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From those defenders of outrageous racism and anti-Americanism at the Associated Press:
Obama found a home in his church
By KAREN HAWKINS and CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writers
CHICAGO - A young Barack Obama was searching for answers, and perhaps a place to belong, when he decided to visit a fast-growing church recommended by friends. What he heard left him in tears.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached that day about suffering — about the seemingly endless problems of the world and of individuals. But he also talked about the importance of hope, the audacity of believing things can be made better.
"Hope is what saves us," Wright said.
That message moved Obama to embrace Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its philosophy of translating faith into action. But it’s a side of Wright that has been overshadowed by his inflammatory remarks about everything from race relations to the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
The furor over Wright’s remarks has provoked the greatest crisis for Obama’s presidential campaign thus far, but Obama has refused to leave Trinity or sever his ties with Wright, saying there is much more to Wright and the church.
Asked Wednesday on MSNBC’s "Hardball" if he thought the questions about his relationship with Wright were unfair, Obama said: "I think that’s fair game in the sense that what my former pastor said was offensive. I think that in politics, whether I was white, black, Hispanic or Asian, somebody would be trying to use it against me. I do think that it is important to keep things in perspective."
Trinity is a predominantly black congregation in a mainline, mostly white denomination — the United Church of Christ. Its 8,000 members include politicians, doctors, lawyers and other leaders on Chicago’s South Side.
The rapper Common, the former director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, the former director of the state Department of Professional Regulation, and at least one state representative are members of the church. Oprah Winfrey has attended services there.
The church offers a long list of services — housing and employment programs, scholarships, a ministry to people with HIV/AIDS — that mesh well with Obama’s political philosophy.
"It’s his deep faith in God and his desire to be an agent of change in the world. That’s kind of the Trinity mantra," said the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a priest at a South Side Roman Catholic church.
Obama, 46, eventually joined Trinity and was baptized there. Wright performed his wedding ceremony and baptized Obama’s two daughters. Years later, he took the theme of Wright’s sermon as the title for a book, "The Audacity of Hope."
Most Americans know Wright only from video excerpts of sermons in which he says God should damn the United States for its racism, accuses the government of spreading AIDS and suggests the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were retribution for the country’s past wrongs. Obama’s long connection with Wright has raised doubts among some voters about Obama’s beliefs and judgment.
His Democratic rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said she would have left the church if it had been her pastor saying such things. Obama denounced the most inflammatory of Wright’s comments, which he said he didn’t know about until recently. But he acknowledges, without providing any detail, hearing Wright make other controversial remarks.
In response the controversy generated by Wright’s remarks, leaders of the national United Church of Christ and the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA are calling for a nationwide "sacred conversation" about race. United Church of Christ leaders are also asking ministers in the church’s 5,700 congregations, seminaries and other ministry settings to preach about race on Sunday, May 18.
Obama argues it would be wrong for people to judge Wright solely on a handful of remarks. He has tried to place Wright’s comments in the context of anger from a black man who came of age in a time of segregation and civil rights turmoil.
In his first book, "Dreams from My Father," which includes Obama’s account of his tearful visit to Trinity, Obama described the impact of working closely with South Side churches as a community organizer in the late 1980s. A religious skeptic, he was moved by their devotion and by the support that churches provided their members.
Friends urged Obama to consider joining a church, often mentioning Trinity. Mike Kruglik, a co-worker at the time, said joining helped Obama connect to the local pastors who were vital to his organizing efforts and that Trinity, where many professionals were doing community work, was a logical choice.
"It was very well within the mainstream of the community. It wasn’t radical at all," said John Owens, another organizer who worked with Obama at the time.
Jerry Kellman, who hired Obama as a community organizer and is now a lay minister for Chicago’s Catholic archdiocese, said Trinity offered a kind of home for Obama, particularly after he got engaged and was planning a family. Its members ranged from the wealthy and well-educated to families just scraping by, he said.
"When Barack joined the church, he wasn’t giving his allegiance to Wright. He was joining a community," Kellman said.
Trinity, like other United Church of Christ churches, relies heavily on the membership to make decisions through boards and committees, he added. Even as senior pastor, Wright did not single-handedly control Trinity’s direction.
Trinity was an early leader in ministering to people with HIV and AIDS. It offers housing and employment programs to people in need. It has scholarship programs and services for cancer patients, domestic abuse victims, drug addicts and more.
