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AP Poll: ‘Independents’ Sour on Democrats

From a deeply saddened Associated Press:

AP-GfK Poll: Independent voters sour on Democrats

By Alan Fram And Trevor Tompson, Associated Press Writers
August 15, 2010

WASHINGTON – Independents who embraced President Barack Obama’s call for change in 2008 are ready for a shift again, and that’s worrisome news for Democrats.

Only 32 percent of those citing no allegiance to either major party say they want Democrats to keep control of Congress in this November’s elections, according to combined results of recent Associated Press-GfK polls. That’s way down from the 52 percent of independents who backed Obama over Republican Sen. John McCain two years ago, and the 49 percent to 41 percent edge by which they preferred Democratic candidates for the House in that election, according to exit polls of voters.

Independents voice especially strong concerns about the economy, with 9 in 10 calling it a top problem and no other issue coming close, the analysis of the AP-GfK polls shows. While Democrats and Republicans rank the economy the No. 1 problem in similar numbers, they are nearly as worried about their No. 2 issues, health care for Democrats and terrorism for Republicans.

Ominously for Democrats, independents trust Republicans more on the economy by a modest but telling 42 percent to 36 percent. That’s bad news for the party that controls the White House and Congress at a time of near 10 percent unemployment and the slow economic recovery…

Reflecting these conflicting dynamics, today’s independents are likelier to be minorities, conservatives, less educated, lower paid and from rural areas than they were in 2008. Sixty-seven percent think the country is heading in the wrong direction, compared with 59 percent of all voters who think so…

Does the AP think ‘independents’ are getting dumber because they are trending anti-Democrat?

Come to think of it, maybe they are kind of slow. It didn’t just take a house to fall on the independents, to wake them up.

It took the House and the Senate and the Presidency.

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, August 15th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

12 Responses to “AP Poll: ‘Independents’ Sour on Democrats”

  1. proreason says:

    How can this be?

    After the emperor Stimulated the economy by transferring trillions in debt to young people (who mostly won’t be able to vote for decades, heh, heh), protected our health forever more by signing the death warrants of millions of (mostly white, heh, heh) senior citizens, saved the jobs and gold-plated pensions of millions of union workers. produced the Volt which can go 40 miles on a charge (under ideal conditions), helped us understand what racial politics is really all about, and apoligized to the world for our many sins.

    With so many accomplishments, how is is POSSIBLE that people have turned against him?

    • jobeth says:

      ” the Volt which can go 40 miles on a charge (under ideal conditions),”

      That claim is so ironically funny. ‘Wow…look at how much fossil fuel I’ve saved’

      I just want to shout, go check your electric bill dumbo!”
      How much fossil fuel did your utility have to expend for you to go all of 40 miles? Can’t wait till Obalmy’s ” My Cap and Trade Will Skyrocket Electricity Rates” sinks in.

      No matter though…at least the government saves road costs…That money could be better spent on another bank bailout or another GM takeover. Or better yet…Michelle and the kids need another get away…poor things.

      No one will be able to go anywhere…thus providing the added side benefit of killing commerce along our highways and byways…What’s not to love?

  2. jobeth says:

    “Ominously for Democrats, independents trust Republicans more on the economy by a modest but telling 42 percent to 36 percent.”

    Its mind boggling to me that there are STILL 36 percent that can’t see the truth.

    But I guess, if you add up all the parasites on the taxpayers…illegal aliens..and genuinely dense you might could get to that percentage…still that’s a lot of clueless people after all this country has had to endure in less than two years.

    • proreason says:

      “mind boggling”

      The 42 to 36 percent difference is highly encouraging, considering that 40 percent or so of the country pays no income taxes.

      It seems to mean that the there are some people living on gubamint benefits who still take the long view on the economy, and believe that “Pay to Playfor Votes” isn’t good for the country or themselves.

      Could be wrong about that, but I’m choosing to take an optimistic view about it.

      And btw, the perjorative “gubamint benefits” EXCLUDES Social Security, Medicare, unemployment compensation and any other payment from the government that people pay for directly.

      Those aren’t “benefits”, they are a return of payment.

