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‘9/11 Mastermind’ Will Be Tried In NYC

From a joyous New York Times:

Key 9/11 Suspect to Be Tried in New York

By CHARLIE SAVAGE

November 14, 2009

WASHINGTON — Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, and four other men accused in the plot will be prosecuted in federal court in New York City, a federal law enforcement official said early on Friday.

But the administration will prosecute Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri — the detainee accused of planning the 2000 bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen — and several other detainees before a military commission, the official said.

The decisions to give civilian prosecutors detainees accused of the 2001 terrorist attacks and keep the case of the Cole attack within the military system are expected to be announced at the Department of Justice later on Friday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr…

The decisions about how to prosecute Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Nashiri have been particularly difficult because their defense lawyers are expected to argue that they were illegally tortured by the Central Intelligence Agency during their confinement, tainting any evidence gathered from their interrogations.

Documents have shown that the CIA used waterboarding — a controlled drowning technique — against Mr. Mohammed 183 times in March 2003. Mr. Nashiri is one of two other detainees known to have been waterboarded before the Bush administration shut down the program, which high-level officials had approved after the Justice Department wrote legal memorandums arguing that the president, as commander-in-chief, could authorize interrogators to bypass anti-torture laws.

In other cases in which the administration has discussed transferring detainees, local communities have risen up through political leaders to say they did not want the prisoners because their towns could become a target for terrorism.

New York City has been different…

Isn’t it odd?

At this very moment we’re being told that Mr. Hasan can’t get a fair military trial in the Ft. Hood area because there would be just too much prejudice.

And yet New York City is seen as a suitable venue for trying a man who is accused of masterminding the death of 3,000 New Yorkers.

Notice too how the New York Times does not even deign to explicitly mention that Mr. Mohammed and his four accomplices are going to enjoy a civilian trial.

The Times merely notes that they will be tried in “federal court” before they quickly move on to stress that the Cole detainees will be tried before a “military commission.”

Perhaps they are hoping no one will notice.

Still, remember how Harry Reid assured us back in May of 2009 that terrorists would never be held in this country?

Mr. Reid said:

[P]art of what we don’t want is them be put in prisons in the United States. We don’t want them around the United States.

And speaking of lies, isn’t it amazing the amount of mendacity the New York Times can fit into just one paragraph?

Documents have shown that the CIA used waterboarding — a controlled drowning technique — against Mr. Mohammed 183 times in March 2003. Mr. Nashiri is one of two other detainees known to have been waterboarded before the Bush administration shut down the program, which high-level officials had approved after the Justice Department wrote legal memorandums arguing that the president, as commander-in-chief, could authorize interrogators to bypass anti-torture laws.

As we have noted often before, these so-called ‘documents’ are ambiguous at best. And Mr. Mohammed himself has claimed to have been water-boarded a total of five times.

Moreover, not only would it have been preposterous to have waterboarded Mr. Mohammed at least six times a day for a solid month, it would serve as definitive proof that waterboarding is a) not dangerous and, b) ineffective.

As for the legal memorandums, it is simply a bold faced lie to claim they argued that the President could authorize by-passing anti-torture laws. The memos rightly claimed that waterboarding was not torture under any accepted legal definition of the term.

But the New York Times will say anything to protect their terrorist heroes.

Indeed, we expect to see them hawking ‘Free MSM’ t-shirts any day now.

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, November 13th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

27 Responses to “‘9/11 Mastermind’ Will Be Tried In NYC”

  1. retire05 says:

    This makes me sick to my stomach.

    No words can express the hatred building in me for this administration.

  2. Liberals Demise says:

    New York doesn’t have the Death Penalty, does it?

    I am suspicious of this move by Barry da Bungler. What’s next? Room service for terrorist, cable TV, conjugal visit by barnyard animals?

    Perhaps a Broadway Show as the Houseboys guest.

  3. proreason says:

    Are 183 drips a rainstorm?

    According to the NY Slimes, yes.