Members are expected to volunteer for one or more of these ministries. They usually announce their choice on the same day they’re baptized, said Jane Fisler Hoffman, a United Church of Christ minister who joined Trinity.
"There’s this kind of constant encouragement to live your faith, learn your faith," she said.
The church proclaims itself "unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian." It supports charity work in Africa, gives some of its ministries Swahili names, uses Africa-themed decorations.
People familiar with Trinity compare its emphasis on African culture to the way some Catholic churches play up Irish or Italian roots. And they emphatically reject the accusations in widely circulated e-mails that the church is separatist or turns away white members.
"That’s such a bunch of hooey," said Hoffman, who is white.
She tells the story of a group of young Germans visiting the church. Wright met with them before the service and prayed with them in German, she said. Later, he delivered part of his sermon in German and the choir sang in German.
"To me, it’s a testimony that this is not a church that rejects people of other cultures and races," she said.
She and others say Wright is far from the hothead he may appear to be in video excerpts. They describe him as a serious biblical scholar who thinks carefully about issues.
"Wright is one of the most respected pastors in the African-American church in the United States," said Kellman, who nevertheless says Wright "blew it" in a few sermons.
Pfleger, one of Chicago’s most outspoken members of the clergy, said Wright and Obama are similar in their intellectual approach. "They examine things, they study things. They are not quick to make judgments," he said.
Wright’s sermons, even when they included strong critiques of racism and inequality in America, were always grounded in the Bible, church members said. Wright sometimes used harsh, painful language, his supporters acknowledge, but mostly he was well within a black tradition of emotional, social commentary.
"It’s just speaking a different language to a slightly different culture," said Dwight Hopkins, a Trinity member and a theology professor at the University of Chicago, "and I can see how someone in the suburbs in the high Episcopal church would see those snippets as angry."
There are lies, there are damnable lies, and then there are articles from the Associated Press.
Luckily, regular readers of this site will easily recognize that this piece is nothing but mendacity from top to bottom.
Starting with:
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preached that day about suffering — about the seemingly endless problems of the world and of individuals.
For here is what Mr. Wright actually said that so impressed Mr. Obama:
“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”
You see, it’s all about "hope."
Alas, this is what passes for journalism in the 21st Century.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Well, that settles it then, Jeremiah Wright for Pope!
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Here is an article that everyone needs to read about Obama’s connection to the Palestinian movement.
http://canadafreepress.com
It is the third article on their home page below the Hanoi Jane story and The Man Who Wasn’t there.. (Sorry I can’t link to it)
We know that Mark Levin reads this blog. Hopefully he will inform the nation of the danger that Obamassiah poses.
What kind of man is willing to throw his race for the presidency to the wolves in order to defend his lunatic minister when he was willing to throw his own grandmother under the bus? Why is there such loyalty there?
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
This may have been brought up before, but I think we ought to be careful in dealing with the Obama church issue. If there are to be no religious test for office then regardless of how wrong we think this church is, that issue should not be used against a candidate. If we as conservatives balk at the media treatment of Romney’s Mormonism then let’s not be hypocritical with Obama. Liberals spew enough hypocrisy for everyone without the moral party digging in.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
“This may have been brought up before, but I think we ought to be careful in dealing with the Obama church issue. If there are to be no religious test for office then regardless of how wrong we think this church is, that issue should not be used against a candidate. If we as conservatives balk at the media treatment of Romney’s Mormonism then let’s not be hypocritical with Obama.”
It’s not Mr. Wright’s religion (whatever that is) that is the problem.
It is his outrageous hatred of this country and his stupendous racism.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
SG writes… “It’s not Mr. Wright’s religion (whatever that is) that is the problem.”
“It is his outrageous hatred of this country and his stupendous racism.”
It’s that and the judgement of Obama. He chose this church and it follows that he agrees with everything the good pastor said.
I could care less what religion he is as long as he’s not trying to impose it on us….but he is.
His religion is liberalism and he will impose it on us if elected.
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Retire05, I hope I got the Link right.
“However, without losing a beat, an article has appeared on the ISM affiliated website Electronic Intifada (EI) by one of its co-founders, Ali Abunimah, in which Abumimah recounts his close past working relationship with Obama prior to the presidential campaign and how Abunimah believes Obama is merely giving lip service to the Jewish community to get elected, and that once in office he will work for the Palestinian cause. Abunimah lists himself and is mentioned in subsequent Obama articles in the mainstream press merely as a “Palestinian activist.” Abunimah insists that Obama will “come around” once elected. ”
Apparently most of Obama’s advisers are anti Jewish, so I have no idea how he could convince anyone who believed Israel should exist to vote for him.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
pager, you got it wright (play on words, here).
