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Rauf: Islam = Declaration Of Independence

The latest musing from the ‘Imam’ behind the Ground Zero Mosque, via Abu Dhabi’s National Newspaper:

There is no struggle between Islam and America, imam says

Kareem Shaheen
August 30. 2010

ABU DHABI // The imam behind a controversial plan to build an interfaith centre near the site of the 9/11 attacks in New York said yesterday that there was no struggle between Islam and America, or between religions, but between moderates and radicals.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said opposition to the project was being led by a “tiny, vociferous minority” but he trusted the wisdom of Americans to act in the spirit of the US constitution.

So nearly 70% of Americans is now a “tiny, vociferous minority”?

In an interview with The National, Imam Feisal emphasized the silver lining uncovered in the furore as leaders of all faiths have come out in support of the project. Muslims in the Middle East, he said, could witness how freedom of worship and the protection of all religious viewpoints were enshrined as core principles of the American worldview.

Imam Feisal said he intends to address the row over the plans to build the community centre when he returns to the United States this week.

He is on a US State Department-sponsored visit to Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE as part of a programme to promote interfaith dialogue and to discuss the relationship between the United States and the Muslim world and Islam in America.

He has made little public comment about the Park51 project – formerly known as Cordoba House – in recent weeks as the debate was propelled onto the national stage, with Republican leaders such as Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich speaking against it, and the New York mayor, Michael Bloomberg, offering passionate support.

Some opponents of Park51 say the location of the project is insensitive, while others say it would be a monument to the attacks, essentially conflating Islam and extremism. But proponents argue that the centre would be a conduit to inter-faith dialogue.

Imam Feisal , an imam in the area for 27 years, said the struggle “is not between Muslims and non-Muslims, but between moderates of all the faith traditions and the radicals of all the faith traditions. So what is required is a coalition.”

According to his wife, Daisy Khan, Mr. Rauf is merely a freelance, amateur ‘Imam.’ He is actually a real estate developer (and slum lord) by profession.

Christian and Jewish leaders have spoken in support of the project, he said, and are in favour of positive, interfaith discourse.

“However, there are also those very small, loud and vociferous voices who are beating the drum for the opposite kind of discourse. So the question becomes which discourse will dominate, not only in the short term but in the long term.”

He suggested that part of the opposition was politically motivated.

“There is no doubt that the election season has had a major impact upon the nature of the discourse,” he said.

It is painfully clear that whatever Mr. Feisal is, he is certainly no bridge builder.

Opposing or supporting the centre has evolved into a campaign issue ahead of congressional midterm elections in the US in November.

The project’s creators have also been criticised for not effectively participating in the media debate over the centre, but Imam Feisal rejected that criticism.

“We have been saying from the very beginning what the vision and objectives are. I’ve said it repeatedly on many television shows,” he said, adding that religious and political leaders have also spoken forcefully about the merits of the project.

“But, as I said, there is a small minority that doesn’t want to hear this.

Again, the opposition is a vast majority. But even if it weren’t, whatever happened to the rights of the minority?

And speaking of small minorities, practitioners of Islam make up .06% of the American populace. They are less than 1% of the population, and yet look at all of the provisions that have been made for them – out of sensitivity to their ‘religion.’

Perhaps we should just ignore their complaints from now on.

“The fact of the matter is the local community board recognises and understands the vision, the politicians in New York understand the vision, and there is broad-based support for these objectives.”

Again, Mr. Rauf seems quite estranged from the truth.

When asked about whether he would have chosen a different location for the project if he knew in advance about the controversy, Imam Feisal said the Prophet Mohammad instructed Muslims not to dwell on past decisions and wonder about alternative outcomes.

What a shameless dissembler the man is. We know for a fact that he purposefully chose the location as “iconic.” We also know that he knew it would cause controversy.

Imam Feisal said he plans to address the controversy directly when he returns to the US, saying he preferred to do it “when I’m in my homeland and speaking to my people and my fellow Americans”.

We wonder if Mr. Rauf has ever been naturalized. It is not mentioned in any of his very extensive online biographies.

“As it is, my trust and conviction in the wisdom of the American people and political leadership and the American people at large is that they will act in accordance with the highest principles of our constitution and the fundamental American belief in justice and protection of everybody’s rights,” he said.

The imam said that religion is enmeshed in American life, and the Arab and Muslim world must realise that protection of religious freedom is part of the “American creed”.

