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Gates, Clinton Oppose Releasing OBL Photo

From our old friend Jake Tapper, at ABC News:

Gates, Clinton Advising President to Not Release OBL Photograph; Obama Increasingly Concerned No Good Would Come from It

Jake Tapper
May 04, 2011

President Obama is increasingly doubtful that there’s a compelling reason to release a photograph of Osama bin Laden’s corpse, ABC News has learned.

There don’t seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden’s death in the Muslim world, with bin Laden’s wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden’s death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.

Meanwhile, sources say, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are advising the president about concerns at the Pentagon and State Department that releasing a photograph could prompt a backlash against the US for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.

The internal debate at the White House is then informed by this question: why are we releasing this photograph if no one seems to really doubt his death and releasing it could cause more harm than good?

US official: "The only skeptics are extremists and they wouldn’t be convinced by a photograph anyway. So the president has to weigh the potential negatives and they’re huge, there’s a tremendous risk of the photo becoming a rallying cry for attacks against US soldiers, government personnel, and Americans in general."

By the way, as for the claim that no one is doubting his death, we have this report from the Belfast Telegram:

Taliban demand proof of killing

Tuesday, 3 May 2011

The Taliban have cast suspicion on the announcement of Osama bin Laden’s death, saying they would not believe the al Qaida leader was dead until they had seen proof or received confirmation from sources close to him.

Though US officials have said they confirmed bin Laden’s identity both with face-mapping software and DNA tests, the lack of photos of the body and its burial at sea have raised doubts in Afghanistan and Pakistan that the man who evaded American detection for so long has actually been killed.

"This news is only coming from one side, from Obama’s office, and American has not shown any evidence or proof to support this claim," Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said in a statement emailed to journalists. "On the other side, our sources close to Osama bin Laden have not confirmed or denied the news."

"Until there is news from sources close to Osama bin Laden it will be too early to provide any reaction," the statement said…

So the ‘extremists’ can’t have it both ways. They can’t demand proof, and then get riled up if we release photographic proof.

– Just kidding. Of course these bravos will be angry no matter what we do – or don’t do.

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, May 4th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

23 Responses to “Gates, Clinton Oppose Releasing OBL Photo”

  1. TerryAnne

    “bin Laden’s wife having survived the attack to identify bin Laden’s death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.”

    “confirmed bin Laden’s identity both with face-mapping software and DNA tests”

    Which is it?!?!

    • retire05

      TerryAnn, you’re right; you can’t have it both ways.

      But I have given a lot of thought to the release of the death photos. They should be released.

      If the reason to withhold them is that it would outrage the radical Muslim community, WTF? The radical Muslim community stays outraged. If the reason is, as Carney just said, to protect the safety of our American military, WFT? If Obama was so damn worried about our military, why was he playing golf as 40 U.S. Navy SEALS went into the belly of the beast on a mission that had the possibility to go terribly wrong at any time?

      Personally, I think Obama does not want the criticism that will come when the entire world learns that this was strictly a “kill” mission, and not a “capture or kill” mission. Standard practice would be a body mass shot to take ObL down with the barrel of a gun pushed into his temple letting ObL know he should lay still. Instead, it was a body shot and two pops to the head, at close enough range that the force blew off part of his skull.

      Last night, Leon Panetta stated, unequivocally, that photos would be released. Do we have a power play going on inside the White House?

      How many of us can say, with honesty, that we have never seen the photos of the back of JFK’s head being blown off? So the violence factor doesn’t hold water. And what was the uptick in terrorist activity when the photos of Saddam’s dead sons was released to the world, or the photos of al Zarqawi, laying dead on a stretcher?

      This is a political decision on the part of Obama to try to tamp down the anger that is going to eminate from the Muslim world, but it won’t work. It is just a stupid move on the part of an inept and incompetent president. Americans deserve to know the truth. Had this been accomplished during the Bush administration, we would be hearing demands for the photos from the MFM press followed up with screams how we don’t violate the sovereignty of another nation and we don’t “assassinate” people.