Obama is an unknown quantity. And the more we learn about him, the more dangerous he will seem. And don’t kid yourself, this guy is dangerous. We here in Texas saw how he intends to win with the shananigans that went on during last weekend’s Texas caucuses. Hillary won the propular vote but lo! and behold, Obama took the majority of delegates. If Hillary doens’t challange that in the courts she is nuts and really doesn’t want to take the nomination. It was pure Chicago politics at it’s worst.
Debbie Shussel (sp?) is reporting that Obama still has two Nation of Islam members working in high positions on his staff.
I hope to hell all this crap comes out about him before the general election.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Pagar: The link worked, and I forwarded that article to a good chunk of my friends.
I swear, if Barack Hussein “Osama” Obama gets in, the western world is sunk!
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Sharps Rifle say,s I swear, if Barack Hussein “Osama” Obama gets in, the western world is sunk!
Excatly his name alone sends up more flags than a Navy air traffic controller. An now the church he attends just loves lois farrakhan an has a preacher that spews hate sermons about the very Country that they live in… I guess if it quacks an walks and flys like a duck. It must be a chicken… Once again i repeat myself “Ears that Hear An Eyes that See” I do hope the great people of this nation dont elect this man. He is just wrong for the job on every level…
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
-’nd I can see how someone in the suburbs in the high Episcopal church would see those snippets as angry.-’
I am not a ‘high’ Episcopal, I do however live in the suburbs (my youngest calls them the slums of Cincinnati - gives you an idea of how ritzy we live) - I see them as anti-American, racist, angry, an abomination of the words Reverand, Christian and church and down right ugly. . .
What a bunch of hypocritical, appeasing twits. And racists.
And I agree wholeheartedly with SG and others here - we do not care what Barry’s religion is and are not attacking it - we are concerned with his judgement, his truthfulness and possible racist attitude in that he will not denounce (not-so-right) Reverand Wright’s statements.
April 3rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
pager - I went and read that - would this be a good time to bring up that a ‘negoiated’ 7 year ‘peace’ in the Middle east is the first sign of the anti-Christ and/or end times, armageddon
Wouldn’t that be a hoot - a African-(non) American!?! Don’t forget - the AC will also be ’seen’ as someone who can bring everyone ‘together’.
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:37 pm
wardmama says…. “would this be a good time to bring up that a ‘negoiated’ 7 year ‘peace’ in the Middle east is the first sign of the anti-Christ and/or end times, armageddon
Wouldn’t that be a hoot - a African-(non) American!?! Don’t forget - the AC will also be ’seen’ as someone who can bring everyone ‘together’.
I’m paying close attention to this. Theologians believe he will rise out of the European union as leader of the final rise of the Roman Empire. He will combine religion, Money and power in one office. I have noticed that Tony Blair is running for president of the EU and is also a lead negotiator in middle east talks and now works for CitiBank……
And he just annouced he’s a devout Christian.
There, I put it out there. I’m just pointing out what I see. Take it as you will.
As for Obama….well, nothings impossible and there’s always the False Prophet job that’s got to be filled.
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Pointing out the flaws that are present in this country does not mean you hate this country. Is it not possible to completly disagree with the direction that this country is going in without conservatives foaming about the mouth that this person hates this country. It seems that if one is critical of this country than you are un-patriotic. Why is that? Just because your child does fcuked up things doesn’t make you love them any less. America is not perfect and it is patriotic to want her to be better.
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:46 pm
….”Just because your child does fcuked up things doesn’t make you love them any less….”
No, but just because you love them doesn’t make what they’ve done any less
f***ed up, either.
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
God damn America is not ‘pointing out the flaws’ and yes it does imply hatred.
Disagree with the direction - you have got to be kidding - what?when?where?and why? - America is one of the most free countries of the World, a place of unlimited opportunities and oh btw - look at how many people (and from all parts of the World) are attempting legally and illegally to get here.
Name me another country that daily - take that back hundreds of times daily - people flee their home country and RISK their lives - just for a chance to get here. Only in America do the ‘poor’ have a roof over their head, indoor plumbing and electricity.
