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Wal-Mart Crowd Rampaged After Cops Left

From the New York Post:

SHOPPING MAUL – COPS LEFT WAL-MART JUST BEFORE TRAGEDY

By TAYLOR K. VECSEY, CAROLYN SALAZAR and LUKAS I. ALPERT

November 30, 2008

The chaos that led to a rampaging mob storming a Long Island Wal-Mart – and trampling a worker to death – erupted just after a pair of police cruisers pulled from the parking lot, witnesses said yesterday.

“Once they left, it started getting rowdy,” said Jason Ortiz, 32, who came from East Flatbush in Brooklyn to get an early jump on post-Thanksgiving Day shopping. “The crowd got restless.”

Worker Jdimytai Damour, 34, of Queens – who had been hired from a temp agency just for the holiday rush – went to open the door, but hesitated when he saw how unruly the crowd had become, police said.

Then he opened it anyway, and the frenzied horde stormed through, knocking the door off its hinges and crushing him…

Law-enforcement officials said police had patrolled the mall throughout the night, but that shopping lines are “not something we would normally police.”

“You have to remember that this is private property,” Nassau County Police Detective Lt. Kevin Smith said. “The onus is on the store to provide security.”

Officials with Wal-Mart say they did just that, adding additional security personnel and erecting barricades, but now admit it wasn’t enough…

Jordan Hecht, a lawyer hired by Damour’s sisters, said the family was mulling a negligence suit…

Whenever a crime like this happens it is always attributed to the lack of security.

As if there could ever be enough policemen to watch everyone.

But the same people who complain about the lack of police protection are the same ones who carp about police harassment and being profiled.

Some of the comments posted at the Post’s site are very telling:

royfrowick wrote:

these shoppers were virtually all on WELFARE. they all have cell phones, $200 sneakers, and spend approximately $600 a month on braiding and hair extensions. They were all rushing in to buy $800 flat screen TVs with WELFARE money. Do you know any working people in this economy who are considering buying new, expensive electronics. END WELFARE NOW. no more food stamps, no more checks, no more school lunch programs, head start, all that HIP-HOP garbage.

ablesch wrote:

Well Bush and his mishandling of the economy has increased the human depravity factor in the US. Did he cause this specific act of depravity? No — but he is in part responsible.

What a world.

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, November 30th, 2008. Comments are currently closed.

22 Responses to “Wal-Mart Crowd Rampaged After Cops Left”

  1. proreason says:

    “these shoppers were virtually all on WELFARE. they all have cell phones, $200 sneakers, and spend approximately $600 a month on braiding and hair extensions. They were all rushing in to buy $800 flat screen TVs with WELFARE money. ”

    yep.

    welfare, tax rebates…..and they make more in the underground economy than you do.

    American enterprise……obamy style

  2. Liberals Demise says:

    These people can’t even get together and hold an Award Show for their type of music without violence breaking out! They are a breed amongst themselves. No Scruples what so ever!! They think they are entitled to everything under the sun and they don’t have to work for it!! We all can thank the Johnson Administration for the “BIG GIVE-AWAY” in the mid 60’s. Now we are lookin’ at the 4th generation of lazy asses w/ their hands out too! Don’t look for anything good to come out of the SAMB”O”BAMA Regime to make these people responsible for themselves. These animals are all “victims” of the white mans rule and “WE” owe them!! Yeah…..Right!!!

  3. 11ten1775 says:

    “these shoppers were virtually all on WELFARE. they all have cell phones, $200 sneakers, and spend approximately $600 a month on braiding and hair extensions. They were all rushing in to buy $800 flat screen TVs with WELFARE money. ”

    I would like to know how many toys (for children) were bought that morning. It’s usually these same people who show up – wearing the $200 shoes and talking on their cell phones – at Toys for Tots wanting stuff for their kids. And they don’t hesistate to yell at Marines if the (expensive) toy they had in mind isn’t there. After witnessing that insanity for a few years, we give elsewhere. What a sad mess.

