The bulging vein queer lobby is determined to have their affliction declared to be normal. That’s an important driver behind “gay marriage”. They want the world to acclaim that being a homosexual is absolutely no different than being hetero. Queers are just as happy, just as successful, live as long, do not experience unusual psychological disorders, etc. But of course we know that isn’t true. Many, if not most, lead lives of quiet or angry desperation.

That is the root of the long and unsuccessful search for the “gay gene”. They want to prove that they were born that way, and that there isn’t a single homosexual anywhere anytime who has had the ability to change what natrue wrought.

And maybe they are right about it. Certainly, many in this country believe that to be true.

But what if they are wrong?

What if there is a trigger in early infancy that is innocently set off by those closest to the child? If it exists, what if we could educate people about it? Wouldn’t that mean that hundreds of millions of people for all eternity could NOT lead lives or quiet or loud desperation?

What if one of those poeple was your grandson or great grand daughter?

What would that be worth to you?

But they won’t have it. They have already stopped such research and seek to prevent it forever.

They seek to force the world to declare them normal through intimidation and anger..

One last analogy:

If someone tells you that they like to eat poop; that they enjoy the scent and taste of it; and they also add that “it’s their own business if we want to eat it or not” – and that they should be allowed to eat it and be able to declare it openly to all.

Can you convince them otherwise… that it’s sick?

No! …Absolutely not!

Eating the poop is merely distinctive of their belief system.
It’s their belief system that’s perverted; until they correct that it’s hopeless; and all your efforts in telling them that poop is not good to eat, are in vain. We are wasting our breath. (Keystrokes)

It is impossible for two divergent belief systems to unite and agree on anything.
In the end they both have to answer to their source.
But one thing is obviously clear… one is a lie, while the other is truth.
darkness and LIGHT cannot (and will not) EVER combine!

Whereas we believe in God and his perfect moral law.
They believe in self; and moral relativism.
God’s moral standards are perfect and reflect his eternal LOVE; for he is love.
…Justice is part of that love.

They’ve been working on that for about 40 years now with no success. The biological basis must be well-hidden. (The truth is, like virtually all human behaviours, it’s learned, but it happens so early in life that it is mostly irreversable, at least with current techniques. And the learning process is so complex that nobody even knows how to adjust the environmental factors that cause it. If people knew, the rate of homosexuality would drop precipitously.)

If you want to piss them off, go there immediately. Their heads explode.

But what then does that prove?

It proves their intense shame about their affliction, and that they seek desperately to justify it. If it was such a great thing, they would simply enjoy it, wouldn’t they? But of course, they don’t think it is such a great thing. Indeed, they hate themselves. (which is the primary reason to oppose the whole movement. Who wants their kids to hate themselves?)

Hence the anger that fuels not just the ridiculous “debate” about marriange, but much of the ultra-left hate agenda. Notice that racial minorities have little such hatred…..for them, it’s all about stealing your money, and they are fueled by demagogues not idealogues. As they get paid off, most minorities go silent

For the screaming mimmee queers, it’s deeply personal. They don’t just want to kill you, they want to destroy the world for punishing them so. Nothing can stop them. They didn’t pick marriage because they want rights, they picked it because they know that marriage is the treasured foundation of human civilization.

That is a great analogy, Icarus.

I believe this is the comment you are referencing, VMAN:

“’I don’t sperm (sic) was “meant” to do anything except fertilize an egg and contribute it’s genetic material to that effort. By your reasoning I would guess you would claim sperm wasn’t meant to swim around in a test tube either but it does.’

You have admitted that sperm is designed for a specific purpose. So, too, is the penis. A penis is designed to transfer the sperm and its genetic material to the ovum in the fallopian tubes during coitus. A penis is not designed for a rectum.

I don’t think ova can be found in a rectum, unless you’re talking about a bird’s cloaca, and even then, the bird is FEMALE.

Sure sperm can swim around in a test tube, but that’s not for what they were designed.”

