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Can Cindy Sheehan Even Find Iraq On A Map?

On page 22 of Cindy Sheehan’s scholarly tome "Peace Mom," one finds this pronouncement from her concerning the root cause of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq:

All one has to do is look at the puppet government headed up by President Karzai to understand that the United States needed to take Afghanistan first to provide access to land to build a pipeline for Iraq’s oil, because the only other way through the gulf was via Iran, and we all know that wouldn’t have been possible.

No wonder she claims that the war in Iraq is all about oil

The trouble is Mother Sheehan appears to have her conspiracies mixed up.

The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline was the initial tinfoil explanation for the US invasion of Afghanistan — and for Afghanistan only.  (The "attacks" on 9/11 were faked to give this nefarious scheme cover.)

It was promulgated by such intellects as Michael Moore (in Fahrenheit 911 and elsewhere) and Michael Rivero. Consequently, it became an article of faith in the hate America first religion at the time.

But the Afghani pipeline has never been advanced as a motive for the war in Iraq — probably because of one minor flaw. It has nothing to do with the oil in Iraq. Nor was it ever intended to.

The pipeline conspiracy was at one time so powerful it now has an entry in that repository of all learning, Wikipedia. But even Wikipedia manages to point out:

Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline

The pipeline will transport Caspian Sea natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan, into Pakistan and the Indian Ocean.

Nope. Nothing to do with Iraq.

The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is shown in green.

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Perhaps someone should show Cindy a map — and point out to her exactly where Iraq is.

It’s enough to make one question Mother Sheehan’s grasp of geopolitics altogether.

(Thanks to Wardmama4 for the book quote.)

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113 Responses to “Can Cindy Sheehan Even Find Iraq On A Map?”

  1. wampaku40

    Take pity, she is no more than a product of our school system, and her own deranged meanderings. Amazing that her editors……nah, nothing is amazing anymore. Just sad, sick or depressing….

  2. stevierae54

    No, don’t blame our school system. I am a bit older than she is (I am 52; she is, I believe, 49) and I learned world geography, American government, and world history just fine within the public school system.

    I suspect she’s always been somewhat of a dim bulb. She still publishes columns on Michael Moore, but you can tell that she no longer has the benefit of professional proofreaders or Code Pink staffers telling her what to say or how to say it–most 5th graders write better “first person” stories.

  3. dhimminever

    wampaku40 is correct. According to the paradigms of leftist education, “knowing where” Iraq is located is less important than being able to relate “how one feels” about Iraq.

    Her editors went to the same school. They simply didn’t want “facts” to get in the way of “feelings”.

  4. MotherSuperior

    You say Iraq…I say Iran…same thing…BlameBush.

    This lady will not go away…she does look leaner and meaner than ever after that Smoothie induced Hunger-Strike of hers.

  5. MotherSuperior

    BTW… “Peace Mom” lol….I didn’t know Peace Mom’s wanted to travel back in time and kill a would-be-baby-President?!??!

  6. dhimminever

    stevierae54 - The prime difference is that you “learned” geography, American government, etc. They did too. They hated it and flushed it in favor of creating their own “facts” to fit their ideology. Now, they run the schools and nobody learns anything except incorrect “facts”.

  7. Kilmeny

    Must be something in the water in California. A lot of these Berkeley/San Francisco/New Agey/hippie people have the same fuzzy logic. Just a mishmash of images and half-heard “factoids” they pick up from Michael Moore documentaries, protest signs, and T-shirts. It’s T-shirt logic. Facts would only confuse and irritate them because they don’t always fit neatly onto a bumper sticker. A college professor might be able to get away with making it sound at least superficially logical, but that’s a little too much to expect from Cindy.

  8. 1sttofight

    This her book page at Amazon. Be sure and read the comments.

    http://www.amazon.com/Peace-Mo.....mp;s=books

  9. wardmama4

    here is what I wrote - so that none of you have to read this drivel (Peace Mom) for yourself.

    ‘Mother’ Sheehan (whose [soldier] son was killed in Iraq) apparently was on GMA this morning pimping her new ‘book’. I missed it because I was actually doing something worthwhile (cleaning my carpets). But then I would have missed it anyway, as I don’t think I’ve ever watched GMA. I got BSCS’s book at the library (how I get and read all the lunatic left’s books and the land whales videos, won’t give a single penny to any of ‘em). Anyway here is a short take on it (I’m about 3/4 the way through). Blah, blah, blah, on the bushitlerburtonco/OIF/Army her usual stuff.

    In short the Sheehan family was the perfect CA family until SPC Casey Sheehan joined the evil war machine and it ate him up and spit her out. The other main key point is that everyone lies except ‘grieving’ mom Cindy [Bush and the Army, I expected, Sen John McCain {actually she said he disputed her version} and SPC Casey Sheehan’s Chief were the surprizes to me that she would accuse of lying in print]. She can not add, write and obviously it has become much more important to get these tombs of literature and fonts of wisdom in print than actually proof read them. I knew that she would contradict herself - I just did not expect it to be in the same paragraphs and repeatedly throughout the book. Now for the two main (’cuz there are tons of Cindyisms) that should be posted throughout the InterNet:

    Warning if you are in the military, a Veteran, married to the military or a Supporter of the Troops - this one will make you angry
    Pg 52 - ‘We buried Casey in his dress greens, and I wonder why. Why did I allow my son to be buried as a soldier and not as a human being.’

    And this gem (which is the essence of what we here at S&L know BSCS is, should be posted to every Left blog, every military website and should be sent as a large poster to Maureen ‘absolute moral authority’ Dowd (please read it very carefully and if you need to, check a map of the area, we did as my hubby and I were in disagreement over where certain countries were - that is if you can stop laughing long enough):

    Pg 22 - ‘. . . to understand that the United States needed to take Afghanistan first to provide access to the land to build a pipeline for Iraq’s oil, because the only other way through the gulf was Iran. . .’

    All I can say to that is DUH!?!

    And let me paraphrase a common movie quote to sum up the whole book - Peace Mom:

    Stupid is as stupid writes.

    I am writing down the choicest quotes from this book, Cindy is stupid, very base in how she talks and reacts, very self absorbed and appears to be eternally fixated on this event. That is a deep psychological problem. I too have had a son die - I was in nightmare land and depressed until 6 months after his death when one of the older men in our church sat next to me in the pew and just casually said, ‘I can’t believe it’s been 6 months since William passed, it just doesn’t seem that long.’ It was all it took to snap me out of my pity party - someone remembered my son’s name and remembered his passing. My mother never even counts him among her grandchildren - yet a stranger remembered. I could be completely sympathic to this woman (son dead, son in Army, mom sitting at home worrying about son in Combat zone) but she raves on and on, killing any empathy that I would have for her. She is very simply a narcisstic person who sees the entire world only as it relates to her and she got very quickly addicted to the media spotlight. Will keep reading. Must also go to Amazon and write a review.

  10. stevierae54

    dhimmi–

    I just meant that, being close to the same age, Cindy Sheehan and I were taught by approximately the same generations of teachers, in the same era–when teachers were expected to adhere to a rigid, prescribed curriculum, and did. There is just no excuse for her being as ignorant of the basics as she seems to be–not just in matters of history, geography, and political science, but even in her command of basic reading and writing. Her grammar, sentence structure and punctuation is appalling. (Did she never learn how to diagram a sentence?)

    I am almost willing to bet that she was one of the class “dummies–” always made fun of—and never really had “friends” until the radical left, decades later, seized her, paraded her as the useful tool they accurately surmised her to be, then discarded her as soon as she became too much of a public embarrassment to them. She must now feel, once again, like the outcast she undoubtably was during her grade school and high school years.

  11. Nahanni

    She is now at the stuff you scraped off your shoe stage.

  12. sheehanjihad

    There was another page in the book that evidently everyone missed.

