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		<title>By: bronzeprofessor</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152855</link>
		<dc:creator>bronzeprofessor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smartest point of view I have heard on climate change came, quite shockingly, from the NY Times. The NY Times interviewed an aging Princeton professor who came out of the closet as a climate skeptic. He said (1) he wasn&#039;t sure if climate change was occurring, and (2) If it is occurring, it might be good to warm up parts of the world that suffer from high heating bills because of the cold.

You can go without air conditioning, presumably, more easily than forego heating costs in a cold climate. And so, if you warm up the planet, you burn fewer fossil fuels to heat up cold places. How interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smartest point of view I have heard on climate change came, quite shockingly, from the NY Times. The NY Times interviewed an aging Princeton professor who came out of the closet as a climate skeptic. He said (1) he wasn&#8217;t sure if climate change was occurring, and (2) If it is occurring, it might be good to warm up parts of the world that suffer from high heating bills because of the cold.</p>
<p>You can go without air conditioning, presumably, more easily than forego heating costs in a cold climate. And so, if you warm up the planet, you burn fewer fossil fuels to heat up cold places. How interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Dangerous</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152801</link>
		<dc:creator>Dangerous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proreason is right.

Tomorrow is July 4th; Independence Day.  What do you plan to do to protect it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proreason is right.</p>
<p>Tomorrow is July 4th; Independence Day.  What do you plan to do to protect it?</p>
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		<title>By: RightWinger</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152778</link>
		<dc:creator>RightWinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soetoro Airlines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soetoro Airlines?</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152775</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap and Tax and Universal Health Scare is the two-pronged attack to complete the desctruction of capitalism and put total economic control in the hands of the Obamycrats.

These two laws are the equivalent of total war.

If they are implemented, the United States ceases to exist as a democratic republic and becomes a government controlled dictatorship.  

Avergage lifestyles will be 10-50% of what they are today.   The country will revert to the economy of the Soviet Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap and Tax and Universal Health Scare is the two-pronged attack to complete the desctruction of capitalism and put total economic control in the hands of the Obamycrats.</p>
<p>These two laws are the equivalent of total war.</p>
<p>If they are implemented, the United States ceases to exist as a democratic republic and becomes a government controlled dictatorship.  </p>
<p>Avergage lifestyles will be 10-50% of what they are today.   The country will revert to the economy of the Soviet Union.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152773</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with working for a major airline is that the government doesn&#039;t run them.

Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with working for a major airline is that the government doesn&#8217;t run them.</p>
<p>Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: BigOil</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152765</link>
		<dc:creator>BigOil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calculating the destructive impact of Cap and Trade (CO2 regulation) on industry is difficult since it hits a business from multiple directions.

Restricting the supply of energy, and subsequently increasing the cost, has a direct impact on any businesses operating expense.  The cost can not all be passed on to consumers since foreign competitors are not paying the energy tax.
  
Charging an exhorbitant permit fee for CO2 emissions is a direct capital cost which must be added to any potential expansion project.

A massive bureaucracy that will track and enforce the CO2 limits will require companies to hire environmental specialists to protect their interests against the EPA bureaucrats, which is an additional labor cost.

Attempting to craft and process a permit to deal with the CO2 emissions - in addition to already regulated emissions - will stretch out project durations and add cost.

Bottom line is all of these costs combined - when figured into an economic evaluation of a project to determine its profitability - will be prohibitive and stop expansion of industry in this country.  Even companies that are not expanding, if they operate with a small enough profit margin, will be forced to shut their doors.   

Expect that giant sucking sound to begin in earnest as companies move operations overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calculating the destructive impact of Cap and Trade (CO2 regulation) on industry is difficult since it hits a business from multiple directions.</p>
<p>Restricting the supply of energy, and subsequently increasing the cost, has a direct impact on any businesses operating expense.  The cost can not all be passed on to consumers since foreign competitors are not paying the energy tax.</p>
<p>Charging an exhorbitant permit fee for CO2 emissions is a direct capital cost which must be added to any potential expansion project.</p>
<p>A massive bureaucracy that will track and enforce the CO2 limits will require companies to hire environmental specialists to protect their interests against the EPA bureaucrats, which is an additional labor cost.</p>
<p>Attempting to craft and process a permit to deal with the CO2 emissions &#8211; in addition to already regulated emissions &#8211; will stretch out project durations and add cost.</p>
<p>Bottom line is all of these costs combined &#8211; when figured into an economic evaluation of a project to determine its profitability &#8211; will be prohibitive and stop expansion of industry in this country.  Even companies that are not expanding, if they operate with a small enough profit margin, will be forced to shut their doors.   </p>
<p>Expect that giant sucking sound to begin in earnest as companies move operations overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Bytes</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152763</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Bytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was ever a face that begged to be waterboarded it would be Henry Waxman&#039;s.

