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MoveOn Ad: Big Insurance Kills People

Remember how we noted that according to the Politico Ms. Pelosi planned to demonize the insurance industry over the August recess?

Well, as usual, when the Democrats speak, MoveOn.org respond, “how high?”

Behold their latest advertisement, via YouTube:


Shark Week!

They are enormous and powerful. They prey on our weaknesses, trying to separate the healthy from the sick. Their strategy is to confuse and exhaust their victims. And they kill people each year by denying coverage while profiting billions. During shark week, let’s take on the real predators: health insurance companies. Call Congress, tell them: don’t put insurance profits before health care. Support a real public option.

You didn’t know insurance companies “kill people each year”?

This is how MoveOn.org fights back against “rightwing extremists.”

Well, at least they didn’t run an ad comparing Mr. Obama morphing into Adolf Hitler, as they were wont to do with Mr. Bush.

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, August 12th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

31 Responses to “MoveOn Ad: Big Insurance Kills People”

  1. U NO HOO

    “And they kill people each year by denying coverage while profiting billions.”

    Progressive and GEICO are Democratic supporters.

    http://www.progressive.com/hea.....ealth.aspx

    http://www.healthquote360.com/.....ompany.php

    • catie

      I knew about Progressive with their cute little ads but I didn’t know about GEICO. Thanks for the 411.

  2. proreason

    but but but….

    Big Insurance and Big Pharma are Big Death Care proponents. They were bought off months ago.

    How tolerant of them to now agree to sacrifice their reputations at the Altar of Obamy.

    The arm-twisting and knee-breaking must have been Stalinesque.

    It’s hard not to wonder how managements of those companies are looking out for the shareholders by shilling for a plan that will quickly put them out of business (or should we say “putting them out of their current business models”).

    Could it be that management might just be looking out for management first, and shareholders second? After all, they all have an abiding respect for their own lives, families and fortunes, and there must be many fortunes to be made by the Commissars of DeathCare.

    • neocon mom

      Good piece this week by (again) John Stossel posted on RCP that discusses this (big pharma and big insurance behind Obamacare.)
      Why should they care about the end of their industry? It is not as if they are wedded to it. As long as they turn a pretty profit before they become defunct, they can justify enormous bonuses a la Franklin Raines. Shareholders and employees will lose.

  3. Liberals Demise

    Those that Big Insurance don’t immediately kill; will be killed off by NOBAMY CARE……….immediately!!

    • Rusty Shackleford

      A couple of days ago, listening about Blammo’s poll numbers, it came across my mind that he’s finally “jumped the shark” and this ad proves it.

      (For those not familiar with the TV-reference, it’s a colloquialism that when a show has had its last hurrah, it has “jumped the shark”, making reference to the sitcom, “Happy Days” When that show was really doing badly in the ratings, they wrote an episode wherein Fonzi jumps a shark on waterskis. [Fonzi wore the skis.] It didn’t save the show and it was canceled later that season.)

      I know, if you have to explain it, it’s not funny.

  4. MinnesotaRush

    Here’s an excellent piece on those “big bad insurance companies”! Long; but very good and informative!

    “Friday, August 7, 2009
    Health Insurance Profits
    One point that the government health care supporters have attempted to make over and over again is that the insurance companies are making obscenely large profits when they should be focused on giving that money to customers for health care needs. President Obama has recently spoken of health insurance firms “reap[ing] windfall profits” in this speech and many others. If these claims were true then I would most definitely agree. The facts, however, get in the way of their assertions about the profits of health insurance firms.

    First it is important to understand the difference between profit and profit margin. Profit is what’s left over after all of your costs and taxes are covered. Profit margin is the percentage of revenue that is left over after all costs and taxes are covered. For example, if the amount of money you take in from sales is $1,000 and you have $150 left over after all of your costs and taxes are covered then your profit margin is 15%. Ask yourself real quick, what do you think is an acceptable profit margin for a business to sustain? 10%? 20%? 30%? My guess is that most people would say that it is acceptable for a business to make $1 or $2 for every $10 they receive, putting their profit margin somewhere between 10% and 20%.

    Keep in mind the profit margin you think is acceptable for a business to sustain. Do you know what the profit margins are for some of the biggest health insurers in the U.S.? Inspired by a Wall Street Journal article yesterday, I did some research and found that the average profit margin in 2008 for four of the big guys, UnitedHealth Group, Aetna, Humana and WellPoint, was 3.6%. Yes, you read that correctly. For every $100 that one of these companies takes in they keep $3.60. Some people might say “well, the economy was a bad in 2008. They probably made 10+% the year before.” Nope. We would all agree that 2006 and 2007 were phenomenal years for the economy, and the average for the four companies was just over 5%.