  4. TheChicagoWay says:

    Anyone wanna bet me that Patrick Fitzgerald will NOT be the lead prosecutor on this? Payback to the Chicago cronies…..

    “New York doesn’t have the Death Penalty, does it?” – This is a federal trial…..Feds DO have the death penalty, but they will probably give that away in early going. Just like OJ…Probably will have the same verdict, too….

    Have you seen the picture of KSM at Gitmo? It’s contained in the following article at fox news….

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/13/self-proclaimed-sept-mastermind-face-trial-ny/

    The flowing robes, the beard….striking….

    Tell me…How come this guy is not dry-shaved every day? Is it due to “religious beliefs?” If so, when will we stop recognizing this brutal and death worshipping strain of Islam as a religion?

    • Petronius says:

      Sen. Joe Lieberman (in the original version of the Fox article) talks sense:

      “The terrorists who planned, participated in and aided the September 11, 2001, attacks are war criminals, not common criminals. Not only are these individuals not common criminals but war criminals, they are also not American citizens entitled to all the constitutional rights American citizens have in our federal courts.”

  5. retire05 says:

    Let’s not pretend this is anything other than what it is: the Obama’s administrations indictment of the Bush administration and Obama’s refusal to consider terrorists anything other than “those who commit man-made disasters”.

    • Right of the People says:

      Oblah-blah and his entire administration are a man-made disaster.

    • Petronius says:

      Just so, retire05.

      There is no legal requirement for this step. It is a political stunt.

      Holder’s decision is calculated to afford an opportunity to defense attorneys (ACLU, et al.) to use Federal court procedures for political revenge.

      Defense attorneys will seek to compel public release of secret information about al Qaeda obtained during interrogations of the defendants. And to publicize information about US interrogation techniques, with a view to dismissal of the charges for reason of evidence tainted by “torture.” All done with the view to embarrass Bush, the CIA, and the United States.

      Never mind the risk of compromising national security.

      Never mind that these five monsters may be set free in New York City when their “forced” confessions are thrown out as evidence.

      What a disgrace. More than a disgrace, it is tantamount to treason.

    • retire05 says:

      Petronius, tell me, who is going to want to sit on that jury when we know that a radical Muslim can walk into a secure military base and take out 14 Americans? Do you? Do you want to sit on a jury for months and months, knowing that KSM will have lawyers like the bitch Lynn Stewart, who will be more than willing to adivse CAIR (which should be KAIR – Killing American Infidels Regularly) the names of the jurors? Do you think the judge in this trial will ever be able to draw a relaxed breath? Or do we provide security for the judge and jurors, and their families, for the rest of their lives?

      This is going to be a media circus and a well-spring for books written by the defense attorneys. And it is going to drag out for years, not months, while the families of 9-11 victims sit through jury selection, discovery and the trial that will probably not even take place for five+ years. Those families are going to be forced to relive that tragic day, over and over and over. There will be no escaping it for them. Eight years later, as they have tried to rebuild their lives, they are now going to be drug over the coals once again, all for the political agenda of Barack Hussein Obama.

      Our Constituion guarantees us a trial by jury, a jury of our peers. What does that mean? How will we select a jury of KSM’s peers? By picking only Muslim jurors? He is not an American and has no American peers except for the sleeper jihadists like Nidal Hasan.

      KSM tried to plead guilty at Gitmo. The plea was denied. Why? Why not give him what he wants and send him to Hell with the rest of his radical friends?

      Can there be any doubt that Obama doesn’t have any respect for the victims of 9-11 and their families? Can there be any doubt, that a man who can only seem to give a crotch salute (again) when the National Anthem plays, has any respect for the nation he was elected to lead (Pam Geller at AtlasShrugs has the photo taken this past Veteran’s Day)?

      Call your Senator and Congressman. Demand that this travesty be stopped. Let your voice be heard. I have already called mine (Mike McCaul and John Cornyn) and demanded that the citizens of America not be subjected to this. Obama, IMHO, is now guilty of committing mental torture on Americans.

