SubscribeCoulter Blasted For Espousing Christian Dogma
From the erstwhile “fair and balanced” Fox News:
Columnist Ann Coulter Shocks Cable TV Show, Declaring ‘Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians’
Thursday, October 11, 2007
Columnist Ann Coulter Shocks Cable TV Show, Declaring ‘Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians’
Thursday , October 11, 2007
Slash-and-burn columnist Ann Coulter shocked a cable TV talk-show audience Monday when she declared that Jews need to be “perfected” by becoming Christians, and that America would be better off if everyone were Christian.
Coulter made the remarkable statements during an often heated appearance to promote her new book on advertising guru Donny Deutsch’s CNBC show “The Big Idea.”
In response to a question from Deutsch asking Coulter if “it would be better if we were all Christian,” the controversial columnist responded: “Yes.”
“We should all be Christian?” Deutsch repeated.
“Yes,” Coulter responded, asking Deutsch, who is Jewish, if he would like to “come to church with me.”
Deutsch, pressing Coulter further, asked, “We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians?” She responded: “Yeah.”
Coulter deflected Deutsch’s assertion that her comments were anti-Semitic, matter-of-factly telling the show’s obviously upset host, “That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews.”
The show transcript of their conversation about Jews appears below:
DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We’re going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your — forget that any of them —
COULTER: I like this.
DEUTSCH: — are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women’s — with abortion — what would this country look like?
COULTER: UMMMMM (pause) … It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that’s what I think heaven is going to look like.
DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?
COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I’m talking about this country. You don’t want to make this country — it’s not about Republicans. I’m saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.
COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like Joe Lieberman, the Republican Party would look like Duncan Hunter —
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don’t want — I’m not talking about politically the landscape. What would our — would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more —
COULTER: We would be a lot safer.
DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be — would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription — prescription. What — tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because —
COULTER: Well, all of those things.
DEUTSCH: I can give — I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate —
COULTER: Oh, no.
DEUTSCH: That there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other — tell me what — why this would be a better world? Let’s give you — I’m going to give you — say this is your show.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America, they —
DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you’re not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That’s not true. I really am. But — so we would be better if we were — if people — if there were no Jews, no Buddhists —
COULTER: Whenever I’m harangued by —
DEUTSCH: — in this country? You can’t believe that.
COULTER: — you know, liberals on diversity —
DEUTSCH: Here you go again.
COULTER: No, it’s true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that’s really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it’s like they have a chip on their shoulder. They’re just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And —
DEUTSCH: I don’t agree with that. I don’t agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don’t see any more or less chips there either way. That’s erroneous.
COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire “Seinfeld” episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you’re lying.
DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some “Seinfeld” episode? OK.
COULTER: But yeah, I think that’s reflective of what’s going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches — the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.
DEUTSCH: That isn’t what I said, but you said I should not — we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or —
COULTER: Yeah.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Well, it’s a lot easier. It’s kind of a fast track.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.
DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly believe that.
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: You can’t possibly — you’re too educated, you can’t — you’re like my friend in —
COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean —
COULTER: We have the fast-track program.
DEUTSCH: Why don’t I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can’t believe that.
COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.
DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, “Let’s wipe Israel” —
COULTER: I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention.
DEUTSCH: “Let’s wipe Israel off the earth.” I mean, what, no Jews?
COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn’t really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we’re all sinners —
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there’s no —
COULTER: What’s absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I’m going to go off and try to perfect myself —
COULTER: Well, that’s what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of “If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans,” and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I’m offended by that personally. And we’ll have more “Big Idea” when we come back.
(BREAK)
DEUTSCH: Welcome back to “The Big Idea.” During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I’m going to give her a chance. So you don’t think that was offensive?
COULTER: No. I’m sorry. It is not intended to be. I don’t think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that’s why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don’t believe our testament.
DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, “Jews need to be perfected.” Those are the words out of your mouth.
COULTER: No, I’m saying that’s what a Christian is.
DEUTSCH: But that’s what you said — don’t you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic —
COULTER: No!
DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You’re an educated woman. How do you not see that?
COULTER: That isn’t hateful at all.
DEUTSCH: But that’s even a scarier thought. OK —
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don’t want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean (Jerry) Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is “Christ died for our sins.” We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.
DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won’t we? Ann Coulter. New book. More “Big Idea” straight ahead.
It is hilarious that this is considered news. Are we supposed to be outraged by an enunciation of central Christian doctrine?
Coulter deflected Deutsch’s assertion that her comments were anti-Semitic, matter-of-factly telling the show’s obviously upset host, “That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews.”
That happens to be correct, at least according to some Christians.
