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HI (Re)Declares Obama Birth Cert Real

From the Associated Press:

Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real

State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

By JAYMES SONG

Tuesday, July 28, 2009

HONOLULU — State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama’s birthplace.

"I … have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

So-called "birthers" — who claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States — have grown more vocal recently on blogs and television news shows.

Fukino issued a similar press release Oct. 31, but was prompted to speak out again because of the renewed attention on Obama’s beginnings. Hawaii’s Health Department has been flooded in recent weeks with questions from individuals and several national TV news networks asking for proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

"They just keep asking over and over and over again," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said…

However, Obama’s birth certificate along with birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers were brought forward even before he took office. But that’s done nothing to shake the belief by many Obama critics that the president was born abroad.

We hope this puts this nonsense to rest.

For the record, we are reasonably sure we were the first to coin the term ‘birther.’ Though, to be fair, it is a pretty obvious joke.

But any story that is promoted by the likes of Larry “Crazy” Johnson, who is a Democrat operative, should be considered nonsense on the face of it.

(Thanks to BillK for the heads up.)

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Tuesday, July 28th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

35 Responses to “HI (Re)Declares Obama Birth Cert Real”

  1. BillK

    If the New York TImes is dispelling something, then it must be true.

    From the Treason Times:

    On Television and Radio, Talk of Obama’s Citizenship

    By Brian Stelter

    The conspiracy theorists who have claimed for more than a year that President Obama is not a United States citizen have found receptive ears among some mainstream media figures in recent weeks.

    Despite ample evidence to the contrary, the country’s most popular talk radio host, Rush Limbaugh, told his listeners Tuesday that Mr. Obama “has yet to have to prove that he’s a citizen.” Lou Dobbs of CNN said that Mr. Obama should do more to dispel the claims. Larry King, also of CNN, asked guests about it, and other media types, including the MSNBC hosts Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow, merrily mocked the controversy. NBC News even did a segment on the subject.

    Cable news is often stretched for news in the summertime, but the birth certificate case has been fueled by the combustible combination of luck, compelling video, an outlandish topic, and savvy activists.

    Advocates of the issue, who are sometimes called birthers, have succeeded in calling attention to themselves through frequent calls to talk radio shows, e-mail messages to news organizations and a videotaped question at a Congressional town hall. The Associated Press said that Mr. Obama’s citizenship status had been one of the most popular topics for the wire service’s “Ask AP” column.

    Mr. Dobbs, who also hosts a daily radio show, said on CNN that he is “getting calls now. Often.”

    The conspiracy theory that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, his father’s home, first took root among some elements of the right wing last year. In response, the Obama campaign scanned the candidate’s “certification of live birth” from Hawaii’s department of health and published it on the Internet. It confirms that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. Numerous third parties have examined the birth certificate and concluded, as the Annenberg Center’s nonpartisan FactCheck.org Web site did last year, that it “meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.”

    In an e-mail message to Mr. Dobbs’ producers on Thursday, Jon Klein, the president of CNN/U.S., wrote that “it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”

    In an interview Friday, Mr. Klein said the e-mail message should not be interpreted as an order to stop debating the subject. He defended Mr. Dobbs’ broadcast, saying that “what we do here all the time is dig into the truth about all kinds of controversial issues.”

    This smear was thoroughly debunked during the election,” said Eric Burns, the president of Media Matters for America, a liberal media monitoring organization.

    Remarkably, there is even a reference to Mr. Obama’s birth in the “Births, Marriages, Deaths” column of The Honolulu Advertiser newspaper on Aug. 13, 1961. Still, the claims about Mr. Obama’s citizenship persist among a small but vocal group, essentially portraying Mr. Obama as a foreigner who has managed to conceal his origins for nearly five decades.

    “It’s racist,” said Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC. “It’s racist. Just call it for what it is.”

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nyti.....tizenship/

    Ah, there you go.

    To question the Chosen One’s place of birth is, on its face, racist.

    Why thank you, MSNBC, we’d never have known.

    Because I guess there are no whites born outside our borders either for which this would be an issue (like oh, say, McCain, about whom questions were also raised?)