  4. Liberals Demise says:

    CGardner
    After viewing the video I stand by what I said. I’ve seen this same thing in a National Geographic film where wildabeest rampage at a river forging and trample one another to get to the other side before the crocs rip them apart. Nuff said!

  5. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    A former co-worker of mine once said that the trouble with this world is that God didn’t create a predatory animal that kills and eats stupid people. Maybe after reading this he’ll mostly likely say ‘and especially those who are inconsiderate to their fellow man.’ How do these people live with themselves, knowing what they’ve done? Oh that’s right, they have no conscience. They live by the rule when something bad happens to someone else that it sucks to be you rather than the golden rule. The line that separates civility and chaos is a fine, precarious one at best.

  6. merryanne says:

    I don’t think we can let Wal-Mart (and other retailers) off the hook on this one. They create the shopping mania by offering these sales. If they would spread out the available times, or make sure there is enough merchandise for everyone at a reasonable sale price, this madness would be checked. I personally will not go near a Wal-mart or other store on Black Friday. I am horrified at the unchecked greed that has come to be the norm for the celebration of Christ’s birth.

  7. BillK says:

    merryanne, you’re way off base.

    Retailers shouldn’t be held responsible for society’s ills, nor for the fact that a bunch of greedy idiots can’t act like human beings in their rush to buy things the media has been reporting for months now they can’t afford (yet that they somehow bought.)

    Black Friday has nothing to do with Christ’s birth; even an atheist can appreciate $500 off on a TV. :-)

  8. murphys_law says:

    Black Friday indeed.

    This is yet another reason to stay in school, study hard and get ahead, lest you end up forced to live in a neighborhood populated with these sorry excuses for humanity.

    Somehow though, I knew some bright bulb would connect the dots and place the blame
    squarely on where it belongs….George Bush.

    Until the black community gets to cleaning its collective act up, they will not be taken seriously as a group. How’s that hip-hop culture working out for you?

    That is not saying that the whites are all that much better.
    Nothing stupider than watching middle class white teenagers trying to act street or ghetto or whatever the hell its called.

  9. proreason says:

    “They create the shopping mania by offering these sales. If they would spread out the available times, or make sure there is enough merchandise for everyone at a reasonable sale price, this madness would be checked.”

    so, the retailers need to “compensate” for the wild beasts rutting in the aisles.

    sounds like a plan obamy might be cooking up

    anyway, I think it’s Bush’s fault

  10. DEZ says:

    “If they would spread out the available times, or make sure there is enough merchandise for everyone at a reasonable sale price,”

    Okay, how much merchandise is enough, should they go ask everyone within 10 square miles what they will be buying on a given sale day?
    What if Sony or Microsoft cant keep up with the demand for a certain product, how are the retailers supposed to have enough of this mystical number “plenty”.
    By spreading out the times, do you mean have the sales last longer?
    24 hours, 48, 72, 144?

    We have become a nation of litigation because everyone wants to play the game Lawsuit Lottery.
    “I busted my ass, in the parking lot, I should be a millionaire, so I’ll sue sue sue.”
    There was not enough security is the other battle cry, “enough” another of those mystical numbers, kinda like plenty.

    Responsibility is a word that only applies to somebody with enough money to make a lawsuit profitable.
    I suggest retailers build guard towers housing guards with fully automatic weapons to keep the shoppers in line, and give them “enough” ammo.

  11. Colonel1961 says:

    ‘I don’t think we can let Wal-Mart (and other retailers) off the hook on this one.’

    Oh, for the love of God. Are you even half serious? Is it I who is now taking the bait?

    Please merryanne: personal responsibility. Yes it’s difficult, yes it sucks sometimes, but it is the Alpha and Omega of civilization. Civilization – remember that word and it’s meaning… It ain’t Wal-Mart’s fault – it’s the rubbish impersonating humanity at fault.

