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Abu Ghraib Prisoners Want US Guards Back

From the UK's Telegraph:

Tortured screams ring out as Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib

By Ali Saber in Baghdad and Gethin Chamberlain
10/09/2006

The notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad is at the centre of fresh abuse allegations just a week after it was handed over to Iraqi authorities, with claims that inmates are being tortured by their new captors.

Staff at the jail say the Iraqi authorities have moved dozens of terrorist suspects into Abu Ghraib from the controversial Interior Ministry detention centre in Jadriyah, where United States troops last year discovered 169 prisoners who had been tortured and starved.

An independent witness who went into Abu Ghraib this week told The Sunday Telegraph that screams were coming from the cell blocks housing the terrorist suspects. Prisoners released from the jail this week spoke of routine torture of terrorism suspects and on Wednesday, 27 prisoners were hanged in the first mass execution since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime.

Conditions in the rest of the jail were grim, with an overwhelming stench of excrement, prisoners crammed into cells for all but 20 minutes a day, food rations cut to just rice and water and no air conditioning.

Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards.

“The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better,” said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.

Abu Ghraib became synonymous with abuse after shocking pictures were published in 2004 showing prisoners being tortured and humiliated, galvanising opposition to the US presence in Iraq.

The witness gained access to the prison just days after the Americans formally handed over control to the Iraqi authorities on Sept 1.

Inside the 100-yard long cell block the smell of excrement was overpowering. Four to six prisoners shared each of the 12ft by 15ft cells along either side and the walls were smeared with filth. The cell block was patrolled by guards who carried long batons and shouted angrily at the prisoners to stand up.

Access to the part of the prison containing terrorism suspects was denied, but from that block came the sound of screaming. The screaming continued for a long time.

“I am sure someone was being beaten, they were screaming like they were being hit,” the witness reported. “I felt scared, I was asking what was happening in the terrorist section.

“I heard shouting, like someone had a hot iron on their body, screams. The officer said they were just screaming by themselves. I was hearing the screams throughout the visit.”

The witness said that even in the thieves’ section prisoners were being treated badly. “ Someone was shouting ‘Please help us, we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back ’,” he said.

Prisoners interviewed in the presence of their jailers said they were frightened for their safety. They complained that chicken and milk had been cut from their rations, leaving them on rice and water. They also complained about the oppressive heat.

Outside the prison, relatives of some of the inmates said they were being tortured by their captors. One woman, who gave her name as Omsaad, said: “My son Saad [who was arrested in Fallujah as a suspected insurgent] said he is being tortured by the Iraqis to confess the name of his leader. I met my son and he told me they were being treated badly by the Iraqis.”

Haleem Aleulami, who was released from the jail last week, three weeks after being arrested in Ramadi for carrying a pistol in his car, said the Americans had treated him better when they ran the jail. He claimed that visits from the International Red Cross staff had dried up and accused local human rights workers of being members of Shia groups who turned a blind eye to problems in the jail.

“The people are Iraqis and they are members of the Sciri and al Dawa parties. They have a good relationship with the leaders of the jail and they keep quiet,” he said. The guards swore at the ordinary prisoners, he said, but those in the terrorist section were treated more brutally.

“The guards were swearing at us, but in the terrorist section they were beating them. I heard it all the time. Everyone knows what is happening.”

And Khalid Alaani, who was also picked up in Ramadi suspected of involvement in Sunni terrorism, said: “ We preferred the Americans. We asked to move with them to Baghdad airport because we knew the treatment would be changed because we know what the Iraqis are. When the Americans left everything changed.”

Staff at the jail said that the prisoners were allowed out from their cells for only 15 to 20 minutes a day because of the danger from the regular mortar attacks. They are no longer allowed access to the main hall where the Americans had allowed them to watch television and the room is now reserved for the use of officers and guards. Staff explained that the air conditioning in the cell blocks had broken, although it was working in their quarters.

One officer, Capt Ali Abdelzaher, said: “We have a problem with the financing for the food, not like the Americans, and there is a technical problem with the air conditioning.” …

Yesterday, the International Red Cross confirmed that its visits to the prison had been suspended since January 2005 on security grounds.