What utter claptrap. Everyone knows this has nothing to do with ‘religious freedom,’ and everything to do with being sensitive to the community. – A phrase long favored by people like Mr. Feisal.

The inalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, endowed by the Creator and laid out in the US Declaration of Independence, are “a very deeply embedded vision … in the American people. This particular existential viewpoint and foundational viewpoint of America is exactly what Islam is.

What a bastardization of the language of the Declaration of Independence. It is clear that Mr. Feisal is willing to misrepresent anything.

“America was created by people who fled Europe seeking religious freedom and religious liberty. So it is an essential part of the American worldview and creed, that religious liberty is a fundamental protected right,” he said, adding that the role of government is to protect all religions.

“This is something which I believe the Muslim world insufficiently appreciates about America. I’d like to see them understand that better, recognise that better. And recognise that in that is a value which lies at the very core of the Quranic value,” he said.

The imam also spoke of an “evolving American Islamic identity”, and the need to avoid equating Islam with extremism, a concern that “has been going on for quite some time now”.

“And this is why it is important, the issue of radicalism is a threat to all of us. We have radicals in the Muslim world and we have radicals in the other faith traditions as well.”

Really? Perhaps Mr. Feisal could name a few.

“The radicals feed off each other and need each other to sustain themselves. So we need right now to combat the radical voices. That’s the only way we can win this struggle, and establish a peaceful world order, which is what everybody wants and everybody needs.”

“We are evolving an American Islamic identity, and the struggles we are going through today are of the same genre as what the previous faith communities had to face – Jewish immigrants, Catholic immigrants had to face even worse attacks against their communities,” he said.

Yes, everyone remembers how the Jews and Catholics were constantly blowing things up in an effort to impose their system of religious laws on the rest of us.

“But as time goes on and as the second generation establishes itself and is rooted in the United States they articulate an expression of who we are as Americans and to be seen decreasingly as alien and being local.”

That goal is being strengthened through the increased presence of Muslims in fields such as law enforcement and government, as well in more traditional occupations such as dentistry or driving a cab.

“In perceptions between the Muslim world or the Arab Muslim world and the United States in particular, it is an ongoing picture, it is dynamic,” he said.

“There are issues and events which take place that shape people’s perceptions in both directions, whether positively or negatively.”

Mind you, we taxpayers are paying Mr. Rauf to spread this dangerous nonsense.

This article was posted by Steve on Monday, August 30th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

34 Responses to “Rauf: Islam = Declaration Of Independence”

  1. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    “America was created by people who fled Europe seeking religious freedom and religious liberty.”

    It seems he as at least an elementary understanding of the founding of America. So why then does he believe a cult that is 180 degrees out of phase with religious freedom and religious liberty, and general freedom and liberty for that matter, has a place here in America? It should come as no surprise to him that Americans are against the intolerance and subjugation, after all Islam means “to submit’, espoused by his pseudo-religion. Islam and freedom are mutually exclusive; it is evident if you look any place where Islam has taken roots.

    • ptat says:

      Graphically, abundantly,overwhelmingly OBVIOUS, just by looking at Islamic countries!! Similar, in fact, to observing the efficacy of liberalism by looking at our most liberal states–California, New York, Michigan, etc.

  2. beautyofreason says:

    I’m glad 70% of us represent a tiny vociferous minority.

    “The inalienable rights…laid out in the US Declaration of Independence, are
    a very deeply embedded vision … in the American people. This particular existential viewpoint and foundational viewpoint of America is exactly what Islam is.”

    Taqiyya of the week?

    Yes, Islam is foundational. A legal system founded on Koran, supporting documents, and Shariah law hell.

    But Shariah law is certainly not existential.

    Existentialism: Merriam-Webster

    ” a chiefly 20th century philosophical movement embracing diverse doctrines but centering on analysis of individual existence in an unfathomable universe and the plight of the individual who must assume ultimate responsibility for acts of free will without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong or good or bad “

    Interesting word choice, existential. Islam is the opposite of it – practitioners follow an all-encompassing legal maze of religious laws, clarifying right and wrong down to how you use the bathroom. And the Declaration of Independence isn’t existential either. It takes a strong moral stand against tyranny, and for freedom – the sort of things Islam has a problem with.

    • Steve says:

      I’m sure, BOR, that Mr. Rauf used the word ‘existential’ because he thought it sounded intellectual.