    Of course MSNBC is doing their part:

    A number of MSNBC shows have covered the birthers’ claims in recent days, mostly in mocking tones. On “Hardball” Thursday evening, the radio talk show host G. Gordon Liddy asserted that Mr. Obama may be an “illegal alien,” leading the host Chris Matthews to hand Mr. Liddy a photocopy of the birth certificate.

    Yet these same media outlets give untold amounts of media time to 9/11 “truthers.” Hmmm.

    • Numerous third parties have examined the birth certificate and concluded, as the Annenberg Center’s nonpartisan FactCheck.org Web site did last year, that it “meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.”

      At issue is if its authentic, of which a photocopy of anything in the legal realm is not authentic hence the reason for raised seal, signature guarantee, etc.

      Next time anyone is applying for your passport – show up with photocopies of your documents and see how far you get.

  2. Steve

    Obama provided an image of his birth certificate. But the cranks (whom I suspect to be largely Democrat operatives, like Larry Johnson) declared it a fake because the image had noise.

    Which is what you get whenever you upload an image to the internet.

    But these are the same kind of ‘experts’ who authoritatively declared the photos of Obama in ‘Muslim garb’ were photo-shopped.

    By the way, I think I coined the term ‘birthers’ on this very site.

  3. Melly

    I am not a “birther” per se. However I do believe Barry’s original BC reveals something that Barry is trying to keep secret. It is unquestionable that Barry is a citizen. I do question who his biological Father is. Is it the Kenyan Obama we are all led to believe or is it Frank Marshall Davis (poet/communist) whom Barry reminisces about vaguely in “Dreams of my Father.” They are many websites dedicated to this theory. I haven’t needed to look at any of them. I was convinced by printing out a photograph of Barry, Mr. Obama the Kenyan and Frank Marshall Davis. I presented the three photos to an unsuspecting friend without identifying the two men. All I said to my friend was: “Who’s his Daddy?” Emphatically my friend said Davis based on the physical similarities. Yes – it is not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination – but sometimes you gotta go by your gut. My gut tells me that Barry’s biological Father is Frank Marshall Davis.

    So I guess I am a member of the “Who’s your Daddy” group or a WYD. :-) or a more cleverly named group that Steve will come up with.

    • curvyred

      The issue I have with all of it, is the amount of money that has been spent to protect release of the document – that just does not make sense to me on a very basic level.

    • jobeth

      Curvy…Not only the $$ spent to protect and silence this document (BC) but add to that all the time, $$ and pressure gone into keeping all his other papers under wraps, such as his regular school, College and university papers. Where are they? They should be published…but aren’t. NOTHING that is in his background that would give us more insight on his birth or his background is available.

      Is it any wonder why people are suspicious. Has there ever been a president who has had so much of his background hidden?

      Dr Fukino said,

      “I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

      Even HE is afraid to say anything that may trip up the story that he has been directed to espouse (my contention)

      This would be so easy to end…Show the BC and all other school papers and the story stops. WHY won’t he…ummm…? I think we can suspect something is afoul here.

      I personally don’t know…but I do have an opinion and it won’t change until he cooperates and clears this matter up by ‘transparency” in his records.

      BTW…I’ve never seen a “transparency” so opaque as this president’s definition, both in this subject and his administration!

      Evil..pure evil…!

    • U NO HOO

      I suggest that the provided “Certification of Live Birth” is “legally valid.” An embossment doesn’t show well in a scan or copy. But Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino doesn’t address such things, This keeps the mystery alive. So much for transparency.

      If Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii Hillary would have told us. I see no reason for her to cover up a fact that would disqualify her arch rival. Hardly a reason to secure the Secretay of State position.

      The original birth certificate probably would be embarassing to Obama as would his scholastic records. Maybe his dad isn’t his dad, maybe there are comments on his birth certificate, comments derogatory to his father’s race.

      The absence of so many of Obama’s records, records that I would never hesitate to produce, and I was not number one in any of my classes, makes things curiouser and curiouser.

      Beck is on bye.

    • proreason

      good thoughts, u no

    • Steve

      “The issue I have with all of it, is the amount of money that has been spent to protect release of the document – that just does not make sense to me on a very basic level.”

      I’ve seen this claim asserted numerous times, but I have never seen any evidence that it is true.

  4. Steve

    “I presented the three photos to an unsuspecting friend without identifying the two men.”

