No, he made the decision that all our troops should be out by the end of that year 2006.

      After speaking to the troops, he begged the stressed, fearful of risky dangerous nightfall , reporters who wanted to get to their places of safety, “for an informal, OFF THE RECORD conversation” which led to him asking “if they thought a U.S. troop withdrawal might ease tensions”, in which Obama expected an “affirmative” answer, but intead they shook their heads no.
      Yet, Obama is clear in all his writings that lowering defense, and talking peace is all that works.

      That only evening “he watched the Redskins game, piped in live via satelilite to the pool house once reserved for Saddam and his guests.”

      Next day he went to a Marine base in Fallujah, where just hours before five Marines were killed by roadside bombs and small arms fire. While Obama imposed at the “rawer” looking troops, he spoke to a major, who told of their needs for more help, so the Iraqi’s could see concrete benefits from U.S. efforts. On leaving, Obama’s aid asked a senior office what was needed, and they were told more or less they were in the way, and to leave; as any Marine would tell any bunch of ignorant suits or reporters.

      Obama’s dreams of his father’s fighting the white man, no longer real, seeing that they prospered and respected the white man, meant it was up to him, King Obomie to continue his present day dream for Africa to fight the white man. White men introduced Africa to guns (“pow” weapons). All pow weapons are bad.


    • Liberals Demise says:

      Hey canary….you just mentioned my favorite weapon…….the “TALKING STICK!!”

      “All POW weapons bad.”
      “All BOOM weapons worserest!!”

  10. texaspsue says:

    The Troops should be the FIRST Americans to have their votes counted. This could have changed the outcome of soo many elections. Jeez, this is so wrong on so many levels. (Ye ole double standard rearing it’s ugly head again. ) The liberals don’t understand the Military so they treat the Troops with such disrepect. This article makes me so angry…………and it takes A LOT to make me angry! :-(

    “…….politicians who were gutting our forces.”

    Not to mention putting a freeze on the Troop’s salaries, benefits, etc. Don’t be surprised when many of the Troops go for early retirement as they did in the 90’s.

  11. MinnesotaRush says:

    “Study: 28% of deployed troop votes not counted” ..

    This kind of crap makes my blood boil!!! Of ANY GROUP whose votes should be “sacred” .. our military men and women’s should be it!!!

    Our military is putting teeth to their words/commitment!!! Our military is serving our Country; and with a sworn willingness to protect and defend her even if it means paying the ultimate price!!! Our military is regularily asked to do its’ job under adverse conditions and does so with tremendous devotion, capability and execution!!! Our military is oftentimes denigrated and ruthlessly attacked by some/many of our own citizens and leaders yet still moves on with the mission foremost in mind!!!

    God Bless them!!! Where would we be without them?!

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again .. (and thx Petronius for your post above – well said and on point) .. used to be in this Country, only land owners could vote – people with a vested stake in the Country. How ’bout we borrow from that theme and run with a program that says .. 1) ONLY registered voters get to vote; and they must register in-person for themselves with proper I.D.. 2) Every registered voter that votes .. counts for 1 vote. 3) Every registered TAX-PAYING (bona fide taxpayer – not just filer – PAYER) voter that votes .. their vote counts twice. .. and 4) Every active duty, reserve, and/or veteran of the uniformed Armed Forces of the United States vote counts three times.

    I’m somehow damned certain under that format, we wouldn’t be seeing anything of the likes of o-blah-blah, Pelosi, Reid, (et al), in ANY elected postion.

    And if it were found that any one, or any organization, in any way or method, sought to play games with the votes or process, severe and harsh penalty would be mandatory.

    It’s a shameless scam to perpetrate this kind of gutter crap upon the very folks who are engaged daily in keeping us and our Country safe (oftentimes at great and defining risk)!!!

    Borrowing a bit from the (not so) reverrend wright .. G_d D_mn those that participated with this shameless and sickening affront to our Country and its’ military!!!

    • My son called me up, was quite pissed as well when this story broke.. I reminded him of Stuart Smalley in MN who might well be the beneficiary of thrown away mil votes.. I probably shouldn’t feed the fire like that..


