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		<title>By: BillK</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/75-hs-students-cant-name-first-prez#comment-161754</link>
		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably more like this - which I personally find  &lt;b&gt;hilarious&lt;/b&gt;.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5VND1-u6YM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably more like this &#8211; which I personally find  <b>hilarious</b>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5VND1-u6YM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5VND1-u6YM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Petronius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petronius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro, you&#039;re at a serious disadvantage in comparison to Hercules.  

The disadvantage being that the Augean stables were at least empty of the animals who used to live there.  Whereas the stables that you are cleaning out are continually visited by new ones like Tad, who leave fresh deposits every day.

Lucky thing you&#039;ve got a big shovel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro, you&#8217;re at a serious disadvantage in comparison to Hercules.  </p>
<p>The disadvantage being that the Augean stables were at least empty of the animals who used to live there.  Whereas the stables that you are cleaning out are continually visited by new ones like Tad, who leave fresh deposits every day.</p>
<p>Lucky thing you&#8217;ve got a big shovel.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaliforniaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you guys, but the farther into education I got, the more teachers I was taught by who had liberal views and values.  I know that not all teachers are liberal, but I think a good percentage of them are.  That too could speak volumes about these results.  Of course, I have no facts concerning this, just assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you guys, but the farther into education I got, the more teachers I was taught by who had liberal views and values.  I know that not all teachers are liberal, but I think a good percentage of them are.  That too could speak volumes about these results.  Of course, I have no facts concerning this, just assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaliforniaBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We found the anniversary edition of School House Rock on DVD at Target.  We show it to our son all the time and he loves it.  I can&#039;t even imagine what these would be like if they were redone today.  Probably a video about how Columbus was a Native American killer and how our country was founded on death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We found the anniversary edition of School House Rock on DVD at Target.  We show it to our son all the time and he loves it.  I can&#8217;t even imagine what these would be like if they were redone today.  Probably a video about how Columbus was a Native American killer and how our country was founded on death.</p>
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		<title>By: BillK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civics class, nothing.

Ask most people born between 1965 and 1970 or so where they learned about Government, history and math and you&#039;ll get the unanimous answer:

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolhouse_Rock!&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ABC&#039;s Schoolhouse Rock&lt;/A&gt;.

Back when they cared more about education than indoctrination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQA5NDNkUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYmhlclqr4

the one that resulted in audible humming in most every test on the Constitution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNb9AoY5XXE

and the one that simply &lt;b&gt;horrifies&lt;/b&gt; educators and other PC-types today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twFs9Vk6F0A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civics class, nothing.</p>
<p>Ask most people born between 1965 and 1970 or so where they learned about Government, history and math and you&#8217;ll get the unanimous answer:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolhouse_Rock!" rel="nofollow">ABC&#8217;s Schoolhouse Rock</a>.</p>
<p>Back when they cared more about education than indoctrination.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQA5NDNkUM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQA5NDNkUM</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYmhlclqr4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYmhlclqr4</a></p>
<p>the one that resulted in audible humming in most every test on the Constitution:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNb9AoY5XXE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNb9AoY5XXE</a></p>
<p>and the one that simply <b>horrifies</b> educators and other PC-types today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twFs9Vk6F0A" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twFs9Vk6F0A</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(******crickets*******)</description>
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		<title>By: TwilightZoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwilightZoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said for y-e-a-r-s civics classes need to be reinstated.

Petronius, I couldn&#039;t agree more.

I also have no issue with private schools.  

Yes, the public schools have gone down hill.   

