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Churchill ‘Tortured’ Obama’s Grandfather

During his press conference last night, Mr. Obama cited Winston Churchill as a man who would not countenance ‘torture,’ even when Britain’s very existence as a nation was at stake:

Churchill said ‘we don’t torture’ when the entire, all the British people were being subjected to unimaginable risk and threat. And the reason was that Churchill understood if you start taking shortcuts over time that corrodes what’s best in a people. It corrodes the character of a country.

Alas, that is not quite the case with Mr. Churchill. At least in his later years.

From archives of the UK’s Times:

Beatings and abuse made Barack Obama’s grandfather loathe the British

December 3, 2008

Ben Macintyre and Paul Orengoh

The President-elect’s relatives have told how the family was a victim of the Mau Mau revolt

Barack Obama’s grandfather was imprisoned and brutally tortured by the British during the violent struggle for Kenyan independence, according to the Kenyan family of the US President-elect.

Hussein Onyango Obama, Mr Obama’s paternal grandfather, became involved in the Kenyan independence movement while working as a cook for a British army officer after the war. He was arrested in 1949 and jailed for two years in a high-security prison where, according to his family, he was subjected to horrific violence to extract information about the growing insurgency.

“The African warders were instructed by the white soldiers to whip him every morning and evening till he confessed,” said Sarah Onyango, Hussein Onyango’s third wife, the woman Mr Obama refers to as “Granny Sarah”.

Mrs Onyango, 87, described how “white soldiers” visited the prison every two or three days to carry out “disciplinary action” on the inmates suspected of subversive activities.

He said they would sometimes squeeze his testicles with parallel metallic rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together with his head facing down,” she said The alleged torture was said to have left Mr Onyango permanently scarred, and bitterly anti-British. “That was the time we realised that the British were actually not friends but, instead, enemies,” Mrs Onyango said. “My husband had worked so diligently for them, only to be arrested and detained.”

Mr Obama refers briefly to his grandfather’s imprisonment in his best-selling memoir, Dreams from My Father, but states that his grandfather was “found innocent” and held only for “more than six months”.

Mr Onyango served with the British Army in Burma during the Second World War and, like many army veterans, he returned to Africa hoping to win greater freedoms from colonial rule. Although a member of the Luo tribe from western Kenya, he sympathised with the Kikuyu Central Association, the organisation leading an independence movement that would evolve into the bloody uprising known as the Mau Mau rebellion.

“He did not like the way British soldiers and colonialists were treating Africans, especially members of the Kikuyu Central Association, who at the time were believed to be secretly taking oaths which included promises to kill the white settlers and colonialists,” Mrs Onyango said.

In his book, Mr Obama implies that his grandfather was not directly involved in the anti-colonial agitation, but his grandmother said that her husband had supplied information to the insurgents. “His job as cook to a British army officer made him a useful informer for the secret oathing movement which would later form the Mau Mau rebellion,” she said. The Mau Mau used oaths as part of their initiation ceremony.

Mr Onyango was probably tried in a magistrates’ court on charges of political sedition or membership of a banned organisation, but the records do not survive because all such documentation was routinely destroyed in British colonies after six years.

“To arrest a Luo ex-soldier, who must have been a senior figure in the community, is pretty serious. They must have had some damn good evidence,” said Professor David Anderson, director of the African Studies Centre at the University of Oxford and an authority on the Mau Mau rebellion.

The British responded to the Mau Mau uprising with draconian violence: at least 12,000 rebels were killed, most of them Kikuyu, but some historians believe that the overall death toll may have been more than 50,000. In total, just 32 European settlers were killed.

According to his widow, Mr Onyango was denounced to the authorities by his white employer, who sacked him on suspicion of consorting with “troublemakers”. He may also have been the victim of a feud with an African neighbour who worked in the district commissioner’s office. Mr Onyango, notoriously outspoken, appears to have accused this official of corruption.

According to Mrs Onyango, her husband was arrested by two soldiers, and taken to Kamiti prison, the national maximum-security prison outside Nairobi.

This was like a death camp because some detainees died while being tortured,” Mrs Onyango said. “We were not allowed to see him, not even taking him food.” She said her husband was told that he would be killed or maimed if he refused to reveal what he knew of the insurgency, and was beaten repeatedly until he promised “never to rejoin any groupings opposed to the white man’s rule”. Even after he had confessed, and renounced the insurgency, the physical abuse allegedly continued.

