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	<title>Comments on: De Tocqueville&#8217;s Paean To Townhalls</title>
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		<title>By: Helena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little rebuttal for Ms. McClaskill from Thomas Jefferson, quoted by de Tocqueville in &#039;Democracy in America&#039;:
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Book I, Chapter 13: GOVERNMENT OF THE DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA
Jefferson himself, the greatest democrat whom the democracy of America has as yet produced, pointed out the same dangers. 

&quot;The instability of our laws,&quot; said he, &quot;is really a very serious inconvenience. I think that we ought to have obviated it by deciding that &lt;b&gt;a whole year should always be allowed to elapse between the bringing in of a bill and the final passing of it. It should afterwards be discussed and put to the vote without the possibility of making any alteration in it;&lt;/b&gt; and if the circumstances of the case required a more speedy decision, the question should not be decided by a simple majority, but by a majority of at least two thirds of each house.&quot; 2 

2 Letter to Madison, December 20, 1787, translation of M. Conseil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Take that, demo-rats, with your &quot;We have to pass this right now! Today!&quot;

I guess now I have to finally break down and actually read de Tocqueville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little rebuttal for Ms. McClaskill from Thomas Jefferson, quoted by de Tocqueville in &#8216;Democracy in America&#8217;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Book I, Chapter 13: GOVERNMENT OF THE DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA<br />
Jefferson himself, the greatest democrat whom the democracy of America has as yet produced, pointed out the same dangers. </p>
<p>&#8220;The instability of our laws,&#8221; said he, &#8220;is really a very serious inconvenience. I think that we ought to have obviated it by deciding that <b>a whole year should always be allowed to elapse between the bringing in of a bill and the final passing of it. It should afterwards be discussed and put to the vote without the possibility of making any alteration in it;</b> and if the circumstances of the case required a more speedy decision, the question should not be decided by a simple majority, but by a majority of at least two thirds of each house.&#8221; 2 </p>
<p>2 Letter to Madison, December 20, 1787, translation of M. Conseil.</p></blockquote>
<p>Take that, demo-rats, with your &#8220;We have to pass this right now! Today!&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess now I have to finally break down and actually read de Tocqueville.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Roark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Roark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Isn&#039;t it quaint to read de Tocqueville&#039;s line, &lt;em&gt;so little do the authorities forget their popular origin and the power from which they emanate.&lt;/em&gt; in the face of Statists like Claire McClaskill?  Did anyone catch her town hall yesterday, where she preened and condescended to the &quot;angry mob&quot; with words such as this:  &quot;Do you all think that you&#039;re persuading people when you shout out like that?&quot; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfRACEEJjYk

Does anyone besides me see her as a &quot;Third-grade teacher&quot;?  She honestly thinks that in this age of information explosion, where we&#039;ve seen the Great O&#039;s video clip where he extols the virtues of a single-payer system ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c ), that we haven&#039;t been hardened by hysterical full-court presses to pass crippling stimulous bills in the past year, ...that she can just talk to us as if we&#039;re children, needing to learn a lesson.  

de Tocqueville felt that America was so in love with the notion of equalitarianism that we had, in our Jacksonian era zeal, lost the ability to be a free thinker as individuals.  We are, in my estimation, seeing the last gasps of an attempt to remain wedded to the notion of Liberty.  True liberty is not a magical playground where everyone turns out equal.  Liberty is not for the weak of heart.  It is for the strong and the courageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it quaint to read de Tocqueville&#8217;s line, <em>so little do the authorities forget their popular origin and the power from which they emanate.</em> in the face of Statists like Claire McClaskill?  Did anyone catch her town hall yesterday, where she preened and condescended to the &#8220;angry mob&#8221; with words such as this:  &#8220;Do you all think that you&#8217;re persuading people when you shout out like that?&#8221; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfRACEEJjYk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfRACEEJjYk</a></p>
<p>Does anyone besides me see her as a &#8220;Third-grade teacher&#8221;?  She honestly thinks that in this age of information explosion, where we&#8217;ve seen the Great O&#8217;s video clip where he extols the virtues of a single-payer system ( <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c</a> ), that we haven&#8217;t been hardened by hysterical full-court presses to pass crippling stimulous bills in the past year, &#8230;that she can just talk to us as if we&#8217;re children, needing to learn a lesson.  </p>
<p>de Tocqueville felt that America was so in love with the notion of equalitarianism that we had, in our Jacksonian era zeal, lost the ability to be a free thinker as individuals.  We are, in my estimation, seeing the last gasps of an attempt to remain wedded to the notion of Liberty.  True liberty is not a magical playground where everyone turns out equal.  Liberty is not for the weak of heart.  It is for the strong and the courageous.</p>
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