These are my own personal observations as to some of the reasons why:

1)  Students are not allowed to be ability grouped.  Why?  Too many minority students are 
     not in the higher academic groupings.
2)  The IQ to qualify for special education has been lowered, while expectations have gone
      up.  In most states the IQ has been lowered by 10 points since the mid 80&#039;s.  Instead of 79
     being borderline retarded, it&#039;s now 69.  So in all actuality inclusion of educable mentally 
     handicapped students has been going on for at least 25 years; they&#039;re just not considered
     ESE.  Those that could achieve more, don&#039;t because they have a teacher, who is under
     pressure, to lift those lower students and spends a disproportionate amount of time with
     them.  Why the lowering of IQ?  Too many minority students in ESE.
3)  More inclusion is underway.  Students with IQ&#039;s in the mid 40&#039;s, even lower are making their
     way threw general education classrooms under differentiated curriculum.
4)  An unintended consequence of lawsuits is zero liability for accountability. It&#039;s
     never a student&#039;s fault for misbehaving or lack of performing.  Nor is it the parents. The
     general philosophy is &quot;The kid screws up, punish the teacher.&quot;  How&#039;s that been working for
     everyone? (sarcasm)
5)  Crap curriculum.  Most teachers never have a say in what they think would be the best.  It&#039;s 
     the school board&#039;s bottom line ($) making that decision.   Also, when the most liberal states
     begin using garbage, i.e. California, New York, Wisconsin, etc. every other state seems to
     fall in line.  Even when it&#039;s proven NOT to work.  Which is how the indoctrination begins.
6)  Education is not a top priority with certain ethic groups.  You can lead a horse to water, but
     but you can&#039;t make it drink.
7)  Allowing college students to graduate in education who never should. 
8)  Allowing poor teachers to remain when they shouldn&#039;t.  It&#039;s not just the union&#039;s fault on this
     either.  Too many times it boils down to principals who are too lazy to document or 
     intimidated by being called...wait for it..a racist.  Not that all minority teachers are poor; I&#039;ve
     seen many who were excellent.  
9)  How about using a professor&#039;s judgment when the &quot;teacher&quot; can&#039;t pass
     the state exam after several attempts.  I witnessed one such occurrence.  This doesn&#039;t
     happen with anyone but minorities because...wait for it...you&#039;re a racist if they&#039;re turned
     down.

I could go on and on, but my head hurts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said for y-e-a-r-s civics classes need to be reinstated.</p>
<p>Petronius, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>I also have no issue with private schools.  </p>
<p>Yes, the public schools have gone down hill.   </p>
<p>These are my own personal observations as to some of the reasons why:</p>
<p>1)  Students are not allowed to be ability grouped.  Why?  Too many minority students are<br />
     not in the higher academic groupings.<br />
2)  The IQ to qualify for special education has been lowered, while expectations have gone<br />
      up.  In most states the IQ has been lowered by 10 points since the mid 80&#8242;s.  Instead of 79<br />
     being borderline retarded, it&#8217;s now 69.  So in all actuality inclusion of educable mentally<br />
     handicapped students has been going on for at least 25 years; they&#8217;re just not considered<br />
     ESE.  Those that could achieve more, don&#8217;t because they have a teacher, who is under<br />
     pressure, to lift those lower students and spends a disproportionate amount of time with<br />
     them.  Why the lowering of IQ?  Too many minority students in ESE.<br />
3)  More inclusion is underway.  Students with IQ&#8217;s in the mid 40&#8242;s, even lower are making their<br />
     way threw general education classrooms under differentiated curriculum.<br />
4)  An unintended consequence of lawsuits is zero liability for accountability. It&#8217;s<br />
     never a student&#8217;s fault for misbehaving or lack of performing.  Nor is it the parents. The<br />
     general philosophy is &#8220;The kid screws up, punish the teacher.&#8221;  How&#8217;s that been working for<br />
     everyone? (sarcasm)<br />
5)  Crap curriculum.  Most teachers never have a say in what they think would be the best.  It&#8217;s<br />
     the school board&#8217;s bottom line ($) making that decision.   Also, when the most liberal states<br />
     begin using garbage, i.e. California, New York, Wisconsin, etc. every other state seems to<br />
     fall in line.  Even when it&#8217;s proven NOT to work.  Which is how the indoctrination begins.<br />
6)  Education is not a top priority with certain ethic groups.  You can lead a horse to water, but<br />
     but you can&#8217;t make it drink.<br />
7)  Allowing college students to graduate in education who never should.<br />
8)  Allowing poor teachers to remain when they shouldn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s not just the union&#8217;s fault on this<br />
     either.  Too many times it boils down to principals who are too lazy to document or<br />
     intimidated by being called&#8230;wait for it..a racist.  Not that all minority teachers are poor; I&#8217;ve<br />
     seen many who were excellent.<br />
9)  How about using a professor&#8217;s judgment when the &#8220;teacher&#8221; can&#8217;t pass<br />
     the state exam after several attempts.  I witnessed one such occurrence.  This doesn&#8217;t<br />
     happen with anyone but minorities because&#8230;wait for it&#8230;you&#8217;re a racist if they&#8217;re turned<br />
     down.</p>
<p>I could go on and on, but my head hurts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this right, Tad.  It appears you are suggesting that public education in Oklahoma is worse than, oh let&#039;s pick some REALLY blue-state examples say, Washington DC or Detroit, and that it somehow demonstrates the superiority of Washington DC and Detroit to Oklahoma.  Do I have that right, or aren&#039;t you willing to be specific?

