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Iraqis Refuse US Access To Al-Baghdadi

From a gladdened Washington Post:

U.S. Says Iraq Is Withholding Key Detainee

By Ernesto Londoño
Saturday, May 2, 2009

BAGHDAD, May 1 — U.S. military officials said Friday that the Iraqi government has not allowed them to interrogate a detainee the Iraqis contend is the leader of the Sunni insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Iraqi officials have identified the suspect, who was taken into custody April 23, as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Some U.S. intelligence officials view Baghdadi as a fictional figure created by non-Iraqi Arab leaders of the insurgent group to give it an Iraqi identity.

"We have not had any access to him," Maj. Gen. David G. Perkins, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said Friday. "We are in discussions with the Iraqis to determine how we can confirm or deny who he is."

Iraqis have hailed the arrest, which they say was carried out with no assistance from U.S. troops, as a testament to their readiness to take control of security as the U.S. military starts withdrawing from urban areas. Civilian and U.S. military deaths have spiked as U.S. troops have begun closing inner-city outposts to meet a June 30 deadline Iraqi officials set as part of a bilateral agreement.

Two Marines and a sailor were killed Thursday in Anbar province, in western Iraq, the U.S. military announced Friday, making April the deadliest month for U.S. troops in Iraq since September

The latest installment in the ‘what miserable ingrates these Iraqis are’ series.

Moreover, as the article notes, Mr. Al-Baghdadi has long been thought to be a creation of Iran and its allies in Iraq and of course in our watchdog media.

He is said to be the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, which the US military and intelligence services claim does not exist.

Meanwhile, the Iranians, and their stooges in our media and in Iraq, like to talk about him out to prove that Iraq was not being infiltrated by foreign Al Qaeda forces.

And now the Iraqis refusal to allow any US access to this bravo only reinforces that hypothesis.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, May 2nd, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

17 Responses to “Iraqis Refuse US Access To Al-Baghdadi”

  1. proreason says:

    A million Iraqis will die within the next few years if the U.S. leaves, and it looks like we will.

    But they have been taught for millenia not to think. Only their overseers are allowed to think (the same direction the U.S. is moving in, btw).

    No doubt, the current overseers think they will be able to escape. But they won’t. They will die praying for a death as gentle as Sadaam’s.

  2. Liberals Demise says:

    The Iraqis’ don’t buy into this “gentler, kinder BS” the pantie waist libtards foist upon us All American Tea Party Veteran Right Wing Extremest!!
    Personally….I hope he is missing a eye and has to learn to hold himself with is unbroken hand!!

  3. Howard Roark says:

    How can you respect a people so mired in their tribal warring? Our Western men and women have sacrificed all to give them free elections, life without a monstrous dictator, rebuilt infrastructure…and all they can do is pray for the chance to kill Sunnis and Shi’a as soon as we’re gone.

    Our job there is done. It is time to come home. I hope we keep a base there in the far-west province of Iraq just in case we need to respond somewhere in the Middle East in the future, but otherwise…these people are just too backward to realize the gift we’ve given them. Our fighting men and women should forever hold their head high.

    I salute President Bush and VP Cheney for executing the best show of military readiness to face down any future jihadists who dare to cross our path again. If it had just been left to the example of Bill Clinton, who fired feckless missile after missile at the problem, we would have faced a continued onslaught from these stone age idiots after 911. At least now, the barbarians will have a good example of what we’re capable of doing to their precious Mecca if they ever try us again.

    • proreason says:

      Howard, if we still had an adult in the White House, I would say that we should stay and provide the iron backstop that could give that country another 10 years to get its act togerther.

      But with OLenin at the helm of the Titanic, I agree with you that we should get out and save as many U.S. lives as possible. As LD says, the jelly bone in OLenin’s back would prevent him from doing anything but vacillate, even if his primary goal was something other than undoing every good act the U.S. has ever done.

      But it’s a sad thing to contemplate the heroes that gave their lives for something they thought we would stick with. Exactly parallel to the CIA and FBI operatives who saved thousands of lives by interrogating the monsters. A tragicly wasted effort.

      Anybody contemplating national service in this country at this point in time should give it a very deep think. You could save the criminal politicians lives and have them turn on you in a flash to put a higher grade of jelly on their bread.

    • canary says:

      I understand how you feel. It’s just real complicated and complex. Obama has let terrorists spread worse than ever. Every war civilians die. It’s wretching, but it’s just the way it is. These middle-eastern monsters, kill and mutilate their own people in higher numbers that American soldiers. And the soldiers are fighting for the civilians lives over there, losing their own. Or they’d be complaining. I don’t think our soldiers know whats going on at home, and don’t think it’s good for their moral. I know they want to finish the job. And everyone of them are hero’s. Most I’ve talked to still finding out, they enlisted for more years than they thought. Recruiters are so good at leaving the inactive years they follow. It’s not one year tours, two year tours. These guys are signing up for 6 and 8 year contracts. And Obama behind their backs, talks about if in two years if health care doesn’t pass, the vets will lose their benefits. No National parks, Green won’t happen. Free education won’t happen.
      His talk without a teleprompter to our children. If he doesn’t focus on the real threat to America there won’t be a tree standing.

  4. gipper says:

    Remember the most-wanted Iraqi playing cards? Well, the Iraqis have captured the Joker.

    • Odie44 says:

      gipper –

      OT: whilst recently moving – I found my original, unopend pack. Any idea what they may be worth?

    • Liberals Demise says:

      Odie…..leave them unopened for your kids. Let them find the “True” value and worth!