How did America go from the likes of Reagan, Truman &amp; TR to be led around by the nose (pun fully intended) by twirps like Nostil-domus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was ever a face that begged to be waterboarded it would be Henry Waxman&#8217;s.</p>
<p>How did America go from the likes of Reagan, Truman &amp; TR to be led around by the nose (pun fully intended) by twirps like Nostil-domus.</p>
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		<title>By: Enthalpy</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152761</link>
		<dc:creator>Enthalpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals are unaffected by the truth unless it serves their beliefs. Hard science has been available for years refuting AGW. In the earth&#039;s history, concentrations of CO2 have often been highest during the coldest periods.

Sadly Rusty, liberals may understand it, but they won&#039;t accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are unaffected by the truth unless it serves their beliefs. Hard science has been available for years refuting AGW. In the earth&#8217;s history, concentrations of CO2 have often been highest during the coldest periods.</p>
<p>Sadly Rusty, liberals may understand it, but they won&#8217;t accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want the scary truth, John Griffing wrote this very illuminating article in American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/the_big_con.html

Puts it all out there, in plain terms so even a liberal can understand it, maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want the scary truth, John Griffing wrote this very illuminating article in American Thinker:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/the_big_con.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com.....g_con.html</a></p>
<p>Puts it all out there, in plain terms so even a liberal can understand it, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: RightWinger</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/captrade-may-close-20-manufacturers#comment-152757</link>
		<dc:creator>RightWinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the same boat Rusty.  I work for a major airline too and all the Lil&#039; Barry supporters here don&#039;t have much to clap about right now,  fearful Cap-n-Trade will cost their jobs.   Not that they have been clapping about anything the past couple of months.   The fall is looking especially bleak with the advance bookings being way down over last year.  If the Senate passes this nonsense,  you are right, that will finish off half of the airlines remaining.

I would suggest that the Post Office bring back the Pony Express, but PETA would put a stop to that in no time, the cruelty to horses on carrying all that heavy mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same boat Rusty.  I work for a major airline too and all the Lil&#8217; Barry supporters here don&#8217;t have much to clap about right now,  fearful Cap-n-Trade will cost their jobs.   Not that they have been clapping about anything the past couple of months.   The fall is looking especially bleak with the advance bookings being way down over last year.  If the Senate passes this nonsense,  you are right, that will finish off half of the airlines remaining.</p>
<p>I would suggest that the Post Office bring back the Pony Express, but PETA would put a stop to that in no time, the cruelty to horses on carrying all that heavy mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I work for a major airline and I wonder when they&#039;re going to get around to us. That is, by nature of burning fossil fuels as a primary way of doing business, they can&#039;t be happy about it all.  Thus, they will most likely tax the airline industry out of existence as well.  

Meanwhile, China, India, etc all tell them to go pound sand and I never thought I would applaud any move made by such nations.  

The irony is that the US is but one nation and not the once great mega-manufacturing one it used to be so while China builds a new coal-burning plant every hour, or whatever it is, the US strangles itself.  

And by the way, for the record, watch closely as the &quot;climate change&quot; numbers (the real ones) don&#039;t budge while the skewed data put forth by the toadies in the EPA show a &quot;marked decrease&quot; in &quot;climate-changing gasses&quot;.   Simultaneously, as they say this, China and India and Russia will have quadrupled the amount of gaseous emissions, yet the &quot;US numbers&quot; will still &quot;reflect&quot; a &quot;great change for the better&quot;.

Just watch....you&#039;ll see.

Of course, the notion that it&#039;s &quot;about the environment&quot; will become glaringly false.  Those of us here already know that.  But it will take that requisite amount of time for the rest of the sluggishly slow &quot;intellectuals&quot; to realize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I work for a major airline and I wonder when they&#8217;re going to get around to us. That is, by nature of burning fossil fuels as a primary way of doing business, they can&#8217;t be happy about it all.  Thus, they will most likely tax the airline industry out of existence as well.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, China, India, etc all tell them to go pound sand and I never thought I would applaud any move made by such nations.  </p>
<p>The irony is that the US is but one nation and not the once great mega-manufacturing one it used to be so while China builds a new coal-burning plant every hour, or whatever it is, the US strangles itself.  </p>
<p>And by the way, for the record, watch closely as the &#8220;climate change&#8221; numbers (the real ones) don&#8217;t budge while the skewed data put forth by the toadies in the EPA show a &#8220;marked decrease&#8221; in &#8220;climate-changing gasses&#8221;.   Simultaneously, as they say this, China and India and Russia will have quadrupled the amount of gaseous emissions, yet the &#8220;US numbers&#8221; will still &#8220;reflect&#8221; a &#8220;great change for the better&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just watch&#8230;.you&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Of course, the notion that it&#8217;s &#8220;about the environment&#8221; will become glaringly false.  Those of us here already know that.  But it will take that requisite amount of time for the rest of the sluggishly slow &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; to realize it.</p>
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