Not that I think public education is particularly good anywhere, but I&#039;d be curious to see any data you have to make that &quot;nebulous&quot; claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this right, Tad.  It appears you are suggesting that public education in Oklahoma is worse than, oh let&#8217;s pick some REALLY blue-state examples say, Washington DC or Detroit, and that it somehow demonstrates the superiority of Washington DC and Detroit to Oklahoma.  Do I have that right, or aren&#8217;t you willing to be specific?</p>
<p>Not that I think public education is particularly good anywhere, but I&#8217;d be curious to see any data you have to make that &#8220;nebulous&#8221; claim.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First President? Easy.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marshallhall.org/hanson.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Hansen&lt;/a&gt; elected unanimously by Congress in 1781.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First President? Easy.  <a href="http://www.marshallhall.org/hanson.html" rel="nofollow">John Hansen</a> elected unanimously by Congress in 1781.</p>
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		<title>By: TadCF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TadCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than putting a nebulous Democratic twist of this story, I  think it&#039;s most significant that the two states in the study were Red States, and it speaks volumes about the conservative voters in those states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than putting a nebulous Democratic twist of this story, I  think it&#8217;s most significant that the two states in the study were Red States, and it speaks volumes about the conservative voters in those states.</p>
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		<title>By: GL0120</title>
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		<dc:creator>GL0120</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, ooh, Mister Kott-tear; I found a mistake.

Who is in charge of the executive branch? The President 
The correct answer is George Soros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, ooh, Mister Kott-tear; I found a mistake.</p>
<p>Who is in charge of the executive branch? The President<br />
The correct answer is George Soros.</p>
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		<title>By: beautyofreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>beautyofreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In studies such as these I feel that small private schools - hell, most private schools - would probably fare better than public education. At least there is competition in the private sector. No wonder the Constitution doesn&#039;t seem to matter anymore. No wonder socialism is the undisclosed value of the Democratic party. So few people know the proper limitations of government, and only a quarter recognize the Constitution as the law.

I went to a private Catholic school nine years as a kid and it was pretty good.Then I went to a public high school and one of my first days in class was marked by two teen guys who started a fist fight at the front of the room, after the teacher had walked out. The janitor moped up the blood on the floor after the fight was over. There were several good teachers and programs in this school - and I later transferred to an excellent public alternative school for troubled kids (perhaps because anyone who bullied or fought would be summarily expelled) but I suspect most public education is inferior to what someone could obtain through private means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In studies such as these I feel that small private schools &#8211; hell, most private schools &#8211; would probably fare better than public education. At least there is competition in the private sector. No wonder the Constitution doesn&#8217;t seem to matter anymore. No wonder socialism is the undisclosed value of the Democratic party. So few people know the proper limitations of government, and only a quarter recognize the Constitution as the law.</p>
<p>I went to a private Catholic school nine years as a kid and it was pretty good.Then I went to a public high school and one of my first days in class was marked by two teen guys who started a fist fight at the front of the room, after the teacher had walked out. The janitor moped up the blood on the floor after the fight was over. There were several good teachers and programs in this school &#8211; and I later transferred to an excellent public alternative school for troubled kids (perhaps because anyone who bullied or fought would be summarily expelled) but I suspect most public education is inferior to what someone could obtain through private means.</p>
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		<title>By: Petronius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petronius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the enormous wealth that the American taxpayers have poured into their public schools, it has not removed ignorance.  Rather––as we see here––it has actually increased ignorance.  The result of teaching students to read has been to open their minds to leftist propaganda and indoctrination as much as to truth––and when it comes to the subjects of literature, history, politics, economics, and other social studies, it is the leftist propaganda and indoctrination that are clearly in the ascendancy.

