Obama’s birth debate: It’s about loyalty
By James Lewis

The birth debate about Obama is real enough, but it is legally complicated, as analyzed by legal beagle Andrew McCarthy at National Review. No judge is going to question the Constitutional qualifications of an elected president. I’m sorry, but that’s the practical reality. The judge is going to follow stare decisis — the sheer weight of commitments that cannot be reversed without creating chaos. Once the political system of the United States, the voters, the media, and the politicians themselves are all committed to the proposition that Obama is president, trying to reverse it would mean riots in every city in the nation. At some point even debatable claims become irreversible. That is why Al Franken is now the US Senator from Minnesota, even if his election was corrupt and wrong. It’s water under the bridge. Leave it to history.

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As I said earlier – I come down on the side of the Constitution every time – Present the Raised Seal, Long Form Birth Certificate or step aside. His very presence as POTUS is an affront to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, every previous President, every American citizen, every voter and most importantly to every single American citizen and wanna-be citizen who died in Uniform of Service to America.

Call me a birther, call me crazy – call me whatever – I’m sure our Founding Fathers heard the same things and worse. I will be in good company.

The enemy has already been defeated, he has no power over us. His only power over us is if we believe his lies

A Certification of Birth is not a Birth Certificate – as my older daughter has a CB (which is what one is now sent from CA) but was required (as BronzeP stated) to have a Birth Certificate (long form) to join the Marines. We were lucky in that we had had a good financial guy while living in CA and had secured two raised seal copies of all our children’s BCs – so we had it.

My youngest daughter is in the position of Senator McCain – in that she was born overseas – her BC is German (no option, that is where she was born, not even in an American hospital abroad) – but we have the raised seal DD form to get the Certification of an American Citizen Born Abroad – which is also raised seal. So in certain cases (such as a Passport) she would have to provide all three.

The difference between the two issues (Senator Obama & Senator McCain) is that both of McCain’s parents were American citizens, over the age of 21 and were on legal ‘American soil’ (which is what foreign military bases are considered) at the time of his birth. Senator Obama had only one American citizen parent and she was not legally eligible to confer citizenship (she was 18 at the time of his birth, in 1961 the law read 19 years of continuous US residency) – which is also another possible bug in his NBC status.

My point is that this is a Constitutional issue of grave import – not some petty loons out on a crazy train.

And if the Senate had demanded the same vetting of Senator Obama that it required of Senator McCain – this would not be an issue now nor possibly force a Constitutional Crisis.

Sorry – but I come down on the side of the Constitution every single time – it is just that simple – prove it or step aside now.

What is so damn loony about that?

This means that even if we found Obama to not be qualified per the Constitution, normal Americans could not bring suit to dispute it.

If the burden of proof on the leader of our country – the person at the highest level sworn to protect and defend our Constitution – is a document of live birth without a single signature…then our Constitution is trivialized.

It is telling to me how far removed we are from following the Constitution when asking for proof it is being adhered to labels you a nutjob birther.

It’s a great political tool for him. So great, it’s probably a deliberate strategy.

Everybody is correct in saying he should do the right thing.

But hey, it’s Obama, the greatest crook and conman to ever arise in America. This is a mico-dot compared to the crimes the creature has committed and intends to commit.

So it isn’t worth much energy.

And besided, there is always the chance that the ceritificate is on the up and up, which would give the Moron the opportunity to bring it out and send the Media into an inter-galactic orgasmic frenzy.

Melly, you are hitting at the main issue here. In the beginning, Obama had a lot of credibility and “birthers” could be dismissed as wackos. Many of them, at the onset, were. Ergo, the disavowals from Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, John Hawkins, and many conservatives.

Now, Obama is performing on a very different kind of stage. Some of his actions have eroded people’s faith in what he says at face value. Not only the birth certificate, but lots of other documents or other “proofs” of his word are now being scrutinized more closely.

At the beginning, I thought “birthers” were just clowns and sideshow freaks. But now my position has changed; I come across many people who are normal, not racist, just dedicated to a democratic belief that the commander in chief should be one of us and defer to the same rituals. I have to show a social security card to get a job; I can’t submit a note from some unknown bureaucrat promising that the card exists and ought we just treat some makeshift impromptu certificate as commensurate with the real thing — so my president should undergo the same kind of above-board honesty. That’s “transparency.”

If I had gone to the Army board with a “certification of live birth” and a statement from a clerk in Hawaii saying “I’ve seen the original,” the board would say, “okay come back with the original and we will hold a hearing. Until then, no hearing.”

I would not be able to say, “Are you calling me a liar?” and act outraged. I would not be able to say, “But do you know who I am?” and guilt the board into reviewing me with unacceptable documentation.

For me, this issue has now moved from a freak show status to something real and substantive, because it finally struck me that the President is the Commander in Chief. He sits at the top of the food chain of which I am at the lowest rung. How can he lead all these troops if he is not deferring to the same standards of transparency and self-disclosure?

Legally, I am bound to serve the President. And I will — with all my heart. Legally, he is not bound to disclose his original birth certificate. But “legally” isn’t good enough for a Soldier who may face life or death for his country. There is something greater than the law — call it decency, good faith, what have you.

I have respect for Barack Obama and am willing to serve under him. I simply feel that he should come forward with the real birth certificate as a gesture — a voluntary, not a legally binding gesture — that shows his military men and women that he’s not hiding anything from us, that he cares about us, that he is one of us and willing to make sacrifices and suffer annoyances we suffer.

Absent that gesture, there is a crucial thread that begins to get frayed.

I’ve seen this claim asserted numerous times, but I have never seen any evidence that it is true.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2756

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f.....eId=105090

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

Now you all know that Barry has certified copies of his original BC. Why not present a copy of that rather then the birth announcement pictured above?

If there is much a do about nothing then why are liberals so exercised over this. Here’s a clip of Lou Dobbs discussing the BC (keep in mind he believes that Barry is a citizen of the USA): The other side is pretty hot under the collar over an allegedly specious assertion. And I’m not even a bonafide birther.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded