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NYT Says Hasan Has Second Hand PTSD

From the always understanding New York Times:

A news photographer records footage of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s apartment door in Killeen, Texas.

Painful Stories Take a Toll on Military Therapists


November 8, 2009

Many of the patients who fill the day are bereft, angry, broken. Their experiences are gruesome, their distress lasting and the process of recovery exhausting. The repeated stories of battle and loss can leave the most professional therapist numb or angry.

And hanging over it all, for psychiatrists and psychologists in today’s military, is the prospect of their own deployment — of working under fire in Iraq or Afghanistan, where the Pentagon has assigned more therapists to combat units than in previous wars.

That was the world that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, inhabited until Thursday, when he was accused of one of the worst mass shootings ever on a military base in the United States, an attack that killed 13 and left dozens wounded. Five of the dead were fellow therapists, the Army said.

Major Hasan’s motives are still being investigated. But those who work day in and day out treating the psychological wounds of the country’s warriors say Thursday’s rampage has put a spotlight on the strains of their profession and of the patients they treat.

Major Hasan was one of a thin line of military therapists trying to hold off a rising tide of need. So far this year, 117 soldiers on active duty were reported to have committed suicide. The Army has only 408 psychiatrists — military, civilian and contractors — serving about 553,000 active-duty troops around the world

Many military professionals, meanwhile, describe crushing schedules with 10 or more patients a day, most struggling with devastating trauma or mutilated bodies that are the product of war and the highly advanced care that kept them alive.

Some of those hired to heal others end up needing help themselves. Some go home at night too depressed to talk to their children…

Whatever the facts in Major Hasan’s case, some therapists who work with the military agree that the tragedy is likely to have a “lasting impact on how we look at mental health providers,” said Dr. Martin Paulus, a psychiatrist at the University of California, San Diego, and the Veterans Affairs San Diego Healthcare System.

The Army has added to their ranks in recent years, as the number of soldiers with the diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder has climbed to 34,000. But the shooting has raised a pressing question: Who counsels the counselors? Dr. Moore and other therapists who have worked in the military or for Veterans Affairs said that mental health evaluations of therapists themselves were virtually nonexistent.

“I have worked with the Army, the Navy, the V.A., and I’m not aware of any formal, systematic process to evaluate professionals,” said Dr. Andy Morgan, a psychiatrist at the National Center for P.T.S.D…

In studies of therapists working to soothe mental distress in victims of violence, whether criminal, sexual or combat-related, researchers have documented what is called secondary trauma: contact distress, of a kind. In one 2004 study of social workers on cases stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks, researchers found that the more deeply therapists were involved with victims, the more likely they were to experience such trauma. The same associations have been found in doctors working with survivors in war zones.

Dr. Hasan was reportedly facing his first deployment — a prospect that scares even trained fighters, many of whom become increasingly frantic before going to war, according to surveys

If it turns out that Major Hasan did in fact break partly under the stress of the job and impending deployment, many veterans would not be surprised

The New York Times is nothing, if not predictable.

Of course they had nary a concern for these doctors until one of their own needs a tailor made excuse. And here comes The Times to do the tailoring:

And hanging over it all, for psychiatrists and psychologists in today’s military, is the prospect of their own deployment — of working under fire in Iraq or Afghanistan, where the Pentagon has assigned more therapists to combat units than in previous wars.

Sure, we believe that psychiatrists and psychologists see a lot of combat.

The New York Times has told us so, so it must be true.

In studies of therapists working to soothe mental distress in victims of violence, whether criminal, sexual or combat-related, researchers have documented what is called secondary trauma: contact distress…

“Contact distress”? The Times is even willing to make up new diagnosis out of whole cloth to protect their heroes.

Funny how now of this explains Mr. Hasan’s internet postings or his passing out of Korans or his shouting of ‘Allahu Akbar!’

But we’re supposed to forget that any of that ever happened.

And of course if you only read The New York Times, you would never know it ever did happen.