Note that several of the prisoners talk about "the Iraqis," almost as if they might be from another country. Which of course they often are.

And I especially liked this:

Abu Ghraib became synonymous with abuse after shocking pictures were published in 2004 showing prisoners being tortured and humiliated, galvanising opposition to the US presence in Iraq.

Yes, thanks to our one party media, it has.

Behold this from the Seattle Times:

New world requires new vocabulary

Sunday, September 10, 2006
By George Latanzio

Some of the words and phrases are new, and some old ones have taken on new meaning after the events of Sept. 11, 2001. They remind us how the world has shifted:

Abu Ghraib: The prison noted for mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. forces.

Air marshal: Plainclothes law-enforcement officers on airplanes.

Al- Jazeera: An Arabic network headquartered in Qatar…

Never mind that for decades Saddam Hussein had tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people in Abu Ghraib.

From Wikipedia:

U.S. Army military police Maj. Gary Link grasps the hangman’s lever while showing the gallows used during Saddam’s regime at the Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq Thursday, June 24, 2004

Abu Ghraib prison - Under Saddam Hussein

Under the government of Saddam Hussein the facility was under the control of the Directorate of General Security (Al-Amn al-Amm) and was the site of the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners— up to 4,000 prisoners are thought to have been executed there in 1984 alone. During the 1990s human rights organization Amnesty International documented repeated events where as many as several hundred inmates were executed in a single episode. These included hundreds executed in November 1996, and several hundred members of the Shi’a denomination killed in 1998 and 2001. Amnesty reported that it could not produce a complete picture of events at the prison due to government secrecy. It was also the reputed location of Saddam Hussein’s alleged woodchipper…

In 2001 the prison is thought to have held as many as 15,000 inmates. Hundreds of Shi’a Kurds and Iraqi citizens of Iranian ethnicity had reportedly been held there incommunicado and without charges since the beginning of the Iran-Iraq War. Guards fed shredded plastic to prisoners. There are allegations that some of these detainees were subjected to experiments as part of Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons program…

Known mass-graves related to Abu Ghraib

In the area of Khan Dhari, west of Baghdad

Mass grave with the bodies of political prisoners from Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. 15 victims were executed on 26 December, 1998 and buried by prison authorities under the cover of darkness.

Al-Zahedi, on the western outskirts of Baghdad

Secret graves near a civilian cemetery with the bodies of almost 1000 political prisoners. According to an eye witness, ten to 15 bodies arrived at a time from the Abu Ghraib prison and were buried by local civilians. An execution on 10 December 1999 in Abu Ghrain claimed the lives of 101 people at one day. On 9 March, 2000, 58 prisoners were killed at a time. The last corpse interred was number 993…

And never mind that even the new Iraqi government is hanging and torturing prisoners there now. (In fact you won't even find this  Telegraph article in a Google news search or on any of the main wire service feeds.)

Abu Ghraib became a watchword for "torture" because of the activities of a handful of idiots during a space of a few hours.

But because it fuels hatred of America that becomes Abu Ghraib’s defining event.

(Thanks to all who sent me this, and who posted about it in the comments. I had actually posted last night, but due to a slip of the fingers it got posted as "private" so that only I could see it.)

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41 Responses to “Abu Ghraib Prisoners Want US Guards Back”

  1. 1sttofight

    DB never messed up like that. ;)

  2. SG

    Actually, he did — at least three or four times.

    He just never admitted it.

    (It really is a weird thing, since I see the post and would never notice anything wrong, except when it doesn’t get any comments after a while.)

  3. 1sttofight

    The Iraqis must be using the snags used panties. That would sure as hell be considered torture.

    Excuse my while I go and puke my guts out.

  4. sheehanjihad

    to the dems and libs….be careful what you wish for asshats! They are fully responsible for the torture and murder going on in abu garib now. that England chick should be freed immediately, dumb as it was, it isnt squat compared to real torture. I bet the prisoners are all wishing they were wearing her panties instead of having their hands stuck in a blender!

    We should have the current batch of prisoners testify on capitol hill so our vaunted congress can finally understand what torture is. I do hope the snag gets this article, so she can see what her protests have gotten her terrorists. She called for Americans to stop…and they did! Now, real torturers, professional torturers have taken over. and the real torture is ongoing….all because of our stupid moron liberal asswipes screeching over something they know nothing about.