    • Petronius says:

      Yes, retire05, this move by Tigellinus-Holder is obscene on many levels.

      And no, I would not wish to be on that jury. Being a juror in one of these cases would be the equivalent of a death sentence –– not only for the juror, but also for his family members –– once your name becomes known (which is inevitable).

      Imagine sitting in the jury box and looking across the bar into the gallery, a gallery filled with sullen Muslims. Many in black hijab and burqa. With only their eyes showing through the narrow slits. And those eyes study your features. And the clever fingers draw your likeness on their sketch pads. . . . pausing only to murmur softly, “Allahu Akbar,” whenever the defense insults the memory of the 3,000 dead.

      But take comfort. For happily it is possible that these cases will never go to the jury. The cases may be summarily dismissed by the judge on defense motions, for any number of reasons. For example, dismissed for failure to Mirandize the defendant, for denial of his constitutional right to have an attorney present during his interrogation, for denial of his constitutional right to a speedy trial, for denial of his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, for lack of police testimony about the circumstances of his arrest, for use of torture and insufficient evidence due to the exclusionary fruit-of-the-poisonous-tree rule, etc.

      Oh yes, the defense attorneys will have a field day. Count on it.

      Imagine also the security precautions that are going to be required to lock down southern Manhattan.

      I was present when they tried Zacarias Moussaoui in the U.S. district court for the Eastern District of Virginia (Alexandria). They closed off the perimeter to all vehicle traffic and saturated the neighborhood of the courthouse with heavily armed guards, checkpoints, guard huts, concrete Jersey barriers, tire shredders, motorcycle cops, and mobile troops in black SUVs. Each time the prisoner was delivered from the Alexandria jail to the courthouse, and returned, it was under a heavy escort of black SUVs, and streets in Alexandria along the route were closed off by motorcycle cops and barriers.

      Imagine doing all that in downtown Manhattan. Every day. For months on end.

      Which raises another interesting question –– if it has to be a trial in a civilian court, why the Federal district court in New York? Why not the Federal district court in Alexandria? After all, the Pentagon was also attacked. And the Alexandria court has experience with security, and military forces are located at nearby bases.

      Notice also that Tigellinus-Holder withheld this announcement until Nerobama was gone on his Asia tour. How convenient. Announcement delayed no doubt so that Nerobama might distance himself politically from the decision.

      Creep.

      The people who voted this creep into office should be taken out behind the barn and horse-whipped.

  6. pdsand says:

    “The decisions about how to prosecute Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Nashiri have been particularly difficult because their defense lawyers are expected to argue that they were illegally tortured by the Central Intelligence Agency during their confinement, tainting any evidence gathered from their interrogations.

    Documents have shown that the CIA used waterboarding — a controlled drowning technique — against Mr. Mohammed 183 times in March 2003. Mr. Nashiri is one of two other detainees known to have been waterboarded before the Bush administration shut down the program, which high-level officials had approved after the Justice Department wrote legal memorandums arguing that the president, as commander-in-chief, could authorize interrogators to bypass anti-torture laws.”

    Is it just me or is the NYT saying that the lawyers for this scum will try and argue that they have been tortured, and then in the next paragraph lending the credibility of the NYT to bolster this argument with “facts”? And by the way, this is the NEW YORK times, and the trials will be held in new york. But that’s not at all an attempt to taint the jury pool. It’s just the facts, jack. All the news that’s fit to print…

  7. ptat says:

    C’mon, guys, everyone deserves a fair trial, right? Just because he pled guilty to,and is guilty of, murdering over 3,000 people and has asked to be killed so he could be a martyr doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have a fair trial. You know, he may have had a rough childhood, he’s not really evil deep inside. Like the president said “Let’s not jump to conclusions.” A fair and just trial will enable him to tie up the courts for years, then appeal for years–all costing us taxpayers, at minimum, the equivalent of a Harvard education(PHD).Got to be fair. After all, as the president believes, we kind of deserved 9/11, ya’ know?