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, November 8th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

11 Responses to “NYT Says Hasan Has Second Hand PTSD”

  1. catie says:

    When I heard this on Thursday (some supposed relative calling in and talking to Shep Smith) about “contact” PTSD I laughed. If that is the case, then why aren’t the spouses of those who suffer from PTSD, (something that everyone comes back with to some degree) going out & shooting up places yelling “allah akabar”? I’m suddenly very afraid that he’ll be deemed “insane” & unable to “fully participate” in his trial.
    And so it begins.

  2. GL0120 says:

    The only stress he suffered was from the idea of having to possibly kill other Muslims.
    What nonsense that a soldier becomes stressed out over the prospect of deployment to a combat zone. We have an all volunteer force and anyone who can’t make the connection between Armed Forces and actually having to fight is simply too damn stupid to be left on their own!
    Liberal wimps are constantly coming up with new disorders to excuse criminals and terrorists.
    An enormous debt of gratitude is owed to the police officer that managed to stop him, my only regret is that she was unable to kill him.

    • proreason says:

      “anyone who can’t make the connection between Armed Forces and actually having to fight is simply too damn stupid to be left on their own!”

      Isn’t that the most important point of all?

      He KNEW what going into the military meant….fighting the enemies of the US.

      Yet he did so, knowing full well that Muslims would be the primary target.

      So knowing that he would be a member of an armed force fighting Muslims, and being violently opposed to doing that, he joined the military anyway.

      How could he NOT be a Terrorist?

      The only other possibility is that he is an idiot. And how could an idiot have earned a degree in psychiatry?

      He is a Terrorist.

  3. sheehanjihad says:

    almost every disease needs a host to thrive. Without that host, the disease has nothing to suck the life out of, and invariably, it withers and dies. Such is the case with the disease of Islam.

    Islam could not exist as it does in this country without the perfect host of Political Correctness. Because of the constraints imposed by such a moronic ideal, Islamists can and do thrive here, regardless of their intent.

    Because of PC, Hasan was allowed to fester, infect, and eventually kill the very host that embraced his murderous ideology. The fault lies not with those who exist with the very real intent of becoming a martyr for Allah, it lies directly with weak leaders who pander to a false sense of “inclusion” and “diversity.

    Hasan was able to kill unarmed and innocent people simply because the Military, in it’s totally misguided attempt to be “tolerant”, allowed a psycho killer to become entrenched even though people who knew him warned them repeatedly that he was a “ticking time bomb”, and their astounding lack of recognizing the obvious got people killed.

    Why is it that a Petty officer 1st is busted down a grade and spend weekends in the brig or restricted to base for getting in a bar fight, and this complete and utter muslim fanatic is allowed to spout his beliefs willy nilly and not be so much as talked to? What the F*CK????

    It’s because the brass is infected with the malady of PC…..and by not treating that infection, they allow, no, even encourage the cancer of Islam to flourish while they hide under their desks so as not to blow their chances for promotion.

    Islam cannot and should not be tolerated in our military. I dont give a rat’s ass who gets offended. Eliminate the host, eliminate the infection, and remain healthy. To do anything contrary to that invites the plague and horrible death to take hold, and infect the entire body, with the inevitable result that people will die for Allah, and not for their country.

    It is appalling…and the Joint Chiefs need to grow a pair, and step up where others fear to tread, and eliminate the germs that are causing this outbreak of death. It is their job. It’s what they are supposed to do. Protect this country, protect it’s soldiers, and protect our way of life.

    There is flat out no excuse to do otherwise….and hoping it wont happen again will invite the next jihadist to do even better…..dont react..ACT!!! Dont wait for a higher body count to jolt you into reality! FIX IT !!!

    How can you expect our soldiers and sailors to fight Islamic Terrorism when you wont do it yourself? In your own house?? FIX IT! Stop this nonsense, and get the job done.

    Or it will be done for you……trust me on that one.

