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Afghan Cleric Defends Sex On Demand Law

From those tireless defenders of the faith at the Associated Press:


Afghan cleric defends contentious marriage law

By Rahim Faiez And Heidi Vogt, Associated Press Writers

KABUL – A key backer of an Afghan law that critics say legalizes marital rape and rolls back women’s rights rejected an international outcry as foreign meddling on Saturday and insisted the law offers women many protections.

The law, passed last month, says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse, and regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home alone.

"It is essential for the woman to submit to the man’s sexual desire," the law says…

Following an international uproar over the new law, which President Barack Obama called "abhorrent," Afghan President Hamid Karzai put it under review. The move puts enforcement on hold.

Mohammad Asif Mohseni, a top Afghan cleric and one of the law’s main drafters, said the legislation cannot be revoked or changed because it was enacted through a legislative process — passed by both houses of parliament and signed by Karzai.

"The Westerners claim that they have brought democracy to Afghanistan. What does democracy mean? It means government by the people for the people. They should let the people use these democratic rights," Mohseni told reporters in the capital, Kabul.

Surrounded by supporters, Mohseni unfurled reams of paper with hundreds of women’s signatures and thumbprints backing the law. The legislation came out of three years of debate and revision involving both Islamic scholars and members of parliament, Mohseni said…

Mohseni said much of the uproar has come from people misinterpreting the law. He said a woman can refuse sex with her husband for many reasons beyond illness, including fasting for Ramadan, preparing for a pilgrimage, menstruating, or recovering from giving birth.

Mohseni also argued that the law can be interpreted to mean simply sleeping in the same room as a couple every four nights, but an Associated Press translation of the pertinent article suggests this reading is unlikely.

The law says that every fourth day a man "can pass the night with his wife, unless it is harmful for either side, or either of them is suffering from any kind of sexual disease."

"If she is not sick, and if she does not have another problem, it is the right of a man to ask for sex and she should make herself ready for it," Mohseni explained…

Mohseni argued that women and men are very far from equal in today’s Afghanistan and should not be treated as such. He said many rural women are illiterate and would not be able to find work. Men are typically expected to provide for their wives and children.

"For all these expenses, can’t we at least give the right to a husband to demand sex from his wife after four nights?" he said.

You see, this is merely a “contentious” law.

Saying anything more critical than that would of course be intolerant.

Mohammad Asif Mohseni, a top Afghan cleric and one of the law’s main drafters, said the legislation cannot be revoked or changed because it was enacted through a legislative process — passed by both houses of parliament and signed by Karzai.

Funny, it doesn’t work like that in the US anymore.

But perhaps when we finally come to Sharia Law things will be better.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, April 11th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

27 Responses to “Afghan Cleric Defends Sex On Demand Law”

  1. PatriotOne says:

    Let’s look at the obvious ~~ Islam is the religion of gynophobics and misogynists….. The males live in fear of women and quake in their presence, fearful, perhaps, of their own manhood!

    How else to explain Islam’s scorn, disdain and fear fear of women?

    For Muslim’s and anyone else unfamiliar with the term “gynophobic,” here’s the definition:

    “Gynophobia is a traumatic stress disorder that causes a great amount of discomfort in a person when placed in social situations with women.

    Gynophobics often become withdrawn and quiet, frustrated, sad, and/or antisocial in general when the psychosomatic symptoms of gynophobia surface.”

    I rest my case…..

    • canary says:

      I disagree that the muslim misogynist comes from gynophobia or psychosomatic problems. I believe it comes from muslims religious beliefs. They consider this a holy world against the entire world. They certainly don’t feel misognynistic around women. Even in America they have no difficulty showing and practicing in bold manner their hatred towards women. It’s their religion. So many asian countries treat their woman worthless too. Men are considered superior, period. Muslim men don’t experience casteration in any form, mentally or physcially from muslim women, that would ever make them uncomfortable or traumatised. They want to get rid of a wife….they just accuse her making eye contact with another man. Off with her head, like a Wrestling match with the crowd cheering.

  2. PatriotOne says:

    Let’s look at the obvious ~~ Islam is the religion of gynophobics and misogynists….. The males live in fear of women and quake in their presence, fearful, perhaps, of their own manhood!

    How else to explain Islam’s scorn, disdain and fear of women?

    For Muslim’s and anyone else unfamiliar with the term “gynophobic,” here’s the definition:

    “Gynophobia is a traumatic stress disorder that causes a great amount of discomfort in a person when placed in social situations with women.