Some of Mr Onyango’s fellow inmates were beaten to death with clubs, according to Mrs Onyango. “In fact, my late husband was lucky to have left the prison alive without any serious bodily harm, save for the permanent scars from beatings and torture, which remained on his body till he died.”

Like all family histories, retold many years after the events, some elements of Mrs Onyango’s account are hazy. For example, the white men she described as “soldiers” are far more likely to have been Special Branch officers, who wore a uniform that was indistinguishable from military uniform to most Africans.

Mrs Onyango also described an incident of her husband’s “torture”, which was nothing of the sort. “The white soldiers would spray his body with an itching chemical. This, he said, could make him scratch his body till it bled.” Almost certainly, Mr Onyango was being treated for body lice but apparently he was so used to brutality that he assumed the routine chemical delousing treatment was another form of abuse.

During Mr Obama’s first visit to Kenya in 1988, his grandmother recalled the growing resentment against white colonial rule in Kenya, with rallies and mounting violence that would explode into full-scale rebellion in 1952. “Most of this activity centred on Kikuyuland,” she told him. “But the Luo, too, were oppressed, a main source of forced labour. Men in our area began to join the Kikuyu in demonstrations . . . many men were detained, some never to be seen again.”

The British colonial authorities began a sustained campaign to quell the Mau Mau uprising, establishing numerous detention camps that some historians describe as “Kenya’s Gulag”, where inmates were frequently abused. “There was torture in Kenya during the Mau Mau emergency, institutional and systematic, and also casual and haphazard,” Professor Anderson writes in Histories of the Hanged: Britain’s Dirty War in Kenya and the End of Empire (2005). “Violence . . . was intrinsic to the system, and the use of force to compel obedience was sanctioned at the highest level.”

At the height of the rebellion, an estimated 71,000 Kenyans were held in prison camps. The vast majority were never convicted. Letters smuggled out of the camps complained of systematic brutality by warders and guards. According to the Harvard historian Caroline Elkins, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her exposé of British atrocities during the Mau Mau uprising, there were reports of sexual violence and mutilation using “castration pliers”. “This was an instrument devised to crush the men’s testicles,” she writes in Britain’s Gulag: The Brutal End of Empire in Kenya (2005). “Other detainees also described castration pliers, along with other methods of beating and mutilating men’s testicles.”

Several hundred letters from camp inmates survive in the Kenyan National Archives, “chronicling camp conditions, forced labour, torture, starvation and murder”, according to Ms Elkins. One white policeman, Duncan McPherson, told Barbara Castle, the former MP, that conditions in some detention camps were “worse, far worse, than anything I experienced in my 4½ years as a prisoner of the Japanese”.

Mr Onyango was 56 when he was arrested, and he emerged from imprisonment prematurely aged and deeply embittered. In his memoir, Mr Obama described his grandfather’s shocking physical state: “When he returned to Alego he was very thin and dirty. He had difficulty walking, and his head was full of lice.” For some time, he was too traumatised to speak about his experiences. Mrs Onyango told her grandson: “From that day on, I saw that he was now an old man.”

Understandably, Mr Onyango held a lifelong grudge against the British for the way he had been treated, yet he was doubtful that the independence movement would succeed. “How can the African defeat the white man,” he told his son, “when he cannot even make his own bicycle?”

Barack Obama Sr, Mr Onyango’s son and the President-elect’s father, seems to have inherited his father’s attitudes towards the colonial power. He was also arrested, for attending a meeting in Nairobi of the Kenya African National Union (Kanu), the organisation spearheading the independence movement. Mrs Onyango told Mr Obama that his father, unlike her husband, had been held only for a short time in the white man’s prison: “Because he was not a leader in Kanu, Barack was released after a few days.”

Mr Onyango was a victim of the fight for Kenyan independence, but his son became a direct beneficiary of that movement. In 1960, Barack Obama Sr travelled on a scholarship to the University of Hawaii, as part of a programme (sponsored by John F. Kennedy) to train young Kenyans to rule their own country.

Mrs Onyango said that the combative spirit shown by her husband during Kenya’s bloody independence struggle has passed down through the generations to the future president. “This family lineage has all along been made up of fighters,” she said. “Senator Barack Obama is fighting using his brain, like his father, while his grandfather fought physically with the white man.”

Mr. Churchill was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in 1951, when some of this allegedly happened.