    Good job libs! Grerat going dems! costing people their lives is your stock in trade, and you wont stop until it is our lives that are being lost due to your lack of understanding who and what our enemy is. You drooling screws are going to realize that you have to fight to win. This isnt an election, this is fighting for your lives, for what that is worth.

  5. Warmonger Infidel

    SJ…..very seldom do I disagree with anything you say. But…..that England “CHICK”? Yukko man……she ain’t no chck. She’s about as butt fugly as they come. And she is still torturing. Can you imagine having to wake up in prison every day and seeing that looking back at you?

  6. navycopjoe

    Come on infidel, SJ was a sailor. Ever been to a navy exchange and seen the wives? BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

  7. 1sttofight

    Marines have always had better looking wives. could be because of our natural charm. or because we were better in bed.;)

  8. doingwhatican

    Extreme torture, food rations cut to rice and water, no air conditioning. No wonder they want the Americans back.

    With the libs screaming, bitching and demanding the closure of Gitmo, perhaps it’s time to move those prisoners to Abu Ghraib.

  9. wampaku40

    My female sources tell me it was the uniforms, 1st. Best dress uniforms, (and usually fitter guys inside.)

    Course, we all know what M A R I N E S stands for…..

    M - Muscles
    A - Are
    R - Required
    I - Intelligence
    N - Not
    E - Expected

    Which I say tongue in cheek cuz my brother-in-law is very smart, and I am amazed at what these young LCpls do every day.

  10. navycopjoe

    Crap, we had In the Navy by the Village People. Goddamn them!!! I have to say though, the Navy’s choker whites when worn by a Chief look the best by far.

  11. sheehanjihad

    That England “tugly” then….and yes, she was and is a man in all respects! But, she didnt torture anyone, unless those panties had gone through five or six watches without laundering. I agree, she be uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! but….there is always the snag’s drawers….that is a WMD in and of itself.

  12. sheehanjihad

    And speaking of women in the exchange….the uniforms werent the only things that were blue….

  13. sheehanjihad

    nah

  14. fluffy

    Nice edit, sj ;]

  15. NotStuckOnStupid

    “… that England chick should be freed immediately, dumb as it was, it isnt squat compared to real torture.”

    Screw that.

    That retarded bitch deserves to rot in prison for all the damage she did, politically, to the present administration, to our Iraqi efforts (and by extension, the troops), for all the ammo she’s provided the left, and because we all had to look at her bone-ugly face in the media for so long.

  16. sheehanjihad

    ya know NotStuck…you are right. No excuses. I knew I was going to take a beating for that statement. What the context was supposed to convey, is that butt ugly didnt “torture” anybody, and as such shouldnt be accused of it. She did a whole lot of moron based crap, acting like a child, and dissed the entire service…that she should be shackled for. I just wanted to clear that up, and not seem sympathetic to dumb shit England at all. There, I feel better.

  17. sheehanjihad

    Nice edit, sj ;] Thanks fluff…..I cant take two beatings in one day ya know.

  18. NotStuckOnStupid

    sj, I didn’t mean to come off like I was scolding you. It was directed at England, who I have always wanted to go off on.

    FWIW, I love your posts, and I think you’re hilariously funny.

    There. Now *I* feel better!

  19. Warmonger Infidel

    Hey hey…Watch out what you say about Navy wives. This old Master Chief has been married to one for 35 years…..well to one for 10 years and the other for 25 years. I always like to go to the NEX for the eye candy.

    Choker whites by a Chief NCJ? Not if you had to be the one wearing the god damn thing….LOL.

  20. sheehanjihad

    Thanks NSOS! We both feel better. Hey war! My mother is/was a Navy wife! Not only that, she was Aviation Machinist’s Mate 1st during WWII where she met my Dad, a TBM pilot. So no, I always have an affinity for Navy wives!! Besides, she can still whup my butt.

  21. Kilmeny

    Now don’t be dissing Navy wives, my mom was one.