      How can a mission, carried on with such percission and without the loss or injury to any SEAL, be so screwed up by this administration?

  2. jobeth

    Next…to further confuse and confound and to make murkier already opaque waters….The release of a UBL video…passed off as a post assault edition.

    That is just what we need here. I can see it happening.

  3. tranquil.night

    To not release the photo is to validate everything the monster stood for, i.e. intimidation, fear, and taking advantage of our tolerance.

    The picture should be released for no other reason than that those who choose to become an avatar of Evil know and realize that this too will be their fate.

  4. proreason

    Releasing the photo could confirm that he was executed, not shot in a firefight. They don’t want to release it.

    They want the final pack of lies to be that the Moron ordered the Seals to bring him back alive unless lives were at risk. Obamy is a Nobel Laureate Peacemaker you know. But when OBL started resisting, the Seals had to shoot him to protect the mission and their lives.

    The double-tap won’t fit the script. Double-tap spells “in cold-blood”.

    That’s also why the first pass at the fantasy included an armed OBL and his wife as a human shield. But the kids, in their excitement, didn’t realize that the 16 live people that were left behind would provide more credible eye-witness reports.

    So far, it appears that there were no witnesses when OBL was bye bye’d. If there were, we would be hearing about how that happened from more reputable sources than the white house (or in other words, the lieing, thieving murdering terrorist survivors, not the lieing, thieving, murdering marxist white house).

    Since there were no witnesses, the photos aren’t likely to be released unless a counter story gets traction and it becomes advantageous to release pictures.

    Save your trump cards until you need to play them

    • Gil

      proreason said, “So far, it appears that there were no witnesses when OBL was bye bye’d. ” So much for that theory that no one saw it happen:

      Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
      Wednesday, 04 May 2011
      Osama bin Laden’s daughter confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation . (File photo)
      By MUSHTAQ YUSUFZAI
      Special to Al Arabiya

      Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad.

      The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members.

      According to sources, Bin Laden was staying on the ground floor of the house and was dragged on the floor to the helicopter after being shot dead by US commandos.

      http://english.alarabiya.net/a.....47782.html

    • proreason

      Thanks for that.

      So there is at least one person claiming to be witness to an assassination, if you believe Al Arabiya (which I personally believe is as credible as our MBM, at least on this matter). Not to attack the daughter’s credibility (who I believe more than than any obamy official), one might wonder why a Seal would shoot a captured and unarmed OBL in cold blood with his daughter present, and then leave her behind as a witness. That doesn’t seem smart to me.

      But it does fit with the assassination theme that I’ve been suggesting for a couple of days now.

      btw, there have been earlier reports that said OBL was on the 3rd floor of the house and that it took several minutes to get to him. There are also theories that his guards shot him, since that was supposedly their agreement with OBL. And also, the daughter’s report doesn’t seem to agree with the latest wh story that “he was resisting”, or at least, the daughter doesn’t confirm that in this story, this time. And also, one might think that if the Seals had allowed her to be a witness to an assassination, and had left her behind to be a witness, that they would have mentioned that to an administration spokesmen, since they would have had to know that it would come out.

      As I think this one through, I’m beginning to doubt the daughter’s story. Either the Seals assassinated OBL away from her, or they shot him in a firefight when she could see it. For them to shoot him after capture with her as a witness doesn’t make sense.

    • tranquil.night

      Yeah, it’s a little too cold-blooded which makes me think her take is embellished. But there’s something about the way it went down that they are trying to whitewash. They’ve blown that narrative of the story several times now, and it ties up all the other oddities like why we tossed him overboard when such effort had been made to get a confirmation.

      The idea that Panetta, et. al were in control of this because Obama kept going AWOL until the rest of the team gave him no other practical choice makes sense. They’re still in charge, and Obama’s probably pissed with the mess they’re making out of it.

    • proreason

      The current administration theme that it was a “shoot to kill” operation (unless he didn’t resist, in which case they should capture him), gives credence to the idea that it was Panetta’s deal and the Moron was manipulatied into going along.