As the article notes, Mr. Obama referenced his grandfather’s alleged torture indirectly in the first of his two autobiographies, Dreams From My Father, pg. 193:

[Quoting his step-grandmother:] Like other boys, your father would be influenced by the early talk of independence, and he would come home from school talking about the meetings he had seen. Your grandfather agreed with many of the demands of the early parties like KANU, but he remained skeptical that the independence movement would lead to anything, because he thought Africans could never win against the white man’s army. “How can the African defeat the white man,” he would tell Barack, “when he cannot even make his own bicycle?” And he would say that the African could never win against the white man because the black man only wanted to work with his own family or clan, while all white men worked to increase their power. “The white man alone is like an ant,” Onyango would say. “He can be easily crushed. But like an ant, the white man works together. His nation, his business-these things are more important to him than himself. He will follow his leaders and not question orders. Black men are not like this. Even the most foolish black man thinks he knows better than the wise man. That is why the black man will always lose.”

Despite his attitude, your grandfather would once find himself detained. An African who worked for the district commissioner was jealous of your grandfather’s lands. This man had once been rebuked by your grandfather because he would collect excessive taxes and pocket the money for himself. During the Emergency, this man placed Onyango’s name on a list of KANU supporters and told the white man that Onyango was a subversive. One day, the white man’s askaris came to take Onyango away, and he was placed in a detention camp. Eventually he received a hearing, and he was found innocent. But he had been in the camp for over six months, and when he returned to Alego he was very thin and dirty. He had difficulty walking, and his head was full of lice. He was so ashamed, he refused to enter his house or tell us what had happened. Instead, he called me to boil him water and bring him one of his razors. He shaved off his hair, and I had to help him bathe for a very long time, just where you are now sitting. And from that day on, I saw that he was now an old man.

But somehow he forgot all about this last night.

He can’t let such details get in the way of a rhetorical flourish.

This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, April 30th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

41 Responses to “Churchill ‘Tortured’ Obama’s Grandfather”

  1. U NO HOO says:

    An isolated incident that was George W. Bush’s fault.

  2. Odie44 says:

    Considering Churchill is a favorite of mine (and many here I will assume) it was a travesty to watch Deer in the Headlights Bambi actually try to “recount” Churchill’s actions. You could see it on his face as he desperately tried to “tell the story” last night, like a 6 year old making a speech in Mandarin.

    I truly believe it was the first time he actually heard about Churchill, filled with um’s and oh’s as he tried to strain together a point, of which he failed miserably.

    I have a funny feeling within the next few days – he will be crusified by the Brit press, being they have been more critical since day 1 – starting with his Brown snub, Queen flub and has become “Pantywaist President”.

    • JohnMG says:

      There are plenty of first-hand news stories concerning the MauMau uprisings–records of exactly was going on at the time, and not liberally biased as are the authors cited in this piece.

      This article also begs the question; Did the British just wake up one day and say “Let’s go kill the Kikuyu”? Hardly like that at all. The whole affair was in response to atrocities perpetrated on the white landowners by these “insurgents”. Did anyone else catch that “insurgents” thing? The British met the savagery meted out with equal force. These asshats are attempting to re-write history once again, and once again, the ‘bad people’ are all whites.

      Thank you Mr. Obama for your post-racial dealings that are designed to unite us all, but I ain’t havin’ any! Jerk-off!!

  3. Steve says:

    Mr. Limbaugh was kind enough to mention this thread.

    • catie says:

      Yes, I was in the car on the way home from Charlottesville when I heard this. I keep thinking there is no way that these people can top themselves but again they have.

  4. proreason says:

    The buffoon is totally amoral.

    He says whatever suits his purpose.

    The words have no connection to reality.

    To him, the truth is whatever he says, and there is no other truth.

    Moral behaviour is whatever he can get away with.

    And HE sets HIMSELF up as OUR moral judge and jury.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he is a sadist who enjoys torturing people for his own pleasure. He is that much a complete liar.

    And who knows where he has been or what he has done? Every single detail of his life that is known is only known because he said it himself, an inveterate liar. Except for a handful of people in the alternative press who have no access too original sources, there has been no investigation of this conman’s life.

    Who could have ever imagined such a nightmare in this country.

    And he is showered with adulation.

    We are a ship of fools.

  5. Howard Roark says:

    Barry is a legend in his own mind. He is capable of saying anything to make his point, similar to that of a psychopathic liar.

    Great find, here, Steve.

  6. ptat says:

    Facts be damned—if it sounds good it must be true! That’s how he and his followers roll. I guess the press didn’t have the heart to ask him about the Churchill Bust bust (Obambi recently returned a gift of a bust of Churchill from the Brits to Bush) Gush away, fools!

