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NYT: Russians Warned US ‘At Least Four Times’

From the New York Times:

2 U.S. Agencies Added Boston Bomb Suspect to Watch Lists


WASHINGTON — Despite being told in 2011 that an F.B.I. review had found that a man who went on to become one of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings had no ties to extremists, the Russian government asked the Central Intelligence Agency six months later for whatever information it had on him, American officials said Wednesday.

After its review, the C.I.A. also told the Russian intelligence service that it had no suspicious information on the man, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed in a shootout with the police early last Friday. It is not clear what prompted the Russians to make the request of the C.I.A.

The upshot of the American inquiries into Mr. Tsarnaev’s background was that even though he was found to have no connections to extremist groups, his name was entered into two different United States government watch lists in late 2011 that were designed to alert the authorities if he traveled overseas.

The picture emerging Wednesday was of a counterterrorism bureaucracy that had at least four contacts with Russian spy services about Mr. Tsarnaev in the year before he took a six-month trip to Russia in 2012, but never found reason to investigate him further after he returned…

Wouldn’t four contacts from the Russian spy services be a tip off that he might be connected to extremist groups? The Russians clearly knew something about him to make them so concerned.

After the C.I.A. cleared him of any ties to violent extremism in October 2011, it asked the National Counterterrorism Center, the nation’s main counterterrorism agency, to add his name to a watch list as a precaution, an American intelligence official said Wednesday. Other agencies, including the State Department, the Homeland Security Department and the F.B.I., were alerted.

That database, the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or TIDE, contains about 700,000 names. It is the main repository from which other government watch lists are drawn, including the F.B.I.’s Terrorist Screening Database and the Transportation Security Administration’s “no fly” list.

Which would tend to indicate that this list is so vast as to be practically useless. And, in any case, it’s clear he wasn’t being watched, or he would not have been able to fly back into the country undetected. Or assemble such an arsenal.

The information conveyed to the watch list included a transliteration from Cyrillic of Mr. Tsarnaev’s name — “Tamerlan Tsarnayev” — two dates of birth (both incorrect, officials said), and one possible variant spelling of his name.

The first Russian request came in March 2011 through the F.B.I.’s office in the United States Embassy in Moscow. The one-page request said Mr. Tsarnaev “had changed drastically since 2010” and was preparing to travel to a part of Russia “to join unspecified underground groups.”

But Americans had no reason to believe that he was involved with any terrorist organizations. Exactly what kind of evidence do they require before they keep closer tabs?

In response, counterterrorism agents in the F.B.I.’s field office in Boston, near where Mr. Tsarnaev was living, began a review to determine whether he had extremist tendencies or ties to terrorist groups. The review included examining criminal databases and conducting interviews with Mr. Tsarnaev and his family…

Did they talk to mom?

The official said the Russians never provided any additional information on Mr. Tsarnaev until after he was killed as he and his brother, Dzhokhar, tried to evade police officers who were chasing them in Watertown, Mass…

So now they have provided more information? What is it?

In any case, this might be a good place to point out that once those 11 million illegal aliens become legalized under the Senate’s ‘Gang Of 8’ plan, there will then be very strict limits on how much counter-terrorism agencies can track them.

Counter-terrorist agencies like the FBI and the CIA are extremely limited as to how much they can track legalized Americans (not just citizens). Which is what happened with Tamerlan, who was only legalized, but not a citizen.

In fact, as it is now, one of the most effective counter-terror tools that cops have is the ability to deport foreigners they suspect of terror activities.

This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, April 25th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

2 Responses to “NYT: Russians Warned US ‘At Least Four Times’”

  1. GetBackJack says:

    When our agencies have to rely on the Russians …..

  2. Mithrandir says:


    1. People who hate America DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN to frustrate the population with onerous regulations, opposite thinking, insane policies, increased taxes, TO SHOW that DEMOCRACY JUST DOESN’T WORK.

    2. Terrorism ALLOWS the government the excuse to pass legislation increasing their own power, when the immune system (the voters) ordinarily would be opposed to power grabs.

    3. When the system fails, on purpose or by accident, it give politicians the opportunity to expand agencies, collect more taxes, and provide more desk jobs FOR THEIR OWN VOTING BLOCS.

    It’s a win-win all the way around for government. Don’t think for a second that government actually cares if your are injured during a city marathon or not, they don’t.

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