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Obama Budget – Fake Cuts, More Taxes

From an unquestioning Associated Press:

Obama unveils $3.73 trillion budget for 2012

By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
February 14, 2011

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is sending Congress a $3.73 trillion spending blueprint that pledges $1.1 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade through spending cuts and tax increases.

Obama’s new budget projects that the deficit for the current year will surge to an all-time high of $1.65 trillion. That reflects a sizable tax-cut agreement reached with Republicans in December. For 2012, the administration sees the imbalance declining to $1.1 trillion, giving the country a record four straight years of $1 trillion-plus deficits.

Senior administration officials say Obama would achieve two-thirds of his projected savings through spending cuts that include a five-year freeze on many domestic programs. The other one-third of the savings would come from tax increases, including limits on tax deductions for high-income taxpayers

In addition to cutting deficits, Obama’s new budget would increase spending in selected areas such as education, infrastructure spending and research and development — areas where the administration believes spending must be boosted for the country to remain competitive in the global economy

Because throwing more money at education and infrastructure and research has always worked in the past. Just look at ‘the stimulus.’

[Jacob Lew, the president’s budget director] rejected criticism that the $1.1 trillion deficit-cutting goal fell far short of the $4 trillion in deficit cuts outlined by the president’s own deficit commission in a plan unveiled last December. The commission urged an attack on the biggest causes of the deficits — spending on the benefit programs Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security — and defense spending

What "deficit commission"? That was a campaign stunt. Did the Associated Press actually take that seriously?

While the administration’s budget will propose freezing domestic programs that account for about one-tenth of the total budget, some programs in this category will also see sizable declines in spending.

Mr. Obama is not even addressing ‘entitlement’ spending. Which accounts for more than 60% of federal spending. He is not even trying to fake being sincere.

Community development block grants would be trimmed by $300 million, the government’s program to help low-income people pay their heating bills would be cut in half for a savings of $2.5 billion and a Great Lakes environmental restoration program would be cut by 25 percent to save $125 million.

The budget will propose $1 billion in cuts in grants for large airports, almost $1 billion in reduced support to states for water treatment plants and other infrastructure programs and savings from consolidating public health programs run by the Center for Disease Control and various U.S. Forest Service programs.

The administration will also propose saving $100 billion over a decade from Pell Grants and other higher education programs through belt-tightening, with the savings used to keep the maximum college financial aid award at $5,550, according to an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of the budget’s Monday release…

Yes, we can see how cuts to home heating oil, clean water treatment and college grants would just sail through Congress. In reality Mr. Obama chose these cuts because he knew they would never happen.

He is that cynical.

This article was posted by Steve on Monday, February 14th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

36 Responses to “Obama Budget – Fake Cuts, More Taxes”

  1. Rusty Shackleford says:

    “That reflects a sizable tax-cut agreement reached with Republicans in December.”

    Say whut?

  2. River0 says:

    I’m afraid we’ll have to let Obummer and his corruptocrats have their way and give them all the rope they want to hang themselves. There’s not enough outcry from ordinary Americans to dissuade them from issuing this steaming pile of effluvium they call a “budget”. The dollar and the economy will have to bottom-out before the nation comes to its senses.

    When the collapse comes, the Ruling Class Dems will receive all the blame they deserve.

    If we Tea Party people press for deep cuts without backing from a solid majority of citizens, we’ll just play into the hands of our enemies.

  3. proreason says:

    Well said, Steve.

    Just one minor point of disagreement. He isn’t being cynical. As a malignant narcissist, he believes what he says. Actually, it’s even more than that. By just saying it, in his mind, it becomes the truth. It’s a delusion beyond any delusion the world has seen since the Pharoes declared themselves to be gods.

    This is the most dangerous person to appear on earth since Stalin and Mao died.

  4. untrainable says:

    I find it interesting that under the Oblamer Regime spending numbers are always referred to as how much we’re going to invest this year (on “infrastructure” or some other nebulous catagory), but when they talk about cuts it is always referred to as how much we will save over the next 10 or 15 years.

    The patterns of his lies are established. If people go back and look at what Obie has said versus what has happened there is no denying how destructive the man is to America.

  5. tranquil.night says:

    Mission: “Austerity”
    Objective: Handcuff and erode the Pentagon and Military, while impugning and ignoring any imminently necessary domestic cuts.

    • proreason says:

      The guiding principle is to reduce the wealth of the country.

      Serfs don’t revolt. They can’t.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Oh, most certainly. At this point all they really care about is preventing the Republicans from getting anything the people demanded done. Because everyone knows that if nothing gets done the ship is going to sink, which is what they want.

      But if they can strike some ‘centrist, bi-partisan’ budget deals along the way that cripple the military while doing effectively nothing to address the domestic problem, all the better yeah?

      Serfs also can’t revolt with the strongest and most respected military unable to safeguard the people and the constitution. Egypt is a golden case; the pivotal point came when the military refused to crackdown (and even tried to protect protestors from secret police and government thugs).