      I on the other hand have an unopened pack of Lucky Strikes (green) from WWII. They went green because the Red, White and Blue went to war!!
      I also saved some “funny money” from ‘Nam and other monies of the world that are no longer in use. (Liras, Francs, Deuschmarks) I lucked out and got to see a big hunk of the world while I was a Marine. God….I loved it!!

  5. VMAN says:

    I really don’t know what to think of this. At first I wanted to say those ungrateful SOBs and then I think maybe they just think our interrogation methods a little woosie. Maybe they think a well placed ball peen hammer would be more effective or the proper use of bolt cutters is in order. I just don’t know what to think. It would be nice if there was an adult in the white house. I do think what needs to happen is that the only truly civilized country in the world (US) needs to drag these ingrates kicking and screaming, if necessary, into the 21st century.

  6. eaglewingz08 says:

    It’s for good reason the Iraqis don’t want to give US access to Al Baghdadi. If the Americans become involved, the Iraqis could rightly fear that Obama or some federal court will deem him to be under ‘US jurisdiction’ and order habeus corpus to remove him to federal court for trial or release. By retaining full control over the prisoner, the Iraqis have short circuited Holder’s plans to obtain jurisdiction over him for his future release into the USA.

    • catie says:

      Eagle, that is my husband’s view. He’s back in country for a short 4 month stint but that’s what he said on the IM this afternoon. Things are better but he said the Iraqis he works with are very worried about Obama and what he’s really going to do. I guess there are many who would like us to leave “and get their country back” but many are hoping that they can do it on their own and are grateful but anxious to see what the next few years bring. Does that make sense?

    • canary says:

      may be, plus, don’t want to be charged with splashing water in his face.

      But, I believe it the U.S. should insist on seeing the terrorist, to make sure Iraq is not safe having some varmit.

  7. Howard Roark says:

    Anybody contemplating national service in this country at this point in time should give it a very deep think. You could save the criminal politicians lives and have them turn on you in a flash to put a higher grade of jelly on their bread.

    I agree, completely, PR.

    I said the same thing to a retired Army big-wig recently, but in the context of the average infantry soldier. “How many young men are going to continue to sign up when they see how easy it is for infantry Marines and Army soldiers to be brought up on murder charges in a court-martial for keeping their squad safe?” As soon as I said it, though, I remembered what was going through my mind when I signed up for infantry duty for 4 years with the 82nd. You couldn’t have told me anything to dissuade me. “Bullet-proof, and full of piss and vinegar”, as the saying goes. The same is true for the beautiful young men signing up for infantry duty today. Thank God for them.

    When a soldier thinks of his mother’s words, “You do what you need to do to come home safe, ‘ya hear?”, it tears at his guts. On the one hand, he has loved ones back home who would go through hell if he didn’t make it back, yet he walks on patrol after patrol in room-to-room situations where he is hamstrung by rules of engagement like no other American GI had to obey prior to Gulf War I. It is absolutely mind-boggling what soft politicians in Washington ask American soldiers and Marines to endure. No wonder so many come back with the baggage they do. Because they have to fight under these insane conditions, I think they are ALL heroes.

    The irony is when you hear some NPR or CNN special on “post traumatic stress disorder”, and the angle is always the same: America sent our men and women on a needless war that makes them return in shambles. B*llsh*t. The reason our young men are left in the mental hell they are is beacause they are asked to do the impossible: have war where no accidents are made, and only people who are obviously trying to kill you get fired upon.

    • proreason says:

      Thank god for men like you Howard, and LD, and JohnMG, and Odie44 and the Colonel and many others who I’ve neglected to mention or don’t know they served, and the women who serve and the many military wives who join these discussions.

      Where would the country and the world be without you.

      It’s almost impossible to imagine the alternative.

    • Howard Roark says:

      Thank-you, PR. Your words mean a lot.

    • catie says:

      Howard, there’s a difference though in people signing up. There are many who want to serve the greater good and cannot be dissuaded and there are others who are only there for the college benefits, to get a job and just want to slump through their 3 or 4 years and hope things are a bit different. However, once they get in most have an epiphany of sorts and their outlook changes. There are always going to be that 10% who complain and whine but that’s in any job. But I am afraid that if we start seeing more military people along with CIA Operatives & FBI folks going on trial people won’t think the benefits outweigh the risk-not of being killed or injured but of their own government coming after them. Supposedly the morale at the CIA amongst covert types and other officers is at a pretty low ebb. I remember my cousin was in the Navy during Carter’s administration having graduated from Annapolis in 1976 & he said it was terrible. He hated it but he had a commitment he had to pay back but the morale was bad. He said it wasn’t until the middle of 1978 that it started getting bad but by 1980 he didn’t plan on making it a career like had when he was 18. By the time Reagan came in no one wanted to be there but things changed during his time and he wound up staying in for 25 years.
      As for this PTSD you were talking about, isn’t that always the truth? Some poor schlub joins and bad Bushitler sends him or her off to war for nothing and they’re damaged goods now. Did you check out the “beware of Veterans at Penn State” video that was on YouTube? Typical, but the politicians don’t really care unless they can get a good soundbite out of it. They ask them to do what they do and then turn a blind eye and act like they weren’t in the same room. I guess it’s been that way since the beginning of time but it’s a sad excuse.
      I’ve said this before but I think there is a method to the Obama’s madness. Anybody check out that “Blue Star for Obummer” group? He and the Belle only meet with those folks privately when they go to military installations and those people on the dais with him in Iraq were ones that voted for him. I guess they didn’t like the looks of the Marines when he was down there and they were all just sitting there and not too thrilled so they got the youngest ones up there who did vote for him. It made for a much better photo op for him. Yes, the troops just love me.

  8. ikez78 says:

    FYI, this guy is another link between Saddam’s regime and al Qaeda. al Maliki mentioned having documentation on this.


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