    In contrast, Coca-Cola’s average three year profit margin for the same years was over 20%, and Apple, the company that makes your iPod, had a profit margin of 13.3%. Yes, these are companies that make discretionary items, but food isn’t. General Mills, the company that makes a lot of the cereals and other foods that you eat every day, had a profit margin almost twice as high as that of the insurance companies, 9.3%, over the same period. We need both health care and food to live, so why are we letting the company that makes Cheerios make profits twice as high as the “windfall[s]” of the health care companies?

    The truth is that the health insurance companies are not making outsized profits. Compared with many other companies their profit margins are very small. We have heard members of Congress, Obama and others say that we need a public “option” to compete with the private insurers. The private firms already compete with each other. If Aetna wants to expand into another state they must lease office space, hire employees and spend money complying with the individual state insurance mandates. If they take in $100 for a premium and pay out $100 for benefits, as Obama and many Democrats wish, then where do they get the money to do this? In order to fund expansion and compete the companies need profits. Profits are an essential element of competition. If the insurance companies did not make profits then you might be stuck with one insurance company in your state, but due to open markets (somewhat) and profits we have a range of companies to choose from. Regardless of this fact we still have people telling us that the insurance companies do not need to make profits and do not have enough competition. It just doesn’t make sense. Facts are pesky little things for the people attempting to lie to us, aren’t they?”

    • pdsand

      It’s comforting to see that Obama still hasn’t learned the meaning of “windfall profit”. I thought he was supposed to be the intelligent one?

    • JohnMG

      A person could write a very large book enumerating the things Obama hasn’t learned the meaning of yet.

    • U NO HOO

      MinnesotaRush:

      Do you have a citation for your very informative piece. I was under the impression that health insurance companies were raking it in.

    • ptat

      Just like evil Big Oil and their “obscene profits”. The left just doesn’t seem to have any understanding or appreciation for profit, even though many of our so called leaders (like Pelosi) are incredibly wealthy.

    • canary

      Minnesota, I think you pointed out something stupid Obamba’s have not considered. The insurance companies have got to keep a large margin profit in the bank. People don’t follow a quota as to illness or accidents. ma has considered. They have to keep a major portion of profit, . My company of many years, Premiums a bit lower than others, but co-pays and deductables and not real good.. One year they pulled the rug out of everyone, and had major increase their rates. But, the following year, they reduced them back, and added things they didn’t have before, like preventitive, flu vacines, lot’s better. So, I kept them. Sure I’d love the best care there is, but you don’t always get what you want. Some can afford the best, and that’s life.

    • U NO HOO

      Not to rain on a parade but how much of premiums is paid to health care providers?

      Low profits can be a result of high administration costs. You know, CEO salaries.

    • MinnesotaRush

      U NO HOO .. sorry but I failed to capture the source … got just the article. I can keep looking if need be. Mark Levin spoke about the very article on his show last nite, as well. The author indicates he was inspired by reporting in a WSJ article; but I’m not connected to that either. Let me know .. I’ll chase it further if need be.

      Some other thoughts that have come to me are: 1) If we like them or not .. the insurers (they aren’t knights on a white horse maybe, but they ain’t Satan either) .. when they pay our claims, they’re great! When they collect our premiums it’s too much and a bad thing. 2) Those big bad insurance companies pay huge dollars in taxes that won’t continue to be there as we ruin that industry, too. And 3) Insurance companies don’t survive off of premium dollars alone. They invest big time in big dollar stuff. Who’s going to stoke those economic engines when we ruin that industry?

      Just some random thoughts and ponderings. Sorry to ramble.

      Another ramble .. weren’t we told, too, that the car companies were rollin’ in the dough (obscene profits – during their history). The oil companies. The hospitals and doctors. Etc, etc …

      Everybody’s just rippin’ everybody off .. EXCEPT FOR, of course .. your good ol’ politicians and the gubamint. Right???

      End of rambling. God bless, all!

    • proreason

      “Low profits can be a result of high administration costs. You know, CEO salaries”

      Obviously, this is true.

      But in a truly free market, there is a check on admin costs and salaries getting out of hand. It’s called competition.

      Unfortunately, the health insurance market isn’t really free. It is controlled in many ways by the criminals in congress.

      Two of the main ways that happens is by blocking inter-state competition (which seems unconstitutional to me). Move across the border fron New York to Pennsylvania, and watch your health insurance premiums decline by nearly 50%. The other way is by mandating that the insurers cover obscure conditions that the legislators enforce to buy votes in their districts.

      Remove the restraints on free trade, and costs will decline dramatically.