  22. Warmonger Infidel

    SJ….that’s amazing and from what you said I assume she is doing well. The WWII generation is leaving us all too fast now and I love talking to the them whenever I get the chance. If only the political leaders of that generation were leading us now, the world would be a very different and better place indeed.

  23. navycopjoe

    ~sigh~
    My wife is a navy wife, well, was one until I retired last year. And I wasn’t dissing them, I know what they go through considering how much we were underway.
    Also, on chokers, yes, I wore them but not often because between sweating to death and not being able to breathe and the fact that they are dirt magnets. My personal favorites were the johnny cashes (thats the working blues to you who don’t know)

  24. Warmonger Infidel

    “My wife is a navy wife, well, was one until I retired last year.”

    Damn NCJ…you are stepping all over it today. Once a Navy wife, always a Navy wife. May you walk in OBL’s dung forever!

  25. navycopjoe

    I do…it’s called HAWAII!! LOL

  26. NotStuckOnStupid

    My mom is an old Navy wife, and my brother is a retired Master Chief-Moffett Field.

    God bless the US Navy!

  27. sheehanjihad

    All right you guys! The Navy is a proud service with a storied a long tradition that has turned out some of the finest people ever on this planet.
    The Marines are tough as nails, honorable, stalwart and true to their mission always, and they are the first ones called when the shit hits the fan, and pay backs take on a new meaning when they arrive.
    The Air Force is filled to the brim with bright, brave, and highly skilled personell that put their lives on the line every last day of the week knowing that all take offs are optional, but landings are mandatory. They will go to where you are to kick your ass any time they are ordered.
    The Army is the bastion of our great military, the ones with the littlest glory but carry the brunt of the load in a real shooting war. They have and do everything necessary to finish off any adversary that comes before them, and they kick ass and take names in the process.

    There! Now every service is covered, even though the Air Force is limited by the Army’s ability to hold ground taken by the Marines…..and every one of them depends on the NAVY to get them there! Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Squids!

  28. nodems

    I’m sitting here wondering why the human rights and Red Cross haven’t been at the prison since 2005? Guess when they rang the torture bell, the U.S.A left the prison to the care of the Iraqis and never looked back? If so, good.

    I especially liked the part where the terrorists part of the prison was where all the screaming came from. Sorry but my heart doesn’t ache for these creeps — ever since what I read about what happened to two of our guys that were kidnapped and REALLY tortured. No tears for terrorists!

    I’d reallly like to post some of their comments to the BBC Web site after I read the most disgusting comments about how bad the USA is and how great the terrorists are and it’s all OUR fault for wanting to kill them. Anyone who reads the BBC is stupid anyway….and for the record, I don’t read it…I look at the comments of the dumba$$ readers only.

  29. navycopjoe

    “There! Now every service is covered, even though the Air Force is limited by the Army’s ability to hold ground taken by the Marines…..and every one of them depends on the NAVY to get them there! Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Squids! ”
    Ahhh, bible truth 8-P

  30. sheehanjihad

    From what I have been able to gather, the Red Cross was told to pack their shit and leave…or their safety wouldnt be guaranteed. They, being the upstanding batch that they are, took the hint, and left! They know the US is the only country they can accuse of using torture. They dont have the courage nor the stomach to face a real threat. The terrorists can scream until they are hoarse…none of the do gooders will give a damn now that America isnt there to pick on.

  31. artboyusa

    NotStuck’s right. We ought to airdrop that halfwitted hillbilly Lindee England back into Abu Graib and leave her there for all the damage she and her moron buddies did to our country and to our troops by being so goddam stupid.

  32. Warmonger Infidel

    artboyusa…..while I completely agree with you and NSOS’s assessment of this idiot, I would tie her to the back of the commander of the prison, Col. Whatshernam. This is what happens when you put immature children in charge of something so critical without any supervision. The Col., inspite of her whineing and crying was asleep at the wheel, if she was ever behind the wheel to begin with.

  33. sheehanjihad

    By not supervising the people in “charge” of guarding these terrorists, and by the moronic stupidity of photographing the childish antics they pulled….they gave terrorists a great lift. It gave terrorists worldwide an excuse to recruit more loons for jihad, and good soldiers were killed as a result.

