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		<title>By: Confucius</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-150006</link>
		<dc:creator>Confucius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; . . . the official count of new unemployed people is about 6 million. The actual count is certainly over 10 million.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting proreason.  You do realize that 10 million was approximately Obama&#039;s lead over McCain in November.

I&#039;m sure there is some kind of irony here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; . . . the official count of new unemployed people is about 6 million. The actual count is certainly over 10 million.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Interesting proreason.  You do realize that 10 million was approximately Obama&#8217;s lead over McCain in November.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there is some kind of irony here.</p>
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		<title>By: neocon mom</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-150005</link>
		<dc:creator>neocon mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of an &quot;expert witness&quot;--ya gotta have &#039;em in any high stakes trial these days. They are &quot;credibility for hire&quot; which cheapens their credibility. You can find one to say anything for a certain fee (including M.D.s, bronzeprof, and it&#039;s all orchestrated by J.D.s, surprise, surprise!)

Walter Williams recently wrote about the extraordinarily low achievement of most college graduates when asked some basic questions (mostly humanities, no tough science stuff either). It is an environment so hostile to conservatives, so focused on fluff that most opt for professions, business or some other road to entrepreneurship.

I agree somewhat with Breitbart--it seems counterintuitive, but don&#039;t start with the eggheads, start with the popular culture. I know many intellectuals tire of the culture war, but I think that&#039;s mostly due to the company they keep. In any Ph.D. program, a conservative will be very lonely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of an &#8220;expert witness&#8221;&#8211;ya gotta have &#8216;em in any high stakes trial these days. They are &#8220;credibility for hire&#8221; which cheapens their credibility. You can find one to say anything for a certain fee (including M.D.s, bronzeprof, and it&#8217;s all orchestrated by J.D.s, surprise, surprise!)</p>
<p>Walter Williams recently wrote about the extraordinarily low achievement of most college graduates when asked some basic questions (mostly humanities, no tough science stuff either). It is an environment so hostile to conservatives, so focused on fluff that most opt for professions, business or some other road to entrepreneurship.</p>
<p>I agree somewhat with Breitbart&#8211;it seems counterintuitive, but don&#8217;t start with the eggheads, start with the popular culture. I know many intellectuals tire of the culture war, but I think that&#8217;s mostly due to the company they keep. In any Ph.D. program, a conservative will be very lonely.</p>
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		<title>By: BigOil</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-150004</link>
		<dc:creator>BigOil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it possible a bunch of right wing radicals here at S&amp;L immediately knew the economic &lt;strike&gt;fiction&lt;/strike&gt; analysis of a liberal PhD economist was a steaming pile?

Could it be we know wealth is not created from the government confiscation and redistribution of wealth?
Could it be we understand Socialism has failed every time it is tried? 
Could it be our understanding that a free individual acting in their own self interest always makes better decisions than a bureaucrat?

If an idea comes out of the mouth of liberal - expect the opposite to be the best course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it possible a bunch of right wing radicals here at S&amp;L immediately knew the economic <strike>fiction</strike> analysis of a liberal PhD economist was a steaming pile?</p>
<p>Could it be we know wealth is not created from the government confiscation and redistribution of wealth?<br />
Could it be we understand Socialism has failed every time it is tried?<br />
Could it be our understanding that a free individual acting in their own self interest always makes better decisions than a bureaucrat?</p>
<p>If an idea comes out of the mouth of liberal &#8211; expect the opposite to be the best course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: U NO HOO</title>
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		<dc:creator>U NO HOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Jared Bernstein, the top economic adviser to Vice President Biden …”

What is wrong with the economic advisor to the president?

We need two?

Oh, yeah, we need to create jobs, next, an Economic Advisor Tsar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Jared Bernstein, the top economic adviser to Vice President Biden …”</p>
<p>What is wrong with the economic advisor to the president?</p>
<p>We need two?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah, we need to create jobs, next, an Economic Advisor Tsar.</p>
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		<title>By: MinnesotaRush</title>
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		<dc:creator>MinnesotaRush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto, John!  

PhD - Pile it Higher &amp; Deeper .. when I encounter so much of this stuff, I&#039;m reminded of the fable where the little kid points out to the king that he&#039;s naked!