As the Oxford University Guide To the New Testament points out, even some Jew once named Saul said the very same thing she did:
Continuity and Superiority: The Epistle to the Hebrews
Although Hebrews is often called a letter, it does not contain an epistolary prescript, it does not name the author or the addressees, and it does not include an opening prayer or thanksgiving. It is more likely an early Christian homily. The book is anonymous, although it has traditionally been attributed to Paul. The emphases in the book, however, are not Pauline.
The Epistle to the Hebrews asserts the superiority of Christ to the prophets, the angels, Moses, Joshua, and the Jewish priesthood. Christ brings a superior covenant, a superior tabernacle, and makes a superior sacrifice. Like many other authors whose task is Christian self-definition, this author uses the Hebrew Scriptures to illustrate the authenticity of his claims. For example, several Old Testament prophets mention a new covenant that God will make with the Jews. Drawing on Platonic thought, this author argues that the old covenant was a foreshadowing of the new, an imperfect reflection of a perfect reality.
Scholars do not know when or where this book was written. It is clear, though, that the author was concerned to define group boundaries. He argued that Christianity represented the perfection of Judaism. Christianity was the religion foretold by the prophets. Those who did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, moreover, were not the true people of God.
One would think St. Paul could be considered an authority on Christianity.
But if that isn’t enough, how about the Catholic Encyclopedia? From its entry on the New Testament:
Specifically Christian Doctrines
Other doctrines, specifically Christian, are not added on to Judaism to develop, but rather to supersede it. In reality, between the New and Old Testaments there is a direct but not revolutionary succession as a superficial observer might be inclined to believe; just as in living beings, the imperfect state of yesterday must give way before the perfection of today although the one has normally prepared the other. If the mystery of the Trinity and the spiritual character of the Messianic Kingdom are ranked among the peculiarly Christian dogmas, it is because the Old Testament was of itself insufficient to establish the doctrine of the New Testament on this subject; and still more because, at the time of Jesus, the opinions current among the Jews went decidedly in the opposite direction.
And then there is this inconvenient truth from the famous Catholic Priest, author and Bush friend, Richard John Neuhaus via his website, First Things:
The Pope’s Liturgical Liberalism
By Richard John Neuhaus
Monday, July 9, 2007
…The Roman Missal modified by Pope Paul VI in 1969, and put into effect in 1970, has this formulation: “Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant.” The following prayer is this: “Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption.”
Of course some Jews may be offended at the suggestion that the fullness of redemption is found in Jesus Christ, but their problem is with Christianity as such…
Oh, the humanity!
By the way, please note that despite it being in the headline and repeated throughout, Coulter never said “Jews need be perfected.”
But here is what the headline, article and buffoon host all falsely claim:
Columnist Ann Coulter Shocks Cable TV Show, Declaring ‘Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians’
Slash-and-burn columnist Ann Coulter shocked a cable TV talk-show audience Monday when she declared that Jews need to be “perfected” by becoming Christians, and that America would be better off if everyone were Christian.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of “If Democrats Had Any Brains, They’d Be Republicans,” and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I’m offended by that personally. And we’ll have more “Big Idea” when we come back.
DEUTSCH: You said — your exact words were, “Jews need to be perfected.” Those are the words out of your mouth.
All lies.
Ms. Coulter never once used the word “need.” Watch the clip, read the transcript. And yet notice the quote marks used throughout.
But why did this non-story take so long to raise a fury? The program was taped some time ago and aired last Monday.
Does Media Matters have too irons in the fire? Did their fax machines to the networks break down?
Even so, the Soros stooges at Media Matters and their handmaidens in the media remind me of another bravo who is paid to be perpetually outraged:
And like with him, the accuracy of the allegation matters not at all. In fact, it seems the more preposterous the charge, the more they like it.
But what the heck, it’s their job.
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October 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
The transcript doesn’t give the whole story. I watched that interview (I stumbled over it while channel surfing…I normally avoid CNBC and Donny Deutsch like the plague), and Deutsch was hostile to her from Word One. He was playing the usual lib tactic of “Never let the Conservative guest get in a word edgewise,” interrupting her, misquoting things she said just less than a minute ago…basically, Deutsch was just a smarmier version of Alan Colmes (as if it’s possible to be smarmier than him).
One thing I’ll say about Ann is that she has the guts to go into the lion’s den, but this time she was set up big time. Deutsch drew her into that statement, and she fell for the trap. Considering that CNBC has lower ratings than the test pattern and infomercials that come on when EWTN finishes broadcasting, I have little doubt that the people who dragged this up are the professional TV watchers that lib groups use to try to tar Conservatives as being bigots. If you could have heard Ann’s tone of voice, she was NOT being nasty or mean…she was goaded by Deutsch, and was frustrated that she couldn’t ever complete a sentence.
The next time she’s on “The Insanity of Colmes,” watch how he never lets her finish a sentence, and note her tone of voice. That was what Deutsch was doing…Colmes does it out of rudeness and thick-headedness. Deutsch was doing it out of sheer spite.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
“Does Media Matters have too many irons in the fire?