    • Liberals Demise says:

      JG…..”WE” know and “WE” never forget!!

  12. U NO HOO says:

    I consider it a superior officer’s duty to be sure his subordinates’ ballots get to the ballot box.

    There is something called Express Mail, Registered Mail, etc., that will make sure the mail is delivered in a timely, and “not Lost in the Mail” manner.

    Money should not be a constraint.

    In my home county we are using our second set of electronic machines and had to take out of storage our old mechanical machines once or twice as an interim. $$$$$$$$$$

    Obama, please straighten the important, oops, military isn’t important.

  13. pdsand says:

    I’m sorry, but the system to support military absentee voting is sorry. I always took it upon myself to know every little rule and intricacy on how and when a ballot must be filled out and mailed by in order to be counted, but I think I was one of a very few in my squadron to do that. They always have voting reps, but half the time they don’t know what they’re doing, and will generally push the federal write-in absentee ballot, or the FVAP ballot request, neither of which I think Georgia accepted at the time.
    Plus the state has all kinds of rules as far as you sign an oath, put the ballot in two different envelopes, fill the circles out appropriately and let the ink dry before folding the ballot, etc. If everything wasn’t done just right, someone who didn’t like your votes at the county office could legitimately throw your ballot out. Otherwise they might be forced to do a Minnesota and just reject a valid vote for all the world to see.

    So of the pitiful percentage of military who get off their duffs to vote absentee, an even fewer pitiful percentage are getting the proper paperwork sent in to vote on. And if you do it all right and on time, and it doesn’t get lost in the mail, of that percentage, only 72% are accepted at the county registrar office and get counted. That’s just sad. But if you’ve ever wondered why so many in the military are of a right-wing persuasion, yet the absentee ballots never really push the elections to the right, that would be why.

  14. Celina says:

    I haven’t read through the comments here but I know this was a big problem at our polling station. I work at the polls at our Army post. Many a wife came in complaining that her husband wasn’t unable to vote because he was sent to training last minute and couldn’t ask for an absentee ballot in time.

    I will be back to read later.

  15. canary says:

    Obama’s attempt to take white man’s “pow” weapons, has at least hit the U.S. soldiers living off base in KY, recieved memo’s from military to fill out forms of all guns, cereal numbers, etc. they own. This was in March. Don’t know how wide spread this is.

  16. Lurkin_no_mo says:

    I’m not sure the military votes overwhelming Republican/Conservative. I’ve been doing this military thing for 34 years and know a whole lot of democrat/liberals. The vast majority of the foot soldiers (E-1 to E-5) are rather young and they tend to be more liberal due to youth, unless they come from a very conservative family. Soldiers may be more conservative than the vast majority of the demoncraps, (after all, they are serving a great cause) but they live in a socialist society in the military and many of them are comfortable with the things the military provided (socialist society) and think the US should be just like military society. The vast majority of Soldiers are pretty damn good at following orders without question. What party follows orders without question from their ACORN friends?
    I’m not talking down my soldiers. The majority of them are great men and women.
    I was raised in a Democrat family. I registerd as a democrat. I then voted for a fellow by the name of Ronald Reagan, and we all know how that turned out.
    The absentee voting thing needs to be changed, but then, from what was seen from this past election, we need more a lot more emphasis and watchful eyes at polling places.
    A German friend of mine (prior to the election) had a daughter who was doing a class project on the election and asked me to pass around a questionaire concerning the election, i.e. who my co-workers would vote for in the election. Obambi won in this completely non-scientific survey, and my work group is pretty conservative. The problem was that the conservatives would not vote for John McCain. When we run true conservatives, we usually win. Why have dem light when you can have a REAL socialist type dem who will free the world?
    Yea, long post, and most of you won’t see it anyway due to the time difference. That’s why I don’t post so often anymore, but read the posts everyday.

    • Liberals Make Great Speedbumps says:

      I saw your post Lurkin. I agree with your points about the military’s political persuasions. It is a cross section of American society plain and simple. Was that way when I was in and I’m sure it still is today.

    • proreason says:

      “It is a cross section of American society plain and simple”

      The polls say otherwise. Now, as any reader of S&L postings knows, I don’t believe the polls very often, but when they go against the MSM persuasiion, I figure they are a hekuva lot more reliable.