    Gynophobics often become withdrawn and quiet, frustrated, sad, and/or antisocial in general when the psychosomatic symptoms of gynophobia surface.”

    I rest my case…..

    • canary says:

      The more I think about it, the more I disagree.

    • proreason says:

      “How else to explain Islam’s scorn, disdain and fear of women?”

      I agree with Canary that the explanation is off base.

      It’s not about a fear of women….it’s the desire to CONTOL women.

      In fact, that’s a big reason why the entire religion was created.

      And it’s very consistent with the other big reason the religion was created, which is world domination.

      And that illustrates that the true psychological disorder is the one that possesses femi-nazis who ally with Muslims. In their addled brains, the right to have sex with who whoever they want without consequences trumps everything else, including their own certain destruction if their allies ever gained power over them..

    • jobeth says:

      “How else to explain Islam’s scorn, disdain and fear of women?”

      Let try…They’re just plain EVIL! It’s simple to me.

      Evil men do evil things to others and look for ways to blame others for their evil ways.

      EVIL

      1 a: morally reprehensible : sinful , wicked b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
      2 aarchaic : inferior b: causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive c: disagreeable
      3 a: causing harm : pernicious b: marked by misfortune : unlucky

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil

  3. Howard Roark says:

    You can hear the disdain these 8th-century camel-jockeys have for the West: The Westerners claim that they have brought democracy to Afghanistan If anyone has read the creed of the Islamic Brotherhood, you know that they wage eternal war against the West, and our infidel ways.

    The resentment against us is simmering only barely beneath the surface around the Islamic world. And this is just the beginning of our “Clash Of Civilizations”, also. Wait until they have to have Gloria Steinem’s take on things rammed down their throats.

    And they claim to have “hundred’s of thumbprints” from women who support this law (yet they are largely illiterate). Were those thumbs still attached to their owners when the print was made?

  4. Clarissimus says:

    Ha ha, we are still getting Muslim Dating banner ads for these topics.

  5. canary says:

    Obama presents new Universal Language and Global Athem.
    Click the arrow on Time mag icon.

    http://www.nationalrepublicrat.com/obama-without-teleprompter-video/

    Ronald Reagan tells Obama to Shut Up.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgTgenwl2aA&feature=related

    • jobeth says:

      I love the “Reagan tells Obama to shut-up”! Beautiful!

      You know, I was really listening to what O’balmy was saying and next expecting him to tell us…No radios, TVs. No music, no singing. No cars. No women out on the streets with out a male family member. No women out of their burkas….

      He was pretty clearly telling the muslim extremist world that he will take us back a hundred years in defense.

      As soon as he gets it all done…he’ll announce to the muslim terrorist…”come on in…the water’s fine!

      Half us will belly up to the bar and fight to defend this country and the rest, the namby pambys, will continue to stick their head in the sand and continue to look for “hope and change”.

    • caligirl9 says:

      I miss Ronnie :(

      There’s a pretty funny video linked from that one, it’s TOTUS talking during a “town hall” meeting and Princess Caroline makes more sense than he does!

  6. joeblough says:

    Well, I try, on those very rare occasions that arise to personalize this sort of thing when in conversations with liberals (something I try hard to avoid).

    You have to see the look on a lefty/liberal feminist’s face when I tell her what I would do to her — with perfect impunity — if sharia law were adopted here in the US.

    It’s precious.

    They snarl and whine and sputter and spray, but they can’t speak. They have nothing to say.

    Mind you, I normally treat women with perfect courtesy and respect, but I make an exception for leftist “feminists”. They don’t deserve it, and it only encourages the worst in them.

  7. oldswimcoach says:

    Every four days on demand. Hmm… Maybe I’ll convert.

    • canary says:

      lol.crack me up. First you’d better find out what conditions a woman can claim as not being in good health. For example “Master, I have a headache. Maybe in 4 days it will be gone” Punishment might be after 3 headache excuses, their master’s can chop their heads off. If they’d quit mutilating baby girls private parts, that might cure alot of the problem.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      Would you think the same thing if you was married to a “Code Pink” Skank hag?

  8. VMAN says:

    The fact is 90% of the world still lives in the stone age. We are insulated in this country and most people don’t have a clue. I was driving through a lower middle class neighborhood the other day and thought that these people would probably live in shacks in much of the world today. As to Islam, that peace loving religion that our dear leader wants to kiss the ass of, they need a reformation and maybe then they would be worthy of some consideration. Christianity was a fairly blood thirsty religion before it’s reformation. It has become a rather benign entity since. In some ways that is a shame and others good however Christians for the most part don’t go around murdering and keeping women in subjection.