Besides Sweetness and Light, the only place I saw this was on the Foxnews website. Is Fox part of Media Matters? Is Ann appearing on the Fox news channel anytime soon?….. Ratings, ratings, book sales and book sales……That’s all I see from this. Leave it to Ms. Coulter to once again be taken out of context on purpose. She may appear upset, but she knows EXACTLY what she is doing. God bless her. Anyway, Media Matters would be in a quandry. How can they trash Ann without taking the side of the Jews OR the Christians? Don’t they hate both groups?
“The Insanity of Colmes,”
Sharps, I think Ann actually enjoys talking with Colmes more than Hannity. Check it out the next time she is on….
October 11th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
I still don’t understand why people continue to be outraged by stuff Ann says. She’s Ann Coulter! She’s not going to stop, and she’s not going to act contrite! Plus she is always always always, without exception, right.
It reminds me of a neighbor I had as a kid, who, if we looked at him with crossed eyes he would run off crying. Every time. So every time we saw him we crossed our eyes. He knew we were going to do it, we knew he would cry, but still, it never got old.
I only wish I were half as smart as she is, and half as funny. She must have a blast listening to herself. (I’m prettier, though. Score!)
I just finished her book this morning, and even though it is apparently a collection of her most outrageous quotes, there were a whole bunch from interviews I had never read before. Totally worth the money. And even though the title is a quote out of context, even out of context it’s completely true.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
RE: “That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. That happens to be correct, at least according to some Christians.”
Michael Savage recently considered Christians a Jewish sect, which is, in fact, true because Jesus is(?)/was(?) a Jew.
I have never found Ann Coulter to be wrong if I LISTEN to what she says.
Ann Coulter / Laura Ingraham ‘08!!!
October 11th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
PS, In fact Ann said a similar thing years ago just after 9/11.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
rhahn, MM can easily bash Ann without taking the Christians’ side. In fact I doubt it will be long before they declare her for the umpteenth time an anti-Semite. The whole point of the argument was that Christians are perfected Jews, and culture-fetishists like MM simply abhor the idea that any religion is superior to another. Therefore, they can attack Ann as the prototypical Christian anti-Semite because Ann is sayin that Jews are imperfect because they’re not Christians. And socialists, who believe the nonsense that all religions are equal — equally oppressive, that is, and they believe this, of course, becuase they have no religion of their own, and thus no basis for comparison — will take up the cry of Ann Coulter, the self-hating Christian Conservative. Good for Ann, she’ll sell a ton of books.
October 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
This should serve nicely to educate those who see Fox News as somehow being conservative or even “on our side.”
Showing they are willing to misquote Ann while she’s sitting right there puts Deutsch at a level that makes Media Matters an their attempted smear of Rush Limbaugh at that of rank amateurs.
Everything Ann said is correct and is in no way anti-Semetic - unless of course you’re a hyper-sensitive lefty in today’s society.
Is anything she said at all hateful? Of course not, but today to suggest that somewhat might want to adopt Jesus Christ as their Lord is hateful on its face.
Sigh…
October 11th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
I suggest a careful reading of John Hagee’s book IN DEFENSE OF ISRAEL. Amazon.com $10.19 + shipping. I also suggest that Jews would be well within their historical perspective to be outraged by Ann’s comments - a woman I thoroughly adore. A careful reading of the Fourth Lateran Council, Canon 68 specifically. Roman Catholic political and religious policy was to brand Jews with yellow badges in order to identify them. I assume everyone here recalls Hitler’s little yellow badges. Adolph quoted Canon 68 as his authority for culling Jews out of Germany’s population and branding them with yellow badges of Juden. Hitler proclaimed himself a Catholic, and that he was following Christian policy in eraqdicating the Jew. Perfecting the Jew by killing him were Christian measures, mind you. Then there’s the issue of Replacement Theology, wherein the “church” has assumed for itself the role of Israel in God’s Plan. As egregious and blasphemous a position as can be, presuming that man’s decisions can usurp God’s Covenants.
The Jews have suffered horribly at the hands of the “christian” church. Reading Martin Luther’s “On Jews and Their Lies” is as chilling as any screed passed by the most radicalized Islamic. Martin Luther assumed the Jews would join with him once he broke with Rome. But when they did not, he went crazy on them, just like Muhammed did when the Jews refused him. During Medieval times, “christians” would round up a Jew during Easter and drag him into the cathedral where he was forced (don’t ask what forced means) to apologize for being a Christ Killer. Often the extent of this ‘apology’ resulted in the death of the Jew. Or, shall we discuss the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion of all Jews from Catholic Spain, ot the many pogroms against Jews in Christianized Europe? Even today, mainstream “christian” denominations have abandoned Israel and the Jews, calling for and implementing divestment strategies and openly supporting Israel’s eternal enemies.
And then there’s St. John Chrysostom, a doctor of the church, whose violent, appalling harangues against Jews are the zenith of anti-semitism.
I’d hazard a guess that any reference to Jews being perfected, whether in jest, or in a sideways jibe at a clearly Democratic stooge commentator is in poor taste and not at all helpful.
October 11th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
So Ann Coulter thinks all folks in the world need to become Christians, shock-horror. Don’t these ‘educated’ types understand that we didn’t get together and just make up the bible, do they think that Christians get together once every couple of years and vote on what rules to follow and what’s ok to ignore?
For centuries Christians have been bringing people to the faith, this might come as a tremendous shock to them, but Christians weren’t doing this so they could renew their faith in the previous religion. The fellow is a fool if he thinks diversity is the answer. Coulter is right, again!!
October 11th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
BillK, Wasn’t the interview by Deutch on CNBC?
October 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Tell me how you can still be a practicing Jew while never performing animal sacrifices to attone for your sin or never giving guilt or gift offerings? Please, I do not believe there is one practicing Jew in the world and there has not been since the sacrifices stopped.
October 11th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Some folks go out of their way to find something to be offended by.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Ann was saying that all humans, Jew or not, need the Atonement of Christ in order to attain perfection. This is nothing new and was just a chance for Deutsch to follow orders and attempt to make Ann appear bigoted.
October 11th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Amber - you also forgot the wearing of a phylactery - In fact when I took a Covenent course with a Lay Leader who was ‘into’ religious history - I made the very comment that it is interesting that so many ‘religions’ pick and chose what particular verses, rules and ideations that they ‘want’ to follow. I’ve not seen a phylactery worn by anyone who called themselves a Jew in America, yet.
In the End of Days - the conversion of Jews is part of the Christian mission.
What Deutsch forgot to mention is that conversion to Christianity or the desire for all Jews to become Christians is a darn site less offensive and more kind than the Islamic - Convert or Die agenda.
But then no one seems to have to guts to challenge Islam these days - but all out War on Christianity is A-OK.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Come on now Musette and U No Hoo, I know you two are smarter than that. No one is ALWAYS right, not even me. To blindly follow what anyone puts out without question is to follow a yellow brick road. The last I checked, Ms. Coulter didn’t have a degree in Theology.
GetBackJack …..spot on.
I was going to avoid this thread like a case of incurable std’s, but I just couldn’t resist dipping my toe in. Now I’m done with it.
October 11th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
No one is ALWAYS right, not even me.
Well, let’s not get too carried away… :-)
October 11th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
“I’d hazard a guess that any reference to Jews being perfected, whether in jest, or in a sideways jibe at a clearly Democratic stooge commentator is in poor taste and not at all helpful.”
Let’s put aside the gross and endless exaggerations of the “Spanish Inquisition.” According to current historians over its 400 years only somewhere between 800 to 3,000 people were executed. And the number is probably closer to 800. (Muslims kill that many before lunch.)
I don’t believe any rational person believes that Ms. Coulter was suggesting Jews need to be forced into Christianity. To suggest that she was doing so is in poor taste and not at all helpful.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Have you ever noticed that everytime Ann Coulter promotes one of her new books the “gottcha crowd” has to come up with an anti-Ann issue? It makes the Libs. squeal and twirl for weeks! I love it! :>) (I’m bad)
October 11th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Spanish Inquisition - from the late fifteenth century through the eighteenth century 323,362 burned alive and 17,659 burned in effigy. Cecil Roth, “The Spanish Inquisition” WW Norton and Company Publishers, 1996
I suggest that in order to grasp the offensive-ness of Ann’s comment, you should look at it from a Jewish viewpoint. From their historical viewpoint. Christians have as much blood on their hands as anyone in the historical atrocities perpetrated against God’s people. He has His Plan for the children of Israel. Though that Plan, we Christians ardently believe, culminates in Israel recognizing their Messiah and the fulfillment of God’s Covenant with them, I doubt God had in mind that followers of Jesus of Nazareth should attempt to eradicate His People for the erroneously taught sin of murdering Jesus. The Romans crucified Jesus. A handful of scribes and Pharisees, led by Herod’s appointed chief of the Sanhedrin, Caiaphas, plotted to kill Jesus because they feared him. The Jewish people loved Him.
The Spanish Inquisition was as nothing compareed to what the Crusaders did to jews, both in Europe on the way to Jerusalem, but when they got there, the horrors they brought upon the Jews is not to be believed.
I suggest that it was impolite, unhelpful and a rare instance when Ann should not have used the phrase she did. She may understand it in a theological sense, but to a Jew, it could only stir up the worst sort of historical memory precisely at a time when the evangelical church in America is working hard to convince the children of Israel that this is not 1938, and we will stand with them this time.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
“Come on now Musette and U No Hoo, I know you two are smarter than that. No one is ALWAYS right, not even me. To blindly follow what anyone puts out without question is to follow a yellow brick road. The last I checked, Ms. Coulter didn’t have a degree in Theology.”
