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		<title>By: catie</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146106</link>
		<dc:creator>catie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing about the handouts.</description>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a gassy wind bag!!

He didn&#039;t say but I&#039;m willing to bet that he gets hand outs. This way it keeps him from the evils of capital gains and losses.</description>
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<p>He didn&#8217;t say but I&#8217;m willing to bet that he gets hand outs. This way it keeps him from the evils of capital gains and losses.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146088</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stock market is not a casino game.

Over the long haul, stock investment returns have very closely matched profitability. That is a fact.   For short periods, emotion is a big factor and returns have varied widely.

It&#039;s important to realize that the economic basis of the country and much of the world has been the ability to raise capital through the stock market.

It&#039;s also important to know that since 1820, the approximate start date of modern capitalism, more economic wealth (translation:  vastly improved lifestyles with vastly less effort) has been created than in all of previous history combined.  The list of wonders includes life saving drugs, autos, airplanes, electricity, telecommunications, many-fold increases in food production, air conditioning, and on and on.

The long-understood flaw of capitalism is that it is cyclical and subject to boom and bust cycles.  The only thing unusual about Sep / Oct 2008 is that it appears suspiciously coincidental with the late stages of an effort to elect the first true Socialist / Communist to the presidency of the worlds premier capitalist society.

If that criminal cabal succeeds in its quest to CEMENT THEIR OWN POWER at the expense of the wonders that free markets have brought to the world, then you should know that lifestyles worldwide will quickly revert back to the 1820&#039;s.

So complain if you will, but enjoy your 800 square foot houses, 60 hour work weeks, shorter lifespans, walking to work, and spending 50% of your labor to buy food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stock market is not a casino game.</p>
<p>Over the long haul, stock investment returns have very closely matched profitability. That is a fact.   For short periods, emotion is a big factor and returns have varied widely.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to realize that the economic basis of the country and much of the world has been the ability to raise capital through the stock market.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to know that since 1820, the approximate start date of modern capitalism, more economic wealth (translation:  vastly improved lifestyles with vastly less effort) has been created than in all of previous history combined.  The list of wonders includes life saving drugs, autos, airplanes, electricity, telecommunications, many-fold increases in food production, air conditioning, and on and on.</p>
<p>The long-understood flaw of capitalism is that it is cyclical and subject to boom and bust cycles.  The only thing unusual about Sep / Oct 2008 is that it appears suspiciously coincidental with the late stages of an effort to elect the first true Socialist / Communist to the presidency of the worlds premier capitalist society.</p>
<p>If that criminal cabal succeeds in its quest to CEMENT THEIR OWN POWER at the expense of the wonders that free markets have brought to the world, then you should know that lifestyles worldwide will quickly revert back to the 1820&#8242;s.</p>
<p>So complain if you will, but enjoy your 800 square foot houses, 60 hour work weeks, shorter lifespans, walking to work, and spending 50% of your labor to buy food.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146083</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of those concepts are paralleled in Christianity, other world religions, and by &quot;secular&quot; people who claim not to believe in any &quot;religion&quot; but still own a set of beliefs every bit as definable as any religion.  Twisting something your audience will agree on to justify whatever you want is classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of those concepts are paralleled in Christianity, other world religions, and by &#8220;secular&#8221; people who claim not to believe in any &#8220;religion&#8221; but still own a set of beliefs every bit as definable as any religion.  Twisting something your audience will agree on to justify whatever you want is classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymoose</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146079</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a return to reality is in order. A company selling stock was originally (correct me if I am wrong) intended to raise a greater pool of money for it to use by essentially making it publicly owned.  The whole concept of a market was to allow people to buy and sell their interest in these companies.

I think most people have heard about owning paper stock certificates, and the mentality way back then was that stock in a company was an investment that would grow over time.  However someone had the bright idea that since the continued success of a company could not be guaranteed, that instead to buy stock in lots of companies doing the same thing and make it a fund people can buy into.

The same with our retirement funds and and everything else, and the result was  the entire stock market was a massive casino game where stocks were traded like chips and everyone was supposed to win because the game was only ever growing bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a return to reality is in order. A company selling stock was originally (correct me if I am wrong) intended to raise a greater pool of money for it to use by essentially making it publicly owned.  The whole concept of a market was to allow people to buy and sell their interest in these companies.</p>
<p>I think most people have heard about owning paper stock certificates, and the mentality way back then was that stock in a company was an investment that would grow over time.  However someone had the bright idea that since the continued success of a company could not be guaranteed, that instead to buy stock in lots of companies doing the same thing and make it a fund people can buy into.</p>
<p>The same with our retirement funds and and everything else, and the result was  the entire stock market was a massive casino game where stocks were traded like chips and everyone was supposed to win because the game was only ever growing bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit having to skim through the later sections of what he said, it was just getting too monotonous.  It basically boiled down to Westerners are bad, find appropriate passage showing how bad things happen to bad people, talk about it, continue.  