      “Gubamint Benefits” are things like welfare, tax credits that put money in somebody’s pockets, Medicaid, medical care for illegal aliens, and other government money that the individual doesn’t pay for in some form.

      I’m tired of libwits arguing that conservatives are hypocrits if they don’t volunteer to surrender Social Security. It’s a childish argument. Nobody should EVER let it stand.

      Separately, SS, Medicare, and unemployment compensation need to be restructured to be self-sustaining. But that’s a separate issue.

    • jobeth says:

      Pro…you’re right…and I’m glad you are taking a half full view of the poll. I’ve just been in a really sarcastic mood lately watching all the astoundingly obvious stuff being ignored by some of the citizenry.

      And I also agree there are those who, for a multitude of reasons find themselves having to make use of the temporary safety net we have here, still support the long view and see what is important. I’m not talking about them. I know they are there…was one myself at one time.

      While I am taking heart that the poll result is really a good thing…in my conservative mind I just want it to be higher, But as you said…its a good thing.

      I also FULLY agree with your comments on SS, Medicare and Unemployment…(especially for those who lost their jobs with no chance of another because of boy king) They are paid for by us and our employers. Those are not freebies and couldn’t be available to us if we/our employers hadn’t paid into them. And they do need restructured.

      Sooo…said all this to say…I think you are right…but I do wish it was a higher percentage. Of course wishes and a two bucks, fifty will get you a cup of coffee. :-D

      Thanks for reminding me to take a less pessimistic attitude…I need that sometimes..;-D

    • tranquil.night says:

      As a 24 year old who’s contributed a grand total of just over $1k to Social Security, I have no problem with that money going towards an immediate bailout of SS to make it soluble until all obligations are paid out, and then discontinuing it. Or I really liked Bush’s privatization plan actually. Why didn’t it get passed?

      “OH there’s no problem with Social Security’s immediate fiscal health. You want to take people’s safety net away for a problem twenty years from now.”

      Yeah, just like we still got a long way to go until we’re Greece and there’s no deficit threat, ingrates like Union Kingpin Trumka say.

      Do not trouble yourself to the point of sadness, Jo. This is the day the Lord hath made. Rejoice and be glad because each one is a new opportunity to speak truth to lies in the most advanced and free forum in the world. People do embrace the Good News when they hear it.. and all the signs show that people are hearing it. Evil and destructive times may come, but love and truth will reign supreme in the end. If you will forgive my preaching, just remember to always keep your faith as your guiding star and you won’t ever be conquered.

    • jobeth says:

      TN, Thanks for your caring words. For being such a young guy, you are certainly wise beyond your years…and give faith for the future to an awfully lot of us. Being a Christian is a large part of the wisdom…Thank God.

      As far as SS is concerned…as Pro pointed out…that’s a paid for program. Not a wise one…but paid for.

      If Washington han’t used the fund for it’s private savings account to borrow from year after year and had instead even just put it in a simple interest accout and had left it alone…it would have been in MUCH better shape for us and even for your generation. Shame.

      Your generation is going to bare the brunt of a large amount of this stuff. And to be sure…its not only our current boy king and pals who have done it. Its from years and years of both parties robbing us.

    • Right of the People says:


      I fully understand your point of view and have numerous times pointed out to my wife if instead of SS I had been able to take that money I’ve paid into for the last 40 some odd years and put it in a simple savings account we would have more than enough to retire in style.

      Unfortunately we were forced to pay into this government run travesty and have only saved about 20% of what we could have using the other scenario. We now have to depend on getting at least something from SS so we don’t have to eat dog food when we retire.

      I know it sucks for your generation but hopefully we can turn things around in your lifetime if not mine.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Jo and RotP – thank you so much for your kind words and concerned thoughts. Rest assured, those classes called economics and government which are glossed over in the Public Babysitting Institution are now being learned the hard way for countless numbers of my generation. We have our years ahead of us to fix this mess and learn why Government can’t be trusted to handle this responsibility.

      It is those who’ve had their lifetime retirements and contractual expections when it comes to SS obliterated for whom my heart breaks and who must be righted. Reform must still honor the Government’s promise to these people.

    • proreason says:

      SS isn’t a very big financial issue and it will certainly continue to exist unless Obamy gets his way and destroys the country.