      Does anybody think that obamy would have ordered shoot to kill instead of a capture plan?
      a. he is notoriously indedisive and when finally making a decision, tries to play all sides of the aisle
      b. as a dedicated leftist, if he followed the pretend meme of being peace loving, he would always choose capture over killing
      c. OBL had more propaganda value captured than dead (although Steve among others, disagrees)
      d. certainly, getting OBL alive would have played better with muslims than shooting the guy in the head.
      e. would he have gone to play golf after giving a shoot to kill order? of course, with this guy, you never know

      and yeh, tn’s point about little lenin being po’ed about the aftermath must be correct….unless the little king is so removed from reality that he isn’t aware that the pack of lies is shifting even faster than even he likes.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      I just can’t wait for the Oliver Stone picture.

  5. jobeth

    Me thinks that now that Obalmy has walked right into the “I’m the hero” trap…this thing is going to become a global “man made disaster for him” when its found out UBL was killed in cold blood.

    By not releasing the photos it will confirm to the world enemies of the US that it WAS a cold blooded murder…Of course…by releasing the photos, the same thing could be proven.

    This may blow up in Clinton’s and Panetta’s face as well.

    I’m on the edge of my seat watching all this fiction.

  6. Chase

    I have sat through some, very few, but some dumb movies with my kids. Under the age of 13-14, they are pretty non-introspective or discerning, at least when it comes to relaxing their minds in front of electronics. Everything is “cool,” “neat” (well, ok, not my kids), “fun(ny)” or whatever. Only when they are a little older do they recognize that there is Dumber and even Dumber, or that while amusing, they would not sit through it again.

    Why are kids not seen as reliable witnesses in court? How easily can they be led, confused, drawn into, or spun around?

    These are kids. Malleable as Play-doh. And their words are coming from, being fed to them by, or filtered and massaged by our friends, the Pakistanis. Oh, and they just woke up in the middle of the night. And they are scared, even horrified and crying their eyes out, clutching at adult women or each other’s shoulders….who knows what they saw, what they thought they saw, what they are being told they saw, and whether or not they had any comprehension of time and space at the time.

    Personally, I would grant that the basis of what they say is true – armed men came in the night, there was shooting, we were shunted aside, guns were pointed at us, our hands were zip-tied, and Osama bin Laden’s dead bloody body was brought out of the main house and was taken away.

    Beyond that, nope, zilch. I am buying nothing, one way or the other, that is attributed to kids, or comes from Pakistan.

    I am waiting for Newsweek to hit the stands. (snark)

  7. GetBackJack

    I don;t understand how politicians are reported as getting laid on such a relentless schedule by every kind of woman known under the Sun.

    With shriveled 1″ cocktail wieners, flattened huevos, gigantic egos and zero testosterone … what in hell is the allure?

    Not an ounce of Man-up amongst this crowd. They’re all flat and smooth like Ken.

  8. canary

    The Apache Indians need to quit their complaining of our Navy Seals using the name “Geronimo” when
    they accomplished the mission. As young children do you recall when you’d jump from a high place into a the water, you’d hollar out Geronimo as loud as you could. We did it all the time, bridge, and cliff jumping, or off a high pool board.

    Yelling Geronimo meant victory and bravery. The story is that while escaping Ft. Sill cavalry soldiers
    he came to the cliff which is still there today and he and horse jumped it landing into water below. It was a successful amazing leap, because the horse did it for him. He was held their old jail on Ft. Sill.

    Geronimo became a Christian.

    This link was the 1st I came across on Ft. Sill which is Geronimo’s Cliff and you can see the water.
    It was to the NE of this area where he was jailed for a while.

    The Navy Seals being the bravest in the water, I believe chose that the name Geronimo as their having the bravery and success of man and horse making it over that cliff into the water. The U.S. soldiers didn’t dare follow. So, let’s just give our Seals a break. Unless Obama came up with the code name, then we can spin it a different way and let the apaches rip him one for it.

    Apaches were fierce. And so are the Navy Seals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1 (sorry for the bleeping turtle, but worn out to find a better pic.