Criticism is one thing - damning one’s own country is un-patriotic. And hateful. No matter how you cut it.
And speaking of children - one does not raise them to be caring, compassionate, educated, patriotic and contributing citizens of a country by pointing out every thing they do wrong every time you talk about them in public, damning them (again in public) and never, it seems mentioning all the good they do - while twisting, distorting and out right lying about their history. No wonder you all hate America and others - you all hate yourselves - it is all you hear and are taught. What a shame.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
C’mon Doc. What are you talking about? Just about everyone complains about what’s wrong with our country and it mainly boils down to liberals. Liberals are what’s wrong with our country.
Anybody who leaks national security secrets and war plans to the NYT hates this country.
Anyone who compares our brave soilders Nazis and Pol Pot hates this country.
Anyone who would insist their city officials to not enforce immigration law hates our country.
Anyone who claims we’re torturing prisoners hates our country.
Anyone who would stand in front of a military recruitment center and scream they’re baby killers hates our country.
Anyone who tries to hoax the whole world with global warming fears and try to ruin our economy just to line their pockets hates our country.
Anyone who won’t allow us to drill for our own oil while all the while screaming we need to get off foreign oil hates our country.
Anyone who is responsible for the death of thousands just for political gain hates our country.
Anyone willing to give our sovereignty to the UN hates our country.
Anyone who throws his grandmother under Rosa Parks’ bus just to defend a racist pastor hates our country.
Anyone willing to allow the murder of 43,000,000 unborn children hates this country.
Need I go On?
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Noyzmakr
That list just summed up all these fine senators running for president. Ugg!
Liberals are profoundly blind. When they consistently hate (I mean “point out”) everything that makes a our country what it is, I’m pretty sure that calls their patriotism into question.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The problem that people have with the words of Rev Wright is not just that. They have a problem with Sen Obama maybe winning in November. Everything that Rev Wright said about AIDS is common to what black people have been saying in our neighborhood for years. No one ever questions George Bush and other so-called Christians about calling themselves “Christians” yet they believe in “capital punishment” and sending troops to kill other people. What kind of Christians are you?
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
In reply to “wardmama and noyzmakr” about the “Anti-Christ”. First and foremost. You must know what the bible actually say about the AC. I also noticed the African “Non” American quote. White people choose to call black people African American because they will never accept black people as simply American. No one call white people European American do they? It is people like you, George Bush, Sean Hannity, and other idiots are the reasons that you can no longer go anywhere in the world and feel safe anymore being from the US.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Who’s turn is it to make the popcorn? I did it the last time.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Who invited the troll in? Not a particularly bright one either I see.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm
jenrette
“Everything that Rev Wright said about AIDS is common to what black people have been saying in our neighborhood for years.”
But do you believe this? If you do, I haven’t heard how this is explained yet and would be anxious to listen.
BTW, capital punishment is used in extreme cases and your welcome to rent a room to the folks on death row. Also, why do liberals even feel sorry for an egregious sinner when they have no problem aborting the life of a sinless victim?
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 pm
God Damn America….
Now that is a Christian blacks can understand, right jenette?
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
“What kind of Christians are you?”
A religious person I am not, but I don’t have to thump a book to know right from wrong or to see things as they are in reality.
I have however been called a hypocrite for supporting the death penalty and decrying abortion by people who support abortion and decry the death penalty, Irony is lost on myopic people.
You wanna know the difference? One is guilty of a crime and one is not, An unborn child has never wronged a single life other than some who think that their actions should never have repercussions, So they kill the child before it ever takes its first breath independent of mother.
Oh but a mass murderer like Charles Manson, They line up and scream, You can’t kill that poor man, He just needs understanding and compassion.
We lock up murderers not to reform them, But to keep them from preying on society, We ask for the death penalty and seldom see it, So guess what, They are tossed into the general prison population,
Now Mr. murderer is left to play with a new captive audience.
People point their smug little fingers and sneer, You have to pay to incarcerate that man for the rest of his natural life and then freak when they find promiscuity has found them with an unwanted pregnancy that they will terminate with not so much as a second thought because of the financial burdens.
Thats the kind of people I call two faced.
Yes I support killing when I see its justified, I won’t deny that fact.
Hitler, Ted Bundy, Stalin and a long list of others should have seen the gallows and I am tired of liberals snuggling up to their likes, you wanna pay for them, Well that’s fine by me, Open your wallet and quit thinking you have a right to reach in mine.