    Those were miscreants. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Nonetheless, I am in complete agreement about the usurpation of our Lord’s birth. But nothing excuses this disgrace.

    p.s. 12 Gauge Rage – Bingo!

  12. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Colonel1961,

    Thanks for the kudos. I’ve often wondered if knowing the depravity of human nature, that our founding fathers insisted on the right to bear arms for not only protection against a potential corrupt government, but also from our fellow man who refuses to behave in a civilized manner.

    “An armed society is a polite society.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  13. wirenut says:

    Last report in my nick of the woods is,”temp stockboy” was to blame for his own demise . How sad and how removed are we from our own actions? Blame the victim? Was that sweater worth it? I think not !
    Cattle call or stupid stampede, no one should die by opening a door .

  14. DEZ says:

    “Last report in my nick of the woods is,”temp stockboy” was to blame for his own demise .”

    I had heard that as well, maybe they missed the part about the crowd ripping the doors off the hinges?

  15. Liberals Demise says:

    It’s Bushs’ fault for the fatherless homes these dregs were hatched in.
    It’s Bushs’ fault that Sony only gave each store a handful of 50 inch flat screen TVs to sell.
    It’s Bushs’ fault that these animals don’t get enough love and nurturing from welfare stamps.
    Whatever it is, under the sun, its Bushs’ fault!! What a great scapegoat!! Once again it’s everybody elses fault. Why be responsible?

  16. artboyusa says:

    All that for some piece of crap that they don’t need and can’t afford and don’t even really want…the day we have people getting up at four in the morning to apply for a job or to hand in their college application form is the day we’ll have a healthy society instead of the reeking, bottomless bucket of chum we’re stuck with now.

  17. 1sttofight says:

    Oooh Ahhh,

    You tellum artboy.

  18. nuthingbettertodo says:

    In keeping with the “new” spirit of the season….

    Meltdown fallout: some parents rethink toy-buying
    By DAVID CRARY – 2 days ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — In a season that inspires earnest letters about toys, one notable batch is being sent not by kids to Santa’s workshop but by parents to the executive suites of real-world toy makers.

    The message: Please, in these days of economic angst, cut back on marketing your products directly to our children.

    The letter-writing initiative was launched by the Boston-based Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood, which says roughly 1,400 of its members and supporters have contacted 24 leading toy companies and retailers to express concern about ads aimed at kids.

    “Unfortunately, I will not be able to purchase many of the toys that my sons have asked for; we simply don’t have the money,” wrote Todd Helmkamp of Hudson, Ind. “By bombarding them with advertisements … you are placing parents like me in the unenviable position of having to tell our children that we can’t afford the toys you promote.”

    The Toy Industry Association has responded with a firm defense of current marketing practices, asserting that children “are a vital part of the gift selection process.”

    “If children are not aware of what is new and available, how will they be able to tell their families what their preferences are?” an industry statement said. “While there is certainly greater economic disturbance going on now, families have always faced different levels of economic well-being and have managed to tailor their spending to their means.”

    In recent conference calls with investors, toy company executives said they expect to suffer some holiday-season impact from the economic crisis, yet suggested their industry would be more resilient than many other sectors. The toy industry is commonly viewed as recession-resistant, due largely to the parent-child dynamic.

    “Parents have trouble saying no,” said Allison Pugh, a University of Virginia sociology professor. She says parents often buy toys to avoid guilt and ensure their children feel in sync with school classmates.

    “Even under circumstances of dire financial straits, that’s the last thing parents give up,” said Pugh. “They’ll contain their own buying for themselves before they’ll make their child feel different at school.”

    Amanda Almodovar says she encounters such families in her work as an elementary school social worker in Alamance County, N.C., where homelessness and unemployment are rising.

    “I had one parent who said she’d prostitute herself to get what her child wants,” Almodovar said. “It’s heartbreaking. They feel inadequate as parents.