  4. Petronius says:

    Oh, woe, woe, woe, woe! So much existentialist angst at the New York Times! Just look at all that morbid diction:

    “bereft, angry, broken …. gruesome, the distress …. numb or angry …. wounds … rampage … a thin line … a rising tide …. suicide … crushing … struggling … devastating trauma … mutilated bodies … war … depressed …. tragedy … scares … frantic … impending ….”

    Reminds me of the old Woody Allen, Diane Keaton flick, “Play It Again, Sam” (Paramount Pictures, 1972):

    WOODY ALLEN:  That’s quite a lovely Jackson Pollock, isn’t it?

    GIRL IN MUSEUM:  Yes it is.

    WOODY ALLEN:  What does it say to you?

    GIRL IN MUSEUM:  It restates the negativeness of the universe, the hideous lonely emptiness of existence, nothingness, the predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity, like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void, with nothing but waste, horror, and degradation, forming a useless bleak straightjacket in a black absurd cosmos.

    WOODY ALLEN:  What are you doing Saturday night?

    GIRL IN MUSEUM:  Committing suicide.

    WOODY ALLEN:  What about Friday night?

    GIRL IN MUSEUM: [leaves silently]


    • proreason says:

      Yeh, but the the museum girl has the redeeming quality of being straight, and hot.

      The Slimes reporters are all ugly, and queer.

  5. Gladius et Scutum says:

    Since my wife is a clinical psychologist who treats PTSD veterans, I guess I should just quote her response to the article.
    “Bullshit – he was a terrorist.”

  6. canary says:

    The NYT “researchers have documented what is called ’secondary trauma’: contact distress, of a kind.”

    Think NYT is making this up.

    The term secondary trauma, secondary victimization, secondary wounding is just an informal level 3 phase the military refers to (no diagnose or code for it) a problem that a diagnosed individual with PTSD suffers experiences caused by military authorities that deny the individual has it, family, people, who have no understanding. A family member saying “but it’s been a year, you should be over it”. Or what’s wrong with you, you’re not in Iraq anymore. “you should be over it by now”. It’s a life-long struggle, depending on the individuals environment. Bang sounds can bring on an PTSD episode. Avoiding people.

    If Hasan had PTSD he would not be able to see patients with PTSD, without it causing him PTSD symptoms. The military has some 300 symptoms (many many physical symptoms) Hasan would not be able to attend a mosque daily, report to work daily. He would not be avoiding going to Afganistan, he would avoid even being with patients with PTSD.

    PTSD, a diagnose with a code number in the DSM-IV 309.81 (think military still uses the DSM-IV), but all the computerized medical b.s. most insurance and doctor’s use the ICD-9 or 10 which is still the same number. Both are universal and international diagnosis and codes. The ICD-10 is slightly different than the the DSM-IV as to the waiting period after an individual has suffered a severe life threatening traumatic event, in which until it passes, and the other criteria required for the diagnose is met, is usually “acute anxiety”. It is not a personality disorder. Once called shell shock, called combat fatigue when I served, then renamed Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome (code numbers changed) when it was renamed as it is today Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, though it is ‘not’ a personality disorder. It’s more of a permanent injury to the brain. It is classified as a brain injury.

    If Hasan had PTSD the muslims and Koran would scare him, and trigger his PTSD. lol.

    ACCORDING TO THE MILITARY & HASAN’S present Medical colleages, the props the military are telling to speak to the military, one a middle-eastern
    1. Doctor, who said statements that HASAN was kind, gentle, and no problems he ever saw.
    2. Today another present colleague (Did not catch her title) made repeated statements that said she never saw any hint or sign there was anything wrong with HASAN.
    3. Doctors that go to war, are kept safe. It’s the medics that are in danger.

    My primary MOS in the military (secondary was 91B) was behavioral science specialist. I’m not a doctor. At the time, they called it Combat Fatigue (was shell shock) then they called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, then they called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

  7. Liberals Demise says:

    Can I have 3 minutes with Major Hasan ……alone?

    Afterward, ya’ll can analyze why I did what “I” did!

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