    Cindy says that the pipeline originally was to be placed in Indiana under a secret program initiated by BushCo, and it was to carry oil that was soaked up in sponges and transported in the back packs of National Guard Troops returning from duty in Iraq. The reason most tours were extended was to fill more sponges, and bring them to a small town in Indiana, whos entire economy is based on the local’s superior ability to wring every last drop of the stolen oil out of the sponges, place them in children’s wagons and purloined baby strollers, and in the dark of night, transport the oil to the top secret pipeline terminal in Indiana, there to begin it’s long secret classified journey through several states with Republican Govenors who then siphon off some oil in various top secret classified places using illegals wielding secret military grade turkey basters, and refine it into high test gasoline in the basement laundrys of Republican owned apartment complexes, secretly sneak it to local gas stations, and sell it at a greatly reduced price to gain Republican seats in the upcoming elections. This is big news! This is BushCo at it’s best! I am going to walmart, buying every sponge they have, and making me some of that Big Oil money!

    The snag is pathetic. This chapter makes more sense than her entire “book”. What a loser.

  13. wampaku40

    Snort. Laugh….Clutching my sides…..sponges…..Indiana……looking for cleaner for my monitor…..

  14. dhimminever

    wardmama4 and stevierae54 - Cindy is as Ms. Coulter said about the WTC wives.

    Cindy appears to enjoy her “plight”. In that regard Casey’s death was the best thing to happen to Cindy. It made her “popular” and gave her more than fifteen minutes of fame. The comment that she’s a narcissist is spot on. Prior to her son’s death, she was just another middle-aged cog in the wheel. Now she is “somebody” and her life “has meaning”.

    We also see the false compassion of the left. They have taken this poor unfortunate, dressed her up, dragged her around, and put words in her mouth. To them, she is nothing more than a breathing t-shirt slogan.

    That is as much sympathy as I can allow her.

  15. doingwhatican

    She couldn’t find her butt with both hands and a flashlight.

    And she cannot compose a structurally nor grammatically correct sentence much less write anything of substance without a ghostwriter.

    Loser.

  16. sheehanjihad

    That, good people, is why she is the “SNAG”! There are scarce others who could attain the ability to have to reach up to touch the bottom. This sewer trout has had it. She is as useless as her ability to construct meaningful paragraphs, and especially, her spot on geography. I laugh every time I read that, ‘access to the gulf”….via what, China? Egads, what a poop sniffing waste of oxygen.

  17. doingwhatican

    ….what a poop sniffing waste of oxygen. - sheehanjihad.

    Absolutely. She is an Errhead.

  18. spelunker

    Interesting map depicting the pipeline…it is the old route of concern during the Cold War because the Russians needed a warm water/weather port.

  19. wardmama4

    Well look at the shining example in Congress, BSCS has - Rep. John ‘redeploy to Okinawa’ Murtha. Idiots of a feather flock together.

    She is blaming (I assume her downfall, but not at the end yet) on some in the GSFP whom she likens to agents provocatuers ala Nixon era anti-Vietnam war blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.

    We lived in CA (Ft. Ord) and I am forever greatful we left before any of my children was forced to go to school there - as it seems that they don’t teach anything math wise, grammar wise, geography wise nor any American history other than the Vietnam War.

    I have come to a conclusion about the making of ‘Mother’ Sheehan - but will wait for that until I get to the end of the book, just to make sure her lies haven’t lead me astray, before I report my conclusion. Will keep reading Thank God my husband has homework, I know have reason to read and keep the house quiet in the evening.

  20. DEZ

    Wardmama.
    I hope you have a barf bag, Just her face on the book would make me hurl chunks.
    I have read the snags ramblings before and it cost me a porcelain god.

  21. stevierae54

    Did you guys notice this excerpt from her book’s introduction, written by her:

    “This is a book of one mom’s journey from ignorance of history (even though, ironically, she majored in history) to being an active participant in making history and having an effect on social change.”

    “She majored in history?!”

    Did she even attend college–even community college; even for a short time? I always thought that (per her own interviews) she was a stay at home mom, and just held minimum wage jobs here and there (never for long.) Not once have I heard any reference to college, let alone “majoring in history.”

    She, like most borderline personalities, seems to live in a world based on pathological lying—always, always, always needing to be the center of attention.

  22. DEZ

    “She majored in history?!”
    She meant she majored in faking a hysterectomy.
    We must all remember that words over three letters confuses the hell out of the
    snag, And her forming a coherent sentence is less likely than the Sun bumping into Pluto.

  23. sheehanjihad

    Cindy Sheehan majored in advanced stupidity….grinning 104……open mouthed lunacy…..industrial grifting…..introductory sedition…… statistical moron…..his story……gratuitous drooling……

    she played a stump in the school play……was bitten by a chipmunk when she was 14…..she took in a stray dog, it called the pound and turned itself in……licked candy canes and admired her reddened tongue in the mirror…..was hit by a pumpkin thrown by the local jock….(she still has it pressed in her diary.)…..collected cinder blocks in Junior High……has a shoebox full of discarded fudgecicle papers…..

    she was voted “most likely to betray her country”….disliked music of any kind…….stood behind an IHOP at night and inhaled the exhaust fan smoke… ecouraged mosquitos to bite her ass so the cellulite on her thighs would show so much……always carried a weasle skin in her tote bag to ward off “evil spirits”….injected cranberry juice into her lips to make them full and seductive….

    pretended she was a janitor and repeatedly swept the mainstreet of Vacaville after sundown…..believed that she was abducted by aliens to explain the unusual stains in her drawers…..hid a shiny garden trowel under her bed……was elected “cooty of the year” in third grade……was always promoted to the next grade by teachers who couldnt take her grin any longer…..won a spelling bee in ninth grade by correctly spelling “me”…..

    Grew up to be a snag. Contemptuous worthless anal splooge…..but, that’s her schooling as far as I could find out on Google.

  24. DEZ

    Damn it SJ.
    Thanks for another monitor cleaning.

  25. stevierae54

    believed that she was abducted by aliens to explain the unusual stains in her drawers…

    OMG, SJ, I have tears running down my cheeks from laughing so hard!!! You’re killin’ me here!!!

    I wish that we could locate some of her old high school classmates and have them give us the real dirt on her during those years. I’m certain what we’ve surmised is uncomfortably close to the truth–both for her and her sister DeDe.

    Wonder what she’s doing for a “job” nowadays, now that Cindy’s “speaking engagements” have dried up?

  26. DEZ

    Oh sister Dede laid eggs on the gulf of mexico and returned to the sea.

  27. darwin

    I wonder if God will permit Casey to go to hell to pay his “caring” mother a visit when she finally croaks.

  28. CKO1986

    My nephew knows more about geography than Sheehan, and he hasn’t even started first grade yet!

  29. dulcimergrl

    SJ, thanks to you, all my coworkers think I’ve gone completely bonkers! People are walking by shaking their heads and whispering to each other at they note the hysterical laughter, tears streaming down my cheeks, and dents in my desk from pounding it so hard…

  30. Kilmeny

    SJ, I copied your post and sent it out to friends, because I about died of laughter. No sense in us being the only ones with monitor damage. Gave you credit, of course.

  31. retire05

    Don’t y’all think you are being a bit hard on the Snag? Remember, she IS from Loonafornia and it is very obvious that she should have sued the school district where she took geography classes because they failed her. This is a woman who can’t find her way to a shower or the Revlon counter at Macy’s and you expect her to know where some country in another continent is? Really, y’all do expect too much.
    If I had my quess, I would say that she never took geography but rather oped for the electives “Terrorist Sensitivity Training”, “Moonbattery” and that senior class “The Way To Weath Through Insanity”. Those were probably the only classes in Loonafornia that were in English.

  32. buzzhead

    retire, no I do not think they are being hard on her. She is just getting what she deserves.

    I don’t think they could be too hard on her with a hickory axe handle.

