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NYers Under 30 Plan To Flee Due To Taxes

From the New York Daily News:

New Yorkers under 30 plan to flee city, says new poll; cite high taxes, few jobs as reasons

By Kenneth Lovett
Friday, May 13th 2011

ALBANY – … A new Marist College poll shows that 36% of New Yorkers under the age of 30 are planning to leave New York within the next five years – and more than a quarter of all adults are planning to bolt the Empire State.

The New York City suburbs, with their high property values and taxes, are leading the exodus, the poll found. Of those preparing to leave, 62% cite economic reasons like cost of living, taxes – and a lack of jobs.

We wonder if any economic studies have ever found a correlation between high taxes and a lack of job opportunities? Probably not, or we would have heard about it by now.

"A lot of people are questioning the affordability of the state," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion.

An additional 38% cite climate, quality of life, overcrowding, a desire to be closer to family, retirement or schools.

But won’t they miss the diversity? The ‘gorgeous mosaic’?

The latest census showed New York’s overall population actually increased, though parts of upstate shed population and jobs.

That is only because New York’s foreign born population, both legal and illegal, outstripped the number of people fleeing the state – for the moment.

A full 53% think the worst is yet to come for the state’s economy, while 44% say things should start improving.

And the members of the latter group are probably part of the 46% of the population who receive some form of government handout.

"As the state of the economy fails to recover, New Yorkers see this not as a sluggish rebound, but as a sluggish economy," Miringoff said…

So will these economically displaced young people still vote for Mr. Obama in 2012?

Unfortunately, the answer is probably ‘yes.’

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, May 13th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

13 Responses to “NYers Under 30 Plan To Flee Due To Taxes”

  1. proreason says:

    The problem is clear. Texas, Florida and many other southern and western states have taxes that are too low and allow the peons too much freedom.

    So the marxists will have to put a stop to all that.

    A good start would be if like there were natural disasters in those state, tornadoes, floods, fires and such. If the feds would just ignore them, it would send out a message, kind of Chicago-style you know, that either the rogue states shape up, or they won’t be feeding at the federal trough much longer.

    It might also help if the feds refused to enforce federal laws in those state, and maybe gave the good states all sorts of financial advantages with obamycare and stuff like that.

    Just some thoughts on how to bring the outlaw states into line.

  2. mr_bill says:

    The tragedy here is that those liberals fleeing their liberal-policy “utopias” will bring their warped thinking to places that have been preserved from the decimation of liberalism. They will seek to impose their high-tax, nanny-state, big-government agendas on those places they flee to. Yet they will not realize that their liberalism is responsible for making places like New York uninhabitable. It sounds like the life-cycle of a virus or a parasite: infest, suck the life out, destroy, move to new host, repeat.

    I’ll bet they are moving to red-states like Florida and Texas rather than liberal bastions like Minnesota, Illinios, Michigan, and Kal-ee-fon-ee-uh.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      It starts with streetlights. Living out in the sticks as I do, there is sometimes a “push” by “someone” who feels this area would benefit from having streetlights. Once the truth comes out, it is invariably some slicker who moved to the country to “get away from it all” yet, who also wants to bring “all” of it with him. Streetlights, sidewalks, public transportation, recycling, trash service, etc., etc. Then ten years goes by, then twenty and you see these things start to crop up. Always at cost to the taxpayers. And, the argument always seems to take on a curious bent; That of “selfishness” of the taxpayers who don’t want such trivialities in “hick-town”.

      The old arguments also crop up. “It’s for the poor, the helpless, the children”. Phagh! Ridiculous. It’s unbelievable that in our little town square where main street meets another, the main through-way that goes through town…is the only place you find a crosswalk, with a “handicapped-friendly” crossing signal and all that jazz. No, I’m not slamming the handicapped…not at all. But that intersection cost some ridiculous amount of cash to make. All the latest in techno-gizmology to just cross the street when it’s really not that busy at all. Sleepy little town and everything. Probably because “it’s the law”.