    All of these sites forget that Mr. Obama had two grandfathers.

    He looks very much like his white grandfather. Except for his skin tone.

  5. Melly

    “He looks very much like his white grandfather. Except for his skin tone.”

    Hi Steve – I concede Barry had a white Grandfather. I don’t doubt he resembles his white Maternal Grandfather. I just looked up a photo of his white Grandfather – the ears don’t match at all, etc.

    Just going by my gut.

    I think the birthers were way off base and played right into Barry’s hands.

  6. Liberals Demise

    WHEW!!!!
    Glad that’s over!! Now can we get back to the sermons that Rev. Wright preached and Obama never paid any attention to but it appears that some of them slipped through subliminally.
    Seems a lot voters are finding out that they voted for a racist gangsta with no viable birth rights!

  7. 4rgrls

    My problem with the birth issue is the secrecy involved. We’re not allowed to know his birth hospital, the attending doctor, etc. I also don’t like a state official basically saying “trust me.” I think it’s dangerous when we get to a point where our government wants us to go on blind trust. I say “trust but verify.” He is also very secretive with his college records. He claims transparency without ever actually being transparent. He may technically be a citizen, but in his heart he is not, and that is the real problem.

  8. GetBackJack

    My attorney, a former judge in the State of Texas, looked at the Certificate and laughed out loud.

    “Where’s the embossed seal? This doesn’t mean (bad word). Without the official State Seal embossed, this document in a court of law is considered an attempt to present misleading evidence. ‘Cause, that thing ain’t official. Show me the official seal and I’ll believe it.”

    Case closed.

    Except for, I don’t know … lots and lots of evidence indicating Barry Otero is not a native-born citizen. In any legal case, this is what we have Courts of Law for. To examine evidence and render judgement based on that evidence. My suspicions don’t mean diddly next to evidence examined in a Court of Law. Your suspicions don’t mean diddly next to evidence in a Court of Law.

    Good thing Justice John Roberts has all of Orly Taitz evidence in hand.

  9. proreason

    Well when a beaurocrat from one of the most ultra-liberal states speaks, that’s enough for me.

    There’s nobody I trust more than a Democratic state official.

  10. Consilience

    If we observe the president’s actions and associations we find, without doubt, that he is anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-Liberty. I believe the standard of proof for his BC should be the same as mine when I joined the military/got a passport—so far, he hasn’t ponied up…which gives rise to questions. (His policies and associations give credence to notions that he’s an impostor.)

  11. wardmama4

    Ok – SG I know how you feel on this issue – and everyone has their right to their own opinion – but as pointed out here:

    McCain had to be vetted by the Senate – but not Obama – as he presented an electronic copy of a certificate of live birth – not a birth certificate. (Yes, my daughter who was born in CA has the same thing – however we have two raised seal copies too) – as pointed out – try getting a passport with that worthless document.

    We are supposed to take the word of a (D) state official – without being able to see a raised seal copy at all ever.

    In one account (here, somewhere else) HI defends the electronic copy as – we went tech in 2001 and so there are no longer ‘long form’ copies to have – but from this – ‘I . . . have seen the original vital records maintained on file’ – So explain someone which is it – and why can’t the American people or even perhaps someone not a (D) could see it (Attorney Taitz, has agreed to an in camera view) If someone other than a (D) viewed the records – I think that this could be put to rest.

    And the point – what is he so secretive about? Why? That all leads to this whole issue – Mr Transparency isn’t. At. All.

  12. catherine t.

    Odie 44 and ‘all': There are ‘threads’ here to follow; pull only one; and you get only part of the picture. . Here are but a few threads; a few clues if you will; by way of ‘google’ search, which might enlarge the debate as to why the Obama BC story persists.

