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		<title>By: bobbys</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158358</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a general practitioner, insurance adjuster, GM executive,environmental scientist myself im shocked i say shocked</description>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158216</link>
		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son enjoyed these fraud audience stories. Schools ready to start and this will give him some pointers. He as a bit stressed all summer of how the children of liberals walked around sassing, and threatening, and starting arguments in class.  Last year, the black kids threatened to beat up the white kids, got worse after the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son enjoyed these fraud audience stories. Schools ready to start and this will give him some pointers. He as a bit stressed all summer of how the children of liberals walked around sassing, and threatening, and starting arguments in class.  Last year, the black kids threatened to beat up the white kids, got worse after the election.</p>
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		<title>By: jimwilson</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158200</link>
		<dc:creator>jimwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And.......

If that kind of B.S. is not enough

They will now organize events at LIBRARIES where they trick people into signing petitions...

Check out this little tidbit I picked up while I posed as an interested participant:

&lt;i&gt;Yes! We are getting people to sign a petition. I have given the forms to Channie Currie who will be there at Rea Road by 10 am. I briefed her on what needs to be done. I will be there close to 10 am because I coming from Independence Library after they are set up and ready to go. &lt;b&gt;We cannot solicit people to sign but we can engage people into a conversation on Health Care.&lt;/b&gt; We will be working out of the Library&#039;s Community Room. Thank you for participating and I&#039;ll see Saturday. Ben Allen&lt;/i&gt;

So..... they hang out in the library community room and lure people in with a &quot;discussion&quot; and then &quot;oh! sign this document -- a petition&quot;

these people will just trick their way into socialism... I HATE IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>If that kind of B.S. is not enough</p>
<p>They will now organize events at LIBRARIES where they trick people into signing petitions&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out this little tidbit I picked up while I posed as an interested participant:</p>
<p><i>Yes! We are getting people to sign a petition. I have given the forms to Channie Currie who will be there at Rea Road by 10 am. I briefed her on what needs to be done. I will be there close to 10 am because I coming from Independence Library after they are set up and ready to go. <b>We cannot solicit people to sign but we can engage people into a conversation on Health Care.</b> We will be working out of the Library&#8217;s Community Room. Thank you for participating and I&#8217;ll see Saturday. Ben Allen</i></p>
<p>So&#8230;.. they hang out in the library community room and lure people in with a &#8220;discussion&#8221; and then &#8220;oh! sign this document &#8212; a petition&#8221;</p>
<p>these people will just trick their way into socialism&#8230; I HATE IT!</p>
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		<title>By: jimwilson</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158199</link>
		<dc:creator>jimwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And expect all their stories at these things to be completely false...

Look at all the work they go to for their &quot;hard luck&quot; stories:


&lt;i&gt;Event Name: health care stories needed 
Description: I am part of a group of individuals who are working on a project to promote the need for comprehensive insurance reform. If you reside in Gaston County and beleive that the current health care state needs overhauling and have a personal/compelling story to tell please email me at rkellogg001@carolina.rr.com. The testemonials may be used at a near future event to show the human side of health care. Stories which include not enough coverage, coverage drops, insurance red tape and health care horror stories will be considered. thanks. 
Time: Sunday, August 23 from 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM 
Host: Robert Kellogg 
Location: Letters on health care (Gastonia, NC) 
000
Gastonia, NC 28056  
Directions: no place to attend just letters via email. 


So, this idiot is just asking anyone to email him anything.... so he can pass a socialist agenda and wreck our country.

Nice..

We are doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And expect all their stories at these things to be completely false&#8230;</p>
<p>Look at all the work they go to for their &#8220;hard luck&#8221; stories:</p>
<p><i>Event Name: health care stories needed<br />
Description: I am part of a group of individuals who are working on a project to promote the need for comprehensive insurance reform. If you reside in Gaston County and beleive that the current health care state needs overhauling and have a personal/compelling story to tell please email me at <a href="mailto:rkellogg001@carolina.rr.com">rkellogg001@carolina.rr.com</a>. The testemonials may be used at a near future event to show the human side of health care. Stories which include not enough coverage, coverage drops, insurance red tape and health care horror stories will be considered. thanks.<br />
Time: Sunday, August 23 from 12:00 PM &#8211; 1:00 PM<br />
Host: Robert Kellogg<br />
Location: Letters on health care (Gastonia, NC)<br />
000<br />
Gastonia, NC 28056<br />
Directions: no place to attend just letters via email. </p>
<p>So, this idiot is just asking anyone to email him anything&#8230;. so he can pass a socialist agenda and wreck our country.</p>
<p>Nice..</p>
<p>We are doomed.</i></p>
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		<title>By: catie</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158173</link>
		<dc:creator>catie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it Halloween and I missed it?</description>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158166</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy, nothing beats a Canned Meet! All they serve at Barrys&#039; TH meets is SPAM. Unwanted, trivial trash that has no use but to &quot;Attaboy&quot; the dwindling boot and ass kissers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy, nothing beats a Canned Meet! All they serve at Barrys&#8217; TH meets is SPAM. Unwanted, trivial trash that has no use but to &#8220;Attaboy&#8221; the dwindling boot and ass kissers!</p>
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		<title>By: Yarddog1</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158162</link>
		<dc:creator>Yarddog1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These complete loons are certainly showing the world what their agenda and tactics really are; and I do not believe that ethical, moral and patriotic people, which make up a large number in our population, are very happy at all to learn the sordid details. Where have honor, morality and ethics gone? Oh yes - it has been destroyed by the liberal elitists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These complete loons are certainly showing the world what their agenda and tactics really are; and I do not believe that ethical, moral and patriotic people, which make up a large number in our population, are very happy at all to learn the sordid details. Where have honor, morality and ethics gone? Oh yes &#8211; it has been destroyed by the liberal elitists.</p>
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		<title>By: TwilightZoned</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158155</link>
		<dc:creator>TwilightZoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to the sleuths at Lone Star, Ms. Roxana Mayer is not even a physician.&quot;