Now let me guess, Are we to send troops to Rwanda?
Well if we don’t we will be accused of permitting genocide, And if we do the same accusers will yell fascists, murderers, warmongers.
Lets just keep our troops home and send an FTD f***ing florist, Will that fix it for you?
In the Bible the jaw bone of an ass is used to kill, Now all I hear is jaw boning by a bunch of asses.
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
“White people choose to call black people African American because they will never accept black people as simply American”
We do? I must be confused, Because no black in America ever tosses their heritage in front of America, WRight?
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
White people choose to call black people African American because they will never accept black people as simply American.
I call the black folks I know personaly, Friend.
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:50 pm
You know jenrette, I would love to spend time ripping your arguments to shreds, but honestly I think it would go right over your head so I’m not going to waste my time.
Just take this little lesson with you. Blacks have chosen what they wanted to be called in this country ever since they felt some need to do so to assert some kind of independence from the rest of us Americans. They never have wanted to be just Americans…..
Let me see….the history of what blacks have DEMANDED to be called in America.
Black
Colored
Black
Afro-American
Black
African-American
I’m waiting for the day when blacks demand to be called Americans and sadly I don’t see that day coming anytime soon.
(rrrrrriiiiinnnnnnngggggg) class dismissed…..
April 4th, 2008 at 12:01 am
“White people choose to call black people African American”
You know what jenrette, I find it ridiculous that we have to refer to each other by color names at all. I’d rather say fellow American, or as 1st says, “friend”. I find it insulting that you call us “white”. Paper is white, I am not white. What is coming to this website and insulting us going to accomplish anyway?
(Just a thought. Then why don’t we call Mexicans, Browns?????)
We can agree to disagree on this one drdobgyn. I’ve thought a lot about Pastor Wright’s comments and have come to the conclusion that while I am not in the position to judge him but, by golly, I can be offended. And I am. He opened up the race dialogue and then tells us we are racists if we try to engage in a conversation. Do you know what type of frustration and knee jerk reaction that that type of attitude causes. If we don’t talk out and resolve the race issue, it will rip this Country apart by the seams and that is just not right. It reminds me of a parent that says, do as I say not as I do. Not a Pastor that is suppose to be teaching Christianity and the Bible.
Now, because we are not allowed to enter into any real discussions ……………. we continue with our story today, the Obama saga with “Obama found a home in his church”……… cue up the “days of Our Lives” soap opera music. (oh darn, I’ve run out of popcorn again.) :-)
April 4th, 2008 at 12:25 am
IMHO I think the real problem is we never stop talking about race in this country. If everyone would just let it go I think it would fade away.
EDIT: The more we continue to point out each others differences the further apart we grow. You don’t see Asians running around screaming about what they want to be called. They’re too busy working to better their lives and that of the next generation. I think others in this country could learn something from that. Hint. Hint…
texaspsue
The point about why we don’t call Mexicans browns was brilliant.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:45 am
TO NOYZMAKR
In reference to your conversation may be above my head, why don’t you research my name and who I am by using “Google” search and then you will see that your conversation would only be above your head. I’ve been a judge since 1982.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:51 am
TO: texaspsue
I wasn’t commenting to offend you. Please remember two things are sure. Those individuals or groups of people calling themselves Muslim in Irag are not Muslim. The Koran say also say “Thou shall not kill”. Those people in Irag calling themselves Christians are not Christians. The Bible say “Thou shall not kill”. Let’s be frank. People have become pawns of the world governments. Why dont the so-called leaders of the world fight wars if they truly believe they are right?
April 4th, 2008 at 1:59 am
TO: Noyzmkr
How would you know what Asians think? Do you attend their gathering daily?
April 4th, 2008 at 2:36 am
My gosh, crap load of jenrette’s. Which one be you? Disgraced congress critter? Out of work actress? Playboy model?
Yep, all those impress the crap outa me.
The bible “say also say” “Thou shalt not kill”, but folks been doing it for millenium. A whole bunch of the folks on this site are ex-or current military and police officers. If that is the writ in stone then a whole lot of us have sinned. However, since the good Lord himself, in the Bible, tells the Israelites to wack up on a whole bunch a people, I do breath a sigh of relief for my soul.