      Cut him some slack(s). He is just a poor real estate developer/slum lord, after all. He is just doing this ‘Imam’ gig in his spare time.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      ISLAM = Laws made up as you go.

      example ) girl trips on burka and shows so leg
      Islam on the go ) stone the brains out of said girl

      example ) 3 turds on the way to pick up some porn, rape a girl
      Islam on the go ) stone the brains out of said girl

      This could go on and on………
      See, isn’t this fun

    • beautyofreason says:

      lol Steve! I know I shouldn’t expect high discourse from land lords – or shady imams.

    • misanthropicus says:

      Nice riff on existentialism vs. Islam, beauty – and it really goes to the core of the matter –
      I ‘ll add here the known: “Soldiers, I relieve you of that chymera that the bourgeoisie call conscience” –
      Rauf doesn’t seem to me like a man who is willing to spend too much time on moral choices –

    • ptat says:

      Excellent point, Steve–more of the professorial clap trap we suffer from daily with Obama. Everything is academic with these fools. They pretend to know all and actually know nothing. Obama’s recent shrugging off of Beck’s rally was a painful example of his “all knowing” attitude about how ” throughout history this and that, blah ,blah, blah” Just living in denial….

    • wardmama4 says:

      Good catch beauty on existentialism.

      As I wrote before but will repeat for the (part time) imam/ (part time) slumlord – The Constitution (First Amendment) states – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof – no where in there is that this states free carte blanche for any religion to do anything anywhere without any controls or limits.

      I also have to wonder, if this ‘statement’ was translated precisely as spoken – and given the name on the by-line, it is obvious as to why it has a pro-imam/islam slant.

      For true Americans – the Constitution and the Rights therein – have never been existential in any sense of the word.

      God Help America
      A Proud American Infidel

    • BannedbytheTaliban says:

      Taken to its end point, existentialism boils down to the concept that “only I exist and the thing with which I interact.” There can be no right or wrong unless you deem it to be right or wrong because all existence stems from you (if anybody has read any John Gardner books the Dragon from “Grendel” comes to mind). Thinking about that for a while, I think I can finally say with 100% certainty I have found Obama’s religion, existentialism.

  3. jackrv says:

    The imam behind a controversial plan to build an interfaith centre:
    Interfaith? Since when?


  4. oldpuppydixie says:

    There is no “struggle” because the leftist, America haters in charge of the country are rolling over and selling out the American people!!

  5. mbabbitt says:

    My Masters is in Comparative Religion and I studied religious pluralism and interfaith dialogue. From their behavior and willingness to slander and misrepresent their opponents, whatever you may call the actions of this community center group, it certainly is not an example of dialogue or religious maturity. It’s bullying hiding behind the terminology of multiculturalism. It’s a sham, simple for all to see except those with a deep need to appear enlightened. The non-Muslim supporters are all being played for fools; yes, useful idiots.

    • ptat says:

      You nailed it!

    • proreason says:

      The Ruling Class’ support for the GZM and Islamists in general doesn’t have anything at all to do with religion.

      Like the alliance of Russia and Germany in the years before WWII, the Ruling Class and the Islamic world have simply formed an alliance of convenience against a common enemy: the American public. Both view America as their most deadly enemy.

      If they are able to crush us, they will then sort out among themselves and the Chinese who will preside over the new dark ages. That conflict will be nuclear.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “the Ruling Class and the Islamic world have simply formed an alliance of convenience against a common enemy: the American public.”

      Yup. Yup. Yup. Note:

      “He has made little public comment about the Park51 project – formerly known as Cordoba House – in recent weeks as the debate was propelled onto the national stage, with Republican leaders such as Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich speaking against it, and the New York mayor, Michael Bloomberg, offering passionate support.”

      Duh, it was Imam Obama who propelled the issue nationally and clearly intended for his media to carry this narrative internationally – while sending this idiot on a taxpayer sponsored speaking tour to say what? Unite for Change against the ‘radical’ 70% of bigoted-America!

      Another Deathserpent fang into the poisoned but resilient American body. This operation was chosen for a reason. Every stage of this is deliberate, even if isn’t necessarily always Obama who starts it, he’s more than ecstatic to accelerate any social or political divide by proxy.

      For if there’s been any transparent consistency to the behavior of the regime it’s the ‘Nuclear Option’ idea, ranging from anything like Budget Reconciliation to Plugging the Damn Hole to the Racism/Bigotry Card and now the Hamasque. So, cheers to hoping the October Surprise isn’t gonna be the mother of all of ’em.