Ah, yes...another page out of the libtard play book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to the sleuths at Lone Star, Ms. Roxana Mayer is not even a physician.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, yes&#8230;another page out of the libtard play book.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158119</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a doctor?  Not even literate!  Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a doctor?  Not even literate!  Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: Tater Salad</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158109</link>
		<dc:creator>Tater Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This congresswoman seems to be uneducated to say the least.  She rambles on and on with a simple question and never gets to the main event.  Basically, &quot;dumb as a stump&quot;.  Doesn&#039;t say much for the people who elected her to this office does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This congresswoman seems to be uneducated to say the least.  She rambles on and on with a simple question and never gets to the main event.  Basically, &#8220;dumb as a stump&#8221;.  Doesn&#8217;t say much for the people who elected her to this office does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tater Salad</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158108</link>
		<dc:creator>Tater Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debating the President’s Portsmouth pitch
Posted on August 14th, 2009 by kbh in budget, featured, health, taxes  

www.keithhennessy.com

 I have converted this post into a memo for easy printing and reading.

The President hosted a health care reform town hall in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday August 11, 2009.  His remarks were extensive and he took questions.

At this town hall meeting the President said:

THE PRESIDENT: (L)et me just say there’s been a long and vigorous debate about this, and that’s how it should be.  That’s what America is about, is we have a vigorous debate.  That’s why we have a democracy.  But I do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other — (applause) — because one of the objectives of democracy and debate is, is that we start refining our own views because maybe other people have different perspectives, things we didn’t think of.

Where we do disagree, let’s disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that’s actually been proposed.

In the spirit of informed and vigorous debate, let’s look at what the President said about the pending legislation at yesterday’s Portsmouth town hall.  This post is a compilation of a series of 20 posts I made beginning Wednesday, August 11th.


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1.  The President’s overpromise that everyone can keep their health plan

THE PRESIDENT:  Now, let me just start by setting the record straight on a few things I’ve been hearing out here — (laughter) — about reform.  Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.  If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

And yet here is what CBO said about the House bill:

CBO: In addition, CBO and the JCT staff estimate that nearly 6 million other people who would be covered by an employment-based plan under current law would not have such coverage under the proposal. That figure includes part-time employees, who could receive subsidies via an exchange even though they have an employer’s offer of coverage, and about 3 million people who would not have an employer’s offer of coverage under the proposal. Firms that would choose not to offer coverage as a result of the proposal would tend to be smaller employers and those that predominantly employ lower-wage workers—people who would be eligible for subsidies through the exchanges—although some workers who were not eligible for subsidies through the exchanges also would not have coverage available through their employers. Whether those changes in coverage would represent the dropping of existing coverage or a lack of offers of new coverage is difficult to determine. (p. 5)

According to CBO, the President’s statement is incorrect for a portion of these 6 million people who as a result of the House bill would lose employment-based coverage they would otherwise have under current law.  Some of those 6 million people would lose the opportunity to get employment-based coverage, while others would “represent the dropping of existing coverage.”  CBO reached similar conclusions.  Here is a more detailed explanation of this problem that I wrote for an earlier draft of the Kennedy-Dodd bill, under which 10 million people would not have lost the health plan they would otherwise have under current law.  CBO dialed this number down to 3 million for a later draft of Kennedy-Dodd.