  7. ptat says:

    I would like to get a ring tone of Obama saying, with his trademark pretense and insincerity, “Let me be clear”–anybody know how I could get this?

    • Odie44 says:

      Just grab an audio clip from any source, even YouTube – convert it into a .wav file (if its not already) and upload via your cell providers website. Many are free, some cost a little – and some cellphones will allow an Blue Tooth or other tech to just upload directly to your phone.

  8. DoctorRock says:

    It’s a pity he doesn’t remember. Then he’s have an idea of just what that torture thing is all about. Perhaps then he’d also have an appreciation of a people’s struggle against an oppressive regime and how the duly elected representatives of a free republic would be obliged to act in accordance with the people’s will. As opposed to making like you’re waving a teabag at them.

  9. JohnMG says:

    ….”Churchill ‘Tortured’ Obama’s Grandfather…..”

    I guess since it wasn’t mentioned they skipped the waterboarding and went right to the heavy stuff.

  10. JohnMG says:

    …..‘we don’t torture’ ….

    Well if you insist on no torture, Mr. Obama, why don’t you shut the ‘F’ up, ’cause I’m getting mightily sick of the non-stop stream of lies issuing from your over-active pie hole! Or does “I won” give you license to harangue us to death?

    • Colonel1961 says:

      Amen, JMG. There are many forms of torture. His incessant harangues are crossing the line…

    • wardmama4 says:

      I thought it was just me who wanted to send a note to The One ™ to tell him, I consider his blathering lies torture. Great to know that I’m not alone in that feeling.

  11. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    More liberal talking points to bring up collective white man’s guilt. I swear every time this man begins to speak, my bull**** meter starts pinging like an active sonar. I was more forgiving of Bill Clinton during his first 100 days than I am of this guy.

    • JohnMG says:

      Don’t you just love this quote from the article?

      …..”Even the most foolish black man thinks he knows better than the wise man…..”

      Evidently the paternal gene pool is in tact! How telling.

    • Barbie says:

      off topic SORRY
      And he would say that the African could never win against the white man because the black man only wanted to work with his own family or clan, while all white men worked to increase their power.
      Okay this makes me MAD. Before the Brits colonised this area, Kenya (East Africa) was fodder – an absolute hunting ground – for the Arab slave traders and they had a lucrative slave trade. It was the Brits who, having been alerted by the British explorers and missionaries in Africa about the evil of the Arab slave trade, pressured the Arab Sultan to stop their enslavement (although it could never be completely wiped out. O’s grandpa somehow didn’t see fit to badmouth the long history of the ARabs in the slave business in his country – nope, it’s only the evil white race he’s concerned about. btw no mention the Kenyans ever rebelled against the Arabs. Seems like they’d be a little annoyed by it all…

    • Odie44 says:

      Barbie –

      I would say you are dead on topic.

      Here is something off topic: Can anyone list 3 man made creations in Africa, that are worthy to society , sans Arabs and Egyptians of the north???

    • wardmama4 says:

      Not OT Barbie – how in the world can you be so damn petty to hate someone who did something to an ancestor – as pointed out here, in response to violence done upon them – yet somehow forget that another people were enslaving you and it was the very people you attacked who freed you from the slavers?!? And therein lies the problem – until you can be adult and forgive for past grievances that had nothing to do with you directly – there is no way to make peace in the World. Fighting the insanity of this type of ‘rationalization’ – not to mention – who in this story is lying or telling the truth? And if you lie to make a point – are you even making a point worth listening to or acknowledging at all?

      Twice now I’ve heard an Arab person say – You’ve been in our country for 500 years. Newsflash – the US isn’t that old. And to hate all people of a color or race, simply because of what someone else did decades/centuries ago – is simple hate. It has nothing to do with nationalism or religion. At. All. As long as you hate and teach your children to hate – it’s just going to keep on going as it is now Us against Them. Gandhi said it best – If there is to be peace in the world, it will begin with the children.

      Never owned a slave – actually come from people who never owned slaves (more recent immigrants than the ‘original sin’ era) – won’t apologize, and most certainly won’t pay – but more than that I won’t be condemned in a stereotypical generalization that should never, ever be used by a person who claims to want to unite this country. Some change.

      Just another lie to go with all the rest.

    • proreason says:

      “3 man made creations in Africa, that are worthy to society ”

      The same question can be asked of Arabs post Mohammed. The world stopped the moment he was born.