I sincerely state that, having read four of her books and every column for a year and a half, I have NEVER found an instance in which I disagreed. At least, once she was done making her point. I am not necessarily assuring that it will always be that way, but so far. . .
This is seriously another big to-do about nothing. They do it every chance they get with her, and anyone else they think they have a shot at. People loooove to be offended. It’s kind of our national pastime lately.
October 11th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Nothing to do with Ms Coulter, but a good reference about the Spanish Inquisition from the he AMERICAN-ISRAELI COOPERATIVE ENTERPRISE (AICE). Interesting reading with information that I didn’t know about.
http://tinyurl.com/nwvk8
October 11th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
I have NEVER found an instance in which I disagreed.
Musette, before someone jumps all over you, bear in mind that always agreeing with someone doesn’t necessarily mean they’re right all the time.
Having said that, I do occasionally follow the copious footnotes she puts in her books (I’ve read all of them and as of yesterday have five of them in my library) just to make sure I’m not being fed a line of you-know-what. So far, I’ve found that I’m not. She may spin things on occasion -which is fine. She’s not pretending to be the unbiased news media. But I’ve yet to catch her in an outright lie -or, for that matter, a serious mistake.
BTW, are you really prettier than her ? If so, do you, by chance, like cold, miserable weather, moose meat and ice hockey ? ;-) (oh yeah, and loons)
October 11th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
I didn’t partake in the Spanish Inquisition.
I also didn’t own slaves.
I also was not a Nazi.
I am, however, a Christian.
As far as I’m concerned, God can sort out your arguments of past wrongs.
Ann has written and said some great stuff and this guy was badgering for this mention of Christianity. She gave him a bonus because of it, and I see all the easily “offended” have taken the bait.
Kind of like Pavlov’s dog if you ask me…
IT…….. IS……….A…….FREE………COUNTRY!
October 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Interesting link WI.
Ironically it backs up my previous comment. Getbackjack mentioned 323,000 people burned at the stake during the inquisition. I wondered about that as I recall Ms Coulter stating in Treason (I think) that the inquisition killed approximately 30,000 people during its several-century run (compare that with Islam’s score in roughly an hour -one sunny Tuesday morning a few years back).
Your link cites a number of just over 31,000 or, basically, what Ms Coulter stated.
October 11th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
“bear in mind that always agreeing with someone doesn’t necessarily mean they’re right all the time”
You know what’s funny, I had that exact thought as I was washing dishes, and I checked back to see if anyone took issue. Of course it’s true, however, usually people think that what they think IS right. I’m sure that she occasionally errs, but I haven’t followed every single footnote or claim she’s made. What I have checked up on, which is basically anything I have a doubt about, I have never found an instance in which she was wrong. So I kind of trust her at this point.
“BTW, are you really prettier than her ? If so, do you, by chance, like cold, miserable weather, moose meat and ice hockey ? ;-) (oh yeah, and loons)”
I was just trying to be funny! (see, how I said I wish I was half as funny as her?) In honesty, though I adore her, I don’t consider her “pretty”. So yes, I guess I am prettier, in a kind of not-blonde-and-not-particularly-tall-and-don’t-own-nearly-as-many-little-black-dresses-as-her kind of way. And I actually love cold miserable weather (I lived in Northern Utah for a while). But do you mean loons like kooky people or loons like birds?
October 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
‘Jews Need to Be Perfected by Becoming Christians’
Where/When did she say this?
October 11th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
“Spanish Inquisition - from the late fifteenth century through the eighteenth century 323,362 burned alive and 17,659 burned in effigy.”
From the (no fan of the Catholic Church) Wikipedia:
October 11th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Not to beat this tangential point to death, but from “The Dark Side Of Christianity:
October 11th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
As a theology student, I was thoroughly impressed with Ann’s responses. She is so well educated in so many areas. Well done.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Not that Ann Coulter needs the publicity, but this can’t help but sell more of her books. I await her weekly column with great eagerness, but since most of her books are re-prints of her weekly columns, I don’t get much out of them that I haven’t already read. Her last book, “Godless” had some original stuff in it (especially her analysis on the weakness of Evolution Theory).
October 11th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Ann’s only foul was calling him a non-practicing Jew. Even if it’s true (probably), it’s still not her place to judge his own observances.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
And people wonder why I’m an atheist.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:11 am
To Amber, who wrote:
October 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
First of all, your belief is irrelevant. If even one Jew practices one Commandment, then they are classified as a “practicing” Jew. At least, they are practicing that one Commandment.