  33. wardmama4

    I missed that ‘majored in history’ part in the intro. Here is what I got directly from the book: She met her husband between her junior and senior year of high school. They married in 1977 when she was 19 years old, she became pregnant in 1978, and they agreed ‘that I would quit my job to be a full-time mom’. There is no mention of attending college, graduating from college and/or majoring in history. If her bios would read more than - Cindy Sheehan whose son was killed in Iraq and since then she is an anti-war activist - I could get a handle on what is the truth about that.
    Here is the lie for the day from the book:(I am starting with the biggest ones, yesterday’s was a hoot):

    Pg. 157: ‘. . .more than 90% of the human race believes that this was is wrong and the coalition troops should leave Iraq ASAP.’

    LOL and I am still reading (it goes slow when I have to write things down).

  34. wardmama4

    BTW, somewhere I read BSCS state that one of the Iraqi’s at that Jordan powwow claimed that the ‘evil’ American soldiers broke into his house and raped his wife in front of him and his ‘young’ son. Then he thanked BSCS for showing him that there are ‘decent’ Americans and he will go ‘tell his son not to pick up a gun, because there are good Americans.’ [I will try to find this gem of propaganda]

    Gag me - what trash. I’ve not read about American soldiers being charged with raping a woman in front of her men folk - you’d know that would be front page news ad naseum.

    The woman can not tell the truth to help herself.

  35. oki

    Hmm. From what I can gather, that would mean that the wife is in trouble, not the ‘evil’ American soldiers, right? Something or other about the reason the women wear the tents is to avoid tempting the men around them? It would have been the duty of the husband to kill the wife, no?

  36. wampaku40

    Is there an S&L Hall of Fame archive? SJ’s research into the Snag’s pressed pumpkin souvenir and accolades should head the entries……

  37. wardmama4

    I found the story, propaganda piece where BSCS relates her Iraqi claim (here’s an excerpt)
    ‘I have a story to share. When I was in Jordan with the peace contingent, meeting with Iraqi parliamentarians, we heard the testimony of a Sheik who is also a respected mullah in Iraq. He told us that members of the US Army broke into his house, raped his wife, beat him severely, and took him to prison where he was further tortured in compliance with George‘s barbaric and cruel policies. All of this happened in front of his teenage son.

    Listening to him describe his injuries and the awful treatment he received from my country, I apologized to him, weeping. No human being should treat another human being so inhumanely.
    He listened then he said this: “My son’s dream is to get a rifle and climb up on to a roof top and assassinate Americans. I will tell him that there are Americans like you and encourage him not to do this thing.”’

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.....ssage/1739

    As I said, this woman can not tell the truth to help herself.

  38. wardmama4

    oki - yeah that is what I love about all the screeding from the lunatic left about the horrible torture and evil deeds that the American soldiers are doing while over there. In reality, we haven’t even come close to the horrible, despictable and downright evil things that they do to each other in the name of their so-called religion of peace.

    That is what the problem is liar BSCS and the musllims don’t know the definition of peace. And what true peace entails.

  39. wardmama4

    This is going slower than I expected and I am still not finished with the book. Who knew I actually had a life. And as I have a week of family visits starting this weekend, I will be just dashing in and out when I can. On my ‘lie for the day’ from yesterday (the pg 157 one posted at 2:05pm) it should read ‘. . . believe that this war is wrong. . .’ Sorry, forgot to proofread. Here is todays interesting excerpt (read it carefully). She is talking about varied (and infamous) visitors to her ‘bitch in a ditch’ tour in 2005:

    Pg 176 ‘. . .were the soldiers who came from Fort Hood. One handsome soldier came with his girlfriend almost every night when he got off work. He heard one day on Air America that we needed tarps, and he “borrowed” some from Fort Hood for us. I think the U.S. Army unknowingly provided us with other supplies, but I am not 100 percent sure about that. But thank you anyway, Uncle Sam! Our tax dollars at work.’

    Accepting stolen government property, encouraging it and then making a snarky comment about wasting US tax dollars. Gotta love BSCS - she has no respect for anyone but herself.

  40. wardmama4

    One final post on the book. 1) UCLA - this inquiring mind wants to know - attend (how long) and graduate or not. 2) Cindy can not see that her control issues and insistance of keeping the media spotlight on her, Casey and her tirades against President Bush are the reasons that most people believe this is about HER and not about peace/anti-war. One chapter disturbed me and I couldn’t figure out why, so I re-read it. It was because the rest of the book was her usual self-serving, obscene laden rants - it just does not fit and therefore is highly suspect. I feel Cindy is stuck in stages 1/2 (anger, denial) of grief. She is angry at herself, what she believed and how she raised her children because it lead to Casey’s death. And she cannot deal with it (even if in the book she claims she did). Last quote and then a final statement.

    pg 239 ‘My life is not over, but more important, Casey’s life is not over.’

    Cindy is so consumed with her anger that she can not (or will not admit) that SPC Casey Sheehan was raised and publicly proved it to be a patriotic American (soldier), a Christian (’greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friend’ John 15:13) and a wonderful human being (volunteering throughout his life). The very traits that Cindy pleads for all of us to have, yet she won’t practice (and wrote that she intentionally turned from) herself. In her bitterness, she does not see the reality that SPC Casey Sheehan gave his life to protect and defend her freedom to speak her mind and protest. The SPC Casey Sheehan and Cindy Sheehan story exemplifies that American is doing fine and her freedoms are surviving well.

  41. SG

    “Pg. 157: ‘. . .more than 90% of the human race believes that this was is wrong and the coalition troops should leave Iraq ASAP.’”

    It sounds like Cindy is quoting John Murtha again.

  42. sheehanjihad

    I think wardmama’s last paragraph sums it up better than anyone could. Well done.

  43. SG

    “‘I have a story to share. When I was in Jordan with the peace contingent, meeting with Iraqi parliamentarians, we heard the testimony of a Sheik who is also a respected mullah in Iraq. He told us that members of the US Army broke into his house, raped his wife, beat him severely, and took him to prison where he was further tortured in compliance with George‘s barbaric and cruel policies. All of this happened in front of his teenage son…’”

    Yes, Cindy included this fantasy in her “daily diary” which 1sttofight posted here:

    Cindy Sheehan’s Photo Shoot Dialogue - Per Reuters | Sweetness & Light
    http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....er-reuters

  44. SG

    “In her bitterness, she does not see the reality that SPC Casey Sheehan gave his life to protect and defend her freedom to speak her mind and protest.”

    Before she became a professional America-hating protestor she could:

    Cindy: “Casey Wanted To Fight For His Country” | Sweetness & Light
    http://www.sweetness-light.com.....is-country

  45. sheehanjihad

    You know, I am really thinking of doing a parody of the entire book. The whole thing. My way. I gotta get a copy of that puppy….

  46. 1sttofight

    SJ,

    Think about this title; PIECE OF THE ACTION MOM.

  47. wirenut

    SJ Be very careful if reading snags’s book . I think it would be like staring into the eyes of a tinfoil hat wearing Medusa, sucking the life and reason out of all that gaze upon it.

  48. sheehanjihad

    That is perfect 1st~! This should be fun.

  49. SG

    One reason we aren’t hearing so much from Mother Sheehan is that she is doing a nationwide book tour for “Peace Mom.”

    From the Oregonian:

    LITERARY EVENTS CALENDAR

    Monday

    “Peace Mom”: Cindy Sheehan discusses her book, 7 p.m., Powell’s event, Bagdad Theatre, 3702 S.E. Hawthorne Blvd.

    http://tinyurl.com/ewdh3

    What a fitting venue.

  50. stevierae54

    I might just have to head down there later tomorrow night and taunt her…

    The Hawthorne area is Portland’s wannabe Haight-Ashbury, circa 1967–lots of tie-dye; lots of unwashed wannabe “hippies” born 20 or 30 years too late–and those like Cindy, who never grew up. You know, the balding grey-haired guys with long, stringy ponytails down their backs (but no hair at all on their scalps–their hairlines have receded back to the napes of their necks.)