      And I don’t buy the “cross section” bit at all. To think looney libs go into the military in the same numbers as people from conservative families just doesn’t make sense. The comment is simply unsupportable.

      Most people go into the military for these reasons:
      1. They see it as a good career opportunity,
      2. It’s common in their family and background,
      3. They are patriots, and/or
      4. They are attracted to the risk and danger.

      Points 2 and 3 are reasons that make it more likely the person will be more conservative than liberal. One can argue for point 1 as well, since if a young person is already looking at a career, that person is more likely to have common sense than most. I don’t know about point 4, but somehow, I don’t see looney libs, with their love of safety nets on every corner, being big risk-takers or danger-seekers.

      So I can’t think of a single reason that the military is a cross-section of the country. And the polls agree.

      The comments here and elsewhere about younger military people being more liberal are true, but that is true in general for the country. Young people haven’t learned life’s lessons and believe the 48×7 propaganda drummed out by the msm and their brainwashed teachers. But that is further evidence of the conservative nature of the military, since in recent years, the average age has increased. And in society in general, as age increases, conservatism increases.

    • pdsand says:

      Well, there are a lot of people with a lot of political persuasions in the military. The biggest recruiting tool, year after year is the Montgomery GI Bill, and since that makes a monetary incentive rather than a patriotic reason to join the military, of course there are people of all stripes in uniform trying to get that money. However, in the military, as in life, the liberal outliers are far more vocal than the silent majority of people who love America and believe in God and family. You will always know who the Obama supporter is in a unit, but you might not hear anything from the 5 or 6 guys who think Bush was a good President. And by far and large, not nearly enough of those people are voting and having their votes counted.

    • catie says:

      The day after the 04 election I had lunch with my daughter’s doctors wife (we had been in the same unit at Fort Stewart & had hosted two coffees together so we knew each other fairly well) and when I arrived at the Chilli’s at Pearl Ridge she was balling. Knowing that they were also going through IVF at the time I thought perhaps she had had another “failed” attempt and that was the reason for her tears. I asked her what was wrong and she was balling because Bush had won again. I thought it was a joke at first and she told me she was indeed serious. I told her my husband said he was getting out if Kerry had won and she made some comment regarding “ground pounders and their conservative views”. I told her I was in under Reagan, another ground pounder and back for a short stint to Kuwait in 1990-91 and that the majority of “ground pounders” were Republicans. Yeah, there were a few people I served with who voted for Mondale & Dukakis, but again we were still relatively young.
      It’s true the libs do seem to speak up more often but they also tend whine a lot more too. A friend of mine who went straight to boot camp the Tuesday after graduation from high school and retired as an E-9 , a few years ago said that in his experience the biggest trouble makers were always liberals or ones who whined about actually having to go to NTC or on a deployment when they were just there for “the college benefits”.
      In my limited experience on active duty the majority of people I served with were conservative and as a spouse it’s been a similar situation. The vast majority of Medical and JAG Corps are liberal unless they happened to have been in a “ground pounder” or Seaman in a previous life.

    • proreason says:

      “ground pounders and their conservative views”.


      What could be more disgusting than a military lib who is contemptuous of those who put their lives on the line.

      Makes you want to do a Jimmy Cagney on her.

    • catie says:

      Yeah, she was something else. Her father was a Chaplain in the Air Force so I don’t know where she picked up her views. She did say she was much happier when her husband was stationed at a hospital instead of a Brigade Unit. I never really thought to ask her why. In the end though we don’t keep in touch with them. It was a friendship I didn’t want to pursue and I would have not been in touch with her in HI if my husband wasn’t so insistent on having her husband be our daughter’s doctor. He wasn’t a good one and she was in and out of the hospital almost dying twice. When they PCS’d she got a different doctor who actually gave a darn and she improved dramatically. I believe her husband was of the same mindset.

    • Liberals Make Great Speedbumps says:


      Perhaps the percentages aren’t an exact reflection of American society so the term “cross section” isn’t perfect, but there are folks from every segment of society in the military as you know. I’m sure that such things as whether there is a shooting war going on or not will skew those percentages one way or the other. I served with many who were there for the college tuition and no other reason whatsoever.