Perhaps two better terms would be “religious” & “observant”. Both can be applied to those Jews who observe the rituals of Judaism, such as praying 3 times a day, etc. There are also those Jews who aren’t very religious who observe the ethical Commandments as much as they can, such as do not steal, love your neighbor, etc.
Second, you asking a valid question, “Tell me how you can still be a practicing Jew while never performing animal sacrifices to attone for your sin or never giving guilt or gift offerings?”
There are some Commandments that a Jew simply cannot follow, either because he isn’t in the land of Israel (such as letting the land lie fallow) or because certain things aren’t there anymore, such as the Temple. If you knew Torah, you would know that God commanded the Israelites not to sacrifice anywhere else but the Temple in Jerusalem.
So after the Second Temple was destroyed, Jews were in a quandry: how would they receive forgiveness for their sins without an animal sacrifice? The Sages came together & decided that a little principle called REPENTANCE would foot the bill quite nicely. As we read in Isaiah, God desires repentance other than sacrifice.
Now if you inject the Christian Testament’s assertion that “without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins”, please understand that human sacrifice, ala the death of Jesus, is also unqualified to provide remission of sins as well, because there is never any Commandment in Torah to perform human sacrifice.
You proceed from a false assumption, that since no Jew can perform ALL of the Commandments, then there is no such thing as a “practicing” Jew. The fact of the matter is, that, for reasons already stated, NO Jew can practice ALL of the Commandments. Does that make them any less a Jew, or their religion invalid? Not at all.
In fact, one can still be Jewish while not being religiously or ethically observant AT ALL. One can be an atheist & be Jewish.
There’s lots of links out there about Judaism, but try this one for starters:
http://jewsforjudaism.com/web/faq/faq032.html
October 12th, 2007 at 12:36 am
Wardmama4 wrote:
1) On the wearing of phylacteries, or Tefillin, as Jews call it: Jews are free to observe this Commandment or not, depending on which movement of Judaism they subscribe to.
2) On Jews picking & choosing what Commandments to obey, please check out the Wiki entry on Reform Judaism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism
and also: http://rj.org/whatisrj.shtml
3) If you haven’t seen any Jews wearing tefillin, you must not have been hanging around too many Jews.
4) The conversion of Jews to Christianity IS less offensive - to CHRISTIANS. Either to Islam or Christianity, such a conversion is looked on as idolatry.
5) I’ll be more than happy to challenge Islam OR Christianity any day of the week. Either religion pursuing the conversion of Jews, whether forced or otherwise, is offensive.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:55 am
Ohmygosh. I really, really like Ann Coulter! She says it like it is. She is one person that actually calls a spade a spade and for that she gets great big kudos in my book. And all of this - especially the headline - will serve the liberals, how? By making Ann more $$$. Yeah, that’ll get ‘em! But then, by Ann making headlines like this, we get the distraction we all need from the issues that really matter, so in some ways this does help “them” with their cause, which is too bad.
Good Lord, Ann, stay out of Saudi! You would not be safe here. It’s enough that you are blonde and attractive - and thus become an instant target in this country - giving all the little TITS here fodder for masturbation parties that would go on forever - but that you are as outspoken as you are - forget it! Stay where you are, I don’t want anything to happen to you until everyone gets your message!
[Don't know what TITS are? No. Not women's breasts. It's my name for the boys in this country... Terr0rists-in-training. And if you wonder why I use a “0” instead of an “o” it’s because certain words are automatically picked up in e-mails, letters, etc., and I’m guessing that that particular word – along with words like p0rn0graphy, etc., are the ones that get noticed by the powers that be, here.]
October 12th, 2007 at 12:58 am
BTW, I keep forgetting to mention that Donny Deutsch is a nobody whose tiny advertising agency only came to prominence when they managed to beg their way into getting the Bill Clinton campaign account. (Which they undoubtedly did for gratis, or maybe even paid for the honor.)
And a look at his FEC contributions shows he hasn’t changed much over the years:
NEWSMEAT - Donny Deutsch’s Federal Campaign Contribution Report
http://www.newsmeat.com/media_.....eutsch.php
October 12th, 2007 at 1:08 am
Good evening all. My thoughts on Ann is she is wrong wrong WRONG!!
I read her book (by the way, the first chapter is great, then just the greatest hits)
She always states how democrats are so stupid and whimpy and she could change our beliefs. I say YEAH RIGHT!!
Well, check it out lady (I hear she reads this site), as the resident democrat, I DARE you to come to Honolulu and take me to dinner and try to change me!! I double dare you to sign my book!!! To prove my worth, ask SG for my addy and e-mail me and I’ll make the reservations for Ruth Chris’.
Hmmmm, wonder if it’ll work?
October 12th, 2007 at 1:16 am
“Either religion pursuing the conversion of Jews, whether forced or otherwise, is offensive.”