      The program can be easily adjusted to that people in the future can retire with the approximate payouts of today. But people will have to retire later in life because lifespans have continually increased since the program was initiated. Which makes perfect sense.

      But I wouldn’t be surpised to learn that the eveil geniuses behind progressivism have calculated that by implementing Obamycare, people will die earlier, and that will make SS solvent without having to adjust retirement ages. I also suspect that the progressives have calculated the payout blacks get and determined that SS is “unfair” because more goes to white. Of course, they would ignore that whites live longer and earn more.

      The real financial issue the country faces is Medicare (and Medicaid). But Paul Ryan has figured that out as well. Medicare has a fundamental assumption that guarantees bankruptcy. There is no cap on benefits. So if somebody invents a way to make people live an additional 10 years, but it costs a million dollars per person, Medicare goes belly up the moment the fountain of youth is announced.

      The only way to fix Medicare is to cap the benefit, and as Ryan says, the answer is a fixed benefit amount that people must use to buy insurance.

      People will argue that is a form of rationing, but that is a like arguing that the Jews could have done a better job placating Hitler. Maybe they could have. The holocaust would still have happened though.

      You see, it does no good for everyone to have uncapped benefits if there is no money to pay for the benefits.

      At least changing the benefit to be an insurance premium would salvage the program. It would also allow the free market to work its magic. Personally, I think that solution is as inevitable as raising the retirement age of Social Security.

      A quick and easy way to understand both problems, and both solutions is this: no program can endure with uncapped payouts. The only way is to make the payouts match the income.

      The country has been lucky since the 1930’s because the population was growing and the wealth of the country was growing. This created the impression that there wasn’t a problem. But it really was a Ponzi scheme. We can face reality and change the programs to fit life as it is instead of life as the liberals imagine it to be, or go out of business as a country and plunge 300 million people into poverty that this country has never seen.

    • jobeth says:

      Pro, your observations of Medicare are right on the money.

      As to the cap, that’s what the donut hole is all about yet it still pays for catastrophic. There truly is a time, sometimes, when comfort care only is a good choice for a person at their end of life, but sometimes for the more viable, those bills get so high any normal person couldn’t pay it. Most of us, thank God, will never come to this…but some do.

      But is should come with premiums paid for by the policy holder. You shouldn’t have to pay for my insurance.

      I chose to pay extra for my Advantage Plan. It serves me better and takes some of the cost off Medicare and yet Obama wants to take Advantage Plans away. (All the better to kill oldies and the American health care)

      I think we should develop more Advantage type plans.

      With co-pays..I don’t pay much for my Dr office visits…but not only would I be willing, I think we should have to pay our own primary Dr’s base fee.

      Our health insurance should be for major medical only. The life saving stuff, and if we want a more “Cadillac” plan we should pay a higher premium for it.

      When people have to pay something up front they are less likely to run in for sniffles. There are those who love the attention they get from seeing a doctor..but not if they have to pay for it.

      My routine care had me going in about 4X a year just for my refills. Lately my doctor has written my prescriptions for 90 days with one refill…of which I still pay 3 co-pays for each med..but that means I only go in every 6 mo. for routine visits. Of course if I need to I can still go in, in between. It works out best for both of us.

      It saves me money and it clears his office for patients who need evaluation.

      Being medically back-grounded, I have a slew of ideas on how the government and health care concerns could save money and still we as individuals and hospitals could get and provide excellent care. Most of us who understand this issue could come up with excellent ideas.

      But of course this Obama care is just another sham to hurt America and Americans by a progressive left who wants to destroy us all.

      SS also has solutions that a smart group of people could work out.

      I hate looking at my kids knowing that they will be entering their old age in the future without enough time to get ready after the mandated rugs have been ripped out from under them. (my oldest will be 50 soon)

      And they hate to know that if Obama gets his way, they will have to watch us “get the pill” to send us off into lala land just to save a few dollars for the government.

      Thankfully,things are happening right now that give us on the right a lot of hope for the future. I will continue to be on my knees praying for our country.

  3. confucius says:

    According to this poll, the majority of voting independents are retarded with 32% suffering from a severe and intractable form and 20% from a mild but reversible form.

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