    Lindy England et al deserve nothing less than what they are getting. They should play videos of IED’s and carbombs going off and make them watch….reminding them of what they did, and what the consequences are. Disgrace is too good a word for Stumpy Neck’ d Rouge and her cohorts.

    The buck stops at the Commanding officer’s desk. She wasnt on duty, even when she was there. Hopefully, she will be decorating bouys in the Aleutians this year. Or, Diego Garcia….in charge of gooney birds instead of the same mental capacity of her last charges.

    The only thing I take heart with in light of all this is….at least the terrorists will be treated with real pain and suffering on a daily basis, and there is scant anything our media can do about it. Maybe we will get some useful information from one right before he dies of accidental blood loss from blunt force trauma. I could care less as long as it saves lives.

  34. wampaku40

    So, SJ, you are saying that if they put so little value in life, then why should try to add value? I guess I shouldn’t be agreeing, in a Christian perspective, but agreement comes easily - it is better one life be lost if many others (innocents) can be saved!!!

  35. sheehanjihad

    Yes Wamp…I mean exactly that. Anytime a person’s sole existence is the eradication of his fellow human beings, I feel zero sympathy for whatever befalls him. If beating the ever loving shit out of a suspected terrorist saves the lives of innocent people who were to be his or his cohort’s targets, then that is the way it is. To watch our liberals do everything to deny their intention to kill every last one of us as soon as possible by any means necessary just reenforces my belief. As long as there are those who will stand up for murder in the name of “humanity” just doesnt cut it.

    I keep seeing them piss and moan about our freedoms being traded for security. the part they either dont see or just wish to ignore and hope it goes away is….security is guaranteeing these freedoms they crap about so much. As though anything they have to say is worthy of an FBI investigation? How important do they think they are? Really that big a fish? FOR WHAT?

    If in fact they are plotting the overthrow of our government, then they deserve to be ferreted out and dealt with accordingly. If they arent, then there is no fear from governmental intrusion. They are worried about government controlling them, yet they calmly sit there and champion the causes of Democrats, who are hell bent on controlling everyone’s every move? Do they somehow feel they are exempt because they fall for that “inside job” crap?

    What they fail to realize is….to gain information from someone who isnt willing to give it, there needs to be a form of coercement that will cause said person to talk. Regardless of what methods are used, the saving of innocent lives is tantamount over anyone’s perception of “right and wrong”.

    Liberals live insolated lives, convinced that because they are against America, against anything you or I believe, and against any government at all for that matter, so they foam at the mouth when the read that someone might tap their phone. Someone will. Every damn time, if the situation warrants it. What I see is if there are laws preventing surveillence of people, then those very people will use those laws to do us all grave harm.

    Saving innocent lives is what I am for. Yes, even moonbeam barkchomper and her “partner” stardust tectonic plate. If a terrorist gets his ass beaten to a pulp in an effort to extract valuable information on an upcoming mass murder, I will wipe my hands on the smocks of moonbeam and stardust, and let them worry about the morality of it all. If we dont, then we will die. If we do, we live.

    I can only hope that the freedoms we trade for extra security are re instated by whoever declares the muslim wars over. When the islamists are no longer a threat, then and only then can we debate what “freedoms” we need to re establish like they were before. However…if we dont do something soon, the only debate will be where to bury the population of the latest city that was destroyed by the religion of peace.

  36. JerseyGrrrl

    Maybe we should let the Iraqis run Gitmo for a month or two. Or three.

  37. rocketman

    When Rummy retires, I cast my vote for SJ as SecDef

  38. DEZ

    I second that.

  39. sheehanjihad

    I prefer SecAttk! well, one thing’s for sure, the press conferences would be a hoot!!

  40. wampaku40

    I would not be disinterested in a posting to the Ministry of Justice…..er, Department of Justice. We gotta make sure the whole S&L Administration is on the same page regarding policy and the application thereof, and that includes making sure no one in the DoJ leaks or steps out of line in criticizing the regularly schedule pinata parties, lawnmower driving trials, rubber hose pressure testing, and any experiments performed in trying to find the best way to complete capital punishment when prescribed.

  41. sheehanjihad

    One of my sayings would be…” you find the leakers, under my sneakers”. we would rule!


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