.. and certainly, bronzeprofessor, no insult intended towards you. It&#039;s been a treat to review your postings/thoughts; and I&#039;m looking forward to getting to know you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, John!  </p>
<p>PhD &#8211; Pile it Higher &amp; Deeper .. when I encounter so much of this stuff, I&#8217;m reminded of the fable where the little kid points out to the king that he&#8217;s naked!</p>
<p>.. and certainly, bronzeprofessor, no insult intended towards you. It&#8217;s been a treat to review your postings/thoughts; and I&#8217;m looking forward to getting to know you more.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-149998</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they used crayons &quot;

I was thinking something similar.  I figured that when they had their study group, the Jared buffoon or another buffoon in the room drew this on a white-board and it caught The Moron&#039;s eye and he told them to include it in the propaganda for the hoax.

and they just played with it until they got a shape they liked, then focus-grouped it a couple of time, and presto, national policy.

National Policy that our great great grandkids will struggle to pay off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they used crayons &#8221;</p>
<p>I was thinking something similar.  I figured that when they had their study group, the Jared buffoon or another buffoon in the room drew this on a white-board and it caught The Moron&#8217;s eye and he told them to include it in the propaganda for the hoax.</p>
<p>and they just played with it until they got a shape they liked, then focus-grouped it a couple of time, and presto, national policy.</p>
<p>National Policy that our great great grandkids will struggle to pay off.</p>
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		<title>By: MinnesotaRush</title>
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		<dc:creator>MinnesotaRush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure they used crayons when they made this little study group graph.</description>
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		<title>By: MinnesotaRush</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-149996</link>
		<dc:creator>MinnesotaRush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jared Bernstein, the top economic adviser to Vice President Biden ...&quot;

As far as I&#039;m concerned, anything that comes after this comment is irrelevant and likely (MOST likely) .. bullshit!!!

No need to go any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jared Bernstein, the top economic adviser to Vice President Biden &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, anything that comes after this comment is irrelevant and likely (MOST likely) .. bullshit!!!</p>
<p>No need to go any further.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-149985</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wouldn’t it be more instructive if the graph was (absolute) number of unemployed vs. time? Better yet, (absolute) number of full-time jobs vs. time?&quot;

They would never do that.  

Mobs with pitchforks would come after them.

Since OSoros tanked the market to steal the election last September, the official count of new unemployed people is about 6 million.  The actual count is certainly over 10 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wouldn’t it be more instructive if the graph was (absolute) number of unemployed vs. time? Better yet, (absolute) number of full-time jobs vs. time?&#8221;</p>
<p>They would never do that.  </p>
<p>Mobs with pitchforks would come after them.</p>
<p>Since OSoros tanked the market to steal the election last September, the official count of new unemployed people is about 6 million.  The actual count is certainly over 10 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Confucius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confucius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks proreason.  I see the problem.  

Wouldn&#039;t it be more instructive if the graph was (absolute) number of unemployed vs. time?  Better yet, (absolute) number of full-time jobs vs. time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks proreason.  I see the problem.  </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be more instructive if the graph was (absolute) number of unemployed vs. time?  Better yet, (absolute) number of full-time jobs vs. time?</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confucius,  I think the idea of the graph was to show that millions of jobs could be saved through 2014 with the Depression Stimulus.  The gap between the upper and lower lines are the &quot;saved&quot; jobs.

In the real world, something liberals don&#039;t acknowledge, unemployment is now 9.4%, or more than 1% above the worst case.   1% seems small.....but it&#039;s 1.5 million jobs.