    George Soros | Voting TruthPosts Tagged ‘George Soros’. Voting for Barack Obama. Saturday, October 25th, 2008 … Obama The New Black Panthers Obama Chicago Annenberg Challenge …
    votingtruth.com/tag/george-soros/ – Cached – Similar

    American Thinker: Soros plays games with the factcheck websiteGeorge Soros seems to have pulled a pretty interesting fast one, following Tuesday’s vice—presidential debate. … FactCheck.org — Annenberg Political Fact Check … Ode to the one single payer system (updated) · Obama’s appalling …
    http://www.americanthinker.com.....e_fac.html – Cached – Similar

    Obama–Ayers–Chicago Annenberg Challenge–ACORN–Radical Socialists …1995 Ayers makes Obama Chairman of Annenberg Challenge ….. George Soros – One of the most powerful men on earth, New York hedge fund manager George Soros …
    raymondpronk.wordpress.com/…/obama-ayers-chicago-annenberg-challenge-radical-socialists-terrorist-bombers-videos/ – Cached – Similar

    Obama’s birth certificate on Yedda – People. Sharing. Knowledge.Brooks was also a lawyer for Soros’ Open Societities Institute, which in turn is ….In 2001, Obama and Ayers were still members of the Chicago Annenberg …
    yedda.com/…/Obamas…obama…/answer273083781913258 – Cached – Similar

    Pajamas Media » Obama, Ayers, and the Annenberg Challenge Cover-UpAnnenberg gave the Ayers/Obama foundation a half million dollars to spread …… Huffington, How to take down a government lover of Soros and infamous …
    pajamasmedia.com/…/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/ – Cached – Similar

  13. suek

    Guess I’m a “birther”.

    This statement of the health official takes no recognition of the fact that at the time of O’s birth, there were two forms – one which certified birth in the state of Hawaii which required the signature of the attending physician or midwife, and a second one that was issued upon request by the family stating that the baby was born of a woman who had been a citizen of Hawaii for at least one year prior to the infant’s birth. We don’t know which of these was issued for Obama. We do know that his birth was not recorded by any hospital in Hawaii.

    We also know that his younger sister was born in Indonesia, and she too has a Hawaiian birth certificate. How did that come about???

  14. bronzeprofessor

    I am not one to join most conspiracy theories, and I do not have a specific “theory” about this birth certificate.

    but…

    I just went through a ton of hoops to get into the US Army, and I had to produce an original birth certificate. I could not have gotten into the Army, let alone gotten my security clearance, with the caliber of document Obama posted online.

    Whether or not people think the “birthers” are crazy — I am undecided about them as a group — I think the most respectful thing to do, as a political leader, would be to submit yourself to the same scrutiny that you expect your soldiers and servants to submit to.

    If the Hawaii official has seen the original birth certificate, then one exists, and Obama has access to it, and could publish it.

    If he published it (even if he feels like the people asking him to show it are motivated by racism), this would all be put to rest and Obama would present himself as an upstanding leader willing to reveal important things about himself.

    Right now Obama is playing a game and, I think, making the wrong choice. Instead of having a bureaucrat in Hawaii tell the Republican governor he’s seen it, and then having the governor vouch for it, just publish it.

    Unlike other wacky conspiracy theories, I do think this theory/controversy would die quickly after the publication of a real birth certificate. The “birthers” I have come across are not the same as people who thought Bush planned 9/11. They strike me as people who aren’t necessarily convinced Obama was born in Kenya; rather, they just want their President to release the same document any American citizen would have to release to get a high – security job. That’s a fair request and it’s unfair to dismiss it.

    • Melly

      They said that the State of Hawaii no longer has Barry’s original BC (uh, convenient) – makes you wonder what “vital records” the Health Director was referring to.

      Now you all know that Barry has certified copies of his original BC. Why not present a copy of that rather then the birth announcement pictured above?

      If there is much a do about nothing then why are liberals so exercised over this. Here’s a clip of Lou Dobbs discussing the BC (keep in mind he believes that Barry is a citizen of the USA): The other side is pretty hot under the collar over an allegedly specious assertion. And I’m not even a bonafide birther.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    • bronzeprofessor

      “If there is much a do about nothing then why are liberals so exercised over this?”

      Melly, you are hitting at the main issue here. In the beginning, Obama had a lot of credibility and “birthers” could be dismissed as wackos. Many of them, at the onset, were. Ergo, the disavowals from Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, John Hawkins, and many conservatives.

      Now, Obama is performing on a very different kind of stage. Some of his actions have eroded people’s faith in what he says at face value. Not only the birth certificate, but lots of other documents or other “proofs” of his word are now being scrutinized more closely.