Like I’ve said before, won’t know ’til I’m dead. In the mean time just doing the best I can with this meager brain and body the Lord hath given me. By the way, it wasn’t Christians the God of the Old Testament was telling to whack up on folks, it was Israelites…Jews. The same Jews and Israelites that your liberal buds keep trying to sell down the river. For your type it just ain’t a great century unless someone is killing off people of the Jewish faith.
What people are “pawns” of world government? Soldiers and government officials are the only folks I think “pawns” would apply. We do as told to do by our government. Just like anyone in any job is a “pawn” to their boss. But unlike Rocky the Forklift operator, I can’t just tell my boss “no, I ain’t gonna do it” (unless of course what he tells me to do is illegal based on current law… not what a bunch of left wingers THINK is illegal). Telling my boss no could get me some prison time, loss of a whole bunch of wages, loss of rank.
Asians got a daily gathering? Wow, where is it? Blacks, hispanics, too? Crap, what we white folks miss out on being a minority.
April 4th, 2008 at 2:56 am
jenrette says…. “In reference to your conversation may be above my head, why don’t you research my name and who I am by using “Google” search and then you will see that your conversation would only be above your head. I’ve been a judge since 1982.’”
Well “your honor” (I use that term loosely), it was your suggestion. Are you this judge Jenrette?
I’m not impressed. In fact, I’m disgusted.
That’s the only judge Jenrette I see. If that’s the case then I was wrong. My arguments might not be over your head, but they are above your ethics.
jenrette says… “Why dont the so-called leaders of the world fight wars if they truly believe they are right?”
The same reason judges don’t go out and arrest criminals. It’s called “delegation of authority” and people in the military volunteered and follow orders.
Why don’t you go out and risk your life to enforce the law like police officers do everyday?
jenrette says…. “How would you know what Asians think? Do you attend their gathering daily?’
Unlike your elitists ass, I actually talk to people and listen to what they say without looking down my nose at them.
You sound mighty defensive “your honor”. Feds got ya down?
April 4th, 2008 at 3:12 am
@jenrette - This may be a bit off topic, but you seem to exemplify one of the things that frustrates me most about the Democrat party. Consider: “How would you know what Asians think?” Do you notice the implicit assumption that “Asians” are this mass, undifferentiated block? That they all think the same thing? They do the same thing with blacks. They talk about “black issues” and “the black vote”, as though there were just one black person in the entire country. Truthfully, though, the one that gets my blood boiling is “women’s issues”. Abortion, for instance, is a “woman’s issue”, as though all of us feel exactly the same way about it and who gives a damn how men feel. Honey, just like “Asians” and “blacks” and “Jews” and any other group you can name, we’re all individuals. Treating me as “just another woman”, and making the assumption that what I think and care about is exactly the same as what texaspsue thinks and cares about reduces me to a mindless automaton, just another cog on the wheel, and that makes me livid. If you are, in fact, a judge, then I can see how you’d develop that opinion. Your job, in so far as it doesn’t primarily pertain to maintaining the power of judges and the incomes of lawyers, is to cut everyone down to fit the Procrustean bed of your idea of what the law should be. That’s one of the reasons your profession is generally considered less trustworthy than used car salesmen. Trust me, though - every time you make a sweeping statement about “what Asians think”, you betray not only your own intellectual laziness but your overarching contempt for anyone who happens to hold opinions or a lifestyle different from yours, your vaunted “tolerance” notwithstanding.
*sigh* /flame
April 4th, 2008 at 3:37 am
Damn “your honor”. Why did you and your wife “R” donate $4,600 to Bill Richardson’s campaign?
And then $1000 to Edwards? Obama not “white” enough for ya?
How is Ocean Blvd in Myrtle Beach these days?
Tell Katherine I hope she wins her election. I’m sure her ethics are better than yours.
http://www.jenerette.com/senat.....50206.html
I can go on……..
April 4th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Okay, that does it. I’m changing my handle to Reagan, just so you all know who’s writing this.
Yea, I know. I’m a dead guy… but I still have more functioning brain cells than jenrette. And I’m a much better communicator. Heck, folks once called me the Great Communicator. I was never impeached, or jailed, and me & Nancy got along real well together. We loved each other oodles. The heck with doing it behind the pillars of the Capitol Building. Nancy and I did it in the WHITE HOUSE! Do you know how many bedrooms it has? Yep, me and my girl, in each and everyone of them. For eight! (count ‘em) EIGHT years. Who da man? Ron the Man! Who da man? Ron the Man!
