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Hasan Wanted His Patients Prosecuted

From ABC News:

A book sits on the kitchen table inside the apartment of Maj. Nidal Hasan in Killeen, Texas, Wednesday, Nov. 11, 2009.

Officials: Major Hasan Sought ‘War Crimes’ Prosecution of U.S. Soldiers

Rebuffed, Accused Fort Hood Shooter Took Extra Target Practice, Closed Bank Safety Deposit Box in Final Days, Investigators Say


Nov. 16, 2009 — Major Nidal Malik Hasan’s military superiors repeatedly ignored or rebuffed his efforts to open criminal prosecutions of soldiers he claimed had confessed to "war crimes" during psychiatric counseling, according to investigative reports circulated among federal law enforcement officials.

On Nov. 4, the day after his last attempt to raise the issue, he took extra target practice at Stan’s shooting range in nearby Florence, Texas and then closed a safe deposit box he had at a Bank of America branch in Killeen, according to the reports. A bank employee told investigators Hasan appeared nervous and said, "You’ll never see me again."

Diane Wagner, Bank of America’s senior vice president of media relations, said that her company does not "comment or discuss customer relationships" but is "cooperating fully with law enforcement officials."

Investigators believe Hasan’s frustration over the failure of the Army to pursue what he regarded as criminal acts by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan may have helped to trigger the shootings.

"The Army may not want to admit it, and you may not hear much about it, but it was very big for him," said one of the federal investigators on the task force collecting evidence of the crime.

His last effort to get the attention of military investigators came on Nov. 2, three days before his alleged shooting spree, according to the reports.

Colonel Anthony Febbo at Fort Hood reportedly told investigators he was twice contacted by Hasan, on Nov. 2 and a week earlier in October, about the question of whether he could legally provide information on "war crimes" he had learned in the course of psychiatric counseling he provided soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan….

His supervisor in the Department of Psychiatry, Captain Naomi Surman, told investigators that Hasan raised similar issues with her in conversations in October, according to documents reviewed by ABC News.

Captain Surman told investigators that Hasan had formally contacted military prosecutors to report patients he was evaluating, according to people briefed on the exchange. She said Hasan signed his e-mails with "Praise Be to Allah."

Captain Surman, who was scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan with Hasan on Nov. 2 told investigators that Hasan had both social and academic issues in his medical training. She said that on one occasion, Hasan told her she was an infidel who would be "ripped to shreds" and "burn in hell" because she was not Muslim

Employees at the shooting range where Hasan practiced just two days before the massacre told investigators that Hasan purchased ten separate targets and fired more than 200 rounds with his newly purchased semi-automatic pistol.

After buying the gun in August from a Killeen store called Guns Galore, Hasan later returned to purchase 13 separate ammunition magazines capable of holding up to 30 bullets each.

Store employees told investigators that they became suspicious of Hasan’s purchase of so many extra ammunition magazines. The employees said Hasan claimed he needed the extra magazines so he would not have to reload when he fired at the practice range.

Somehow most of the news coverage has failed to note what a terrible doctor Hasan must have been. Our soldiers had to go to the enemy with their terrible problems. And he wanted to prosecute them for ‘war crimes.’

For that reason alone, Mr. Hasan should have been cashiered a long time ago. He should have lost his license to practice, too.

But just wait. It won’t be long before Hasan is celebrated as a man who was acting in (ahem) good faith, and the Army is put on trial for refusing to prosecute his legitimate complaints about the illegal actions of our troops.

We will be told that Hasan had to take drastic action to draw attention to America’s crimes against humanity.

And of course some will believe it.

This article was posted by Steve on Tuesday, November 17th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

16 Responses to “Hasan Wanted His Patients Prosecuted”

  1. U NO HOO says:

    What if Obama had already decided and announced his decision to send troops to Afghanistan or decided to bring them all home. Could this shooting have been prevented?

    Just wondering.

    Obama, make a decision.

    • retire05 says:

      U NO HOO, in a word “no”.

      The shooter (piss be upon him) would have killed anyway. He was on his “personal” jihad. You see, that is what most uninformed Americans don’t understand. It would have made no difference. So now those on the left will make up new psychological disorder to explain away the fact that they have been telling us that the war on terror doesn’t really exist and that since ALL American Muslims are not going on mass killing sprees it proves that he was just one sick f&ck who went on a rampage. Remember, there are only “man-made disasters”, there are no terrorist attacks.

      The experts on Islam all say that at least 10% of Muslims have been radicalized. Taking that there are 5 million Muslims in American, that number of radicalized is 500,000. Even if we reduce that number to .1% what does that come to? 5000.

      We will be told that it is only the disenfranchised, the poor of ME nations, the downtrodden who are attracted to radical jihad. Yet, they will ignore the fact that the 19 hijackers were all education and many came from well-to-do families. Al Zawahiri, OBL’s second in command, it a physician.

      The shooter was a Muslim first, a Palenstinian second, and an American last. In the pecking order of loyalties, the nation he was born in came in last.

