SubscribeKerry Condemns Waterboarding, Not Tasering
The great John Kerry (D-AQ) has announced that he will vote against the nomination of the new attorney general because of Michael Mukasey’s failure to flatly condemn “waterboarding” under all possible circumstances.
His pronouncement appears on his website:
Kerry Statement on Mukasey Nomination
by Rick Albertson on November 1st, 2007
WASHINGTON D.C. – Senator John Kerry made the following statement today on the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey for Attorney General of the United States.
“Judge Mukasey’s refusal to classify the barbaric practice of waterboarding as torture waves a red flag about his nomination to serve an Administration that has adhered to the Cheney doctrine on executive power and torture. I am not comfortable confirming anyone who cannot see that this method of interrogation is antithetical to American values and traditions – especially not to a position that is charged with representing our entire justice system. We need to reestablish faith in the Department of Justice." …
Well, is waterboarding really worse than tasering?
Lest we forget, Mr. Kerry seemed to have no qualms about the latter when it was done to protect him:
University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum
University of Florida student Andrew Meyer is Tasered and arrested after causing a disturbance at a town hall forum, which featured Senator John Kerry, at the UF Auditorium on Sept. 17, 2007.
It’s hard to find recent data, but in 2004, when questions about the use of tasers were more popular there was quite a lot of reporting about the deaths tasers had caused.
At the time the Seattle Post-Intelligencer ran several articles on the subject, and published this informative chart:
Note that just in the years from 2000 to 2004 at least 79 people died due to being tasered.
According to a report from Amnesty International released in 2006, more than 150 people were killed by tasers in the US in the five years between June 2001 and February 2006:
Taser related deaths pass the 150 mark
Since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the USA after being shocked by a taser. Of those deaths, 85 have occurred in the USA since Amnesty International released its report (in November 2004) calling for a suspension on the use and transfer of these weapons.
Amnesty International raised its concerns in its previous report that the number of taser-related deaths had been rising each year. There were three deaths reported in 2001, 13 in 2002, 17 in 2003 and 48 in 2004. In 2005 there were 61 taser-related deaths, and by the mid February 2006 there have already been 10 deaths.
Meanwhile, how many people have died from waterboarding?
So far I not been able to find any authoritative report to indicate that waterboarding has led to any deaths in recent years.
None.
And more to the point, when has the safety of a city or even a nation been protected by a taser?
Still, Mr. Kerry is a Senator, a famous moral paragon. He must surely know best.
But someone should ask him that since we can no longer waterboard these bravos, no matter what the stakes, is it okay if we just taser them a little?
How could Mr. Kerry object?
Or is his personal safety worth more than say that of a squadron of troops in Iraq or an American city?
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November 1st, 2007 at 7:10 pm
The answer is obvious.
More terrorists would die from a good tazer shock than waterboarding.
So we torture with tazers, Its a step in the right direction if you ask me.
Oh and if we can get tazering OK’d, Maybe SJ can open a class on the finer points of tatering.
November 1st, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Even better than tazering or water boarding…….both at the same time. Now that would have some shock value. But seriously, I just don’t understand how these morons think we can get information out of people that want to die anyway. And I think they seriously believe it is horrible to do this to people no matter the reason. I believe they seriously believe it would be better for Americans to lose thousands of our own before torturing one of these animals. I don’t believe it is political, or BDS, I believe they really feel this way. How did that happen? How did we raise generations of people in, ahem, leadership positions that are willing to sacrifice American citizens, maybe in the thousands, at the altar of insanity? And I believe they will believe it until it happens to them.
November 1st, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Ah WI,
That’s the rub, They think they are being Nobel, They would let a million die to keep from compromising their morals.
Let me rephrase that, They would let a million die before you or anyone else were allowed to compromise their morals.
Of course they really have no morals, But its their way of feeling superior.
And I really like the idea of waterboard tazers, But I must insist on 30000 volts and 2000 amps.
November 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pm
WaterboardTazers….heh….diabolical but effective.
And you’re right, in their own minds they think it’s noble. And we are paying money to send our kids to universities that indoctrinate them to think the same way. It’s insidious and self re-generating. I don’t have an answer. For the first time in my life, I can imagine the end of our way of life, if not in my lifetime, in my children’s.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I must disagree with both of your points WI.
As a tazeree, trust me, just the tazer is enough..granted after about 40 pulls of the trigger (I’ll save the tazer story for our beerfest, well worth the wait)
As far as our way of life, I disagree. People are getting fed up fast. The same thing happened with that fool Carter. Then we got Reagan!!
Maybe we need the garbage in congress now to wake up the people.
There are too many good people to let the US go to hell.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Just leave the freaking tazer at home when you pick us up at the airport NCJ. And the damn water board too….
November 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Excuse me but aren’t the ones against torture the same ones who think we can talk to our enemies and persuade them not to cut our heads off?
As far as torture goes waterboarding is a rather mild form.
A much better method is shooting the prisoners joints(ankles, knees, etc )with a .22 pistol.
Fire applied to various parts of the body is also a very good method of gaining information.
But that is just me.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Same bunch of morons 1st. I think they should all be forced to watch the video of Daniel Pearl talking to them as they cut his head off. I understand it’s pretty gruesome. Maybe it would convince at least one of them that talk doesn’t work with animals.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:25 pm
You forget, the same wimps call having a hot female rubbing on a detainee torture.
I used to call having a hot female rubbing on me “my prayers come true”
November 1st, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Oh man…..I think I remember those prayers….lol
November 1st, 2007 at 10:32 pm
WI, I have the vid, I have it saved on my hard drive.
But its gruesome is an understatement, Its not cutting the head off the man so much as sawing it off with a dull knife.