      But they do seem to enjoy the booty created by the West, don’t they?

      Do you think they know that once they steal it, it will be gone forever, because they are incapable of keeping it running.

      Ditto for this country in 20 years, btw. I’m thinking that Henrietta may have trouble keeping the planes flying, the cable networks operating and the 20 trillion lines of software functioning. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe if she could only get some training…..

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      wardmama4 said:
      “how in the world can you be so damn petty to hate someone who did something to an ancestor”

      To me, it’s simple. Every year, there is a bill introduced to pay reparations to descendants of slavery. Although ludicrous on the face of it, international precedent has been set by Germany paying reparations to the Jewish nation.

      It is entirely conceivable that the black stick will do his part to keep anger high amongst blacks and also force guilt upon white apologists so that “everyone” will think it’s a good idea to give all descendants their million dollars. After all, it’s only money and he can print as much as he wants. As long as it doesn’t come out of his pocket and 2)as long as it makes him popular among the voters “who count”.

      Doesn’t matter that if the million dollars they all get will be worth about $2.15 by the time they get it and they can buy diddly squat….so in that sense I’m all for it.

      But his rhetoric is squarely along the lines of the “financial crisis” and using those words that agitate the people the most. The emotional, non-analytical thinker people, that is.

  12. Reality Bytes says:

    Remember when dunking Laurel & Hardy in “Babes in Toyland” was funny? How far we’ve come, huh?

  13. Liberals Demise says:

    Last night the Liar on High said the British didn’t torture……..so this must be a Right Wing Extremest Conspiracy and Bushs’ fault.

    As for the part of fighting the white man; grandpappy…..maybe but doubtful.
    Pappy Obamy was a womanizer at best and a DEAD BEAT at least! (thought process working in wrong head)
    Lil’ Barry BooBoo using his brain?
    There isn’t a single word he speaks that hasn’t been scripted by someone other than himself. When he speaks offline….it shows that his brain is not fully engaged and uh…….he develops uh …. Obama uh ….brain fart!

  14. pdsand says:

    I thought he explicitly said he was sending the bust of Churchill back because his grandpa hated them so much. Nevermind. I forgot you’re never supposed to listen to what a liberal is saying today and compare it to what they said on the same subject a week or two ago. It’s hate speech.

    • JohnMG says:

      Well, pd, they told him there was a bust of Churchill at the White House and that got his libido all revved up. When he got there and found out what KIND of bust it was, he got pissed. So he sent it packing. What would YOU have done?

    • Barbie says:

      HAH very funny.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      G.W. is such a kidder!
      He could have taken the “B”s off all the computer keyboards like the childish Clintonistas’.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Note the return of the Churchill bust as well as the passive/aggressive dissing of the British PM.

      Now….let’s modify the roles a little. Take this hypothetical scenario.

      If a white dude who became…oh…a public figure. And in his childhood he witnessed his grandparents brutally attacked by a gang of black teenagers. Now, in the office where he works there is a gift from the NAACP to the state of a sculpture of MLK. But to the statesman, it offends him so much because it reminds him of the horror he witnessed, even though intellectually the two aren’t connected, he just finds it so distracting in the sense that it always reminds him of that event. So he carefully boxes it up and puts it away.

      When the newsies get ahold of that, they would have the proverbial field day. But it’s OK for O-blobba to do it because, after all….”It reminds him of the trauma his ancestors had to endure”.

      One, I think it’s doubtful he’s that connected to his past.
      Two, I think it was a passive/aggressive act to piss off whitey
      Three, I think his inner child is very much on his sleeve and it shows to anyone who has eyes enough to see it.

      The double standard is obvious to us..but the group is growing. We know that to disagree with any black person makes us “racists”. I haven’t worried about that for years. In the rare case where I get into an argument with a black person, I just keep my cool, respond with factual points as to why they are wrong and of course the argument degrades to my being called racist.

      IN this nation, for all the scientists we’ve had who have proven how empirical thought works since the beginning of the last century and beyond, we have lost that very ability to discuss factual proof and even how to be self-critiquing; How to be self-critical.

      To say, “Dang that’s my fault. I did that”.

      Thanks to much of the media style of delivery and our love of comedy, etc, I think it has worked its way into the mainstream thought process to actually find lying to be an acceptable practice and quite expected….yet overlooked at the same time.

      To me, and to everyone here, it is a monumental disaster. The constant lying. The bald-faced as well as the little ones.