    And their grey-haired wives in Birkenstocks with socks, and armpits that have not been shaved since 1968.

    The Bagdad theater is cool–you can see movies for $1.00, and buy microbrews right on site, and drink them in the theater.

    If I make it, I’ll take pictures, and send them to DB (S.G.)

  51. wardmama4

    Sheehanjihad - if anyone can write a paroday of ‘grieving’ mother cindy’s book, it is you.

    1sttofight - great title.

    Wirenut - not to worry, other than the few personal facts I posted here - most of the rest of the book is the same ole, same ole.

    Although I loved all the ‘channeling’ ’spiritual encounters’ etc that cindy,dede and carly have ‘had’ with Casey - they are a hoot. Not to mention that she chose to leave her 28 year marriage upon hearing ‘Jump’ (Van Halen) on the radio - Casey’s absolute fav song, and it’s like he was telling me to jump out of my marriage (GAG ME) and that she decided to stay in Crawford for Bush’s entire vacation, because Dede called her (Cindy was on the bus -Impeachment Tour, Bitch in a Ditch, Stupid and Dirty anti-war Tour whatever) and told her ‘Whip It’ (Devo) was on the radio and like that meant I was suppose to whip this horrible world situation created by bushitlerburtonco (GAG ME again). . .

    And another choice fact -sis dede lives in a trailer.

    Trailer trash all and she is relevent why?

  52. stevierae54

    OK you guys—

    I went down to the Bagdad Theater tonight to hear Shee-hag speak. I almost went to jail, and would have gone, gladly. But more about that later.

    It was the same old Bush-lied-Casey-died; no blood for oil; neocons; Iraquis want us out of their country; Casey’s recruiter lied to him; (she cited 5 specific “lies;”) Casey (at 21) was just a child; not one more mother’s child; we live in a fascist country; George Bush is an imbecile, a moron, and neither articulate or intelligent; the press always manipulates and “twists” whatever she says to make her “look bad…” In other words, the same old yada yada yada redux. Different night, essentially the same audience.

    She also said—no one, including me, got this—that Berkeley has named a holiday in her honor–”Cindy Sheehan Day.” She did not say what day that was. But she said–this is the part that no one got–”I like to joke and ask people if they went to any good day after Cindy Sheehan Day sales.” Oh, and she said she was living in a house with both her daughters now–”closer to Vacaville.” No one asked about her newest “Camp Casey” near the President’s ranch.

    The theater was full—she got lots of “Right ons” and “We love you Cindys.” The event was free. Apparently I was the only one there who was not one of her fans. I was the only one (that I saw) who did not stand up and cheer her when she came up to the dais, but I did not boo her, either. The books, if you chose to buy one, were pre-autographed–but she would “personalize” them if you stood in another line after her “speech.”

    When I walked into the theater, there was a long line of people waiting to get beer and popcorn. They were mainly your typical 20 something wannabe hippie-ish looking kids, but there were some older, age 60 and up group—those that were the real hippies during Vietnam.

    I heard someone in the refreshment line say, “Hey, no cutting in line” sort of under his breath. I looked to see who had “cut” in line (all the way to the head of the line)–and it was Cindy Sheehan and some older, grey haired guy–kind of shaggy and disheveled type. Sheehan herself was dressed in a long black and white skirt and a long sleeved black T-shirt. I couldn’t make out the white lettering on the front—it may have been that one with the Arabic characters; not sure.

    She was talking in that annoying monotone how she had to get something to drink before she spoke so her throat wouldn’t be dry. Tiffany was in the theater, down in the front, in a pink shirt that said “Rebels” on the front, and “Pink 86″ on the back.

    I really don’t think anyone in the line recognized her. I really think they were all there for “the name–” or because it was free–or because hers is the cause du jour among “protesters–” but I didn’t notice any excitement or whispering.

    I started to approach her to ask if I could take her picture. Then, I thought, she won’t care if I take her picture—she’s used to (and adores) having her picture taken.

    So I stepped near her when she was ordering and took her picture with my camera phone. When people saw me do that, they apparently woke up and realized who that tall, hulking woman was.

    So, when she got whatever it was she got to drink, some short girl stepped up and hugged her. Sheehan looked like her typical, looming, vulturish self when she leaned over to hug her.

    I was planning to wait until her “question and answer” session was over to ask her any questions. I didn’t want to come off as ignorant and confrontational; the way she and her groupies do when they disrupt congressional meetings or Presidential speeches.

    However, her spiel was really starting to get on my nerves, and my heart was nearly pounding out of my chest, listening to her diatribe. (She actually praised one woman in the audience for helping her son go AWOL.)

    So when she took a breath, I stood up and very respectfully interrupted her by saying something like this (paraphrasing from memory:)

    “Cindy, I have listened to you for over a year now. I am a Vietnam era veteran, and, you can boo me if you’d like (people did) but I am here tonight to let you know that you don’t speak for me, nor for any other Vietnam era veteran I know. I am going to exercise my first amendment rights here, but not in the way you are so fond of doing. I never hear you say anything new–it’s always more of the same old stuff, but you never have a solution. You claim you have accomplished so much, but I fail to see what you’ve accomplished.

    You are disrespecting and spitting on the memory of all veterans, including your son, who was a hero, by referring to them as “children.” Bush did not kill your son. Your son was an ADULT–he ENLISTED, by choice–TWICE. There is no draft. If one of my children enlisted, I’d respect their choice and be proud of their patriotism. It’s THEIR decision–they are adults.”

    By this time, people were telling me to sit down and shut up, and one of the bookstore handlers and a security guy came and asked me if I wanted to be escorted out. I told them I was simply exercising my 1st amendment rights, and far more respectfully than she does, and, as a veteran, helped support her right to be up there in the first place–even though I didn’t agree with her–and that they should have no problem (nor should Sheehan) with a disagreeing viewpoint.

    They backed off, but not before Sheehan said, “She’s (meaning me) been paid to be here and say that.” LOL!!!! Then she started talking again how Casey was “just a boy” (at 21) whose recruiter lied to him, and how parents have a responsibility to keep their children from joining the military to “support a neo-con agenda.” She also said we spend–I think she said 10 million dollars an HOUR in Iraq. Of course, at some point she worked in praise for Hugo Chavez, and bashed Bush at every opportunity.

    Then, a frizzy-haired, kind of unkempt looking woman came up and took my picture. I figured it would end up on some radical left-wing blog somewhere; didn’t really care, just wished I’d bothered to put on lipstick, LOL!

    The thing finally ended (Sheehan asked people to send money via her website) and I got up to leave. A guy in front of me shook my hand and said he didn’t agree with me—”As a veteran who has served during wartime, how can you not be for peace?” I told him that EVERYBODY is for peace; we’d all like the rainbows and unicorns world where everybody loves one another, but, unfortunately, there are radical, dangerous people out there who want to kill us simply because we are not Muslims. I also said I got tired of Sheehan compulsively whining, but never having a solution as to how we’d achieve her utopia.

    He asked me to join his group–The VFP. I thanked him, said, no, there was too much corruption going on with certain VFP people during Katrina–for example, Gordon Soderberg (I named him) and others, “liberating” Red Cross supplies. He said he’d not heard of that; thanked me for my service, I thanked him for his, and he left.

    Then another woman came to talk to me. She was very nice; just said that she’d wished people in the audience hadn’t been so rude, as she would have liked a conversation between Sheehan and I to develop. (In fact, while others around us were telling me to sit down, she told them to “Let her (me) talk.”