  8. Chuckk says:

    Everybody put on your clown shoes and get down to the court house. The circus is coming to town.

  9. rakkasan says:

    Damn it. And, I am not surprised. They all should have been hung within a year of capture. 9/10 point of view, this is.

    Never forget.

    I won’t.

  10. wirenut says:

    I cannot express my anger or my revulsion to this moral outrage. The lack of leadership on this matter is beyond words.
    I have paced my yard, my street, and damn near the county. It didn’t help to calm me down. I’m only now able to write.
    9/11/01, a picture perfect day! Then the killing of innocents began. As a far off witness to the slaying, I could only hope
    that most would “somehow” get out. Well they didn’t, nor did their rescuers. It’s time for this scum to pay the fiddler.
    Not here on our soil, not here at all, but some Godforsaken pitiful place where they will be forgotten. 2976 cuts of
    death on each one, if memory serves correct. NOT HERE! They have no right to be on this sacred ground.

  11. proreason says:

    Krauthammer says it all.

    “This will be a trial that the Terrosists will conduct against us”

    “This is the second half of the Terror attack”

    http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-giving-ksm-the-rights-of-an-american-citizen-is-unconscionable/

    “It is unconscionable”

  12. crosspatch says:

    If the trial is closed (due to possible classified information) then it is less of a problem. There would be less of a “media circus”. It should be a closed trial (they CAN do that) with the trial dates and location also kept secret and only the verdict announced after the fact.

    Otherwise, this is Obama enabling the continuation of the 9/11 attack to “bomb” our intelligence community and legal system.

    All in all, I am absolutely outraged with this despicable, incompetent “administration”.

  13. wirenut says:

    This Nation has been on trial from the beginning of this administrations swearing in. I was sick of it then and I’m Damn
    sore over it now. This has one purpose and one purpose only. To fulfill and finish the apology tour of our great impostor.
    The damage to our intelligence and military services will take decades to repair. For what? A proven dead ideology that has failed everwhere its been tried. There’s no forgiving that.

  14. sheehanjihad says:

    This is what you get for taking prisoners….or keeping prisoners once information has been removed. I wonder if an American would have been afforded the same rights as these peaceful and misunderstood freedom fighters have gotten from this government. That’s what I thought.

  15. ptat says:

    I just wish they would let us civilians stay at Gitmo. I want to grow my beard, catch up on my reading and get in shape like Kalid!

  16. Looking forward to a new “Trial of the Century?”

    At CNN,NBC,CBS,Fox & ABC new careers will be made. New Greta’s will be born. (Obama care take me out now!),

    Thousands on NY $750.00 an hour slim bags will be feeding off this case for years. You and I will be picking up the tab.

    If a female is in the prosecutor team we will hear about her hair, her dates, her porn on the internet and she will soon be on a reality show.

    Heaven help any prosecutor who served in one of the gulf wars. He will be dismissed and arrested.

    The jury of his peers will certainly mean Muslims on the jury: probably all Muslims of the same sect. Christians and Jews will be immediately disqualified.

    Of course there will be jury intimidation. Any convicting juror will have to go through life worrying about an avenging dagger in the back.

    On the other hand each juror will be shopping a book deal.

    The judge will be angling for his own show.

    The CIA and the Bush administration will be the ones really on trial here. I expect Bush to get 10-20 years. Cheney will get the death penalty. Rove will get life. The CIA will get community service bathing Muslim feet before prayer.

    KSM will be found not guilty. He will sue and win $100,000,000 for his abuse and torture. He will buy a co-op in NY and be a star on the liberal party circuit.

    Eventually he will buy “Gitmo”. Obama will return it to Castro. Castro and KSM will turn it into a sort of Muslim Disney Land where Muslims can go to celebrate the death of the Great Satan. They will have a great ride where each Muslim can experience flying a 757 into their choice of towers, blowing a hole in the side of US warship, attacking the Pentagon, slicing off a journalist head, the Hood Shooting Gallery, dragging dead soldiers through Mogadishu, deflowering virgins and drunken pre-suicide escapades with liquor, women and gambling.