Its not for the faint of heart, Hell I am not sure its for the strong.
Its the things nightmares are made of, But the kind of scum that would do that to a bound and defenseless man deserve much worse.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Yup Navy.
I remember the old saying,
Do not sweat the petty things.
Just pet the sweaty things.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:34 pm
“deserve much worse”
A night of butter and Rosi…….
Nah, too easy (and gruesome, someone may be getting ready to eat)
November 1st, 2007 at 10:38 pm
I didnt go into details Navy.
Trust me, I have a sick place 2 miles wide.
So never ask me about a glass stir, Or a 48 inch fluorescent bulb and salt, a hammer and a slag grinder.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:39 pm
1st…..tell your Marine I’m going to water board him if he doesn’t get a haircut…….nice picture. Semper Fi.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:49 pm
WI,
He goes on terminal leave in two weeks then he is going to Maui for a few days then to Austraila for a couple of weeks then he is finally coming home in time for Christamas.
I just hope to hell my bluff holds up and he does not want to arm wrestle..;)
November 1st, 2007 at 10:58 pm
1st, Your arm wrestling may be the least of the problems.
Australia has about a 4 to 1 female to male ratio last I heard.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:07 pm
DEZ,
He really is a good man.
He has been home for Christmas only 2 times in 5 years.
One of those times he gave up his leave so one of the younger Marines could go home for Christmas.
I am going to bed. Yall have a Good Night.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:09 pm
DEZ has a point 1st. If he makes it to OZ, you may not see him for awhile.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:15 pm
More deaths from tasers than waterboarding, now there’s your problem right there, leftists aren’t for saving human lives. You see if you’re allowed to beat the life-saving info out of a terrorist, that’s lives saved if you get it out of them. Can’t have any of that, hence the coddling of terrorists.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Your convoluted thinking is too much like a loon MK…..sure you aren’t a troll? :-)
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:59 am
Why don’t we just make them listen to Barry Manilow?!?! They may be suicidal and want to kill themselves even more, but dont let them. Flip side coming up Jihadist……………..
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Do Kerry and the rest of the Senate Dhimmi’s really believe the American voting public are just plain stupid?
OK, ummm, let me rephrase that.
Do Lurch and the Senate Dhimmi’s truly believe the INFORMED American voting public are just plain stupid?
For pete’s sake, this is American Government 101. Moral objections aside, questioning a prospective AG about water-boarding without giving them a specific scenario is reprehensible and flies in the face of our well established US “rule of law”. A US Senator should know this but obviously, “Lurch”, the “Swimmer”, “Leakin’ Leahy”, “Shrillary” and the other ignorant wretches fighting Mukasey’s appointment have chosen to ignore the “rule of law” and apparently they want the next AG to do the same.
Is water-boarding against current US law? Yes, in certain circumstances. The US military isn’t allowed to employ water-boarding on captured opposition soldiers, combatants or civilians as set forth in the UCMJ. However, military officers are allowed to deviate from the UCMJ if they feel that soldiers in their charge or civilian lives may be saved by those actions.
On the other hand, the CIA and other Federal agencies are exempt from the UCMJ.
In July 2007, Bush signed an executive order barring torture of terror suspects by all Federal agencies but this order doesn’t specifically prohibit water-boarding.
In addition, the Senate tossed around a bill last year that would have prohibited water-boarding but it went nowhere. “Slow” Joe Biden introduced a similar bill this year but it has so far, failed to emerge from committee let alone be voted on. So there you have it.
Simply put, the Dhimmi asshats are asking the AG nominee to override the rule of law and condemn water-boarding regardless of true legality. These morons are asking Mukasey to deviate from the “checks and balances” as set forth in our US Constitution. The AG is supposed to enforce the rule of law, not make the law and implement it.
If “Lurch” and his ilk want water-boarding outlawed, then pass a frikkin’ law that prohibits the practice and quit the BS political grandstanding just for the sake of simple minded Americans.
Jeeez!! I’m sick and tired of the propaganda and stupidity that oozes from DC, especially from the Dhimmi tributary. — rant over –
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:50 pm
We had a taser death here - so in the hoopla and uproar that followed I looked it up - guess what, the majority of people who die - either were on the way out (serious undiagnosed heart ailment) or on drugs. This of course has nothing to do with the template that the left wants to forward that it is just not a good thing - which I guess we must make our LEOs resort to running down the street blowing whistles shouting stop police - can’t shoot ‘em, can’t taze ‘em - and we know how they feel about the batons - so what is left? Just another way to make the criminal more important than the crime and better than the law enforcement.
waterboarding is one mans torture, one mans interogation technique and one mans training - just another way to make the criminal/terrorist more important than the victim, the soldier, the American citizen.
And yes - the implication that they are helpless to change a damn thing is disgusting - as is the implication that they have not a thing to do with the laws that currently stand in America.
November 2nd, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Holy Farmer John, I think a pig just flew by my window!! From the Baltimore Sun via Ace of Spades;
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/245403.php
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co.....kasey.html
Chucky and DiFi supporting a Bush nominee?? Will wonders never cease.
Hey WI, if you’re still out there, maybe DiFi has turned over a new leaf, as you suggested from her support of Arnold and Bush during last weeks CA wildfires. Have to give her credit when due, cheers and salutations Sen. Feinstein.
I’ll reserve judgement on Schumer however. He’s still a pandering moron in my book.
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Thanks GM. I agree with you on DIFI. This is actually four times within the last couple of weeks. The fires, Judge Southwick, this and SCHIP. My hat is off to her and I salute her. Now Ground Chuck….not giving him the time of day. In the old days we used to say it takes a whole lot of attaboys to make up for one awwwwshit. He’s had too many awwwwshits to ever get even with me.