This is an inevitable consequence of moving away from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.  My preferred plan would have a similar effect.  Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to CBO’s view of the House bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debating the President’s Portsmouth pitch<br />
Posted on August 14th, 2009 by kbh in budget, featured, health, taxes  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.keithhennessy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.keithhennessy.com</a></p>
<p> I have converted this post into a memo for easy printing and reading.</p>
<p>The President hosted a health care reform town hall in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday August 11, 2009.  His remarks were extensive and he took questions.</p>
<p>At this town hall meeting the President said:</p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT: (L)et me just say there’s been a long and vigorous debate about this, and that’s how it should be.  That’s what America is about, is we have a vigorous debate.  That’s why we have a democracy.  But I do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other — (applause) — because one of the objectives of democracy and debate is, is that we start refining our own views because maybe other people have different perspectives, things we didn’t think of.</p>
<p>Where we do disagree, let’s disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that’s actually been proposed.</p>
<p>In the spirit of informed and vigorous debate, let’s look at what the President said about the pending legislation at yesterday’s Portsmouth town hall.  This post is a compilation of a series of 20 posts I made beginning Wednesday, August 11th.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>1.  The President’s overpromise that everyone can keep their health plan</p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT:  Now, let me just start by setting the record straight on a few things I’ve been hearing out here — (laughter) — about reform.  Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.  If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.</p>
<p>And yet here is what CBO said about the House bill:</p>
<p>CBO: In addition, CBO and the JCT staff estimate that nearly 6 million other people who would be covered by an employment-based plan under current law would not have such coverage under the proposal. That figure includes part-time employees, who could receive subsidies via an exchange even though they have an employer’s offer of coverage, and about 3 million people who would not have an employer’s offer of coverage under the proposal. Firms that would choose not to offer coverage as a result of the proposal would tend to be smaller employers and those that predominantly employ lower-wage workers—people who would be eligible for subsidies through the exchanges—although some workers who were not eligible for subsidies through the exchanges also would not have coverage available through their employers. Whether those changes in coverage would represent the dropping of existing coverage or a lack of offers of new coverage is difficult to determine. (p. 5)</p>
<p>According to CBO, the President’s statement is incorrect for a portion of these 6 million people who as a result of the House bill would lose employment-based coverage they would otherwise have under current law.  Some of those 6 million people would lose the opportunity to get employment-based coverage, while others would “represent the dropping of existing coverage.”  CBO reached similar conclusions.  Here is a more detailed explanation of this problem that I wrote for an earlier draft of the Kennedy-Dodd bill, under which 10 million people would not have lost the health plan they would otherwise have under current law.  CBO dialed this number down to 3 million for a later draft of Kennedy-Dodd.</p>
<p>This is an inevitable consequence of moving away from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.  My preferred plan would have a similar effect.  Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to CBO’s view of the House bill.</p>
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		<title>By: wstuga</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158107</link>
		<dc:creator>wstuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it because he, and by he i mean the great one in his own mind B. Hussien Obama, can&#039;t find a real MD who thinks insurance reform is a good idea that he has to plant a fake one?

On the side, as an MD, and by MD I mean I have a diploma on my wall that reads Doctor of Medicine and earn money to pay my bills and increasing taxes by you know seeing patients, I am furious that the president would send an imposter to represent my profession. I sacrificed my 20&#039;s to get to where I am and lost a lot of sleep caring for those who don&#039;t have insurance. He has no right to make a mockery of this great profession by sending in someone who has no idea what it takes to be a physician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it because he, and by he i mean the great one in his own mind B. Hussien Obama, can&#8217;t find a real MD who thinks insurance reform is a good idea that he has to plant a fake one?</p>
<p>On the side, as an MD, and by MD I mean I have a diploma on my wall that reads Doctor of Medicine and earn money to pay my bills and increasing taxes by you know seeing patients, I am furious that the president would send an imposter to represent my profession. I sacrificed my 20&#8242;s to get to where I am and lost a lot of sleep caring for those who don&#8217;t have insurance. He has no right to make a mockery of this great profession by sending in someone who has no idea what it takes to be a physician.</p>
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		<title>By: 12 Gauge Rage</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158104</link>
		<dc:creator>12 Gauge Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are these plants part of the Obama civilian army he talked about? Or are they there to give a voice to counter the other voices of discontent that are making it known loud and clear they don&#039;t want Obama Care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these plants part of the Obama civilian army he talked about? Or are they there to give a voice to counter the other voices of discontent that are making it known loud and clear they don&#8217;t want Obama Care?</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158099</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of fake plants in my house.  Never need watering, jut dust them occasionally.  People love how real they look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of fake plants in my house.  Never need watering, jut dust them occasionally.  People love how real they look.</p>
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		<title>By: wardmama4</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/another-plant-at-a-healthcare-forum#comment-158098</link>
		<dc:creator>wardmama4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A plant that is fake - boy are they getting desperate in these closing days of the Obama Administration.

Our guys (OH) have taken to just not having Town Halls anymore - it just isn&#039;t working out for them well at all.

And they are getting the mail/calls/emails to know it is about 1000 to 1 - they just don&#039;t want to have to see &amp; hear it - so that in Sept they can claim - they didn&#039;t know that the majority of their constituents were against it. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A plant that is fake &#8211; boy are they getting desperate in these closing days of the Obama Administration.</p>
<p>Our guys (OH) have taken to just not having Town Halls anymore &#8211; it just isn&#8217;t working out for them well at all.</p>
<p>And they are getting the mail/calls/emails to know it is about 1000 to 1 &#8211; they just don&#8217;t want to have to see &amp; hear it &#8211; so that in Sept they can claim &#8211; they didn&#8217;t know that the majority of their constituents were against it. . .</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t really take fault with that.

After all, we have a POTUS who may not be American citizen and, if he is, certainly doesn&#039;t like his country.

He just pretends he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really take fault with that.</p>
<p>After all, we have a POTUS who may not be American citizen and, if he is, certainly doesn&#8217;t like his country.</p>
<p>He just pretends he does.</p>
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