    There will be the 2’X4′ cell with cut glass on the floor and walls where KSM was tortured for months by the CIA without revealing a single secret. There will be reenactments of his torture with electrodes and Barry Manilow music. Then go to the KSM water park with every water park ride you ever imagines.

    It will be an attraction for the whole family, CIA officers will be there to operate rides and help you wash for prayers. Make your reservations today. Each flight on Air KSM flight will have a complimentary “hijacking” so the fun and frivolity begins before you ever get off the plane.

  17. canary says:

    Would not NY be able to file their own criminal charges and hold a separate trial, as innocent civilians were attacked and killed.

  18. canary says:

    Obama’s campaign beliefs on the death penality:

    “While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes – mass murder, the rape and murder of a child – so heinous, so beyond pale,
    that the community is
    justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage
    by meting out the ultimate punishment.”

    Barack Obama: the audacity of hope 59-60 values from Obama’s campaign book.”

    New York can bring their own charges against the individuals, just as the state of Oklahoma could have filed their own state charges and tried the terrorists after the 10th district federal court if they felt the punishment or outcome wasn’t enough. If the WTC was not a federal building, than I’d say New York has more authority than the Federal Government.

    Oklahoma was not happy with federal government verdict on Terry Nichols and wanted death penalty as McVeigh recieved.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-46687144.html

    McVeighs motion he would not get fair trial moved to 10th district
    http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur16.htm

    The below is interesting on Bill Clinton trying to get the Anti-Terrorist Act prior to the OKC incident. McVeigh testified the Arkansas Federal building was their first choice. Inspite of witnesses and to this day hidden documents,
    President Bill Clinton immediately called it a homegrown terrorist job, and so this caused a backlash to the bill, as the context of he & Biden pushing it, was to go after Republicans and Libertarians.

    So, pretty amazing for the Democrats to make such a fuss when Bush only enacted former Bill Clinton’s law fo wire-tapping, etc. to fight the muslim terrorists declaration of war on the U.S. Sept 11, 2001. Never to be forgotten.
    This would also show that Obama very well can declare the muslim terrorist attack on Ft. Hood what it is. Obama could call it another act of war against the U.S. But, let’s not rush to judgement as Obama did on the tiny Cambridge incident, that led to Obama’s Beer Summit.

    The 1996 Anti-Terrorist Act

    S. 390 was introduced February 10, 1995 by Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, and Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania. H.R. 896 was introduced the same day in the House by Rep. Charles Schumer, D-New York, and Rep. Dicks.

    Presidential powers expanded.
    The President can label organizations — without any appeal or review — as “terrorist”, and criminalize fundraising for humanitarian aid even remotely related to such groups.

    Under Clinton’s proposal, the FBI would have the power to examine financial, travel, and telephone records, conduct wiretapping, and infiltrate “suspect” groups. Clinton said such powers were needed to protect “our way of life.”

    http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/legal/police/terror95.html

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      That’s all well and good….but the whole liberal agenda is to see “justice” in a whole different way.

      If you’ll note that Barry’s statement indicated that “the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage

      An emotional argument. From the beginning, although tempers have flared and pundits have exclaimed outrage over this or that, the very foundation of our system of laws is to remove the emotion and exploit fair punishment. Agreed, it’s often a sticking point. But his statement clearly demonstrates that like all liberals, the law is to be interpreted emotionally. That makes it relativistic and valueless.

      I won’t go on about appealing to the sympathy of the court….that’s a whole week of discussion.

      As for the Clinton experiment, they simply did their best to “outlaw” terrorism. In a typically intellectually superior way, they sat around and said, “Hey, how can we ever catch these guys and punish them if there aren’t any laws specifically against what they do?”. So they “examined it” the way those types of people examine the need for “hate crime” legislation. Again, relativistic and based largely on emotion. This is why an all-white Catholic church burning down in Wisconsin is a “mysterious fire” but an all-black Baptist church burning down in Alabama is a “suspected hate-crime” and comes with its own level of punishment and rules for the courtroom.