    Here’s where it gets interesting. The same woman who took my picture came and sat in front of us. I said to her jokingly, “You took my picture–how about if I take yours?” She put her arm up as if she was going to take my cell phone away, and then she put her arm over her face and sat down. I wasn’t really interested in taking her picture anyway—I figured she was just one of Sheehan’s minions (by this time, Tiffany and a couple other slaves were standing near her talking, but they soon left. I kept talking to the woman, having a very interesting conversation about all kinds of things, including her own pacifism and her husband’s viewpoints (he’d served in Vietnam.)

    I looked down and I saw the other woman–the one who’d taken my picture—apparently RECORDING our conversation! I said, “Hey! This is a private conversation! You don’t have permission to record our conversation!” The woman with whom I was conversing objected, too.

    I reached out and went to grab her tape recorder—I got the mike, and it snapped off in my hand.

    She became livid, and struck me full force with her arm, knocking me to the ground.

    I called for security, saying “I want this woman arrested for assault!”

    She then grabbed my shirt and neck scarf and tried to rip it (and did rip my shirt.) I grabbed her I.D. card, on a cord around her neck, and it ripped off. She started yelling at me to give it back, so I stuck it between my skirt and my slip and said “It’s in my underwear. You really want to take it back from me?”

    Cops came and took our separate stories. I was crying; this had been very emotional (the attacks on veterans, patriotism, and on our country and our Commander in Chief–even though we all question his wisdom, he’s still our Commander in Chief.

    The woman with whom I’d been talking stayed around and gave her story as my witness. The other woman had no witness, unless she got a sympathetic 20 something far left winger to lie for her–don’t doubt it–plenty of them around playing “looky lou.”

    Cops said that I was the one who committed the crime–destroying her mike–even though it was unintentional. They claim that anyone can record any private conversation in any public place and use it however they’d like to. She claimed that she didn’t record anything, and that, even if she did, they could not force her to turn the tape over.

    We went around and around–I told them I wouldn’t give her press pass back without the tape–I really only grabbed it so that i’d have her real name and title in case she gave the police a fake name and I.D.–finally the cops told me to pursue it with the D.A. if I wanted to press assault charges. I do, and I will–I will also call the (very, very liberal) radio station tomorrow and speak to the general manager about this “volunteer” who will likely pass the tape she made on to the station–and be paid for it. Since I knew her real name, I finally gave the press pass back ( I let the woman go on thinking it had been in hidden deep inside my underwear all that time, LOL!) I don’t really care if the tape is aired; I didn’t say anything I wouldn’t have said (I mentioned how her understanding of geography and history is just wrong, as evidenced by statements made in her book, LOL!) regardless of the circumstances—I just think people should obtain permission before recording private conversations!

    So that’s my story for this evening. I’d probably have been better off if I’d spent those wasted hours at the gym, but I figured I should take one for the team (you guys) and report back to you that Shee-hag’s the same old, brain-dead, simpering idiot she’s always been. In fact, this is how she addressed the audience once she got up to the dais–I kid you not:

    “Awesome!! Awesome!! I haven’t had an audience this big since my last book signing at Camp Casey! I am glad you all came out! Isn’t there, like, Monday night football tonight, or something?”

    Funny thing, before I went, I was trying to convince my husband to go, telling him it was his duty as a veteran, just like it was mine, to speak up against this seditionist scum; somebody who gave aid and comfort to terrorists–to the enemy–during wartime. He said, “I’m glad that lady has the right to voice her opinion. I don’t have to agree with her.” I told him, that’s the POINT–she just doesn’t understand that, were it not for people like her son, and countless generations of others just like him (and us, and you guys) she WOULDN’T be able to stand up there and criticize our country and all we stand for.

    He laughed, said he couldn’t waste time on her, and went to hit golf balls–told me to call him if I needed to be bailed out of jail, LOL!!

    I heard Sheehan was confronted by some other audience member in some other city today, who wasn’t as nice to her as I was—apparently asked her why she didn’t go to Iraq….

  53. stevierae54

    P.S. All I kept thinking as I drove down there, thinking of what I could say concisely and still get my point across adroitly and non-confrontationally before being “silenced–”

    I WISH SJ WAS HERE WITH ME!!!! HE’D SAY IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD!!!!!

    And, he has that tater-stick…..

  54. zoomie

    StevieRae, That is what I call taking one for the team!! Boy, how I wish I could have been there to stand up with you. SHE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR US, BUT YOU DID!!! Awesome job, StevieRae, just AWESOME!!

  55. 1sttofight

    Way to go stevierae!!!!!!! I owe you the adult beverage of your choice if we ever meet in person.

    That was truley couragious, you may be a woman , but you have a big pair of brass ones. ;)

  56. sheehanjihad

    StevieRae….you have the absolute admiration of SJ for your courage under fire, and your unrelenting demands for the truth from that flaccid gluteous maximus. I mean it. I am PROUD OF YOU for doing what I wish I could do. And yes, perhaps I could have been more eloquent in insulting her, and perhaps I would have decked that hag with the recorder and kept her tonsils instead of a mic….but you were there. You were on the front lines, and you ruined her evening with questions she couldnt answer. You are number one in my book. You did us all proud, and our country even more so. You will be receiving a bronze “tater stick” in the mail soon.

  57. rocketman

    SR54 is tops !!

  58. Zilla

    Way to go StevieRae!!
    I went to a SheeSnag event once. I could never ask a question though. I couldn’t stop laughing.

  59. mathews

    stevierae54, am in Portland and been to the Bagdad Theatre a few times. but I didnt hear anything about this “event” before or after as in last nights local news, you must have been preempted by that home invasion story in Raliegh Hills.

    it’s dangerous confronting those wacko wankers, thanks

  60. stevierae54

    Here’s a video showing her book signing in Long Island that didn’t go so well for her, courtesy of LGF (and Hannity and Colmes:)

    http://littlegreenfootballs.co.....k&only

  61. wirenut

    stevierae… Anybody that put up with that B.S. has at least earned a THANK-YOU from those of us that were not able to attend. And again THANK-YOU for being YOU , a voice of reason and decency in a world of mud. Hands down and hats off !!!!! My God , what’s next, Mooselimbs?

  62. Warmonger Infidel

    sr…..you forever have my respect shipmate. What you did took guts and determination…..both traits that I greatly admire in those that have them.

  63. 1sttofight

    Back off WI, I have already lined up one drink for her. Dont be cutting in line. ;)

    BTW, I watched THE FIGHTING SEABEES for the forth time this week yesterday.. Damn, John Wayne has got killed every time I watched it.

  64. wirenut

    OH , stevierae , I’m not sure but I think SJ and 1st would aprove of ” have tater-stick will travel ” .

  65. 1sttofight

    I saw that tape of her in LI. Gees , I really dont think I could be in the same room her with out spending the night in jail.

  66. Warmonger Infidel

    1st……You keep watching that and we are going to convert you. I can only stand it about once a year. And hell, I’d buy her the whole bottle of whatever she was drinking. Don’t know if you knew sr is a retired Navy Corpsman. SR…correct me if I’m wrong but I think her hubby is also. She is now my all time favorite “Doc”.

  67. 1sttofight

    Yeah and John gets shot ever time I watch SANDS OF IWO JIMA too no matter how many times I watch it.
    But yes, If I have to go to the ER I want SR there giving me aid and comfort.. Maybe she can smuggle me in a drink because if I am in the ER I damned well will need one.

  68. Warmonger Infidel

    Sands of Iwo Jima is my all time favorite!

  69. stevierae54

    “Damn, John Wayne has got killed every time I watched it.”

    ROFLMAO!!!!! With tears running down my cheeks from the uncontrolled laughter!!

    1st, you are so funny–you are right up there with SJ–a true compliment. You are an S&L treasure.

    I’ll be there with the bourbon (Jack Daniels?) and a little ice anytime you are in any ER. I’m sure we’d all (S&Lers) rally round to smuggle in provide you with your favorite form of “aid and comfort.”

    WI, yes, I was a corpsman, but not retired–I served about 61/2 years; got out and became an RN. Yes, my husband was also a corpsman–we met in corps school.