Yes, I know I’m wildly offended when Jehovah’s Witnesses come and knock on my door and try to SAVE me. And when the Gideons hand out bibles I’m appalled that they care about my immortal soul.
Geez. This is religion, especially religion in a free country. People say mean things about my faith all the time, and nine times out of ten it is straight out lies. So I shrug. What you gonna do? Why spend all your energy being offended?
It’s like Mom always said: don’t play ball in the hou. . .I mean: if you wear your heart on your sleeve, it’s going to get bumped.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:30 am
navycopjoe… me thinks that you are not a Democrat at all, just someone who loves and wants to meet Ann Coulter. Well it might work!??!
Musette, religion is always such an emotional topic because it is so personal. No one else should define or judge a man’s individual faith. (awkward sentence, but you get my drift.)
October 12th, 2007 at 1:42 am
LOL, actually, I really am a lifelong Democrat akin to the origional Mayor Daley from the great Chicago machine although I always vote for who I feel is the correct choice for the people and the country/state. I am also a conservative of such high level I make Bill O’ look like Cindy Shehag (with the exception of abortion and certain 1st amendment rights such as flag burning).
Not all Democrats are non-bathing welfare collecting want-to-be hippies but all non-bathing welfare collecting want-to-be hippies are unfortunately Democrats.
And I really would love to meet her and have a few beers and make John Edwards is a girlman jokes.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:59 am
I knew it. Actually, I was a Conservative Democrat myself for many many years. I have worked for and campaigned for many Conservative Democrats in Texas. (I’ll leave it at that) All of the Conservative Dems. got run out of town on the rail here in Austin in the mid 90’s. I just float around now without an actual committment to either party. (I campaigned for George Bush twice and a lot of Rep. candidates)
But, I am and always have been a Conservative, through and through! All of my relatives (mom, dad, cousins, etc.) are Republicans, though.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:27 am
Oh oh, you know, SJ has threatened all democrats with his tater stick, lol.
Now I can’t view the political world in democrat/republican or liberal/conservative terms anymore. I see right/wrong and pro-USA/traitor.
Most of Congress need to go and most of these need to go to jail.
But in my travels after living in Europe (Sardina, Italy twice..thank you Navy!!) and 34 countries, we are still by far the greatest nation.
We just need a strong president to get us back on the right path.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:44 am
take_no_prisoners:
Yes, you are correct, I incorrectly took the Fox News attribution as it being an appearance on Fox News.
This is my mistake, and I fully recant my earlier comments regarding Fox News.
Obviously I do not recant my comments stating Ann did nothing wrong, but I am suitably embarrassed and chastised regarding my error.
Obviously I would expect misquotes and worse from CNBC.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:07 am
Who’s this Donny Douche guy, anyway?
October 12th, 2007 at 10:05 am
I thought SJ only threatened liberals, terrotists and really stupid people with tatering.
By the way, ditto on the demoncrat thing. It was a family thing. But think I’ll be switching partys soon. The dems just do not have good family values, common sense on crime and punishment, nor do they adhere to the priniciples of our founding fathers and the constitution that meet my ideas and values. Not saying that all repubs do either, but they get it a lot closer.
I’m sure I’ve got grandparents and great, great, greats rolling in their graves, but hey, it’s not your great grandfathers Democratic party anymore.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Apparently, I am the only conservative on the planet that doesn’t get the whole Ann Coulter admiration thing. Granted, I have not read any of her books, and, if I did, I might change my mind - if I can get past the cover photos of her in provocative clothing and poses. But, she comes off as a phony and condescending egomaniac to me. Her voice is annyoing and she sounds like a snob. I didn’t listen to the YawnTube interview, just read it.
By the way, I do agree with her on many topics. And I also agree that her interview with this guy sounded like a set up.
In any case, please let me in on what I don’t seem to know.
Thanks!
October 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
“Apparently, I am the only conservative on the planet that doesn’t get the whole Ann Coulter admiration thing. ”
Uh……nope, you’re not. There are at least two of us. But warning EC….don’t go there, at least not on S & L. You may only want to drain the swap but you’ll find yourself ass deep in alligators. Ms. Coulter is idolized here as an infallible and beautiful creature.
No flames please….I didn’t say anything nasty!
October 12th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Hmmm, wonder what all those clicking noises were that I just heard..??? ;o)
October 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
We are honored to be linked to some laughably inane liberal rant site called at-Largely.
A site, and I quote, "by Larisa Alexandrovna: For journalists and others who like examining the landscape of investigative reporting."
Here is an excerpt from Ms. Alexandrova’s profound musings on the subject of Coulter’s latest outrage, which she thoughtfully calls "The March Of The Hate Constituency":
Oh, my sides.
"A book" = Hebrews, from the New Testament. "Written by someone" = Saint Paul (or at least a member of the “Pauline communcity”). And, no, there is no "attribution to Jesus."
And I don’t think there any doubt about the "stellar sourcing."