    “I try to tell them, worry about your home, your heating bill — but they’re the ones who have to look into children’s faces, the children saying ‘I want this, I want that.'”

    Even in some households not in fiscal crisis, there’s a sense that this holiday season is different.

    John Schenkenfelder, a financial adviser and father of three in Louisville, Ky., wrote a blog entry this month urging families to scale down their gift-giving and spend more time playing together.

    “This has been bugging me for years, even when times were great,” Schenkenfelder said in a telephone interview. “Maybe people will get it this year — they’re so unprepared for this debacle. They’re shell-shocked.”

    In Columbus, Ohio, Erin Beth Dower Charron has been trying to brace her 4-year-old son and 8-year-old daughter for more subdued gift-getting this year as the family begins financial belt-tightening.

    “My 8-year-old is still holding out hope that Santa will get her that one special gift, but understanding this year may be different,” Dower Charron said. “My son doesn’t understand. Everything he sees, he wants.”

    Toy ads on kids’ TV shows make the process harder, she said. “The onslaught seems to be more intense this year.”

    Dower Charron was among the hundreds of parents who took up the suggestion to write to toy companies.

    “Help me understand why your toy is the better one for my child, and why it should be one of the few I can afford,” she wrote. “Don’t leave that up to my children.”

    The director of the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood, psychologist Susan Linn, said she and her colleagues don’t expect toy companies to stop advertising — rather, they want the ads directed at parents.

    “It’s cruel to dangle irresistible ads for toys and electronics in front of kids — encouraging them to nag for gifts that their parents can’t afford,” she said. “It’s just not fair.”

    The big toy makers aren’t likely to redirect their ads for one fundamental reason, according to Richard Gottlieb, a New York-based consultant to the industry.

    “Toy companies advertise to children because it works, to be brutally honest,” Gottlieb said in an interview.

    Gottlieb also contends that it’s good for children to encounter toy ads — even in cases where products later turn out to be disappointments.

    “It teaches, for very low stakes, how to navigate in our consumer culture,” he said.

    “They are going to have to spend the rest of their lives listening to every kind of marketing approach, and childhood is where they will learn to cope with it.”

    As for the economic pressure on parents, Gottlieb sounds a fatalistic note.

    “Believe me, there are families with much bigger issues on their plates right now then worrying about whether their child will be unhappy because they did not get a particular toy,” Gottlieb wrote in his “Out of the Toy Box” blog. “Delivering disappointment goes with the job of parenting.”

  19. yellarcan says:

    nuthingbettertodo:
    I’m having trouble making a connection in the story about parents writing toy companies asking them not to “dangle a cupcake in front of their childrens face”, and a bunch of dumbass (you know I want to type IT so bad, I can’t stand it) shoppers that murdered a Walmart employee just to save a couple bucks on crap they don’t need. You and I both know that 80 to 90% of those bastards were buying for themselves and probably don’t give a rats rear about their kids anyway. Damn sad but damn true.

  20. Colonel1961 says:

    nothingbettertodo: are you posting this as yet another example of ‘soft’ America or do you actually agree with its message?

    “Delivering disappointment goes with the job of parenting.” Fatalistic? Realistic. “Economic pressure on parents…”? Get real.

  21. nuthingbettertodo says:

    Colonel1961 – yea another example of soft America. Spineless parents that can’t say no to their spoiled kids or spend the time they took to write these letters to instead teach their children….well…. just about anything. Even how not to trample store employees to death on black friday.

    And no, yellarcan, it doesn’t have much to do with the original story but as I said it is in keeping with the “new” spirit of the season. Both stories are about the “gotta have it now” crowd who have long forgot or were never taught the right way to behave.

    I have 4 kids ages 8 – 12 and I am happy to say that they do not demand nor do they get anything they want – even when we can afford it. But I hate to say it…they are the exception and not the rule.


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