      At the beginning, I thought “birthers” were just clowns and sideshow freaks. But now my position has changed; I come across many people who are normal, not racist, just dedicated to a democratic belief that the commander in chief should be one of us and defer to the same rituals. I have to show a social security card to get a job; I can’t submit a note from some unknown bureaucrat promising that the card exists and ought we just treat some makeshift impromptu certificate as commensurate with the real thing — so my president should undergo the same kind of above-board honesty. That’s “transparency.”

      If I had gone to the Army board with a “certification of live birth” and a statement from a clerk in Hawaii saying “I’ve seen the original,” the board would say, “okay come back with the original and we will hold a hearing. Until then, no hearing.”

      I would not be able to say, “Are you calling me a liar?” and act outraged. I would not be able to say, “But do you know who I am?” and guilt the board into reviewing me with unacceptable documentation.

      For me, this issue has now moved from a freak show status to something real and substantive, because it finally struck me that the President is the Commander in Chief. He sits at the top of the food chain of which I am at the lowest rung. How can he lead all these troops if he is not deferring to the same standards of transparency and self-disclosure?

      Legally, I am bound to serve the President. And I will — with all my heart. Legally, he is not bound to disclose his original birth certificate. But “legally” isn’t good enough for a Soldier who may face life or death for his country. There is something greater than the law — call it decency, good faith, what have you.

      I have respect for Barack Obama and am willing to serve under him. I simply feel that he should come forward with the real birth certificate as a gesture — a voluntary, not a legally binding gesture — that shows his military men and women that he’s not hiding anything from us, that he cares about us, that he is one of us and willing to make sacrifices and suffer annoyances we suffer.

      Absent that gesture, there is a crucial thread that begins to get frayed.

    • proreason

      He will never release the original birth certificate because he can use it to whip his side into a frenzy whenever he needs to…..with the full cooperation of the hollow-cheeked media who are thrilled to wave facimiles in the air and declare reasonable people to be kooks.

      It’s a great political tool for him. So great, it’s probably a deliberate strategy.

      Everybody is correct in saying he should do the right thing.

      But hey, it’s Obama, the greatest crook and conman to ever arise in America. This is a mico-dot compared to the crimes the creature has committed and intends to commit.

      So it isn’t worth much energy.

      And besided, there is always the chance that the ceritificate is on the up and up, which would give the Moron the opportunity to bring it out and send the Media into an inter-galactic orgasmic frenzy.

    • catie

      Bobby, you’re so right about the birth certificate “certificate of live birth” and going into the service. My son has a “certificate of live birth” as his original has been sealed due to his adoption. I’m running around in circles trying to get this kid registered for school. They aren’t accepting it, so once again I have to call Hawaii and get a “certification” from these people. This is nuts. My husband and I guess to an extent myself, have dreams of sending this kid to a Service Academy when he goes off to college. Are we going to have to continue to go through this again.

  15. canary

    mine looks totally different, and foot prints. I think that since you can not have duel citizenship in Indonesia, and his step-father adopted him, that prehaps there may be a mess up there. And prehaps as an International student the “strings” Obama claims were pulled to get him into the elite
    Hawaii prep school. His mother telling him he could go to any college in the country despite of grades, might be because he was still an Indonesia citizen. Just as both his foreign born father’s were able to get in. His biological father who I don’t think he looks like, was not all that educated when he left mother and son, and transferred to Harvard. Also, Occidental a private college free, before going to Columbia free, may have been under the impression he was Indonesian citizen. Obama said he hung out with the foriegn student. But, to say people questioning is not racist, it’s about trusting a self-proclaimed socialist with a socialist agenda, that know one knew, who came from a corrupt state of politicans..

  16. suek

    Here’s a very good explanation about the different types of Hawaiian birth certificates, and why the statement may – or may not mean diddly squat…

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

  17. suek

    Here’s another one…equally interesting…

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f.....eId=105090

  18. suek

    Oops…looks like that last link was only correct for a brief period! Correction…

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2756

  19. Colonel1961

    I am bewildered by the entire episode. Even if there is no birth certificate and he were born in Kenya, he wouldn’t be removed by Congress – it just wouldn’t happen. Based on the evidence I’ve seen (comparative scans, etc.) it looks like the released version is ersatz – Photoshopped. As for the word of the state poobah: who gives a damn – meaningless! My brother was born in Hawaii (1957) and his birth certificate is entirely different (long-form) yet from the same era. Everything about this guy is fake. And we’re stuck with him…

  20. BigOil

    Our Constitution is a legal document. It states simply that the president must be a natural born citizen of the United States.