      Then, you see it to its logical conclusion: Detroit. Some day Detroit will enjoy a revival but only if unimpeded capitalism is allowed to flourish and workers spend more time working than fussing about their “rights” and bleeding their company and the economy dry. Urban blight never had to be. It never had to be that way. Unions, overbearing micromanagement of everything, corruption, inefficiency, more corruption and on and on and on.

      Actually, one can draw parallels again to the City of Rome in its heyday where 1/3 of the population there was slaves. There were nice areas, slums and lots of places somewhere in-between. A model of today’s modern cities. Areas where the taxes were the highest tended to see people move away. Imagine that!

      We apparently haven’t learned anything in the last 2,000 years. That’s one thing that (more or less) fascinates me about liberals and their inability to view history as the greatest teacher of all. The absolute arrogance to think they can do it so much better than it’s ever been done before! They are smarter, more clever, more able, more….everything. They act as though history didn’t have its own versions of, well, them. They mistake modern times for being more “advanced” times. They cannot even imagine what the world would be like taken in the context of the pages of the past. In other words, “things are more like they are now than they have ever been” so to speak. Sure, technology comes, and our lives are changed, but the inner workings of the human brain don’t change much. By studying ancient Rome, I can see how today’s “thinkers” aren’t any better, nor any worse than those of 2,000 years ago, or earlier. Nothing new under the sun is not just an expression to me. It’s a statement of fact. A new piece of technology may make us technically superior to our forebears but intellectually, as in the workings of day-to-day politics, little, if anything has changed.

    • Right of the People says:


      I’m with you. Back in the mid-eighties we lived in Concord NH. Although it was the state capitol, it was a nice, small town, even had a full service Sears and JC Penneys right on Main Street. The yuppies in Boston couldn’t afford to buy a house in Taxachusetts so they were migrating northward and eventually hit Concord, nearly 70 miles away. They destoryed the real estate market paying 5 even 10 times what a property was worth. They basically demanded a mall be built because the closest was in Manchester, 40 mile away.

      They wanted all the stuff they left in Boston. There even was a group that tried to get a handgun ban in Concord. At the time as long as you didn’t have a felony, if you filled out the paperwork a concealed carry permit was a sure thing. The delusional Mensa candidates even went around with petitions to the locals who mostly laughed at them. Even worse they wanted to institute a state sales and income tax! They said it was needed to fund “social” programs.

      The price of everything including groceries went up so did crime, especially drugs and murder then the first winter came and they discovered when the weather was bad, it took an average of 4 hours one way to commute. The following spring they all tried at once to sell their overpriced homes but no one was buying. Lots of the yuppies literally walked away from their high priced homes and defaulted on their mortgages to the tune of 2.3 billion in bad loans. On a Tuesday in October of 1988 thirteen banks closed and were sold for peanuts to various banks from out of state. These banks in turn in an attempt to recoup some of the lost revenue called in thousands of loans of people who had been faithfully paying on time for years. Something in the bankruptcy laws allowed the banks that bought the failing institutions to give people 90 days to pay in full and since no one was loaning money for real estate, thousands more lost their homes.

      Concord in reality hasn’t recovered fully yet. We still have friends there who are livelong residents who are barely making it. Thank the good Lord the part of Vermont we live in now is so far from civilization I doubt if it will ever happen here.

  3. JohnMG says:

    …..”As the state of the economy fails to recover, New Yorkers see this not as a sluggish rebound, but as a sluggish economy,” …….

    Doh!! I wonder what their first clue to that was? If you’ve got a brain at all you know there IS no rebound.

    Nonetheless, Obama and the MBM will spin this to his (their) advantage in an attempt to get him re-elected. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. That likely will include every minority constituency in this country.


    • Petronius says:

      JohnMG : “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

      Nietzsche : “Madness is rare in individuals — but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule.” (Beyond Good and Evil)

  4. GetBackJack says:

    I’ll go you one better – I won’t even fly over NYC.

  5. tranquil.night says:

    Hey at least their migration will be natural.

    Here in California we got people under thirty fleeing to Baja for the cheaper heroin prices. They’ve got their group-houses down there like illegals got here (minus the charity-funded taxi service to drive you wherever you want from the border).

    Can we turn off this episode of the Twilight Zone yet?