Liberals, in their approach to education, adamantly reject any education in the time-honored traditions, heroes, history (i.e., the true, glorious, and uplifting history), hallowed beliefs, institutions, manners and principles of conduct that our children get from home, family, and church––all of those really important things that instill cohesion, pride, and loyalty in the social order.  Indeed, these things are treated as errors and prejudices, which it is the duty of the public schools to ferret out and eradicate.

Thus we see that every modern dictator of every two-bit country will have a program to establish public schools and universal education.  

The universities of the Americas, Europe, India, and the Arab world have bred more communists and terrorists than all of the slums, sweat-shops, back alleys, hovels, and impoverished rural villages of the entire world.

It is time to abolish the public school system and replace it once and for all with private schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the enormous wealth that the American taxpayers have poured into their public schools, it has not removed ignorance.  Rather––as we see here––it has actually increased ignorance.  The result of teaching students to read has been to open their minds to leftist propaganda and indoctrination as much as to truth––and when it comes to the subjects of literature, history, politics, economics, and other social studies, it is the leftist propaganda and indoctrination that are clearly in the ascendancy.</p>
<p>Liberals, in their approach to education, adamantly reject any education in the time-honored traditions, heroes, history (i.e., the true, glorious, and uplifting history), hallowed beliefs, institutions, manners and principles of conduct that our children get from home, family, and church––all of those really important things that instill cohesion, pride, and loyalty in the social order.  Indeed, these things are treated as errors and prejudices, which it is the duty of the public schools to ferret out and eradicate.</p>
<p>Thus we see that every modern dictator of every two-bit country will have a program to establish public schools and universal education.  </p>
<p>The universities of the Americas, Europe, India, and the Arab world have bred more communists and terrorists than all of the slums, sweat-shops, back alleys, hovels, and impoverished rural villages of the entire world.</p>
<p>It is time to abolish the public school system and replace it once and for all with private schools.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also deliberate.

Educated people are people who will fight for their freeedom.

I&#039;m not saying that every or any teacher sets out to keep students in the dark about American history.

But that is CERTAINLY what Bill Ayers has advocated his entire life.  For him, the purpose of school is political indoctrination.

And he and his like-minded intellectual terrorists have had their way with huge swaths of the American educational system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also deliberate.</p>
<p>Educated people are people who will fight for their freeedom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that every or any teacher sets out to keep students in the dark about American history.</p>
<p>But that is CERTAINLY what Bill Ayers has advocated his entire life.  For him, the purpose of school is political indoctrination.</p>
<p>And he and his like-minded intellectual terrorists have had their way with huge swaths of the American educational system.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the money spent (hand over fist) isn&#039;t quite enough. Mo&#039; money will be needed to head this off.
(sarc off)

Anymore ..... school is a gangland breeding ground and a babysitting service.
Shame the government has tied the hands of our educators teaching homosexuality, socialism, hate and discontent, Mary has two mommies and Donnie has two daddies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the money spent (hand over fist) isn&#8217;t quite enough. Mo&#8217; money will be needed to head this off.<br />
(sarc off)</p>
<p>Anymore &#8230;.. school is a gangland breeding ground and a babysitting service.<br />
Shame the government has tied the hands of our educators teaching homosexuality, socialism, hate and discontent, Mary has two mommies and Donnie has two daddies!</p>
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