  9. Papa Louie

    US official: “The only skeptics are extremists and they wouldn’t be convinced by a photograph anyway. So the president has to weigh the potential negatives and they’re huge, there’s a tremendous risk of the photo becoming a rallying cry for attacks against US soldiers, government personnel, and Americans in general.”

    I’m struck by the obvious contradiction in this statement. If extremists would not be convinced by a photograph, where would the rallying cry for attacks against Americans come from? Would it come from average Muslims who we are told are peaceful and have nothing in common with extremists? Why would they hate us for killing Osama, unless they agree with his actions and consider him a Muslim hero? And why would the Obama administration want to give Osama a 45 minute Muslim burial at sea, if they really believed he did not represent Islam?

  10. canary

    Obama is using tactic of Islamphobia on American people, scare Americans that it might produce terrorism, just as Osama and extremist muslim use their religion to terrorize Americans.
    Hello, we saw thousands of times worse when 9/11 happened. The photo is tame in the 21st century.
    And to think Obama says tea partiers have Islamphobia.
    Just two twisted as I’m sure Obama pupils didn’t move. The photo’s might be the only thing to bring Obama to tears. snif snif. Osama bin Laden was just a rooster trying to rightfully nest.
    Obama has sought radicals and rebellious anti-American
    organizers his entire life. He wants the muslims to be radical only in a way that is beneficial to him. He needs the muslims vote, and he needs their vote. After all it’s the largest growing religion in the world. I’ve gone to seminars and the propaganda to convert people is powerful. Especially among white women who, I believe have mental problems and want to be domineered. Enjoy being servants to men, and enjoy the idea that this is how to get to heaven.
    Jesus did not want humans to be doormats.

  11. canary

    Usama Bin Laden walks into a bar.

    Sits down at one of the bar stools, with a tiny glass in front of him, he calls the bartender:

    “Hey, Infidel, can I get a shot?”

    Navy SEAL, standing next to him, “Sure thing, b*tch.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    What is Usama Bin Laden’s least favorite gun? ? ?

    The one that blew off the side of his head.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ****Cute Joke for Animal Lovers

    What’s Usama bin Laden’s least favorite animal?

    A Seal.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Here’s joke Canary made up (won’t hurt my feelings if you don’t laugh)

    Why did the Navy Seals first try every country to try and dump
    Usama Bin Laden’s body?

    Because the EPA was holding up permission to allow him to contaminate the water, and “Chicken of the Sea” caught wind and called Obama complaining he was stealing their trade-mark.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    What did Satan say to Bin Laden when he arrived?
    “You’re just in time! Tonight is Goat-F*cking Night!”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    *cute Osama funeral joke

    Have you heard about the Osama cocktail?

    Two shots and a dash of water!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  12. TerryAnne

    If we’re worried about retaliation…why are we annoucing that he was shot while unarmed?!?!?!

  13. Chase

    Seems to me that if in training the SEALs were told he might potentially be wearing a suicide vest, and if after several years of not seeing any likeness of him, that he looked slightly pudgier, they were told “shoot first, save your buddy’s life and your own,” that would be enough for anyone. We all know that Islam places lower value on life than Western civilization.

    • TerryAnne

      From a guy who spent the last however many years of his life telling young kids to strap bombs to their chest and blow their rears through their teeth for Allah…do you really think he’d have the cojones enough to wear a bomb himself?

    • Chase

      Nah, you are probably right, TerryAnne, I was giving he and the other child murderers for too much intestinal fortitude. This guy had 4 failed marriages, and had to have someone else pick out a child and send her to him so he would have something to do while hiding.

  14. canary

    Obama has told the U.S. and world to be on alert.
    Obama spent alot of time planning Osama’ funeral which litteraly asked allah to forgive him and let him live on and join allah.
    Obama wants you and the world to be afraid of Islams. That they can get in your face. High alert!
    Obama wants you to feel terror and be afraid of Islams. Give them what they want. Give them Sharia law in U.S.
    Obama wants America to be Islamphobia so muslims will vote for him. Especially now with such uprisings.


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