No offense to those of you who, like me, loved Ron the Great. Just a bit of sarcasm. Is Dimwitjenrette really who it is making itself out to be? If so, gotta give him credit for big ‘uns, or stupidity.
Ron was the Greatest. “Ya know that war against Muslim extremisim? What if we win it?” He’d be saying it today if he were with us.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:37 am
I find it hard to believe a judge would write so poorly. Not only does “jenrette” use poor grammar, but he/she has a difficult time expressing themselves in a coherent fashion. It’s “Iraq” not “Irag”. Just call me the “Queen of Sheba”.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Noyz it would seem that conservatives find nothing wrong in this country. It seems that conservatives feel that only liberals are the problem. Other than liberals do you find anything about this country that you have an issue with?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Ah shucks and damn - I’ve come to the party late again (darn that sobriety, keeps me from having all the fun). . .
No dr d - Conservatives find things wrong with America:
That liberals & foaming at the mouth bds’ers have made the GWOT a long dragged out, lied and distorted about War
That we are paying outragious taxes so that people can sit on their collective butts and complain about their lives
That criminals are 1) given more appeals and consideration than any innocent baby ever is, 2) waste more taxpayer money for people who intentionally and willfully break the law, 3) have become more important than the Law, than their victim(s) and more importantly than Society
That liberals, while screaming to the roof tops about the ‘totalitarianism’ of the conservative side of the house - want to force all people of this country to 1) pay higher taxes, use specific ____(fill in the blank - cars, lightbulbs, heat/air systems, housing materials etc, etc), change our way of life/living (or be punished financially) - based on a ’science’ that is A) still questionable/in dispute, B) whose chief champions do not do self same things they want to impose on the rest of humanity, C) maybe a hoax/scam/lie and has a hoax/scam/lie as the ‘moral’ out for those champions,2) pay higher taxes to support/encourage more people to violate our borders/immigration laws/laws and sovereignty and encourage treason and sedition by continuing to encourage and support people/groups/organizations/cities/and states that encourage and enable such criminal illegal immigration, 3) ignore and/or simply justify criminal and immoral behavior among their political party and other civic leaders, 4) force all Americans to use taxpayer funds to A) support, encourage and pay for abortion - whether that person morally or for other reasons does not support and/or believe in abortion, B) support, encourage and pay for embryonic stem cell research - whether that person does not support and/or believe in embryonic stem cell research; 5) force all Americans via the Congress, to pay for wasteful hearings (1 is ok, 300 is over the top) to rehash lies, distortions and pure utter drivel to be able to keep liberal talking points in the msm - while choosing to not accomplish anything of merit with those tax dollars to acutally help/better the lives of the Americans who paid those tax dollars - Just for example. . .
I do not feel that ONLY liberals are the problem - as Lurkin pointed out - Conservatives who no longer deserve to call themselves that, who have sold out to ‘moderate,’ ‘centrist,’ and outright ‘liberal’ ideas, actions and dealings (earmarks & pork for example) are just as much of a problem. As are stupid, lazy Americans and voters who just listen to one source (radio, tv, newspaper, liberal only, conservative only) - to understand their Country, their politicians, the World, whatever, are also to blame.
But once again - I do not visit the looney left side on a daily basis - however I do visit. I do not read the Bible daily nor attend church daily - but I do read/attend. I do not concentrate on only the negative on any issue - but most especially my Country - as I’ve lived outside of it - and even our closest allies are not as great as America - it was eye opening for me - as to exactly how good We The People here in America have it.
America has problems - America is NOT the problem. . .
April 4th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Jenrette - I have read both secular and religious texts (gasp, including the Bible) on the anti-Christ -sorry if you did not get the humor of my statement. . .
And as for the ‘African (non) American’ - again, you do not seem to get the humorous point I was making.
That is common to people who chose to jump into a conversation (which as shown by the Related Articles section SG posted) has been going on for quite a while - and simply picking one point to bash.
I agree with the comments here - until they are Americans these problems and ‘discussions’ will continue - I don’t call them African Americans, I call them Friend, Neighbor (as in next door) and in one case - Groomsman. . .
There is none so blind as those who will not see.
April 4th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
drdobgyn asks…. “Other than liberals do you find anything about this country that you have an issue with?”
You damn right Doc. Want a list of things I have issues with?