  2. Helena says:

    “His supervisor in the Department of Psychiatry, Captain Naomi Surman…”

    Is the military psychiatry dept. completely inept? I looked up Captain Surman and found that she is a brand new psychiatrist. Like one year. And she’s the supervisor?

  3. proreason says:

    The article is designed to pin 100% of the culpability on Hasan.

    I’ve heard that he wasn’t even allowed to “treat” combat veterans, only people who had not yet been in combat.

    There is a MASSIVE cover-up and mis-direction going on with this.

    Breitbart needs to begin his own investigation because while the criminals control the apparatus of government, the truth will never be known.

  4. Chuckk says:

    The military has been ruined by politics and pc. After 8 years, it can’t even kill a few thousand religious fanatics living in caves. Instead of an efficient fighting force we have trauma councilors who are themselves crazy. We have the Navy selling Christmas ornaments. And we have generals who are more concerned with not hurting the feelings of the enemy than with killing them.

    I wonder how many dollars we have spent per lunatic we have killed in Afghanistan? How many American lives per lunatic?

  5. canary says:

    Is this why Obama wants every soldier screened for PTSD so they can face the Obama Lynch Team. This propped leak will spread, and soldiers will be to fearful to ask for counseling. Will they add war crimes to Hasan’s charges if President won’t call Hasan’s attacks of terrorism.

    Sure, put’s mud on the propped colleague’s interviews saying Hasan was sweet and kind, and no problem was seen.

    • catie says:

      You’re right & they wonder why Soldiers don’t go for “the help they so desperately need”. They’re also surprised that so many military folks are committing suicide. They’re absolutely clueless.

  6. Petronius says:

    “Hasan had formally contacted military prosecutors to report patients he was evaluating ….” And he also contacted his superior officers. And he did so “repeatedly.”

    I have long suspected that, once universal government-run health care is implemented, doctor-patient confidentiality would be one of the first things to go.

    Then perhaps many if not all Americans can expect the same sort of Orwellian treatment from their government physician that our soldiers received from MAJ Hasan.

    After all, nobody in the Army chain seems to have taken steps to stop Hasan’s repeated professional misconduct. Rather, they just “ignored or rebuffed” his complaints about his patients.

    And in the meantime the Army’s patients were assigned to the tender mercies of Dr. Dracula for their care.

    Curiously, Hasan seems to have received greater confidentiality from Bank of America regarding his safe deposit box than he gave to his own patients. Thus “Diane Wagner, Bank of America’s senior vice president of media relations, said that her company does not ‘comment or discuss customer relationships’ ….”

    As Steve would say, isn’t irony ironic?

  7. MinnesotaRush says:

    “Hasan Wanted His Patients Prosecuted”

    Hmmm .. what goes around comes around, ay Doc.

    Course not if o-blah-blah gets his way.

  8. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Our country is in serious trouble when the defenders of our nation are too cowardly to act upon it’s troops exhibiting dangerous, treasonous behavior. Political Correctness has infected the ranks like gangrene on a broken leg. All Hasan needed for his inspiration was to simply look at how Obama was instructing the Dept. of Justice to try and imprison former Bush officials for their interrogation techniques of terror suspects, to realize he had nothing to fear for his outlandish remarks. Somewhere we’ve got to have a leader in the military who doesn’t give a damn about his pension, poll numbers, or political correctness. But who would rather go out and get the job done in fighting the enemy both foreign and domestic. And win decisively. Where is the Patton of our generation who espouses the winning of wars by making the other bastard die for his country/cause?

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      It’s a nice sentiment but I’m afraid you’re only going to find that in hollyweird. Vietnam gave us, among other things, the quintessential politician officer. In WWII, many actions of officers were overlooked if they continued to get the job done but after that, the military undertook a whole new line in promoting those officers who knew which fork was for the salad, etc.

      I’m not saying that there aren’t “nuts-and-bolts” type of officers but if they want to make the next rank, they keep their mouths shut and toe the line of the current commander, keeping their personal thoughts to themselves. It’s quite interesting to watch, really.

      Certain catch phrases and attitudes are most unbecoming as far I’m concerned but self-preservation in their careers is paramount over most anything. I watched it matriculate to the fullest in the 80’s and 90’s. Senior officers making complete fools of themselves and never standing up for what’s right when such a situation would arise. If they did, they were replaced in short order. We just called it “drinking the koolaide” as has become such a popular expression for many things.

      Unfortunately, even the most well-balanced, strongest leader types would not ever express any dismay, annoyance or other fraternally unpalatable emotion. Always with the “can-do” and “you bets” when some ridiculous program was undertaken. I’m not saying that the military is a bad place. My exposure was USAF. In the areas where it counted, getting bombs on target, air-to-air, delivering more cargo, etc….they know what the real deal is and they get it done.

      However, inside, during the inner-workings and career advancement, one can see some of the farce up close. For this reason, and pretty much this reason alone, I do not miss my military service. But then, I had jobs that most people really hated, including myself.