      Note: this happens in every industry. For example, the two primary drivers of the Real Estate bubble were “Loans for Deadbeats” and the building restrictions in states like California and New York (which restrain free trade and drive up the cost of a house by more than 100%). Both of course are Libwit policies that 1. buy votes for the Libwit politicians and 2. insure that the Libwit’s homes are overinflated.

  5. canary

    Obama is a bully and a fear-monger. I asked a doctor today for his opinion, and he said the bill is bad, and that it means health care will be rationed out.

    • curvyred

      I have asked my dentist – that is his contention.

      I have asked my dear daughter’s pediatrician he believes that as well.

      I have asked my specialist and he says he is “very apprehensive” and has been left bewildered by the legislation proposed so far.

  6. canary

    I remember when walmarts started their 4 dollar prescription program, and other pharmacies started cheapie programs. That didn’t take Obomascare. Gosh, just think Ted Kennedy would have died already if he had Obamascare. Just thought of so many people without health care, that get free ambulance care too. Now they will say one heart attack is all you get.

    • proreason

      I was chatting with a local pharmacist yesterday. We use his pharmacy a lot because he actually formulates medicines, rather than just count pills from a jar. He has a very successful business for that reason, and because he offers other unique services.

      We were talking because my health plan is dropping him in September. He said the problem is cost, but he is still negotiating, so don’t despair.

      I said, just wait until ObamaCare kicks in.

      He said he will probably have to hire several new people, just to handle the paper-work.

      Now I know where the new jobs are going to come from.

      Bonus……his profits will decline.

      That’ll teach him.

      I haven’t seen his car, but I’ll bet it’s a nice one. Too nice.

    • U NO HOO

      I have three discount cards for prescriptions, AAA, Good Neighbor Pharmacy Savings Club ($12/year) and Together Rx Access Prescription Savings Program (free). I get Metoprolol for free from Astra_Zeneca.

      I don’t have any extreme conditions and most of my Rxs are generic.

      And, if I had problems or knew of someone with problems I would call the local Lions Club, the LIons would help in a second.

      Obama, reading this?

  7. GetBackJack

    Big Insurance DOES kill people, and quite regularly.

    Because adult men and women no longer understand they are responsible for their own well being. They look to someone else to pay their way. This leads to that fatal moment of Oh Shiite … I thought … when you pay let someone else take responsibility for you … you get what you deserve.

    Tater – love the video.

    I have a book suggestion for all of you, as someone who has worked in hospitals, who has medical professionals as friends, 30 years practice in natural medicine and knows a CCU nurse with 40 years experience who is my wife’s best friend with horror stories across the country as a Temp Professional …

    You need to QUIT protecting, quit defending Big Pharma and Big Medicine. Seriously. You need … to … stop … advocating … for …. the … status … quo. Listen to me. Stop this. MoveOne is a pile of excrement, but Big Pharma and Big Medicine is even worse by a factor of ten. MoveOn need a lethal injection, don’t misunderstand.

    http://www.amazon.com/Murder-i.....038;sr=8-7

    Scoff if you like, but if you haven’t yet recognized BIG is the root problem – in literally everything – I have no further arguments.

    • proreason

      It will be worse with government controlling everything.

      With health insurance, be it good or bad, you have a choice.

      With doctors and hospitals, be they good or bad, you have a choice.

      With government, there will be no choice. Everybody knows it.

      One story. Ms. Reason had a workman’s comp claim for a broken shoulder. 5% of Docs take workman’s comp. Only the incompetant ones. Doctor fell asleep twice while treating her. Couldn’t switch doctors. Couldn’t even find another one who would take Workman’s Comp because the list was years out of date. Finally called my state rep and asked if I had moved to Russia. Than we got a new doctor. But it was too late. The shoulder was beyond repair.

      I’m sure other people have even worse stories than that.

      And oh yes, for the record, I detest ALL insurance companies. At best, they are a necessary evil.

    • JohnMG

      Yep. BIG is the problem, alright. Just like BIG oil. Only thing is…..there ain’t no “little” oil and there ain’t no “little” insurance. And with Obamacare there won’t be anything but “government” insurance………..and oil, and autos, and food, and………..

      Got the picture yet? Everybody wants to tear a strip off of the oil companies until they pull up to the pump and there isn’t any gasoline. Now, substitute insurance for oil and hospital for pump.

      This is about unfettered power and control. And free markets don’t figure into the Moron’s plans, nor of those pulling the strings!

    • GBJ, I think you’re a little too cute by half, here. Before you launch off into those of us here who are trying to slow, maybe even halt our slide into collective HELL with socialized health care, you should pull your head out of your alternative medicine book of holistic remedies and think about the Amazon reference you use to buttress your argument.