Let’s start here:
M y post earlier this morning:
http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....ent-107530
This is just plain greed. I know, I know. They’re only trying to compete with others in the world market and trying to provide furniture at a lower cost to their customers, but it irks me to no end when an American company does this crap to it’s own citizens for the sake of higher profit margins and the almighty dollar. I would rather pay more for the product if I knew it kept Americans on the payroll, but most Americans aren’t willing to make that sacrifice so……..
And this one just below it.
http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....ent-107531
There’s enough blame to go around for both democrats and republicans in this example. Take notice that I did not say liberals and conservatives because conservatives have been screaming about this sh*t for ages now and liberals have been prolonging this problem by insisting that we feed, clothe, school, house and medicate these people which attracts and keeps them here. But it all can be laid at the feet of both parties in control of this country for allowing open borders and not enforcing the laws on the books.
Make sure you read the other posts below that. These are among some of the things that I dislike about how this country is run.
Others dislikes include: Abortions and those who push them on women, lazy people, skateboarders, crooked politicians of any stripe, foreign aid, income taxes, capitals gains taxes, prostitutes, crooked clergy, people with bad breath, drunks who love everyone, drunks who hate everyone, drunks who want to discuss the civil war, religion or politics, people who hang out in the passing lane (I really dislike these idiots), thieves, people who write checks in the supermarket, gossips, RAP music blaring from cars (I use the term music loosely), nosey people, the UN, people who pee in pools, people who pee on toilets and floors, crowded elevators, environmentalist whackos, liars, fascists, socialists, communists, Marxists, liberals and racists.
These are only a few of my many dislikes about our great country, but what can I do. It’s a free country. Thank GOD!!
Does that answer your question Doc?
April 4th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Wow doc good to see you got some apologist company. Too bad neither of you seems to have any understanding of what you are talking about and can only see the end of you nose. How much more needs to be provided before you see that white people are not going support this crap?
Doc you asked about what we conservatives are displeased with in our country besides liberals.
How about:
Out of control government spending?
Bloated and mismanaged social programs (see entitlement programs for clarification)?
Piss poor performance from our schools and the idiocy that is the Dept of Ed. And our public school system?
Inner city DMZ’s that we (working and tax paying legal citizens) will eventually dump more WASTED money into?
Drugs?
Terrorist enablers in government and the private sector?
A drift left in the culture evidenced by the upswing in porn, teen sex and pregnancy and an overall lack of morality for most in the public eye?
Moving further and further from free market capitalism towards socialism and communism?
Gun free zones (see lunatic killer’s paradise for clarification)?
Eminent domain?
Activist judges legislating from the bench?
There’s 10 just to get you started…..a comprehensive list would strain bandwidth……but this should be ample enough for you to chew on.
Funny thing about all ten of those issues…….scrape away all the bullsh*t and there is a liberal or liberal dogma left.
Weird how that works out huh?
April 4th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
jenrette, there’s also another way to look at the situation. Here’s a hypothetical question for you. .
If a gang (terrorists) broke into your home and killed part of your family (the people in the twin towers) and there was another gang waiting (al-queda, sadam, et al) waiting to come back into your neighborhood (America) to finish off your family, friends and neighbors, what would you do? Confront them? Placate them? Try to buy them off? Join their gang? At what point do you defend your family? Or do you not defend yourself and just except your fate?
I’m not trying to be confrontational, just curious on how others think. There’s an old saying, ” if I am like you, then who would be like me?” (Since I am such a jabber bucket, my friends and family always tease me when I lay that saying on them, “hopefully no one”.) :-)
April 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Well the old saying goes: “The best defense is a good offense.” Learn it and live, ignore it at your own peril.
April 4th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
…double dippers and trying to win a war with kid gloves on
I’d like to comment on:
“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”
(also: And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpesville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House.”)
I have read over and over again reverend wright’s “audaciously hopeless” view of the horizontal world and no matter how many times i try to find one version somewhere on the net that includes or attributes white folks greed in his sermon, —Nope, Wright’s version does Not include the quote above - close as he gets is “white on rice”…
No Port-au-Prince mentioned, no cruise ships - no greedy white folks and no sharpesville
EXCEPT as Excerpts as written by Obama himself in his own book… in other words…these are Obama’s words and thoughts, of greedy white folks, and Not Wright’s - oppppps - unless he heard them of course in other sermons that he didn’t hear, or know of….oppps…