    If the burden of proof on the leader of our country – the person at the highest level sworn to protect and defend our Constitution – is a document of live birth without a single signature…then our Constitution is trivialized.

    It is telling to me how far removed we are from following the Constitution when asking for proof it is being adhered to labels you a nutjob birther.

  21. BillK

    The most disturbing thing in all of this is the fact the court cases to compel disclosure of the birth certificate were not dismissed for other reasons, but because those bringing suit “lacked standing” to do so.

    This means that even if we found Obama to not be qualified per the Constitution, normal Americans could not bring suit to dispute it.

  22. canary

    Strange, in dreams book’s preface Obama says his mother traveled and worked in “Africa” as well as Indonesia. The latter being his focus in his pre-campaign hope.

  23. wardmama4

    The whole point of this issue is that the Senate did not do an equal and objective vetting of Senator Obama that it did of Senator McCain. -‘none of the Senators objected to the fact that Obama’s Natural Born Citizenship requirement, was not verified, during the Election process’- which is a Constitutional requirement. That is what this is about, the NBC status of a POTUS is a Constitutional issue and as such is where my concern comes in.

    A Certification of Birth is not a Birth Certificate – as my older daughter has a CB (which is what one is now sent from CA) but was required (as BronzeP stated) to have a Birth Certificate (long form) to join the Marines. We were lucky in that we had had a good financial guy while living in CA and had secured two raised seal copies of all our children’s BCs – so we had it.

    My youngest daughter is in the position of Senator McCain – in that she was born overseas – her BC is German (no option, that is where she was born, not even in an American hospital abroad) – but we have the raised seal DD form to get the Certification of an American Citizen Born Abroad – which is also raised seal. So in certain cases (such as a Passport) she would have to provide all three.

    The difference between the two issues (Senator Obama & Senator McCain) is that both of McCain’s parents were American citizens, over the age of 21 and were on legal ‘American soil’ (which is what foreign military bases are considered) at the time of his birth. Senator Obama had only one American citizen parent and she was not legally eligible to confer citizenship (she was 18 at the time of his birth, in 1961 the law read 19 years of continuous US residency) – which is also another possible bug in his NBC status.

    My point is that this is a Constitutional issue of grave import – not some petty loons out on a crazy train.

    And if the Senate had demanded the same vetting of Senator Obama that it required of Senator McCain – this would not be an issue now nor possibly force a Constitutional Crisis.

    Sorry – but I come down on the side of the Constitution every single time – it is just that simple – prove it or step aside now.

    What is so damn loony about that?

  24. wardmama4

    The story just doesn’t go away – and the arguments for -Just Present the Raised Seal, Long Form Birth Certificate take even deeper and more important venues. If I was a (D) – I indeed would be calling everyone ‘birthers’, crazy and idiots – too bad there is no legal proof nor the courage to actually put this issue to end – at all.

    Obama’s birth debate: It’s about loyalty
    By James Lewis

    The birth debate about Obama is real enough, but it is legally complicated, as analyzed by legal beagle Andrew McCarthy at National Review. No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president. I’m sorry, but that’s the practical reality. The judge is going to follow stare decisis — the sheer weight of commitments that cannot be reversed without creating chaos. Once the political system of the United States, the voters, the media, and the politicians themselves are all committed to the proposition that Obama is president, trying to reverse it would mean riots in every city in the nation. At some point even debatable claims become irreversible. That is why Al Franken is now the US Senator from Minnesota, even if his election was corrupt and wrong. It’s water under the bridge. Leave it to history.

    http://tinyurl.com/njf3wp

    Read the comments.

    As I said earlier – I come down on the side of the Constitution every time – Present the Raised Seal, Long Form Birth Certificate or step aside. His very presence as POTUS is an affront to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, every previous President, every American citizen, every voter and most importantly to every single American citizen and wanna-be citizen who died in Uniform of Service to America.

    Call me a birther, call me crazy – call me whatever – I’m sure our Founding Fathers heard the same things and worse. I will be in good company.

    The enemy has already been defeated, he has no power over us. His only power over us is if we believe his lies


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