    • jobeth says:

      VMan

      With respect to you,I have to say Christianity does not have a violent past.

      Its the people who have inserted what they want into Christianity in order to rule others who have been violent. (Crusades, The intrigue of the medieval times, even the to Klu Klux Klan etc)

      But there is nothing in the New Testament that advocates hatred or violence anywhere. Quite the opposite. Forgiveness, turning the other cheek… Jesus always just laid it out and it was up to the hearer to accept or reject.

      Jesus never forced or threatened anyone. (Except on the temple steps and then only to over turn tables)

      The Koran on the other hand advocates violence against non-believers, and hatred against women etc.

      Jesus always treated women with compassion and respect. So Christianity itself is not violent nor disrespectful to women.

      It’s people. Not Christianity.

      I said this only because it really bothers me to hear people claim Christianity has had it’s violent history. It doesn’t. People who claim to be Christians have. But their behavior is never backed up in the Bible.

      Just had to get that off my chest…

    • proreason says:

      Violence between the birth of Christ and the late middle ages is due more to human nature than to Christianity.

      It’s not like wars ramped up when Christianity took hold. The Romans were in wars full time. The Huns didn’t invade Europe because they disagreed with Jesus. The Ottoman Empire was the agressor, not Christian nations. The European Christian wars of the middle ages were bad, but who would argue that Europe would have been at peace then without them? People were flailing at each other with about the same fervor before, during and after those episodes.

      And nobody blames Christianity for the horrific wars since 1800. Look to empire-building, communism, and megalomaniacs for the root causes of 95% of the wars in the last 200 years

      As human history has gone, Christianity is not particularly “bloodthirsty”, despite the relentless propagandists that want to blame every evil on western culture.

  9. PatriotOne says:

    First, I regret my double-post….. Error on my part…..

    Secondly, in “canary’s” and “proreason’s” disagreement with my claim that Islam is a religion of gynophobics and misogynists, they each make my point….. Canary says Muslim men have “…..no difficulty showing and practicing in bold manner their hatred towards women!” Thank you, canary…..
    And “proreason” states, “It’s not about a fear of women….it’s the desire to CONTROL women.” Of course it is, and WHY the desire to control if not out of fear? And hatred of women either preceeds or follows fear…..

    Islam, sharia law, a world caliphate, murder, mutilation and terrorism ~~ just a few of the reasons that the Muslim world poses the biggest threat to our United States and our Constitution, which is the bedrock of our freedoms and right to choose…..

    As for B. O. Obama, who has sworn to “…..protect and defend” our Constitution….. In my not-so-humble opinion, I consider his oath nothing more than a lie, and him nothing more than a Muslim,
    dedicated to Muslim principals, including reducing the United States to just another rag-tag Third World nation….. Socialism/Marxism/Communism/Terrorism ~~ all tools of Islam!!!

    • canary says:

      The Patriot/ For Muslim’s and anyone else unfamiliar with the term “gynophobic,” here’s the definition:

      “Gynophobia is a traumatic stress disorder that causes a great amount of discomfort in a person when placed in social situations with women.

      And “proreason” states, “It’s not about a fear of women….it’s the desire to CONTROL women.” Of course it is, and WHY the desire to control if not out of fear? And hatred of women either preceeds or follows fear…..

      It’s not aruging the hatred and disrespect, it’s your belief that the hatred derives from fear or a traumatic stress disorder. Dont’ think women were casterating or decapitating men.

      The isolation of women in the muslim world, does not stem from men avoiding the women from fear. men fearing and avoiding , isn’t because they are traumatized afraid to go near a woman. The other given explanation is that the hatred for women is rooted from predjudism and discrimination, which was my blaming it on religion.

      But, Pro-Reason’s explanation that their hatred comes from the”desire to control” is much more accurate, and she hit the nail on the head.

      I do agree with ya, Obama is all that you say he is, and more.

  10. canary says:

    VMan/Christianity was a fairly blood thirsty religion before it’s reformation.