      And, I cannot, in public, mention being a conservative without someone calling me a racist, a nut-job, a nazi, a war-monger, etc.

      Fortunately, I have many friends who think as I do and where I work, we are predominantly conservative. It’s when I go to other places like restaurants and such. But my passive aggressive behavior causes me to turn up Rush when I’m at a stoplight and my windows are down.

  15. Barbie says:

    Wouldn’t you think Obama would know about this before he shot his mouth off last night? What a liar. Isn’t this torture of his grandfather the underlying reason he and Michelle dissed Gordon Brown and by extension, the whole of Britain? I’m just wondering…

    • JohnMG says:

      He knows, Barbie. He’s banking on the majority of the people in this country NOT knowing what a B S artist he is. And evidently he’s got it pegged. He did get elected, after all.

      P.S. If bulls*!t was music, he’d be a brass band. Every time he opened his mouth, ‘Hail to the Chief’ would sound!

    • bitterclinger says:

      Obama might not know it. He is only reading what someone else has crafted for him and loaded into the teleprompter.

  16. VMAN says:

    It’s a shame the Brits didn’t cut of grandaddy’s nads. That would of saved us all a lot of trouble. Please forgive me for being crude but my crude meter has gone off the scale since idiot stick was elected.

  17. VMAN says:

    Oh wait sorry I guess daddy had already been born by then.

  18. canary says:

    I’m behind on the state speech but assume he used a tele-prompter.
    I listened to his MO town hall, and it was painful, and nerve wracking. He has got to be the worst speaker, for someone with so much practice. The entire thing was buts..uhs..and pauses, stops….chop..and slice…losing his thoughts, because..because…uh…uh. Sometimes he paused thinking people got his joke.
    I’d say 100% was stuttering and duhhing, and that only about 5% had any meaning. Aside his fighting in a foxhole part, (now having Hillary halucinations) the biggest point was repeating the economy was Bushes fault. He expects a turnaround in 2 years, but the biggest, number 1 problem we are facing is health care. If this is not fixed, then,….. the our country will fail in any education aid such as started under Kennedy, parks, going green, helping
    struggling companies, “no helping veterans” anymore. Everything we had before Obama will fail. And he said that the reason we must pursue Green is because which ever country becomes Green first will be the top country and will control . the world. And expect all energy to go up, (except coal and logging is no longer now according to Obama) that if energy companies save energy they will be rewarded and paid more. So, they go up on poor peoples utitlities, and poor people will use less, resort to wood stoves? coal stoves? walk, ride bikes, and the people that do that to us, will be rich.

  19. JohnMG says:

    …..”The entire thing was buts..uhs..and pauses, stops….chop..and slice…losing his thoughts, because..because…uh…uh…..”

    Too much ‘blow’ back in his college days. Who knows……maybe still.

    • canary says:

      Well, his remark about comparing his life to our soldiers, as ” fighting in a foxhole”, is insane, and demeaning to our soldiers. I am not exaggerating about the uhs, because us,s, he did say the people he pointed on to ask questions were not pre-screened and random. So, I am taking what he said at face value from his heart, with no time to think, which is why he paused so much to think. The sputtering and gagging to buy time for the best answer.
      And so his attack on veterans is serious, and within two years, we can expect them to lose health, and education benefits. And he even lied and lied during the campaign he was offering better benefts than McCain. Clinton, the first president to retroactively cut lifer’s benefits, was sued by vets and won them back. But, now Holdin would make the decision, and we know he devalues the veterans too, and would rather spend millions suing over water splashing, and millions on Gitmo prisoner’s welfare, than our troops.
      As there were even elementary school aged children, who wouldn’t understand the joke he made, the youths will take his comment at face-value and picture in their young minds Obama sneaky fox, ana-as hole.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      Barry lacks the Discipline, Courage, Fortitude, Honor, Faith, Commitment, Scruples, Valor and Balls to man a fighting hole much less serve with a Branch of our Armed Forces.
      After Vietnam…..we grunts had a saying……..

      “Brave Warriors…….Gutless Politicians!!”

    • Odie44 says:

      Did anyone notice in his infomercial the other night this little gem “from the top brass to the lowliest private

      And, you know, the more I interact with our servicemen and -women, from the top brass down to the lowliest private, I’m just — I’m grateful to them… http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/04/barack-obama-news-conference-text.html

      This Fraud in Chief not only doesn’t respect our military – he bashed the warriors who have died and served this great nation. I almost threw a salt shaker at the TV when he said it. Or was it pepper…

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