I didn’t think Richard would be trapped by his own words, but he was. Anyway, he was great fun to debate. Had Richard continued, I was eventually going to talk about gay marriage. I mean, if there’s no biological basis for homosexuality, one shouldn’t even begin a discussion about gay marriage.

Assuming richard (or el polacko) has been married for 28 years (and I’ve no reason to assume otherwise), isn’t he getting a bit old for this kind of trite, juvenile crap?

The basis of their entire argument (singular, because they really only have one) can be summed up with “well, why not?” When a response is given, they blow it off as unsatisfactory to them with a little hand waving.

They equate their traditional marriage as being synonymous with two men (or women) playing house. Have you done much partner swapping? Engaged in casual encounters in airports or bathhouses with or without your wife’s consent? Ever bring home a venerial disease to your spouse? Do you think your relationship would be just as important to each of you if you did?

Do you have an argument for or against polygamy, or incest? What about adultery, or bestiality? How about child molestation, any reason why those should be lawful, or conversely not? Should these also be protected? Why?

Or is your answer “why not”?

So many of my thoughts and beliefs were expressed so well by my fellow S&Lers so I won’t repeat their comments.

However, whether you know it or not you revealed a lot about your inner self with that one small statement. You sound empty and sad. I can see why you can’t find anything sacred.

The only thing I will say here is that whether you want it or not you will be the prayers of many of us here.

If a “happy gay couple” wants to “register with the state,” then why does it have to be a marriage? Why not a civil union or cohabiting arrangement? You’re saying one thing but really looking for another.

Let’s say we have 2 fruit trees; one produces good fruit, for the farmer and for the village. This tree’s purpose was to produce good fruit for consumption. It does that, and is extremely productive; as it feeds the farmer and the village. There is nothing detestable about it.
And once its life has run its course; it will be seasoned and used to fuel fires in the villager’s homes. A purposeful and productive existence from start to finish.

A tree next to it produces little fruit and of the fruit that it does produce; not a single piece is edible. The tree is diseased and its fruit is and worm infested. Not even the squirrels or birds eat of it. In addition, the acrid stench of the decaying fruit burns the nostrils of the farmer when he comes to tend the orchard,; and sometimes even drifts over to the village.
Logically I think its obvious as to which tree should be loathed and cut down.

What purpose, production, and overall benefit to society does a homosexual lifestyle offer?
What good fruit does this lifestyle produce?
It’s neither natural nor logical… and we haven’t yet factored in God.
What’s its purpose other than self gratification? What does this (Lifestyle) produce?

Please do not attempt to substituent the homosexual lifestyle with a specific man/woman that practices that lifestyle – and who may be exceptional in his/her field… this can be applied to both sides. It’s the concept of homosexuality that we are examining.

On a side note: It’s utterly clear that Richard was the first to SPEW hate and recommend a suicide solution, to anyone who opposes his viewpoints?

Can you list the countries in the world don’t hold the normal tradition of man marrying woman. List the countries where man marrys man, woman marrys woman.

Gay people in America allready get equal rights and discriminatory protection.

el Popacko “anything less is not what america is all about.”

huh? anything less than what. what kind of equality within the civil law do you mean?

el Popacko “we are free to do whatever we want in our churches
(not so)

el Popacko “but when did the main tenet .. if not the ONLY tenet… of what many folks are calling christianity become being anti-gay ??

Christianity does not believe unnatural acts, such as man having sex with another man, nor woman making sex with another women. or sex with animals, group sex, any sex acts not considered normal.

el Poracko” why are people only upset about hate crimes legislation when it includes sexual orientation….”.

no one said they are only against hatecrimes laws to protect gays.
gays already have police protection and laws to protect them gays Gays allready get police protection. Gays have protection if their employer treats them differently, like less pay.

If you need to focus on a gay issue, maybe you could stop straight men or women from being raped by their own sex in prison. It’s barbaric.