Mind you, Alexandrovna proudly proclaims her membership in both the ACLU and the National Press Club.
Isn’t it reassuring that this person is a member of our watchdog media? What an investigative reporter she must be.
"Stupid, and smug about it" is no way to go through life, Larisa.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
“Ms. Coulter is idolized here as an infallible and beautiful creature.”
No, she isn’t. At least, not that I have noticed.
She is, however, defended from unfounded and often scurrilous attacks. And even the more snide and subtle ones.
For that matter, Coulter is treated no worse or better here than other conservative pundits who come under attack, including Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin.
Who are neither blond nor willowy.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
“Ms. Coulter is idolized here as an infallible and beautiful creature.”
Revising and extending…
As it happens I was probably the first to point out to Coulter that her latest column about Fred Thompson was inaccurate when she wrote he voted against Clinton’s conviction for obstruction of justice.
In fact, Thompson voted for that count, but not the perjury count.
Though, in fact, that was just a slip on Ann’s part, as I know she knew which was which, and just got it turned around in her column. (Which she has since corrected.)
But even on this very thread I have (albeit indirectly) pointed out that her figures about the Spanish Inquisition are probably too high. (I believe she was probably using the Jewish Encyclopedia for her source for those comments.)
So I don’t believe she is infallible. And I know that she doesn’t think she is. In fact, she believes quite the opposite.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
“Coulter is treated no worse or better here than other conservative pundits who come under attack,…”
I don’t know about that…..I haven’t seen any post of people wanting a date with Rush or Levin……
October 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
“So I don’t believe she is infallible. And I know that she doesn’t think she is. In fact, she believes quite the opposite.”
Easy there SG…..try some decaf. I was just needling you a little with that. And I wasn’t the one that made the statements that she is never wrong. I believe that was other posters. I kind of thought the needle would have been obvious with the wanting to date Rush and Levin comment.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Ann is, pure and simple, one of the few on the right willing to not only tell the truth but to give to the liberals the same that they give.
I admit she’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but I know I for one have a hard time not cheering most of what she has to say.
(I haven’t been thrilled with her dismissal of Thompson, being a FredHead myself.)
I’d like to add she’s also one of the nicest people you’d ever have occasion to meet.
October 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Wow - mention a woman people admire or religion and all hecky heck breaks loose. Ann is great - she jabs the truth back at the liars who spew all sorts of nonsense. And really does try to keep it funny. And as far as religion - well, what can I say - everyone does take it personally, way too personally.
Leave it to Ann and the liberals who hate her so ferociously to set off another firestorm. . .And election season hasn’t even really begun - this should be fun!
October 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I’ve always found Ann’s books to be well researched, as she always has little footnotes denoting her sources. That’s why I buy them.
I enjoy when she harpoons politicians, either Dems or Repubs. She has done her homework.
October 13th, 2007 at 6:42 am
You know, Ann Coulter is one of the few that I’ve seen that is literally always right, in public (including in print).
People always forget that it’s not that difficult to always be right in public. You don’t have to know everything in order to be always right- you just have to be sure that when you speak up, it’s speaking up about the things you know. It just takes a great deal of intelligence, requires one to think about what one says, and if one doesn’t know, then one doesn’t pretend to know. Ann Coulter is successful because she is all these things, and the Dems hate her for it. All the venom they spew, all the hateful rhetoric and thrown pies might amount to a mountain, but shrivel up into a little pile when confronted by the basic truths that Coulter speaks.
A whisper of truth carries more voice than a thousand-man chorus of lies.
October 13th, 2007 at 10:46 am
BTW, one of the most powerful and famous and famously Jewish men of history, Benjamin Disraeli, once pronounced: “Christianity is either completed Judaism or it is nothing.”
(And he certainly didn’t think it was “nothing.”)
October 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Here is some background and context on Disraeli’s remarks cited above from Wikipedia:
October 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Uh……nope, you’re not. There are at least two of us. But warning EC….don’t go there, at least not on S & L.
Ahhh…….warning heeded, thanks. That’s all I was going to say about her anyway. I don’t want to be banned!
October 13th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
You’re welcome EC….you won’t be banned but you will feel the wrath of SG, our outstanding site owner and DW, our Canadian from the GWN that is in love with her….lol.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:44 am
You’re welcome EC….you won’t be banned but you will feel the wrath of SG, our outstanding site owner and DW, our Canadian from the GWN that is in love with her….lol.
Understood. I will tread carefully. What’s GWN?
October 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
EC….GWN=Great White North A.K.A. Canada.
FYI, although not a fan of A.C. I do agree with most of what she says, it’s just her personality that kind of grates on me. Mostly though, I just like to needle SG and DW with my comments.
As for you….proceed at your own risk….LOL.
October 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
LOL…….I will.
Me too. I bet SG and DW rather enjoy it.