    • BannedbytheTaliban says:

      “offering passionate support”

      “The best lack all conviction while the worst are filled with passionate intensity” – William Butler Yeats

  6. misanthropicus says:

    What a nice man mr. Rauf is! And his wife, Daisy, how appropiate has described him as “just an amateur imam”!
    It’s such a difference between these good, generous, understanding, tolerant people and the vociferous crownd that opposes their wondeful project!

  7. puhiawa says:

    Tax cheating, Islamic slumlord. he can hardly wait for the money he thinks the Wahhabis will send him for destroying America.

  8. Mithrandir says:

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said opposition to the project was being led by a “tiny, vociferous minority” but he trusted the wisdom of Americans to ACT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE US CONSTITUTION.

    → Why do scoundrels ALWAYS insist on everyone else following the letter of the law? I can think of 10s of 1000s of instances in which you are well within the confines of the legal law, but not within the boundaries of moral behavior. Remember when the lib news media had a conniption fit when that black tea partier was carrying an M-16 on his shoulder near where the president was?[well within his rights, but that still bothered the liberals for some reason]

    → Why is not Islam ever badgered to: ACT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE KORAN? You know, the parts that are NOT taken out of context by the very tiny vociferous minority of terrorists? (questionable if it is really out of context, and if the terrorists are really in the minority)

  9. Chinnubie says:

    I’m still curious to know who the radical Catholic and Jewish groups are, do they have a website?? If such groups did exist, wouldn’t we be the first ones to denounce them and do everything in our power to put them out of business?? I never hear the so-called peaceful Muslims attempting to put together groups to shut the violent Muslims out of existence. To simply claim they exist is not enough to make me believe that some Muslims are peaceful, they all congregate under the same roof. Until I see REAL action taken I’ll never give them the satisfaction they desire. I’ll always assume the Muslim living next to me would rather see me and my family beheaded just like it says in the Koran for the non-believer.

    Does Interfaith acceptance mean we Christians can go into the GZM and pray??

  10. hakimovski says:

    “I never hear the so-called peaceful Muslims attempting to put together groups to shut the violent Muslims out of existence.”


    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Yes, they demand prime time television time. They put huge ads in the NY Times, they are splattered all over the news for their “activism”. You just can’t go anywhere and not hear something new from them.

      C’mon hakimovski, surely you can do better than that. Seven websites, wow. That’s real agitation. Funny I’ve never heard of them before your post. Why is that?

    • BannedbytheTaliban says:

      I’m sure, like all of the “peace” based George Soros’ groups, they have a common backer, whose intentions are far from the peaceful integration of Islam into western societies.

    • hakimovski says:

      “Yes, they demand prime time television time. They put huge ads in the NY Times, they are splattered all over the news for their “activism”. You just can’t go anywhere and not hear something new from them.”

      You’re mixing it up; the organizations are anti-terrorism, and this lead them to receive attention. They didn’t create it for the sake of being on television.

    • hakimovski says:

      “I’m sure, like all of the “peace” based George Soros’ groups, they have a common backer, whose intentions are far from the peaceful integration of Islam into western societies.”

      You cannot be serious. Muslim organizations are constantly under scrutiny by the gov’t, and you’re here telling me that there could be a terrorist leader behind it all, that somehow managed to remain hidden from the CIA/NRA/FBI, all these years, for ALL of these organizations?

      You best be joking.

    • BannedbytheTaliban says:

      Would that be the same CIA that knew there were WMD in Iraq, or that was certain DPRK was not building a nuke during the Clinton years. Or would it be those same intelligence mavens that kept the underwear bomber off the no-fly list? Or maybe the intelligence groups that warned us of the obvious terrorist Major Hassan who was reported by many of his seniors. Intelligence groups have become so politicized they wouldn’t dare offend any muslim group, especially one that comes in the name of peace.

      You shouldn’t have included the NRA, your agenda is showing.

      Just a precursory glance into the groups you mentioned gives little information as to who runs those sites and I’m too lazy to waste my time on convincing you. But there are many muslim groups that fit the bill, here is one for example:

      Founded by radical Islamist Mahboob Khan
      Former spokesman Yousef Al-Yousef supported Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Holy Land Foundation


      It is pretty effective tactic to play the peace card. In military terms it is called a feint.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      hakimovski said, “They didn’t create it for the sake of being on television.”

      You missed my point, but that’s not surprising. Your agenda is to “prove” that muslims are a peace-loving, silent majority.

      My agenda is to call you a liar.