      Of course, it’s absurd. Without any specific legislation all crimes are covered under SOME existing statute, law or ordnance. The newsmedia quickly wiped away the term “designer laws” in just about the same week as they appeared in the 80’s I believe.

      Perhaps it gives them satisfaction for their own existence or perhaps it makes them feel that much more powerful but lawyers-cum-legislators seem to fall victim to that old axiom, “When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s difficult to remember that your original plan was to drain the swamp”.

      So they get fixated on procedure and due process while they forget the alligators are plotting, scheming and trying new things. They feel helpless because they don’t have any “designer laws” they can fall back on should they catch any of them. And they find it especially frustrating that they can’t hold them accountable because, in their narrow view, terrorists haven’t broken any of our laws. There are no laws that specifically outlaw flying a plane into a building so therefore there’s no way to process that in the courts and thus, no suitable punishment. Not the way they see it.

      It’s a totally stupid approach. They, of course think it’s the perfect approach. Come up with laws that they violate and then you have something to work with.

      Conservatives find all that relativism unnecessary. That’s why Bush put them in Gitmo. Armed conflict, terrorists, undeclared war, whatever. They are bad people. They will get their day but it’s just as satisfactory to let them rot in a holding center until hell freezes over. Bleeding hearts thought this inappropriate and cruel. And thus I have arrived at the emotional disconnect of the garden variety liberal.

      I remember a show where I ain’t Fond ‘a Jane was in her house in Colorado and heard a noise downstairs one night. Just like the idiot in every bad scary movie, she goes down to investigate and there’s a bear in her kitchen. Somehow sensing some uber-mental connection with the animal, she said she “told it to get out in an authoritative voice” and it did. That one event probably reinforced in her that it’s ok to treat the bad guys nicely. I would have been far more satisfied to read that “Jane Fonda Mauled By Grizzly In Home”. Because that is the far likelier outcome.

      My point is that the liberal disconnects the thing the bad people did…because they are “after all, people…with feelings and so forth. So they must be treated to hot chocolate and read bedtime stories. And they mustn’t be “punished” but rehabilitated and returned to live stable, productive lives. And by showing them the warm, fuzzy side of life and that we aren’t “out to get them” they will then drop their violent ways and calm down.

      These are the kinds of people who suffer from abusive relationships—repeatedly. These are the people who get mugged and then drop the charges when they hear the perpetrator’s sob story in court. These people frustrate cops no end.

      Oddly, though, they have no problem killing fishermen, hunters, vandalizing furriers, etc. And the name-calling.

      As has been said so many times…liberalism is a disease.

  19. canary says:

    My point it the irony in his statement was joke to hide the true Obama who is the sofest on terrorists than anyother U.S. President in history. The irony of the statement is Obama’s life-time, on-going of choosing bad boy complex.
    The irony is that only Obama and liberals can display emotional outrage while conservatives have to watch their p’s & q’s.
    Obama’s comment of the possible need of a shotgun, when his girls starts dating, is okay, but people that hold on to their bibles and guns are ignorant in his eyes.
    If Obama had experienced any loss in his life, familly or friends, such as in 9/11 or Ft. Hood at terrorist hands, then maybe he’d not be spending more time pacifying and comforting these terrorists, while prosecuting those that did their best to make this country safer.

    Good grief, Obama’s renaming terrorists “man-made disastors” and calling conservatives and Republicans dangerous? It will only get worse.

    If Obama believes severe punishment ‘does not deter crime’, than he is crazy. He is setting a precedence, that will only increase crime and terrorist acts. America can’t afford these trials and luxeries for terrorists of war.

    Obama doesn’t want to spend money on war, but he will spend a fortune to defend those that kill Americans. If Hasan doesn’t get the death penality, he’ll have 24/7 medical assistance, high-tech medical help, while our paralylzed soldiers from wars to the present struggle.


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