That said the economic crisis  was something the West has brought on itself.  However, I can&#039;t help but look at the riches being spent by the rulers in the Mideast and not think their system is any better, only funded by the colossal money maker of oil.

I remember hearing somewhere how there were two kinds of salesmen in the world.  The first is honest and helpful to his customers, and builds up strong loyalty.  He doesn&#039;t make lots of money, but has many repeat customers.  The second is high pressure and in your face.  He pulls every trick in the book to make you buy from him.  He makes a lot of money, but only for a short while as he ticks everyone off and word spreads.

Most companies veer towards the second type in how they deal with people, and sadly most customers do also.  They&#039;ll take more variety and a slightly reduced price over quality service nearly every time.  

Take those same approaches and apply them to the financial world, and it&#039;s no wonder we&#039;re in the mess we are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit having to skim through the later sections of what he said, it was just getting too monotonous.  It basically boiled down to Westerners are bad, find appropriate passage showing how bad things happen to bad people, talk about it, continue.  </p>
<p>That said the economic crisis  was something the West has brought on itself.  However, I can&#8217;t help but look at the riches being spent by the rulers in the Mideast and not think their system is any better, only funded by the colossal money maker of oil.</p>
<p>I remember hearing somewhere how there were two kinds of salesmen in the world.  The first is honest and helpful to his customers, and builds up strong loyalty.  He doesn&#8217;t make lots of money, but has many repeat customers.  The second is high pressure and in your face.  He pulls every trick in the book to make you buy from him.  He makes a lot of money, but only for a short while as he ticks everyone off and word spreads.</p>
<p>Most companies veer towards the second type in how they deal with people, and sadly most customers do also.  They&#8217;ll take more variety and a slightly reduced price over quality service nearly every time.  </p>
<p>Take those same approaches and apply them to the financial world, and it&#8217;s no wonder we&#8217;re in the mess we are now.</p>
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		<title>By: gipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>gipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The imam didn&#039;t address money jinns--you know, those pesky little devils who make holes in your pockets. When you try to buy something, you discover that all your coins have fallen through the holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The imam didn&#8217;t address money jinns&#8211;you know, those pesky little devils who make holes in your pockets. When you try to buy something, you discover that all your coins have fallen through the holes.</p>
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		<title>By: VMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>VMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that from Shakespere?</description>
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		<title>By: caligirl9</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146046</link>
		<dc:creator>caligirl9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Males smell real baaaad. Seriously. Take the male goats to the southern border, they&#039;ll find a use for &#039;em. Just keep a few really fine specimens around to keep the girl goats happy when it&#039;s time.

Capitalism at its finest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Males smell real baaaad. Seriously. Take the male goats to the southern border, they&#8217;ll find a use for &#8216;em. Just keep a few really fine specimens around to keep the girl goats happy when it&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>Capitalism at its finest!</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colonel1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Females.  And just the cute ones...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Females.  And just the cute ones&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: U NO HOO</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146043</link>
		<dc:creator>U NO HOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;‘It is from yourselves (because of your evil deeds)’&quot;

Anyone ever hear that saying, &quot;Neither a borrower nor a lender be&quot;?

Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;‘It is from yourselves (because of your evil deeds)’&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone ever hear that saying, &#8220;Neither a borrower nor a lender be&#8221;?</p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: U NO HOO</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146042</link>
		<dc:creator>U NO HOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Male or female goats?</description>
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		<title>By: VMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>VMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right hang on to your seats.  As I read this I have to admit it is so much crap however it is not unlike much of what I have heard in Christian churches.  I know that the title Allah was not used but I do imagine many of the passages have parallels in the Christian Bible.  I am not saying that Christian leaders are as insane as these nuts. Hmmm??? Well maybe I am.  The fact is there are many banks both regional and local that are doing well (not great) and there are many small to mid size companies that are doing well (not great) but some of these will emerge as the next leaders when these huge socialist multinational governments, politicians and businesses fail and sink into the abyss of history.  We the people, we the individual, we the innovator will survive and hopefully learn from the mistakes of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right hang on to your seats.  As I read this I have to admit it is so much crap however it is not unlike much of what I have heard in Christian churches.  I know that the title Allah was not used but I do imagine many of the passages have parallels in the Christian Bible.  I am not saying that Christian leaders are as insane as these nuts. Hmmm??? Well maybe I am.  The fact is there are many banks both regional and local that are doing well (not great) and there are many small to mid size companies that are doing well (not great) but some of these will emerge as the next leaders when these huge socialist multinational governments, politicians and businesses fail and sink into the abyss of history.  We the people, we the individual, we the innovator will survive and hopefully learn from the mistakes of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: caligirl9</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ask-the-imam-on-the-financial-crisis#comment-146036</link>
		<dc:creator>caligirl9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I read bits and pieces of this is any &lt;b&gt;law-abiding&lt;/b&gt; Muslim in the U.S. is as evil as us “Westerners” are because they worked hard and earned things? (I bolded law-abiding because I know there are organizations like the black Muslims al la Your Black Muslim Bakery who aren’t exactly law-abiding.)  