    Damn, WI, you get around—do you have building contracts on both the East and West Coasts (and everywhere in-between?)

    P.S. Do you know I actually have BRUISES on my arm from that woman knocking me down last night? Damn! I’m tellin’ ya–shoulda had SJ and his taterstick with me.

    If I’d known mathews was local, I would have called him to come along!

  70. Zilla

    SR
    Next time, call the S.L.U.T.S. for backup.

  71. Warmonger Infidel

    sr…..even if you aren’t retired, just like a Marine….once a “Doc” always a “Doc”.

  72. wardmama4

    SR - congratulations on going and speaking up. I missed BSCS when she was local (won’t pay for either local newspaper and rarely watch tv during the day) But I am now checking online (as I also missed the President who was about 10 minutes from the house last week).

    I am glad that you stood up and asked the questions. It is the simple, slobbering acceptence as fact of the drivel that just drives me to distraction of the left/dems these days and it (hopefully) will make one person in the crowd stop and think.

    That is all that is needed to turn the tide - one person who stops and thinks. If we get this going around the country - the dems with their poison attacks and no real plans, platform or solutions - can’t win.

    Keep up the good work.

  73. artboyusa

    StevieRae, thank you! That was a brilliant piece of reporting, just excellent. What courage, to go in there like that…I’m just impressed as hell. Thanks again for doing what you did and thanks for such a great post. Total respect.

  74. Timothy Peters

    I read reference to this site today and had to see for myself. I don’t know how people can be so vile. What purpose is served by personal attacks on a grieving mother? This woman lost her only son in a war that she believes to be illegal, immoral and unnecessary. Who are any of us to say how or how long one can grieve the loss of a child from a violent death. What is so wrong with this mother wanting to spare another mother, another family, that grief? Cindy does not hate America. Anti-war activists do not generally hate America. Our government and America are not one-in-the-same. Cindy cares deeply about her country, and has courage enough to question her government when it screws up this badly. She has experienced first hand the truth about war and has a right, if not an obligation, to speak out. Th truth abou war is that is about death and destruction. It is always about death and destruction and never about anything absent death and destruction. While you’re busy Cindy-bashing, did you realize that your constitutional right to habeas corpus has been revoked, torture is now approved US policy, and we’re going to build a 700-mile wall on the southern border that’s supposed to fix our immigration problem? Such insanity. Let’s focus on truth and issues that actually matter to how we live our lives and skip the personal attacks, which serve no one. Namaste.

  75. rocketman

    Timmy,
    Before you go on a stupid F’n rant, you’d better get you ducks in a row…
    You wrote: This woman lost her only son. Wrongo.. she has a daughter and another son. Suggest to go smoke your wack-weed on some other blog page… maybe you can hook up with Wellrested or Bluemoonie

  76. SG

    “Cindy does not hate America.”

    “The star-spangled banner, which I can now see whipping in the wind outside of an airport terminal where I am writing this from does not fill me with pride: it fills me with shame and that flag symbolizes sorrow and corruption to me right now. The flag represents so much lying, fixed elections, profiting by the war machine, high gas prices, spying on Americans, rapid erosion of our freedoms while BushCo literally gets away with murder, torture and extreme rendition, contaminating the world with depleted uranium, and illegal and immoral wars that are responsible for killing so many. A symbol which used to represent hope to so many around the world now fills so many with disgust.”

    Cindy Sheehan: “US Flag Fills Me With Shame” | Sweetness & Light
    http://www.sweetness-light.com.....with-shame

    “I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bullshit to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: ‘This country is not worth dying for.’”

    Quotes Not Appearing In Mother Sheehan’s Book | Sweetness & Light
    http://www.sweetness-light.com.....han-quotes

  77. groovygrl

    Timmy—

    Habes Corpus can be revoked in wartime. Lincoln (REPUBLICAN) also did it. And if you’re not spying for a hostile government, you really don’t need to worry about it. And if you are you get 4,000 calories of great food in a tropical island. Free medical too!

    Sorry to be so glib but to understand our disgust with her, maybe YOU should research her views completely before you defend her. Read what she’s said unfiltered. If you’re not an antisemite, whackjob yourself, you’ll want to bleach your brain from her filth. If you are an antisemite, whackjob, go be Rachel Corrie’s replacement and leave us alone, There are plenty of potholes that need filled in the Middle East.

  78. SG

    “While you’re busy Cindy-bashing, did you realize that your constitutional right to habeas corpus has been revoked…”

    I didn’t know foreign terrorists had rights under the US Constitution.

    You learn something new every day.

  79. groovygrl

    Apparently to some people you get constitutional rights without stepping onto US soil. Except if you’re from some utopia like Venezuela or Cuba. Then you get dissappeared.

  80. KillerBees

    “I didn’t know foreign terrorists had rights under the US Constitution.”

    Well, you see in Timmy’s world there are no borders so the US Constitution applies to everyone (except for that silly part about gun ownership, I’m sure). And I suppose while he is sharing *our* (American citizens) Constitutional rights he probably would like to share our paychecks with everyone else also…

  81. englishqueen01

    …and we’re going to build a 700-mile wall on the southern border that’s supposed to fix our immigration problem?

    And that’s a bad thing, why?

    I worked in law enforcement, and 95% of the perps I read about were…ta da!…illegal immigrants. And we’re not talking traffic violators here. We’re talking homicidal, drug-dealing, armed-robbery thugs.

    You and your cohorts accuse Bush of stomping on the Constitution and breaking the laws of this nation, yet you say nothing - NOTHING - of the 11 million people who come here, don’t abide by our laws at all (last I checked, Bush paid his taxes and wasn’t a murdering drug-dealer), and you feel SORRY for them because we’re trying to protect our nation from them via a wall?

    What a load of hooey.

    If you still have a problem with it, then let’s deport 11 million left-wing moonbats and the illegals can take their place. Because neither group is doing much to benefit the nation, its economy, or its security.

  82. groovygrl

    Hey, artboy, Cindy’s complaining about high gas prices. How much are those gas prices where you are?

  83. KillerBees

    “Th truth abou war is that is about death and destruction. It is always about death and destruction and never about anything absent death and destruction.”

    So what is terrorism about? You seem so willing to let them off the hook…

  84. Kilmeny

    Mr. Peters: While I appreciate a post that is spelled correctly and actually observes the rules of grammar and punctuation (alas, most of our trolls can’t spell K-A-T), your post has a rather been-there, heard-that quality. Yawn. Why don’t you tell us something we haven’t heard or something a little less absurd?

  85. silver charm

    Hey Timmah, why don’t you step away from the bong for a while and read up some of your heroine’s spew? Secondly, if you haven’t noticed that Cindy’s rants, often than not, contradict her previous statements or are out and out lies, then why don’t you do a little research instead of parroting the same old blind slobbering rants?

    Oh, and stop for a minute and ask your self why you have so much faith in this droning moron. I have socks with higher IQ’s than her. How does a room temperature IQ qualify her to decide national policy?

    As for that grieving mother routine; that dog won’t hunt either. To paraphrase Ann Coulter, when you are charging that much for speaking, only appearing when there is an oppurtunity to mug for a reporter, and you have your own full time PR flack, you are not a grieving mother, you are a c-list celebrity trolling for a book deal.

    And don’t even go there with this group about grieving for children etc. Don’t even. I’ve burried my firstborn and many on this list have suffered similar tragidies. We just didn’t use them to fulfill narcicistic fantasies like your scumball friend, Cindy Sheehan.

    So in closing, I’d just like to say, “Timmah, shut your bonghole, you f’ing creep.

  86. silver charm

    “If you are an antisemite, whackjob, go be Rachel Corrie’s replacement and leave us alone, There are plenty of potholes that need filled in the Middle East.”

    Dang, groovygirl, just dang! That is so funny. Sorry but I’m going to have to plagarize that one.