      Now, with all that said, regardless of what Obama says, the stars that be will NOT stand up and tell him he’s wrong. Just not gonna happen. Not if they want to keep their jobs and someday retire at a nice paygrade. They know that this administration is not military friendly and they know that going in to “brief the president” is all eyewash. It’s pathetic but it’s true. Reagan, and both Bush’s and to some extent even Bill-Jeff let the leaders of the military do the leading and kept their fingers our of it.

      This administration is the Johnson era revisited only now it’s on steroids and pissed. Any and all military leaders are pawns, and that makes the lower ranks below O-10 hogfeed. If I were to size it up, Barry wants a chief of staff that 1) makes him look good (above all esle), 2) that agrees with his “brilliance” and loves to talk about “RISK” (the game not the situation) and 3)who is at the same “intellectual level” as him…but only just…so he can talk down to him.

      If anyone has ever worked for a ditherer, you know what I mean. While you’re doing your job and operating in the confines of the rules and regulations of the company, he shows up at your cubicle/workstation and starts making suggestions. Even ones that are completely unethical and/or make no sense whatsoever. All you can do is nod your head and say, “yes, sir” and then, when he leaves, and you start doing as he said, your IMMEDIATE supervisor comes over and chastises you for doing it.

      It’s a tough place to be. But they actually believe themselves so utterly gifted, as does the boy, that there’s nothing they cannot understand given just a fraction of the information needed to comprehend fully. My admiration always went to the people who ran their own company, started at the very bottom, had the smarts and ability to work up and build something out of nothing. Wasn’t an area they didn’t know about. Such people are rare.

      I was a prior-enlisted guy…and as an officer I got a lot of crap for it…and not in a nice way. USAF doesn’t like “mavericks” as they used to call them because “Obviously, I don’t know my place”. But for much the same reason, they did away with the warrant officer program as, well, warrants don’t take a lot of crap from anyone. They are a hugely pragmatic bunch and somewhat individualistic. But the military doesn’t like new ideas, independent thought or individuality, to a certain degree.

      That is, if you are a subordinate, coming up with a new idea that makes your higher ups look stupid…you lose. If you allow the higher ups to THINK the new idea was theirs, they win, you lose again. It’s a funny world…a dysfunctional type of thing that actually functions. When everyone in the unit is of the same mind, that’s great. But I have seen a unit fall to crap the minute a new commander takes over and changes everything that works, in order to repave the highway and reinvent the wheel.

      Sorry for the long-winded post (again) but this is a subject that reaches right into my very core and has affected me personally. If I thought I saw pettiness and childish behavior as guy with stripes on my sleeves, I saw twice that from my “peers” when I had bars on my shoulders.

      To any and all who also served and have a much better memory, my hat’s off to you. I’m glad you had the good experience. Mine was….not-so-much.


    • proreason says:

      The thing that I could never forgive in my father was exactly what you describe to a tee. He was a long-time army guy but I’ve seen the same thing in civilian life, moreso in the upper ranks than at the bottom. Personally, I could never bring myself to lick a boot because of my old man, and it probably has cost me three fortunes in my life.

  9. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    RS, I don’t think your post was long winded but rather something you felt you needed to get off your chest. I would hardly say my 20 years in the Air Force were positive 24/7. The closer I approached retirement the more annoying the whole experience became and I found myself constantly losing patience over the stupidity and Political Correctness that I saw.

    Yes, you’re right, the Air Force doesn’t like mavericks who rock the boat. And it’s a known fact that the AF eats it’s own when it comes to non-conformists. I could go on about all the asinine things I saw in my last year but what I remember the most was my First Sergeant who had a hard on to send me to the Gulf of Oman for six months and then bring me back with only one month to get my affairs in order to retire. Thankfully my squadron C.O. had a lot of pull and said hell no and signed my papers for retirement.

    I know this only my perspective from the AF but I hear such stupidity has infected the ranks of the other military branches as well. And with such unbelievable stupidity there will always be other Major Hasan’s whose dangerous patterns of behavior will be swept under the rug of apathy until they lash out with deadly actions. Then the reply will be typical from the high muck-a-mucks: ‘Why didn’t somebody see this coming?’

    By the way, thanks for your service to our nation. It sounds like you put up with a lot more B.S. than I had to.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Well, I didn’t rock the boat. But I tried to do my job. Problem was, had a CO who thought my job was supposed to be something different. So much so that it created huge problems all the way around. Ended up with “no one to blame but me”, so to speak.

      My motivation ended up = 0
      Desire for promotion=same
      Desire to GTFO=100%

      Burned my uniform the day I separated. Happy as a clam.

  10. My guess is that there are more “Hasans” in our armed forces.. a disturbing thought..

    • ptat says:

      Yes, YES! It is imperative that the armed forces cleanse themselves immediately of ANYONE who is publicly suggesting that our side is evil, wrong and should be punished, that infidels need to be beheaded and have hot oil poured down their throats (isn’t the suggested order there backwards?), that they would”like to kill a lot of people in a mass murder” or telling everyone “you will never see me again”, etc. DUH!!

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