Shocker: Illegals Don’t Have US Citizen Rights!
From who else but those champions of new Democrat voters hardworking immigrants at the New York Times:
[NYT caption:] DIFFERENT RULES A federal raid aimed at illegal immigrants in Long Island last month angered local officials who objected to the lack of warrants.
No Need for a Warrant, You’re an Immigrant
By JULIA PRESTON
LONG ISLAND officials protested when federal agents searching for immigrant gang members raided local homes two weeks ago. The agents had rousted American citizens and legal immigrants from their beds in the night, complained Lawrence W. Mulvey, the Nassau County police commissioner, and arrested suspected illegal immigrants without so much as a warrant.
“We don’t need warrants to make the arrests,” responded Peter J. Smith, the special agent in charge in New York for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, the agency that conducted the raids.
His concise answer helps explain the friction that the Bush administration’s recent campaign of immigration enforcement has caused. Last week, immigration officials announced that they had made more than 1,300 arrests across the country over the summer when they went looking for gang members. Since the raids were carried out under immigration law, many protections in place under the American criminal codes did not apply. Foreign residents of the United States, whether here legally or not, answer to a different set of rules.
Immigration agents are not required to obtain warrants to detain suspects. The agents also have broad authority to question people about their immigration status and to search them and their homes. There are no Miranda rights that agents must read when making arrests. Detained immigrants have the right to a lawyer, but only one they can pay for.
While criminal suspects are generally sent to jails near the courts that hear their cases, immigration agents have discretion in deciding where to hold immigrants detained for deportation. Many suspected illegal immigrants who were detained in Nassau County, for example, were quickly moved to York, Pa., distant from family and legal advice.
This parallel course for noncitizens is not new. But it has come into fuller view as the enforcement drive has swept up record numbers of illegal immigrants, also reaching legal immigrants and citizens. In answer, a barrage of lawsuits is challenging both the laws and their enforcers…
Immigration law remains founded on the notion that immigrants are not full members of American society until they become citizens, writes Professor Kanstroom, who is also a practicing immigration lawyer. The reduced protections in modern-day law were shaped by some of the darker episodes of the 20th century, he writes, including the prosecution of immigrant dissidents, like the Australian union leader Harry Bridges, in the 1930s; and the mass roundups of Mexican workers in the 1950s.
Arising from that landscape, the courts that handle immigration cases are part of the Justice Department, not the judiciary. Even immigrants who have lived here legally for many years, lawyers said, can run afoul of the immigration laws with minor infractions or misdemeanors. A late filing of visa renewal papers or a shoplifting citation can quickly spiral into an order for the ultimate penalty: deportation. Immigrants who fight the orders have more limited bail rights than American criminals and can spend years behind bars while their cases inch through the overburdened court system…
There are sharp differences among legal experts and law enforcement officials about the limited protections in the immigration laws, many of which have been upheld over the years by the Supreme Court. Officials point out that the majority of the people deported last year entered the country illegally or plainly had lost any claim to legal status, including thousands of convicts.
“Immigration law enforcement is all about getting you to where you belong, which is outside the United States,” said Jan C. Ting, a law professor at Temple University who is a former assistant commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the precursor to ICE. He pointed out that immigration laws are civil codes, not criminal. “A lot of constitutional protections that one would normally expect in a criminal case do not necessarily apply,” he said.
Professor Ting says ICE agents are well within their authority to question people they come across in the course of a raid, even if they are not its targets, and detain them as suspects.
But new legal challenges are seeking to restrain ICE’s powers. A lawsuit in Tennessee challenges raids where agents teamed up with a county sheriff to search trailer parks, forcing their way without warrants into Hispanic immigrants’ homes. In a suit against ICE in Texas, seven citizens and legal immigrants contend their rights were violated in raids last year at Swift & Company meatpacking plants…
The basic laws of our country seem to have come as a nasty shock to the legal scholars at the New York Times.
Immigration law remains founded on the notion that immigrants are not full members of American society until they become citizens…
What an outrage.
The reduced protections in modern-day law were shaped by some of the darker episodes of the 20th century, he writes, including the prosecution of immigrant dissidents, like the Australian union leader Harry Bridges, in the 1930s; and the mass roundups of Mexican workers in the 1950s.
Would that be Harry Bridges the Communist rabble rouser who was prosecuted by successive Presidents FDR, Truman and Eisenhower for his non-stop union thuggery?
And would that horrific ”mass roundup of Mexican workers” be the completely lawful and highly effective “Operation Wetback,” which deported approximately 80,000 Mexican nationals in less than a year? And which convinced another 500,000 - 700,000 illegal aliens to go home?
