Every mention of abortion is not an invitation for another fruitless ‘debate’ on its merits, pro and con.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/c.....089?ck=nck

Journal of the American medical Association. Tell me if you want more, I’ll try to find that one I had.

I do not mean to paint adoptive or foster parents as bad, I really don’t.

I just have thought about it and I trust the mother to decide when she can take care of a baby, not the government.

As for unborn children. I do worry about them. I think there are worse things than being born, and they are all more likely to happen to a kid born into a bad situation. But even considering the fetus inside the womb. None of us can remember being there but we all were. Fetuses are definitely human life, but they must be a special case of it. They don’t get alarmed to be confined underwater in total darkness for nine months. Any baby or child or adult would freak out, it’s practically our worst fear of being buried alive. I know that sounds stupid the way I wrote it but to me it means we must not be as prone to pain or fear when we are fetuses. if you asked me if i’d rather have been aborted or live in pain and kill myself I’d pick the former. I’m sure some of you guys will think “I wish you were”, but I’m serious. I do consider the feelings of the unborn baby in forming my political opinion.

OK, but you kind of jumped the shark on that. You are assuming that by a child not being aborted, it will grow up in an unfavorable environment and will then stand a greater chance at committing suicide.

I submit that if the child was carried to term, then given up for adoption, they stand a much better chance of growing up in a loving, caring, nurturing environment because I “read and article” that there are countless married couples who cannot have children of their own and newborns are the first to be adopted. It’s the kids who are past the age of 3 to 4 who are most at risk and I do agree with you, to a point. But at that point, I say it is essential that all kids should have a home where they are loved and cared for.

But, I also happen to know that life is not an ideallic fantasy where all kids avoid drugs and gangs and disreputable behavior. And, disreputable behavior is not always the fault of the parent.

But….also…as the saying goes…you need a license to fish, but anybody can have a kid.

But….also ALSO……there’s “having a kid” and “being a parent”.

That means being an adult and making the hard choices.

Abortion is not a viable form of birth control. The child is unable to fight for its rights and therefore, must be protected by law. The only issue that some seem to have is, when does life begin?

But Roe vs. Wade is, unfortunately, the yardstick our system falls back on. I suggest to you that you really review Pro’s points on that…they are very valid.

When I was younger, I thought similarly to you on this issue, but having had kids of my own, and having seen many kids over the years, I find them to be wonderful, amazing people…and all worthy of love, support and help in growing up. And that means no matter how they came to be conceived.

I struggle with the rape issue…truly. And the incest issue as well…but life is hard. These are decisions that unfortunately fetter our world. They interfere with the nice, soft, fuzzy things we like to think about. But…I will say you have the potential for being a critical thinker by bringing up these issues, so good on ya for that.

The difference, though, I will say is that a liberal wants someone ELSE to decide for them. A conservative will take up the responsibility and face the music. I’m not saying that all people do this all the time in an empirical format but that the true test of character is how one deals with a crisis of a highly personal nature and accepts the responsibility.

I have watched as the years go by that we seem to have fewer and fewer adults in our society…and part of that is because of how our marketing world caters to the young and their desires for the “next big thing”. No, I’m not slamming any group. I was there, too once.

But as you get older, you will find yourself enjoying more the things you already have..and slowing down and understanding more as to why things are the way they are.

Another difference in liberal thinking versus conservative thinking is that liberals tend to think that Utopia can be forced to happen. Often they try to achieve this by trying to get people to not think a certain way. Nothing could be more absurd.

The conservative would also love to see world peace, everyone share, being polite…but we also know that the responsibility for that starts with US. Therefore we endeavor to be fair WITHOUT anyone telling us what “fair” is, mind you. We hope for the day when bad people stop acting up. But we also know that if there is more than one person in a room, there will be an argument. At some point. Maybe not knock-down, drag-out…but an argument in the sense that there will be disagreement.

So, jasper, try not to to just throw stuff out there because you “read an article”. When you do read an article do the same with it as you do with this discussion….take the opposing view….see where the holes in the logic may be. Then when you can do that, you will have graduated to critical thinking status.

So, Jasper google aborted baby sites, especially the late-term ones, and
then come back and talk about abortion being as simple as having a tooth pulled. You compare a human life to a woman’s tooth.

If you don’t think it’s responsible to bring a baby into this world, then don’t do it–problem solved. Funny thing about abstinence–it works every time it’s tried.

Your argument of an unloved baby being turned over to foster care is a really weak argument for abortion. Not only does it ignore an individual’s ability to control their urges, but it also paints a nation full of wonderful foster care/adoptive parents as unloving agents of suicide. Just what “article” serves as the Truth for you?

And I don’t feel the need to call thousands of women and couples in difficult situations “slutty”.

I recently read an article that suicide rates are much higher in people who experienced troubled childhoods, including ever having been in foster care. I don’t think it is responsible to bring a baby into a terrible situation just to lose that person to suicide. There are worse things than never being born. Never being loved is one.

The people should retain whatever liberties they can unless there is a pressing need for the government to curtail them.

Letting the people start their families when they are ready by aborting babies ignores the personal responsibility of being serious enough to avoid getting pregnant in the first place until you’re ready. Once again, the more you speak, Jasper, the more you reveal your maturity and understanding of America, or lack of both.

But liberty is given to all citizens. We all have the right to free speech. Some will use it to uncover government corruption, others will sue it to make pornography or something. We can’t take away the rights of the responsible people just to stop the irresponsible ones.

Let the people be free to start their families when they are ready, and oppose government enforced tyranny!

Then the women would be forced to carry the children to term because the government would have to force their doctors not to treat them as they request.

If a woman wants to pay her own money and have her own doctor help her to do the right thing and wait until she can have a family, no Conservative should want the feds interfering with that.

Abortion laws were and should still be a local issue, and tied to the moral values and behavioral standards of the local population. Abortion was legal in several states before Roe, and would be legal in several states should Roe be overturned.

The FEDERAL Government should not be involved, but it is too hard for liberals to win arguments in multiple states so federal judicial fiat is the preferred liberal implementation methodology (the same methods are being applied to gun control legislation).

From a logic perspective, how is the federal government’s not funding abortions “forcing” women to carry babies? The federal government didn’t buy my house, so are they “forcing” me to be homeless? Personal responsibility is a high you need to experience – it will change your perspectives and your life!