  6. beautyofreason says:

    It was a nice day in NYC today. Saw a protest of about thirty people chanting “free Puerto Rico,” holding signs in Spanish and waving Puerto Rican flags – no American flags of course. The day before there was some guy shouting on the loud speaker, couldn’t make out what he was saying – several police in the area. Turns out there was a protest of 10,000 organized by labor unions ….to stop Bloomberg’s spending cuts.

    NYC is a nice place..to go nuts. Mention a pleasant conservative talking point if a know-it-all decides to give you a dissertation on the military industrial complex in the check out line and you will get the stink eye.

    Not to bash the lot of ’em, but there are a lot of crazy, inconsiderate people here. Went to the grocery today and this woman was cursing under her breath continuously. Walked by a group of police officers outside of a building, distinctly heard one say “she has more hair than a Las Vegas stripper” (referring to my rather plain curly hair). I wasn’t wearing anything obnoxious either, just a plain coat and jeans. People can just be so foul here. The reality of living in such a compact space with so many people is not natural, probably not healthy for the psyche.

    New York is too often a place of extreme rich or poor – the poor work the labor jobs and live in the barest conditions in the outer boroughs with other laborers. That’s how many of the Muslims, illegals, and most minorities do it. The upper class white liberals live in their one or two bedroom apartments in specific swank neighborhoods and shops shielded from the urban decay. They don’t seem to have many children and the ones I do see have African American or Hispanic nannies that take them out in the mornings – it reminds me of when the aristocratic French women hired wet nurses because breast feeding was a lower class thing. The middle class that can get a decent job in suburbia go for it and leave the city to save money. The middle class surviving in NYC go to the outer boroughs, have roommates, and I assure you most of them struggle. And then the rest – homeless guys, the mentally ill, etc. just sort of walk the streets. You can go from a woman in designer clothing talking on a iphone to a guy in rags with a 2 month beard in about 3 seconds. The one boon to the city is that there are so many people – so many different places in sheer number, that you can eventually segregate yourself to the dots on the map that are of interest, pretend the rest doesn’t exist. I look forward to leaving. Not to offend any New Yorkers with my rant, but I’m missing southern charm, common sense, and buying a gallon of milk for less than five dollars.

  7. canary says:

    Get Back Jack, Ya think union thugs who tried to open flight exits, released for stress, were hired to send business to Penn Station and Am Track.?

    Obama is spending so much stimulus money that will directly benefit his U.S. home Chicago.
    The main hub should have been in Dallas TX.

  8. canary says:

    Beauty of Reason, I read where Obama wrote he lived in the Puerto Rico neighborhoods in NYC while attending Columbia. This may have been after he lived with the illegal muslim on two occasions when he was down on his luck, or his illegal roommate may have lived in the Puerto Rico area. His mom and sister stayed in a condo on Park Ave while her friends that owned it were out of country, because Obama was so rude to her and his half-sister. He was doing some construction work, for a summer job, and in a bad mood the entire time. His sister would not read the books he picked out for her too read. What a control freak. He was your typical muslim that looked down at women as beneath them. Angered him, they visited the statue of liberty and did what most people did when they visit NYC. Then he goes on to treat his wife like a doormat. The presidency saved their marriage.

    • beautyofreason says:

      Hi canary, nice to hear from you. :)

      “His sister would not read the books he picked out for her too read. ”

      LOL That sounds like Obama all the way. He seems like the kind of person who would publish a suggested reading list with his memoir at the top. I don’t know much about his marriage but it does seem that he is a very cautious politician and neglected his wife during his time in the Senate. I’m sure Michelle loves the attention of being a pseudo royal now, surrounded by paid advisors and makeup artists and nutritionists and people who set up the pedestal so that she can lecture the neighborhood on good nutrition. I don’t hold her responsible for anything though. I hold Obama responsible for his failures. As for his view of women, I am not surprised that he says “I’m a feminist” at a Democratic fundraiser to the batting eyelashes of his liberal supporters, yet he doesn’t say a single world about women’s rights when visiting the Middle East.

  9. Not so fast says:

    YOUNG PEOPLE! Instead of trying to find a place to flee, go to the voting booth for some TEA!

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