      When another violent act is committed by muslims, where are your “lovers of peace” in the muslim community then? When the WTC came crashing down, where were the so-called “lovers of peace” in the msm? Those representing the “peace-loving” faction of islam? Where were they? All I heard was the sound of crickets.

      You cannot tell me and have me believe that “the vast majority” of muslims want peace. As they continue to immigrate to the US, they do not assimilate to our society. Instead they continue to argue that the US must assimilate to their needs. Why is that?

      People come here to be free, yet islam is NOT about freedom. Not in any way shape or form. And once they are here, they are angry that people have so much freedom and then bitch about it. How can that possibly make any sense? And currently, the “spokespeople” of islam are now using our constitution to claim the right of freedom of religion and to build a moosque which clearly represents an in-your-eye gesture of superiority to the masses of the US.

      If I ran over your mailbox intentionally, would you be angry? Or would you, in your peace-loving islam manner, run over mine as well? I suspect the latter. Then, if I put MY replacement mailbox in the spot where yours used to be, or, a huge one very close to it to “make a statement”…would you object? Or would you say “You have the right to do as you please”?

      But the argument goes beyond simple mailboxes, doesn’t it? You seem to be in the camp that as long as your agenda is met, you should use all resources to meet that agenda. And there are no violent muslims…only those who do not see islam as you do. But when the agenda is met, silence serves as a useful tool to indicate that, though you, yourself are not violent, the service of the violent ones will advance islam for you and you can claim to be peace-loving without getting your hands dirty.

      Ever hear the expression, “absence of disapproval is the same as permission”? We here in the US aren’t hearing much disapproval from the “peace-loving” faction of muslim residents here. The result will most likely be what they have in the UK…pockets of “radical” islam. For me, islam IS radical. There is no other kind.

      And you, hakimovski, are the very problem. The way you submitted your first post is evidence that you are somehow slighted by the suggestion by someone that we’re not hearing much in the way of protest from other muslims that violent muslims are unacceptable. And we aren’t.

      To my point: If the non-violent muslims are so adamantly opposed to them, why are they only quietly going about their business in the background? Why are they not clamoring to get on national TV and denounce the acts of a so-called few? Why are they not taking out huge, full-page ads to denounce the acts?

      The answer is quite simple, because their tribal leaders will condemn THEM or worse. They will be hunted down and beheaded by the violent ones. Am I wrong?

      Islam is a cult that encourages violence. You cannot deny that. It’s very makeup is founded on violence. It is encouraged, promoted and revered.

      It is not just a problem…it is endemic to a huge segment of Earth’s population. I despise it, condemn it and its followers. It’s not a religion, it is a rulebook for servitude to madmen.

  11. Chinnubie says:

    The point is that Muslims aren’t protesting outside of Hamas or Hezbolla offices and never will, better yet get somebody to blow the place sky-high. That would show me Muslims are trying to do something to work toward shutting down these people of hate. If the VAST majority of Muslims are peaceful then it should be no problem to stop funding and supporting these organizations. I’ll even go one further and say that if the United States made a decree to give free citizenship to all Muslims that want to come here and live in peace then commence bombing the middle east into a parking lot then we’d rid the world of all the violent Muslims then go back and rebuild the place just like we did in WWII. Think there would be any takers????

  12. Tater Salad says:

    Muslims are rubbing salt into the wound. No more Islamic immigration into the United States. It has to stop now before it is “to late”. There is also a mosque in Florida that is being funded by Hamas.


    Islam is taking over the world and it is now America’s turn to fall:

    Very Important to know this before it is to late:




  13. Natural Born Citizen says:

    Department of Agriculture Builds a Stonewall Around the Muslim Brotherhood Grants Workshop – http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/09/01/department-of-agriculture-builds-a-stonewall-around-the-muslim-brotherhood-grants-workshop/

    Unbelieveable! Our Dept of Agriculture, Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, Agriculture, White House, Education, etc… are sponsoring a workshop to alleviate any “red-tape” in Muslim Brotherhood associated groups in getting grants or government assistance from the federal government. WTF, why not just give them flight training on 747’s? I have never in my life seen federal government agencies that policies are so borderline treasonous.

  14. Reality Bytes says:

    Is it me or does this Imam look like a Star Trek villian. I bet he hoards tribles.

  15. Curmudgeon says:

    “That’s the only way we can win this struggle and establish a peaceful world order. Which is what everybody wants and everybody needs.”
    Those lines were particularly chilling. Agenda revealed

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