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Doctors Want To Take Fat Kids From Parents

From a concerned about ‘the optics’ Associated Press:

Should parents lose custody of super obese kids?

By LINDSEY TANNER | AP – Wed, Jul 13, 2011

CHICAGO (AP) — Should parents of extremely obese children lose custody for not controlling their kids’ weight? A provocative commentary in one of the nation’s most distinguished medical journals argues yes, and its authors are joining a quiet chorus of advocates who say the government should be allowed to intervene in extreme cases.

It has happened a few times in the U.S., and the opinion piece in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association says putting children temporarily in foster care is in some cases more ethical than obesity surgery.

Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity specialist at Harvard-affiliated Children’s Hospital Boston, said the point isn’t to blame parents, but rather to act in children’s best interest and get them help that for whatever reason their parents can’t provide

First they came for the fat kids. But we didn’t have any fat kids…

State intervention "ideally will support not just the child but the whole family, with the goal of reuniting child and family as soon as possible. That may require instruction on parenting," said Ludwig, who wrote the article with Lindsey Murtagh, a lawyer and a researcher at Harvard’s School of Public Health.

"Despite the discomfort posed by state intervention, it may sometimes be necessary to protect a child," Murtagh said.

Just remember, thanks to Obama-care, our entire medical establishment will soon be following the marching orders from the lawyers and researchers at the Harvard School Of Public Health.

But University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Art Caplan said he worries that the debate risks putting too much blame on parents. Obese children are victims of advertising, marketing, peer pressure and bullying — things a parent can’t control, he said.

‘Bullying’ causes obesity? Who knew? — Besides, this "bioethicist,’ that is.

"If you’re going to change a child’s weight, you’re going to have to change all of them," Caplan said.

Apparently, it takes a village to fatten a child. By the way, as we noted last week, the government is already well on its way to regulating advertising for foods children might eat. Since kids are always sneaking off and buying the family groceries.

Roughly 2 million U.S. children are extremely obese. Most are not in imminent danger, Ludwig said. But some have obesity-related conditions such as Type 2 diabetes, breathing difficulties and liver problems that could kill them by age 30. It is these kids for whom state intervention, including education, parent training, and temporary protective custody in the most extreme cases, should be considered, Ludwig said

Ludwig? Is that a German name?

In a commentary in the medical journal BMJ last year, London pediatrician Dr. Russell Viner and colleagues said obesity was a factor in several child protection cases in Britain. They argued that child protection services should be considered if parents are neglectful or actively reject efforts to control an extremely obese child’s weight.

A 2009 opinion article in Pediatrics made similar arguments. Its authors said temporary removal from the home would be warranted "when all reasonable alternative options have been exhausted."

State intervention in obesity "doesn’t necessarily involve new legal requirements," Ludwig said. Health care providers are required to report children who are at immediate risk, and that can be for a variety of reasons, including neglect, abuse and what doctors call "failure to thrive." That’s when children are severely underweight

"Dr. Lainie Ross, a medical ethicist at the University of Chicago, said: "There’s a stigma with state intervention. We just have to do it with caution and humility and make sure we really can say that our interventions are going to do more good than harm."

But it’s okay as long as we control the ‘optics.’

This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, July 14th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

15 Responses to “Doctors Want To Take Fat Kids From Parents”

  1. GetBackJack says:

    I say Yes.

    Because it would be a logical first step in establishing a National Policy of removing endangered children from any home where the parents have in the past, or are presently voting Democratic Party. If the parents are found the be registered Democrats, or even academics or members of the mainstream media establishment then the children should be neutered at birth as a prophylactic measure for the future National well being.

    I mean, that is the logical progression here, isn’t it?

  2. BigOil says:

    Two million kids are considered extremely obese? Just imagine the bureaucracy we could create to administer the intervention, custody, education, and parent training. What a great opportunity for job creation.

    Interesting how this idea is being floated at the same time the First Lady is conducting her child obesity Jihad. Quite the coincidence.

  3. conant says:

    These progressives (Nazies) are the latter day version of the nuns who stole newborns and sold them to good catholic parents and the educators who forcibly removed native americans to “Indian Schools” where they were beaten and starved if they spoke their language or respected their gods- All for their own good of course

  4. proreason says:

    There ya go, it’s ok to force your totalitarian tactics down our throats….just do it with “caution and humility”.

    “I know that pulling your toenails out by the roots, sir, may seem painful, but please be assured that we have tested the pain level, and you could tolerate much more. And besides, I have a poor constuent who is in desperate need of toenails to make an aphrodisiac that is required by his pagan religion. Please understand that this is merely for the greater good of the country.”

    • GetBackJack says:

      …. and when we finally got sensible and started throwing virgins into the volcano, everything turned out swell!”

    • Right of the People says:

      Where did they find the virgins? At the Preschool?

  5. tranquil.night says:


    Fast food: evil.

    Two Mommies or Daddies: normal.

    State-controlled day-care from birth: optimal.

    No questions please. This had been studied and concluded as truth by your benevolent betters through a very scientific, evolving, process.