    Actually, the beginning of Christianity was the persecution and murder of anyone that practiced Christianity. They added steeples to churches in pretense of worshipping the sun god. They would draw a fish in the ground, to show they were Christians. The salem witch hunts, were stopped once the governement got involved, and many imprisoned were saved. But, the devil has a front pew within any religion. It’s not just the Catholic priests that molest children. There is good and evil in every profession, and in every religion, and in man.
    Christians in order to worship Easter the Resurrection of Christ, which cleansed us all, was mingled with commercial Easter, worshipping the fertilization (bunnies and eggs) needed to honor be fruitful and mulitply. Even the round shiny balls on Christmas trees was for the sun god. None of it matters. It’s where your heart is.
    Man is not perfect. And no man-made church is perfect. The hope, through all the struggle and suffering, is for a perfect place for all eternity.

    • VMAN says:

      yadda yadda yadda heard it all before. Early Christians didn’t have popes and priests and pastors and so on and so on. They just had Christ. When Christianity became “organized” that’s when the trouble started. The reformation helped but of course there were still problems. It’s man that’s the problem not God. Fast forward to today and Christianity has pretty much become a toothless lion ceding most of its God given responsibility to the government. If only Christians had dumped the clergy and held to the teaching of Christ the whole world would have been better off.

    • canary says:

      VMAN/”Christianity was a fairly blood thirsty religion before it’s reformation..”

      I’m sorry but, I disagree with that Christianity was a blood thirsty religion. That “yadda yadda yadda” has been the excuse for so many in the world, to condemn Christianity, and to condemn the U.S. that was based on Christianity. I was simply explaining that the desire to kill Christians has been since it began. In some countries you would be killed for reading the bible. And there are muslims bloody killing Christians all over the world. I just don’t think Christiantiy has ever deserved to be called a blood thirsty religion.
      Not sure where your yadda ends others opinions or yours, but your belief that “in the present Christianity has pretty much become a toothless lion”,
      well, not sure what you mean. I don’t believe America’s ever been in tune for killing people because they aren’t Christians. As far as letting those that aren’t constantly attacking the laws in this country. The right to school prayer, which doesn’t hurt anyone of any belief. I mean if heathen children want to feel a moment a day thinking that most of the class are nuts, big deal. But, prayer in the school, was a moment each day, that held more power than could ever be seen by the human eye. It gave children at least a moment to hear of a Father. To have hope of a Father that might hear them. So many younger children have never heard Jesus. They don’t hear it in their homes, neighbor kids. The Supreme Court and Obomies just keep giving religious minorities more rights
      than Christians that built this country. It’s just a nation of doing whatever you bloody feel like doing. No morals or values.

    • VMAN says:

      Why do people get soooo touchy when I simply suggest that Christianity is a personal thing and that what needs to be done is can all the priests, popes, pastors, reverends and the like. Christ gave us a few simple charges and that’s about all there is to it. You remember “If you’ve done unto the least of these” and the thing about taking care of orphans, widows and the stranger in the land. But wait the so called “church” has ceded most of that to the government. As to the bloody part the crusades, the inquisition, burning people at the stake for simply reading the bible. I guess your right Christianity was not a bloody religion.

    • Howard Roark says:

      It reveals your character, heart, and truthfulness when you try to define all of Christianity in terms of “blood”.

      Those with a dark heart try to define Christianity as being “bloody” by pointing to the cases where governments performed crusades, the inquisition, burning people at the stake for simply reading the bible.

      Those who have more of Christ’s love in their hearts try to define Christianity as being “bloody” in this sense: the blood that was cut and spilled out of Jesus before and after the crucifixion; the blood of martyrs who were eaten alive and massacred in the Roman coliseum for their faith; the blood of the countless soldiers of faith who protected Jerusalem and Europe against Muhammed and the hundreds of years since worth of Islamic armies bent on enriching their purses and a fanatical jihad of “convert or die”.

    • proreason says:

      “Why do people get so touchy”

      Because the bloodthirsty part is liberal propaganda. Read my previous post. It’s not Christianity, it’s human nature. Christianity is actually LESS bloodthirsty than almost everything else that came before or has come after.

      Liberals love to run around blaming western culture, religion, and conservatives for every bad thing that has ever happened in the world (makes them feel superior, donchaknow). And they excuse the very same behaviours in every other culture.

      It’s another element of the brainwashing that goes on full-time in the universities and schools.

      So when you see it, you gotta call it out. You need to rethink it VM. You got caught in the liberal snare on this one.

  11. mybrotherkeeper says:

    It’s pretty telling that Islam treats marriage as a bunch of “do’s and don’ts.” Christianity treats it as a higher law–a law of love.


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