But the graph is just made up bullshit.   The only thought that was put into it was probably to make sure that the income from the &quot;saved&quot; jobs would be a little bit more than the cost of the Stimulus package.  I did some quick math, and that seems to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confucius,  I think the idea of the graph was to show that millions of jobs could be saved through 2014 with the Depression Stimulus.  The gap between the upper and lower lines are the &#8220;saved&#8221; jobs.</p>
<p>In the real world, something liberals don&#8217;t acknowledge, unemployment is now 9.4%, or more than 1% above the worst case.   1% seems small&#8230;..but it&#8217;s 1.5 million jobs.</p>
<p>But the graph is just made up bullshit.   The only thought that was put into it was probably to make sure that the income from the &#8220;saved&#8221; jobs would be a little bit more than the cost of the Stimulus package.  I did some quick math, and that seems to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMG</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/jared-bernstein-defends-rosy-jobs-promises#comment-149975</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....&quot;The anti-Vietnam generation then controlled who in later generations could get into PhD programs.....&quot;

With no intent of malice, professor, this is what has always ticked me off about someone sporting that coveted PhD behind their name.  It is so much like an academy award where the group gets together and confers an honor on one of their own.  To me, PhD, standing alone, impresses me not.  What I see by way of &quot;walking the walk&quot; earns my respect.  In fact, it has almost come to be, for me anyway, that I&#039;m suspicious of the title until that person has shown something of the character traits I would expect from someone so honored.  Until then, they pull their pants on one leg at a time, just as do I, and I consider them nothing special.  That doctorate means nothing to me.  In fact, I may even hold that person somewhat in contempt.  I began feeling this way due to my life&#039;s experience.  And I ain&#039;t no spring chicken---but I am a VietNam vet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..&#8221;The anti-Vietnam generation then controlled who in later generations could get into PhD programs&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>With no intent of malice, professor, this is what has always ticked me off about someone sporting that coveted PhD behind their name.  It is so much like an academy award where the group gets together and confers an honor on one of their own.  To me, PhD, standing alone, impresses me not.  What I see by way of &#8220;walking the walk&#8221; earns my respect.  In fact, it has almost come to be, for me anyway, that I&#8217;m suspicious of the title until that person has shown something of the character traits I would expect from someone so honored.  Until then, they pull their pants on one leg at a time, just as do I, and I consider them nothing special.  That doctorate means nothing to me.  In fact, I may even hold that person somewhat in contempt.  I began feeling this way due to my life&#8217;s experience.  And I ain&#8217;t no spring chicken&#8212;but I am a VietNam vet.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bronze, good to know there are some level heads in academia.  I&#039;m not against the intelligensia per se, but it sure doesn&#039;t seem like there are many who see things other than the party line.   It&#039;s really great to have one posting on S&amp;L now.  And good that you are tring to be a johny appleseed of conservatism.

As for your research about why academia has become so hostile to diversity of thought, it is probably not something you could write about and retain your position, but I have become convinced since Obama siezed power that it results from a deliberate strategy of the communists in the 40&#039;s and 50&#039;s era to takeover academia and the media and through them, the country.  You may have read some other posts where I state that.  A new S&amp;L poster named badcrow has recently arrived here with similar ideas.  Vietnam was probably the flash point that turned the tide on the effort, but I know that academic thinking by the mid-60&#039;s was already very liberal and that they were indoctinating students at least by that time.

I don&#039;t have any specific research to support my contention (despite regular posting here, I have other responsibilities),  the reasons I think so are:

- the very rigid lock-step ideology that you see in the left today.
- the amazing congruence of current academic and media thinking and communist philosophy.
- the occasional Bill Ayers who pokes his head out of his foxhole.
- the influence of Saul Alinsky on the Moron&#039;s cabal
- the fact that the Moron&#039;s agenda could easily have come from a communist text book of 40 years ago
- the known influence of Communists in the 30&#039;s thru 50&#039;s, particularly in England, but also here, even through the recent revelation of the Cuban spies in the State Department
- the Left&#039;s strange love affair with Castro, Chavez and virtually every other socialist autocrat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bronze, good to know there are some level heads in academia.  I&#8217;m not against the intelligensia per se, but it sure doesn&#8217;t seem like there are many who see things other than the party line.   It&#8217;s really great to have one posting on S&amp;L now.  And good that you are tring to be a johny appleseed of conservatism.</p>
<p>As for your research about why academia has become so hostile to diversity of thought, it is probably not something you could write about and retain your position, but I have become convinced since Obama siezed power that it results from a deliberate strategy of the communists in the 40&#8217;s and 50&#8217;s era to takeover academia and the media and through them, the country.  You may have read some other posts where I state that.  A new S&amp;L poster named badcrow has recently arrived here with similar ideas.  Vietnam was probably the flash point that turned the tide on the effort, but I know that academic thinking by the mid-60&#8217;s was already very liberal and that they were indoctinating students at least by that time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any specific research to support my contention (despite regular posting here, I have other responsibilities),  the reasons I think so are:</p>
<p>- the very rigid lock-step ideology that you see in the left today.<br />
- the amazing congruence of current academic and media thinking and communist philosophy.<br />
- the occasional Bill Ayers who pokes his head out of his foxhole.<br />
- the influence of Saul Alinsky on the Moron&#8217;s cabal<br />
- the fact that the Moron&#8217;s agenda could easily have come from a communist text book of 40 years ago<br />
- the known influence of Communists in the 30&#8217;s thru 50&#8217;s, particularly in England, but also here, even through the recent revelation of the Cuban spies in the State Department<br />
- the Left&#8217;s strange love affair with Castro, Chavez and virtually every other socialist autocrat</p>
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		<title>By: bronzeprofessor</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronzeprofessor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@proreason, Yes, you are right to bring up Vietnam. In the current book I&#039;m working on, I am trying to figure out why the professoriate became so hostile to ideological diversity in the last 3rd of the 20th century. The intelligentsia in most countries leans to the Left, and in the US the Republican Party and its industrial-bourgeois base alienated intellectuals by the late 1800s, never to win them back, ever again! BUT in the late 20th century, the Vietnam War exerted a specific influence on the professoriate. It was in the 1960s and 1970s that many new Humanities interdisciplinary fields were founded, and the number of PhDs being awarded started creeping upward. Unfortunately, it was during that same time that many people in PhD programs were trying to get out of the Vietnam War. So by the late 1970s, the professoriate was almost wholly defined as the antithesis of the armed forces. The anti-Vietnam generation then controlled who in later generations could get into PhD programs, and later who could get an academic post, get published, or be tenured.

I am feeling rather hostile to conservative critics like David Horowitz, though, because I think the only way to take back the world of PhDs is to foster young conservative scholars. Bashing the idea of a PhD because most PhDs are liberal, which is what Horowitz does, won&#039;t help us. I like the fact that Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter and Larry Elder have all been heard, lately, encouraging young bright intellectuals to become professors.

For my part -- just so you know someone is trying -- I am mentoring about a dozen bright conservative students; we meet to talk about books and I am trying to help them strategize a way into the academy. But unfortunately I have to do all this, off the books, as part of a personal investment in them without being paid to mentor them. I don&#039;t mind though. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@proreason, Yes, you are right to bring up Vietnam. In the current book I&#8217;m working on, I am trying to figure out why the professoriate became so hostile to ideological diversity in the last 3rd of the 20th century. The intelligentsia in most countries leans to the Left, and in the US the Republican Party and its industrial-bourgeois base alienated intellectuals by the late 1800s, never to win them back, ever again! BUT in the late 20th century, the Vietnam War exerted a specific influence on the professoriate. It was in the 1960s and 1970s that many new Humanities interdisciplinary fields were founded, and the number of PhDs being awarded started creeping upward. Unfortunately, it was during that same time that many people in PhD programs were trying to get out of the Vietnam War. So by the late 1970s, the professoriate was almost wholly defined as the antithesis of the armed forces. The anti-Vietnam generation then controlled who in later generations could get into PhD programs, and later who could get an academic post, get published, or be tenured.</p>
<p>I am feeling rather hostile to conservative critics like David Horowitz, though, because I think the only way to take back the world of PhDs is to foster young conservative scholars. Bashing the idea of a PhD because most PhDs are liberal, which is what Horowitz does, won&#8217;t help us. I like the fact that Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter and Larry Elder have all been heard, lately, encouraging young bright intellectuals to become professors.</p>
<p>For my part &#8212; just so you know someone is trying &#8212; I am mentoring about a dozen bright conservative students; we meet to talk about books and I am trying to help them strategize a way into the academy. But unfortunately I have to do all this, off the books, as part of a personal investment in them without being paid to mentor them. I don&#8217;t mind though. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It justifies the theft of taxpayers money under the disguise of a flimflam artist / president.</description>
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