    ROTF!

  87. Gila Monster

    “Hey, artboy, Cindy’s complaining about high gas prices. How much are those gas prices where you are? ”

    Not to answer for artboy GG, but when I left the UK in July of this year, petrol was running one UK Pound per liter, roughly 7.50 US per gallon.

  88. Timothy Peters

    Cindy’s son was killed in war. If it was not her only son, does that somehow lessens the tragedy? I maintain that America is not the same thing as America’s government. One can love America and loath the government. It is called dissent and some consider it a high form of patriotism. Yes, non-citizens have, stike that, had rights, including habeas corpus, under the U.S. Constitution. Of course that was pre-911, pre-Bush administration. Today, anyone may be labeled a terrorist by GWB and can be held indefinately, without charge. No worries if you don’t step off of the sidewalk? “First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    It is naive and cynical to say that the prisoners being held in Gitmo are living the good life. Some were children; some have gone completely insane; others strapped down and force-fed as a response to their hunger strikes. Is it anti-American to speak of these unpleasant truths? I think not. If your child lies or steals, do you say it is not so, or would you try to correct the behavior? What is absurd about treating each other with kindness and respect? I am hardly a radical. I am most conservative. I believe in conserving life, conserving resources, conserving dignity and good manners. I think bombing is radical. I think bombing is absurd. A call for peace and end to war is not absurd. I don’t expect that I would change anyone’s thinking. I don’t need to do that. I do need to speak my conscious. I just think that people ought to be able to express themselves without getting personally attacked for having diferent ideas. America doesn’t mean the same thing to every American. The flag does not belong only to the war supporters, the Bush administration supporters. It is supposed to represent all of us. Shalom, Salaam, Peace.

  89. stevierae54

    I wonder if Mr. Peters was at the same Sheehan “speech” I was at Monday night. Sheehan claimed that the Foley scandal was “conveniently” manufactured on Friday soley to divert the nation’s attention from “our right to habeas corpus being revoked on Thursday.”

    She also had plenty of vicious, ad hominem attacks to make on President Bush, his children (for some reason she thinks that the President’s daughters do nothing but get manicures, and that the President can “send” them to serve in Iraq) and the rest of the Bush administration—particularly Condoleeza Rice and Karl Rove.

    Killerbees, good comment–I’d like to hear Mr. Peter’s perception of what terrorism is all about (if not death and destruction.)

    Maybe Mr. Peters just buys Simpleton Sheehan’s premise that, somehow, it’s America’s fault that radical Islamic terrorists hate us, and that we should all work just a little harder (peacefully, of course) to “UNDERSTAND” why they hate us. In Sheehan’s simple little world, we should do whatever it takes to make them “love” us.

    She doesn’t seem to understand that NOTHING we could do (other than perhaps to roll over and “peacefully” allow our own extermination to take place–maybe we should just commit mass suicide at a designated hour, and save them the trouble) would make them “love” us.

    She also seems to think that we should, en masse, “take to the streets” and practice “civil disobedience” in the form of “peacefully” disturbing the peace, becoming public nuisances, and generally creating disorder for the good citizens who are simply trying to get through their workdays. What, exactly, does civil disobedience accomplish, other than a stint in jail (often paid for by us, the taxpayers) and a fine? Maybe it was a useful (and powerful) technique once, long ago–indeed, it helped spur the passage of the shamefully overdue Civil Rights Act—but today it’s an archaic, useless technique.

    This is an old post directed to Sheehan from Mohammed at Iraq the Model. He’s one who apparently didn’t (and likely still doesn’t) agree with her rant that “Iraqis want us out of Iraq.”

    Friday, August 12, 2005

    A message to Cindy Sheehan
    I realize how tragic your loss is and I know how much pain there is crushing your heart and I know the darkness that suddenly came to wrap your life and wipe away your dreams and I do feel the heat of your tears that won’t dry until you find the answers to your question; why you lost your loved one?

    I have heard your story and I understand that you have the full right to ask people to stand by your side and support your cause. At the beginning I told myself, this is yet another woman who lost a piece of her heart and the questions of war, peace and why are killing her everyday. To be frank to you the first thing I thought of was like “why should I listen or care to answer when there are thousands of other women in America, Iraq and Afghanistan who lost a son or a husband or a brother…”

    But today I was looking at your picture and I saw in your eyes a persistence, a great pain and a torturing question; why?

    I know how you feel Cindy, I lived among the same pains for 35 years but worse than that was the fear from losing our loved ones at any moment. Even while I’m writing these words to you there are feelings of fear, stress, and sadness that interrupt our lives all the time but in spite of all that I’m sticking hard to hope which if I didn’t have I would have died years ago.

    Ma’am, we asked for your nation’s help and we asked you to stand with us in our war and your nation’s act was (and still is) an act of ultimate courage and unmatched sense of humanity.
    Our request is justified, death was our daily bread and a million Iraqi mothers were expecting death to knock on their doors at any second to claim someone from their families.
    Your face doesn’t look strange to me at all; I see it everyday on endless numbers of Iraqi women who were struck by losses like yours.

    Our fellow country men and women were buried alive, cut to pieces and thrown in acid pools and some were fed to the wild dogs while those who were lucky enough ran away to live like strangers and the Iraqi mother was left to grieve one son buried in an unfound grave and another one living far away who she might not get to see again.

    We did nothing to deserve all that suffering, well except for a dream we had; a dream of living like normal people do.

    We cried out of joy the day your son and his comrades freed us from the hands of the devil and we went to the streets not believing that the nightmare is over.
    We practiced our freedom first by kicking and burning the statues and portraits of the hateful idol who stole 35 years from the life of a nation.
    For the first time air smelled that beautiful, that was the smell of freedom.

    The mothers went to break the bars of cells looking for the ones they lost 5, 12 or 20 years ago and other women went to dig the land with their bare hand searching for a few bones they can hold in their arms after they couldn’t hold them when they belonged to a living person.

    I recall seeing a woman on TV two years ago, she was digging through the dirt with her hands. There was no definite grave in there as the whole place was one large grave but she seemed willing to dig the whole place looking for her two brothers who disappeared from earth 24 years ago when they were dragged from their colleges to a chamber of hell.

    Her tears mixed with the dirt of the grave and there were journalists asking her about what her brothers did wrong and she was screaming “I don’t know, I don’t know. They were only college students. They didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t steal, and they didn’t hurt anyone in their lives. All I want to know is the place of their grave”.

    Why was this woman chosen to lose her dear ones? Why you? Why did a million women have to go through the same pain?

    We did not choose war for the sake of war itself and we didn’t sacrifice a million lives for fun! We could’ve accepted our jailor and kept living in our chains for the rest of our lives but it’s freedom ma’am.
    Freedom is not an American thing and it’s not an Iraqi thing, it’s what unites us as human beings. We refuse all kinds of restrictions and that’s why we fought and still fighting everyday in spite of the swords in the hands of the cavemen who want us dead or slaves for their evil masters.

    You are free to go and leave us alone but what am I going to tell your million sisters in Iraq? Should I ask them to leave Iraq too? Should I leave too? And what about the eight millions who walked through bombs to practice their freedom and vote? Should they leave this land too?
    Is it a cursed land that no one should live in? Why is it that we were chosen to live in all this pain, why me, why my people, why you?

    But I am not leaving this land because the bad guys are not going to leave us or you to live in peace. They are the same ones who flew the planes to kill your people in New York.
    I ask you in the name of God or whatever you believe in; do not waste your son’s blood.
    We here have decided to avenge humanity, you and all the women who lost their loved ones.
    Take a look at our enemy Cindy, look closely at the hooded man holding the sword and if you think he’s right then I will back off and support your call.

    We live in pain and grief everyday, every hour, every minute; all the horrors of the powers of darkness have been directed at us and I don’t know exactly when am I going to feel safe again, maybe in a year, maybe two or even ten; I frankly don’t know but I don’t want to lose hope and faith.