  17. Right of the People says:

    Don’t forget, all of these soldiers are potential domestic terrorists. That’s why the libs don’t want to count their votes. I never missed getting a ballot when I was in Germany in the 70’s but seeing as my home state at the time was Ohio, a bastion of union activity my vote was probably discarded once they saw the return address.

    God Bless our brave men and women in uniform and keep them safe.

  18. cmblake6 says:

    I will do this. I will enter my most read post ever. If you wish to read it, and understand what I meant, please do.
    All enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.

  19. canary says:

    I disagree with alot of the posts on what party our soldiers belong to.
    The military votes helped Bush get elected.
    I was a medic, my father a medic, and we are Republicans. During some medical training at Ft. Sam Houston most every soldier voted Republican.
    During the period of non-war prior to 9/11, the military was stricter, and education
    benefits were not as high. Non war periods pay is less, benefits less. Contracts vary all the time. Amount of time you must serve, etc. Bush changed the
    contracts, which wasn’t right, and so most of the Democrats got out when they could and did not re-enlist, and records showed major drop in Democrats enlisting. Those in military vote for the man, who supports the military and defense the most. Republican. Afro-Americans have dropped to the lowest number ever, because most of them are democrats, so that lowers the number of democrats. Of course during the draft of Vietnam it was a different ball game as to voting. But, nearly daily I keep up with the soldiers who lose their life. Nearly daily, they are white. I don’t as much as I used to. My sniper hero who just re-enlisted, who is an African American, gung-ho lifer, but, he voted for Obama. Still, he is one smart, patriotic soldier, and amazing .I will keep up with daily brigades and things with lot’s of photos. I believe this is the most educated military we’ve ever had.

    The enormous number of troops re-enlisting and going back, I believe are Republicans. None of this I’m not gonna fight the white man’s war. All the democrats I know, were against any war. I mean they thought it was wrong to hang Saddam Hussien, and I have to point out that the U.S. did not hang him.
    They still go around saying that we had it coming. That violence breeds violence. They don’t want us over there. And all the Democrats around me now say that it’s Bush’s fault that Obama did not keep his campaign promises. You can not reason with these kind of people about anything anyways. So, you can google the subject to get a better idea. I’m just giving my opinion. Because, when I was young, the rebellious, gangy type, druggies, hippies, school drop-outs would never join the army because they don’t like to be told what to do.
    Served with alot of the best black people in the world. This post isn’t to be racist, just trying to explain something I thought was normal, about military votes mostly Republican.

    And the post I posted on the military wanting to stay over there that Obami wrote. You know if a soldier or two had said we should give up, he’d have painted that picture. The soldiers we have over there, the ones that come home, they don’t complain. They are a different elite breed of Americans. I just wish we they could fight the war without a hand tied behind their back.


    • Liberals Make Great Speedbumps says:


      I think you should change Democrat in your post to liberal and you would be closer to the truth. I served with many honest, patriotic guys who were Democrats.

  20. Lurkin_no_mo says:

    Hey, good comments from all of you. Thanks,LMGS, you’re right. I automatically assume a Dem is a liberal, making me a walking, talking contraditiion.
    I wonder if there is a web site somewhere that shows the demographics for our Soldiers and whether they are mostly registered dems or reps.
    Anyone out there smarter than me that could find this data?

  21. cmblake6 says:

    There are a few Dems I know in the military, not bloody many. If you like decent equipment, you vote R. If you like support from DC, you vote R. If you like to see pay raises, you vote R. If you are a lefty, and don’t care about the nation (or your oath) as a whole, you vote D, and then ETS. The left WANTS this nation to fail. What is wrong with them?!?! This is (or was) the greatest chance of success on the face of the Earth. All up to you, pass or fail, all up to you. Do so many think they’ll fail as to want a piece of what those who succeed will gain? “It’s not fair, waah.” Get off your ass and work for it. This is exactly why socialism doesn’t work. “Why bother? I’ll still get mine.” And then nothing gets done. Human nature.

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