Ah, those were “darker episodes” indeed. We certainly can’t anyone enforcing our nation’s laws, can we?
But hopes springs eternal in the breast of the “paper of treason.”
With the NYT’s championing, the ALCU and other taxpayer supported 501c3 charities will soon be able to sue away all of those hidebound, pettifogging distinctions like “citizen” or “taxpayer.”
After all, there are votes to be harvested for their DNC masters. And to hell with everything else.
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October 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
I just wish that more people felt as I do - deport ‘em all - man, woman, child and Toto too - so that there are no emotional scars of being kicked out OUR country. In reality, I’d be for a shoot to kill on the border but that is just me - a mine field would work just as good. Heck right now just building the dumb fence would work.
ICE actually enforcing standing laws - is a nice first step.
So let’s see -
1) Shamnesty fails - Americans turned ugly on their tax dollars and rights being given away to people flying native country flags & speaking in their native tongues being called ‘undocumented citizens’ - strike one.
2) Surrender At All Costs fails - Once again Americans turn ugly on their tax dollars being wasted to prove a lie and their heroic sons and daughters being called idiots by the insane - strike two.
3) For the Swindlers (Bogus) Children’s Healthcare Expansion fails - And again Americans turn ugly on their tax dollars being handed out to people who make more money than they do and of course criminal illegal aliens - strike three.
Doesn’t that mean that the Congress must now retire and let someone who knows the real rules of the game and can play it - to return to the mound to make something productive and sane of this 110th Congress - or are Pelosi and Reid really that insane as to take them down into single digit (and history) - as the worst Congress ever?
October 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
I think more Americans feel as you do than you know. The ONLY people I know who aren’t all for border security and deportation are . . .illegal aliens and the children of illegals.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
I listened to Stretch Pelosi this morning on some talk show. All she did was mouth the same old Dem talking points , never bothered to answer the question asked of her. Hell, a damn tape recorder could have done the same thing and looked better doing it.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
1st….Her puppy dog, Steny Hoyer, was on Fox this afternoon doing the same routine. BTW, what kind of a man calls himself “Steny”? I was close to puking listening him talk about how the United States just could not stand by and not call “genocide” “genocide”. Like the people killed 100 years ago really give a crap. Lying prick.
October 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I have sent many letters to Congress. My opinion was to just leave the law as it is, until a ‘real’ future Congress gets back from Iraq and Afghanistan. These future Congress men and women have seen true Hell and know how to deal with it. They are the most intelligent military ever in History. I am counting on theor ‘common sense’ and real world experience to turn this nation around. “God Bless Our Troops”. Remember there are hundreds of thousands of them and they will run for political office all over this nation. They will also replace our ‘Media Moguls’ as well as journalists, University professors and teachers. I can hardly wait. Also Bless this USA in spite of what we have done to ourselves since the 60’s. daflikkers.blogspot ‘URL’ it
October 14th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Blogengeezer…. I like the way you think. I can’t wait for that day either as our Troops are among the most qualified and trustworthy Americans to run Congress these days. (Apart from the true Conservatives, fighting the good fight here at home!)
I hope that we see most of the old dinosaur Politicians get voted out of office this next election. I have been listening to John Kerry blah,blah,blah ever since I was in college and he has yet to say anything constructive or forward thinking to help America. Reid, Pelosi, and the whole clan seem to live in a different Country than I do. They are so out of touch with reality and their reality is destroying America. And, dividing it too!
October 15th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Wardmama4,
We could appease the pc crowd with a Nile Crocodile (substitute American Alligators if the enviros complain about non-native species) breeding program on the Rio Grande and some sort of endangered Hyena breeding program (substitute large packs of Mexican Wolves and large numbers of pumas if the enviros complain) in the desert. This would probably be as effective as land mines to supplement the fence and easier to get through congress.
October 15th, 2007 at 1:07 am
In the glow of this unexpected progress, let’s not forget that the same set of rules apply to those in Camp Gitmo if the designation “enemy combatant” is ever discontinued.
While I personally believe that habeas corpus should never be unavailable to those in custody, there are plenty of laws that restrict its use and they have all been ruled constitutional.
But beyond that, if I can just spout off a bit, shooting at a member of the US military (in or out of war zones) should be an automatic acceptance of military jurisdiction and the system thereof by the shooter. I would even hold that a robbery of an active military member at a shopping mall places the perp under the jurisdiction of the military.
I’ll be quiet now.