  6. TerryAnne says:

    Soon enough there will not be a generation left to “take care” of my generation when we age, since they’re all going to die from malnourishment or complications from eating disorders or suicide (for not feeling acceptible for being “fat”).

    I’m so sick of this – the America is full of “fat” kids announcement – that I could put my head through the brick wall with one bang on it. The only good thing about it is that I regularly get to enjoy the look of abject horror when liberals talk about this with me and I can tell them – truthfully – that I don’t care about the “fat” kids, and if they or their parents want to live like that, it’s not my problem.

  7. rakkasan says:

    First they came for the fat kids. But we didn’t have any fat kids…

    That was hilarious!

  8. Georgfelis says:

    My first reaction: That’s nuts!
    My second reaction: How many of these have happened.
    My third reaction: That few?
    My fourth reaction: Wow, they must have been *really* obese.

    Now I realize there are a host of psychological “things” that affect parents that can *really* screw up a child, everything from Munchausen by Proxy, to displacement disorders and alcholism. As long as the courts can maintain the default view of “A parent is fit to raise their child unless proven otherwise” instead of the opposite, we should be OK as a society.

    Yeah, thats a big “if”.

  9. canary says:

    Adult children will be therapy & rehab.

    R. V. ” I would sneak food when my parents weren’t looking and eat at friends houses. And the government took me away. While I was in the orphanage the other fat children would beat me up to give them my food. Then I was put in a foster home and locked in a cage.”

    D. L. “My parents were bad parents and I was taken from home. They didn’t lock me in a cage, and keep me from sneaking food. My bad parents let me go to friend houses, sleep overs, and even made me go to school where I’d bend over for the other boys to get food from them.”

    L. M. “Being taken from my parents was good for me. I learned from the other fat children all sorts of tricks so I could get back with parents and family. I learned to stick my finger down my throat and vomit my food. I went 3 days with eating. I exercised not stop.”

    D. L. “Lindsey can you teach me some tricks so I can get skinny and buff, more boys will give me food if I bend over”

    L. M. “Sure David, but you’ll have to sneak me a bunch of candy bars so I can show you.”

    R. V. “David. I didn’t want to bend over like you did. The other boys made me bend over if I didn’t sneak food and give it to them.”

    L. M. “I’m going to sue the government for giving my family food stamps and schools giving free meals.”

    D. L. “I’m going to sue the government for not giving my parents a special refrigerator with locks, and locks for the cabinets.

    L.M. “I’m gonna sue my friends parents for not locking up their food.”

  10. Rusty Shackleford says:

    The issue is simply one of stark reality. Rather than ask the hard question, “Why are the kids fat to begin with?”, which comes down to parenting skills. Kid feels bad? Don’t take the time to talk to the kid, no; Feed them a Big Mac instead. ‘Cuz that’s just like “givin’ da luuuv”, right? Kid doesn’t know what to do if it’s raining outside? Let them sit in front of the idiot box and down a couple bags of potato chips and several soft drinks. Where’s the harm in that?

    Physical activity, exercise, thought-provoking conversation with kids, EFFORT…is an ongoing process that good parents engage in. But, as the decline of the nation has been progressing for decades, we can now see the results of the liberal agenda left and right. Fat kids. Lots of ’em. Everywhere.

    And the answer is always that the parents are to blame. Period.

    You have to have a license to catch fish, but any moron can have a kid. Been that way for a long time now. But it’s not the government’s job to intervene….the liberals have said so many times. But now they want to intervene over this? I guess I should have expected it. They want control over everything else; hell why not over fat kids?

  11. untrainable says:

    “…make sure we really can say that our interventions are going to do more good than harm.”
    I’m not sure if an bioethicist actually qualifies as a “doctor” as such, but doesn’t the Hippocratic Oath say that first they will do no harm? I guess I missed the memo where they changed it to “I will do no harm, unless it’s a child and the back of his neck looks like a pack of ball park franks.” Yeah, that being the case, harm is fine.

    It never ceases to amaze me how adept the lefties are at rationalization. Underage pregnant girls should be allowed to get an abortion without the parent’s consent or knowledge, but fat kids need to be taken from their homes in order to meet some political wingnut’s idea of the ideal body mass index. Sure, being dragged out of your home and seperated from your parents because you’re FAT might leave lingering psychological scars (which the left will no doubt take advantage of in some nefarious way at a later date) but the state knows best…right? People need to let the government decide these things for them. Especially the complicated stuff like what to have for dinner. We’re just too much Homer Simpson and not enough Barack Obama.

    But who would suffer most? The democrat base, that’s who. When the fascist fat police start dragging away all those poor brainwashed democrat children from their oblivious-to-reality welfare-sucking democrat parents, what are democrat politicians going to say to get re-elected?

    “I promise fiscal responsibility and your children back with you (if you vote dem).
    A free range chicken in every pot, and your child returned to you after you sign this.
    Vote for me or you’ll never see Porky again.

    When will the insanity end?

  12. P. Aaron says:

    We should take the ‘bioethicists’ from the colleges.

  13. Victoria says:

    This article may be too old to garner a response, but what’s with the vitriol against bioethicists?

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