      Your Amazon review states the book’s premise is that the problem is squarely one of GOV’T regulation and collusion with the AMA. No mention in it that a capitalistic company like any of the BIG PHARMA’s or BIG HEALTH’s want to kill people off so they have no customer base. Honestly, GBJ, why does a company want to kill off it’s paying customers? A gov’t will kill you because you’re old and no longer producing tax revenue quicker than a for-profit company which must live by it’s record would.

      In fact, here’s the direct review quote:

      “In this book he details the history of how control of the medicinal market has been won by the FDA and the AMA (and similar organizations in other Nations), and how the healing of citizens has been put in the hands of the Government rather than in the hands of the citizens themselves. Their choices for treatment have been downsized to that of Allopathic medicine, a way of trreatment that is relatively new, only a few hundred years old, if at that, as compared to medicine that has been practiced for thousands of years.”

      As JMG put it, GBJ, your…ellipses…and…sneers…against those of us who aren’t necessarily defending BIG anything but rather, are anti MONSTROUS tyranny by the gov’t fall flat because THERE AIN’T NO SUCH THING AS SMALL INSURANCE.

    • ptat

      BTW—isn’t Amazon “Big Retail”?

  8. Rusty Shackleford

    If you criminalize private health insurance, then only criminals will have private health insurance.

    Insurance companies don’t kill people. People kill people.

    “From my cold, dead hands”

  9. canary

    Pro Reason, the hiring of more people is probably right. I recall at the end of “Clinton’s” term, my specialist doctor (private practice) had diabetes and said he had to do all this new stuff the government was making him do, too stressful and he retired. Pharmacist told me they had to do alot of paper mess too, because of Clinton. One pharmacist chain I went for convience closed also complained. Starting with clinton the growing electronic stuff has been a mess, and not improved anything. I could go on,
    but point I was lost when Obama said he was going to make medical care better by making things electronically, because it’s already done. Nurses spend more times on computers than with patients.
    All I can think Obama must mean, is the “government” is going to be doing more electronically based medical care on people, causing two more times the amount. The sending end, and the government recieving end.

    And so I can’t even imagine Obama acting like he’s the one making everything electronic. VA already. Learned of this in ICU of private hospital and then they moved him to VA and the nurse there heard of it, and joked it’s ICU crazy condition. Things beeping constantly, does something to their brain.
    what they call a new medical condition called ICU Dementia. Nurse joked it’s called ICU crazy. Nurses are having to more work on computers, and less time to see patients. So, I had to do this prescritpion card that was a mess. And ended up 3 days, and I had to call number on card, give computer personal information, and then pharmasist took 45 minutes, saying the cards were driving them nuts. Finally, another came over and helped him.

  10. canary

    Obama said he did not even know how much his grandmother’s hip replacement cost, so it’s fair to say he was not guardian over medical or affairs. Two weeks after operation she starts falling downhill. (withing these two weeks there would be time period of healing in hospital, major operation, age, heart condition. So, comes home to die. Not taken to hospital when dying. Sister would have to have help lifting, so most likely lay there dying as Obama twice in interview did not want to see happen, and he didn’t. And he even waited several days after sister called and told him. He didn’t want to make same mistake, but in his Hopes he goes into detail of the fear in her eyes dying “alone”, leaves her to die too. So, twice he let’s the typical white women who raised him on their own at their death. He has no business even commenting on health care, yet alone making any decision. He only visited his grandma, cause it would have looked bad in the media.

    New York Times: By PETER BAKER Published: April 30, 2009
    WASHINGTON —

    As Mr. Obama recounted the story, his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, decided to have the surgery, but then, two weeks after the operation, everything went downhill.

    “I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost,” Mr. Obama said

    he went on to say: “If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life, that would be pretty upsetting.”

    ..On the other hand, if you just sit there with your hip like this, you’re just going to waste away and your qualify of life will be terrible.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05.....baker.html

    The Washington Post Barack Obama Arrives in Hawaii Oct 24 2008
    Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) walks off the plane after landing in Honolulu, Hawaii to visit his ailing grandmother. (Hugh Gentry/Reuters)
    By Robert Barnes HONOLULU —

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama arrived here today to attend to his gravely ill grandmother… touched down here early Friday

    He went straight from the airport to the modest, downtown apartment of the woman he calls Toot.. grandparent. His half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, has been caring for their Kansas-born grandmother and alerted Obama earlier in the week that she was in serious condition.

    She was recently released from the hospital with a broken hip and a heart condition.

    He has said before that he regrets not having the chance to say good-bye to his mother, who died of cancer in 1995,

    “She poured everything she had into me.”

    Obama plans to spend Friday with Dunham and his sister, leaving Hawaii in the late afternoon.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....awaii.html

  11. GetBackJack

    You astonish me.

    I bless you in the name of Christ. .




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