    We are in need for every hand that can offer some help. Please pray for us, I know that God listens to mothers’ prayers and I call all the women on earth to pray with you for peace in this world.

    Your son sacrificed his life for a very noble cause…No, he sacrificed himself for the most precious value in this existence; that is freedom.

    His blood didn’t go in vain; your son and our brethren are drawing a great example of selflessness.
    God bless his free soul and God bless the souls of his comrades who are fighting evil.
    God bless the souls of Iraqis who suffered and died for the sake of freedom.
    God bless all the freedom lovers on earth.

  90. 1sttofight

    Timmy, It is as much fun to read your drivel as it is to read the snags. You dont have a clue to how the real world works and I doubt you ever will. My 4 year old Grand Daughter has more courage and common sense than you ever will have.

    Go hug a terrorist and spare us the wasted time trying to read your drivel.

  91. groovygrl

    Timmy, You are so trite. It’s nice you are so gentle souled. We need people like you. BUT, we are at war. We didnot declare this war. We did not want this war. We would like nothing more than to not have to go to war. This is not a war for oil, this is not a war for bragging rights, this is not fun and games for ANYONE!!!!! If you want to know why we are there, go listen to what the jihadists have to say. REALLY listen. They want your head removed from it’s body, sitting on your chest. They want your wife and your children in servitude. It is a war to keep our way of life. Your flower power and bumper stickers are no use against an Islamofascist. Peace is not a natural state. It must be worked for. And there are thousands of young men and women in camoflauge fatigues doing that dirty work so you can spout your silly plattitudes. Keep going…say what you want. But if you get your way, buy lots of linen, you’ll need it for your female family members burkhas. OH, and see the ask the imams postings here. You’re gonna want to know what foot to use to step into the restroom

  92. rocketman

    “It is naive and cynical to say that the prisoners being held in Gitmo are living the good life. Some were children; some have gone completely insane”

    No Timmy, you are the who is naive. The average weight gain of the Gitmo guys is 18 pounds. One has even gone from 215 to 410 pounds Sure sounds like the food is good….

    As far they being “children”…Let me tell ya something…..A “child” once tried to kill me in VietNam. He never made it adulthood

    As far as being insane…Well, DUH !! Anyone who needs some illiterate Imam tell him which hand to use to wipe his ass, pick his teeth, or wack his willey is indeed insane… or maybe just plain stupid! Stupidity seems to be going around these days.

  93. DEZ

    Patriotism may come in many forms.
    Dissent can be a tool. But it does not automatically make someone a patriot.
    Dissent is now the in vogue thing to do for the Hollywood crowd.
    So every simpleton that wants to look cool must use the word.
    So now the likes of jane fonda, George clooney and cindy sheehan are patriots
    B.S.
    And rights are vanishing, Oh the ones that the left wants to give to the enemies of the U.S.A.
    Go read the Constitution.
    I don’t know if any of the detainees are children unless you use cindies definition.
    But let me think, Oh our soldiers thought the were a threat.
    What are they supposed to do send them home with a note and a stearn warning.
    And if we let these detainees starve we are barbarians, If we force feed them
    we are barbarians.
    Awe some have gone completely insane.
    O.K. Doc. How about a little proof of that one.
    Or I will just take your word and believe they have gone insane.
    Like thats a big step for a cave dweller who’s only use for fire is his molotov cocktail.
    Just what color do you want your burka?
    Hmmmm Peter or should I call you Dick.

  94. wampaku40

    I am so tired of Timmy’s type - this war is illegal. Who says? Where? On what basis do you make such stupid comments? The Congress is funding it, so it is not illegal. You and yours, Timmy, are so shallow. Peace at any cost. No war on my block. Fine, Timmy, you cede your rights to whomever you want. The rest of us are joining together to ensure the continuation of the collective freedoms of this county and that which its religiously-inclined founders bought, paid for and secured. If it means a temporary, or even semi-permanent change in your lifestyle, well, go whine elsewhere. You certainly are allowed to come here or anywhere else (in America - not likely elsewhere) and say or write whatever innane drivel you want, but it won’t do anything but prove to the rest of us time and again what shallow, stupid, short-sighted, selfish and anti-American you are. Have or say your peace, Timmy, just bend over and plan to enjoy it.

  95. stevierae54

    Mr. Peters, I think I know where you are coming from–please correct me if I am wrong. I practice both Catholicism and Tibetan Buddhism (first one as my religion; second one as a philosophy; a path to enlightenment.)

    I hear similar things from both Buddhist lamas and Roman Catholic priests—”War is not the answer;” “Go in peace and love one another;” and the ever-trite “Give Peace a Chance.”

    All these are very noble sentiments–but they are trite; just as trite as the “Arms are Meant for Hugging” and “It Will Be a Great Day When Our Schools Have All the Money They Need and the Air Force Has to Hold Bake Sales to Buy a Bomber” protest signs of the ’60s.

    They are unworkable solutions for an acute, grave state of affairs. We would love nothing more than to live in peace—but, then again, this is not the Garden of Eden.

    We can’t simply sit down with Islamic jihadists and offer to buy them a coke–or a glass of tea–or break bread with them. They DESPISE us—not just because we are not Muslim, and not just because they dislike the politics of George Bush. They hate America, period, and want it wiped off the map.

    Let me re-post for you the excellent sentiments expressed above by groovygrl, since they bear repeating:

    “BUT, we are at war. We did not declare this war. We did not want this war. We would like nothing more than to not have to go to war. This is not a war for oil, this is not a war for bragging rights, this is not fun and games for ANYONE!!!!!

    If you want to know why we are there, go listen to what the jihadists have to say. REALLY listen. They want your head removed from it’s body, sitting on your chest. They want your wife and your children in servitude. It is a war to keep our way of life.

    Your flower power and bumper stickers are no use against an Islamofascist.”

  96. fluffy

    Looks like I am late to the party again.

    stevierae54 !!!!! I shall hold my lighter aloft in your honor.

  97. wampaku40

    Mr Peters, as you respectfully allude to him, SR, does not want to use anything against an Islamofacist. Mr. Peters is happiest being conciliatory to everyone in their wants. Mr Peters wants to sit in his house and do whatever vile things he does and not have to answer for it to anyone. That is the legacy of Clinton and the modern Democrats. America’s heritage means nothing. America’s future means nothing. Mr. Peter’s feelings mean much, much more. In fact, that is all that matters. He wants the vile name calling to stop - it hurts his ears - and if America will stop being a bully so that we can enrich our oil moguls, it will stop. He thinks. Mr. Peters wants only the life that he sees on his television, enacted by Tom Cruise, Danny Glover, Oprah and Rosie, Barbra Streisand, Micheal Moore and that irrelevent West WIng guy, Sheen. Mr. Peters has no clue about real life. War hurts people, breaks things, makes messes…..so stop it. Mr. Peters probably known no one effected directly by the destruction of the Twin Towers. It interrupted his vacation plans perhaps, his regular tv viewing likely, but believes it to be America’s fault anyway. Mr. Peter’s is, by any estimate, a fat, cellulite-ridden unwashed pimpled ass. So was Mohammed. But names never hurt anyone…..

  98. Timothy Peters

    Thank you all for your enlightening comments. Although I don’t understand the depth of fear or the torture of this anger, I am trying to understand. I am a confirmed pacifist and follower of the nonviolent principles of Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, Jr., et al., having chosen to reject violence in any form – physical, mental or verbal. Clearly that is not a theme carried forward in this Orwellian-titled Web site, Sweetness & Light. Fortunately, the shocking cruelty and abuses heaped on the mother of a dead soldier are somewhat confined within this rather close-nit circle of Jerry-Springer-type infotainment. Half-truths, mythology and nationalistic fervor should remain relatively intact at Sweetness