I work with a Muslim young adult who is studying to be a rocket scientist. Seriously, this guy is so smart, I look at his math, engineering and physics homework and I so don’t get even a piece of it, and I consider myself pretty smart. He’s not a rabid follower of Islam, though at work we all made efforts to help him get through Ramadan (we tried not to eat in front of him, much like you’d try to be nice to a person observing Lent and not do whatever he/she’s given up for the time period, be it chocolate or meat). 

His minor concentration was psychology because he was interested … 

When I read stuff like Shaykh Muhammad al-Munajjid’s words of wisdom [*cough*] I wonder, “Why is Sahil even trying so hard to do well in school, to pick such a challenging occupation, when his ‘religion’ would prefer he herds goats and someday have multiple wives?”

I think about that and am grateful his family had the good sense to trickle out of the region starting in the 1960s. He may have been born there, but he isn’t going back. The U.S. gets to benefit from his brain!

However, I do agree with this statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt; What has befallen the people is not a problem from heaven; rather it is a calamity that has befallen them because of their sin and what their own hands have wrought.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What has happened to our economy is due to sin (simplified somewhat)—people lied to get into homes they knew they could not afford, banks lied to get those people into homes they knew they could not afford, and (mostly liberal) politicians smiled and lied and said “home ownership is an American right.”

Most of us haven’t done anything wrong and we are paying for those sins. And it wasn’t/isn’t God’s job (or even my job or your job, my friends here at S&amp;L) to save people from their own stupidity and greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I read bits and pieces of this is any <b>law-abiding</b> Muslim in the U.S. is as evil as us “Westerners” are because they worked hard and earned things? (I bolded law-abiding because I know there are organizations like the black Muslims al la Your Black Muslim Bakery who aren’t exactly law-abiding.)  </p>
<p>I work with a Muslim young adult who is studying to be a rocket scientist. Seriously, this guy is so smart, I look at his math, engineering and physics homework and I so don’t get even a piece of it, and I consider myself pretty smart. He’s not a rabid follower of Islam, though at work we all made efforts to help him get through Ramadan (we tried not to eat in front of him, much like you’d try to be nice to a person observing Lent and not do whatever he/she’s given up for the time period, be it chocolate or meat). </p>
<p>His minor concentration was psychology because he was interested … </p>
<p>When I read stuff like Shaykh Muhammad al-Munajjid’s words of wisdom [*cough*] I wonder, “Why is Sahil even trying so hard to do well in school, to pick such a challenging occupation, when his ‘religion’ would prefer he herds goats and someday have multiple wives?”</p>
<p>I think about that and am grateful his family had the good sense to trickle out of the region starting in the 1960s. He may have been born there, but he isn’t going back. The U.S. gets to benefit from his brain!</p>
<p>However, I do agree with this statement:</p>
<blockquote><p> What has befallen the people is not a problem from heaven; rather it is a calamity that has befallen them because of their sin and what their own hands have wrought.</p></blockquote>
<p>What has happened to our economy is due to sin (simplified somewhat)—people lied to get into homes they knew they could not afford, banks lied to get those people into homes they knew they could not afford, and (mostly liberal) politicians smiled and lied and said “home ownership is an American right.”</p>
<p>Most of us haven’t done anything wrong and we are paying for those sins. And it wasn’t/isn’t God’s job (or even my job or your job, my friends here at S&amp;L) to save people from their own stupidity and greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, the argument holds up well that a dirt floor is better than a non-dirt floor, that living in absolute squalor is desirable over having cable TV and a tent is better than a home with walls and electricity and running water.

The absolute insanity of their &quot;points&quot; is clear.  

But that the people oppressed by this thinking seem to suck it up is just a crime against humanity. This century is shaping up to be a real deusey .  But as has been said, we understand technology....and we can fix it and maintain it.  They....cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, the argument holds up well that a dirt floor is better than a non-dirt floor, that living in absolute squalor is desirable over having cable TV and a tent is better than a home with walls and electricity and running water.</p>
<p>The absolute insanity of their &#8220;points&#8221; is clear.  </p>
<p>But that the people oppressed by this thinking seem to suck it up is just a crime against humanity. This century is shaping up to be a real deusey .  But as has been said, we understand technology&#8230;.and we can fix it and maintain it.  They&#8230;.cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they survive another millenium, maybe they will be able to come up with the concept of money.  

It must be getting old counting the camel equivalents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they survive another millenium, maybe they will be able to come up with the concept of money.  </p>
<p>It must be getting old counting the camel equivalents.</p>
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