  6. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    Current deficit levels are around $1.5 trillion a year and rising, or as Johnny Cash put it, three feet high and rising. Over ten years that is $15 trillion dollars. I sure am glad he is going to reduce that to a mere $13.9 trillion for a grand total of $27.9 trillion debt by 2021.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Yup, sorta puts the “alligator analogy” in a more clear light.

      “When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp

      Oddly, it just came to me that one, Nancy Pelosi had something to say about that. Thankfully, she has been mostly silent these past couple of months.

  7. Petronius says:

    This is disappointing but not unexpected.

    In January, China’s President Hu Jintao came to the White House where he called the US dollar a “product of the past.” That the American president, our state-controlled media, and the American public took scant notice is a sorry comment on the deplorable state of American affairs. These days we don’t even seem to have enough sense to know when we’ve been insulted.

    Moody’s, S&P, and Fitch ratings agencies have each threatened to cut the US’s AAA rating. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is calling for abandoning the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. But most people in American government are not listening. Except for Dr Rand Paul and other Tea Party Republicans, leadership is non-existent.

    We are presently in the midst of the greatest government spending spree, debt creation, and money creation in history. This activity is the direct cause of inflation, which is now being felt worldwide. Everything we own has lost value, and everything we need to buy has become more expensive.

    Until recently, US debt has been readily absorbed by foreign countries, mainly China, Japan, the UK, and oil exporters. This is no longer true. They have curtailed their purchases.

    The Fed is now buying US debt to cover the unprecedented spending spree. It buys US Treasury bonds by creating new money out of thin air. In other words, the Fed is monetizing the growing national debt.

    This is about as fiscally unhealthy as things could be. It is something you would ordinarily expect to see only in economically backward or impoverished war-torn countries.

    As a result of money creation and monetization of debt, the US dollar will continue to fall and interest rates will begin to rise. Long term rates are already moving up, and stand at a 10-month high. The problem is that as interest rates rise, the debt grows larger. Currently the Federal government cannot pay the interest on the public debt, and it is borrowing and printing money to do so. As interest rates rise on the debt, the government has to borrow more, and the country gets sucked into a vicious downward spiral.

    Our government is broken. Our rulers (including the business-as-usual, big-government Republicans) either do not understand and appreciate the size of the fiscal and monetary crisis — or they don’t care. Either they do not understand basic economics — or they don’t care. Or perhaps they actually do understand, but lack the courage of their convictions. And perhaps some of them actively wish to destroy America. Certainly a strong case can be made that Nerobama does. Be that as it may, whatever the reasons for their mismanagement, it is becoming apparent that they have betrayed the American people.

    There is now an excellent chance that politicians on both sides of the aisle will come to be regarded as incompetents, criminals, or worse.

    We are at the point of no return. As a result of their profligate spending policies, the Liberals have bankrupted America. The current public debt of $14.1T (not counting entitlements) is over 97% of GDP. This means that the American economy cannot grow fast enough to keep up with the compounding interest on the public debt. When unfunded obligations for entitlements are counted — Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare, etc. — the debt becomes astronomical. The current rate of government spending (Federal and State combined) is 46% of GDP. There is no way that a $14T economy can carry that spending level and that debt load into the future. Especially not with rising interest rates. Not ever. No way.

    Continued spending at the level proposed leaves us with only two ugly choices — default on the national debt, or to accelerate devaluation of the currency through more money creation and inflation.

    Either path is going to wipe out wealth, damage the economy, and generate widespread social unrest. It is also going to generate hatred for the American government and for our rulers, both Republicans and Democrats.

    Rapidly rising food prices have already collapsed governments in Tunisia and Egypt.

    More inflation will drive commodity prices still higher. And the higher that commodity prices go, the more political unrest we will see.

    Despite what Bernanke says, inflation is building worldwide. Money creation is the direct cause of price inflation and we’re now seeing it first hand, along with the political repercussions.

    A deficit is a tax on the future. Therefore, further attempts will doubtless be made to raise taxes. Even some Republicans will agree on the need, if not the type of tax. They will tell us they have no choice. But even if those taxes are implemented, they will not be enough. The saturation point has already been reached. There is simply not enough wealth left in America that is readily available for confiscation that will support this debt and spending level. Besides, if they go too far, and begin to confiscate capital, they will destroy the economy immediately. The economy will implode. The markets will tank.

    Default on the national debt is probably not in the cards. Our rulers don’t wish to be seen as rulers of a bankrupt country, of a two-bit, over-ripe banana republic. So they will opt for currency inflation. This means they will ruin the dollar in order to pay off the debt. This means that the debt crisis will become a monetary crisis. In fact, it’s already happening now, but they’re not yet prepared to admit it. Sooner or later, however, they will have to face the American idiocracy. And this time there will be nothing standing between the governors and the pitchforks.

    At some point the Ruling Class is going to be met with massive popular outrage. There will be demands that our rulers step down, something along the same lines as we now see in Egypt. Only worse.

    It will be interesting to see whether they can ruin the dollar without also destroying the financial system, the economy, the political system, and the entire country.

    • proreason says:

      Michael Medved and Bill O’Reilly think you are nuts, Peronius.

      They think little lenin is totally dedicated to making the United States a better place.

      As for inflation, I watch grocery store prices very carefully, since that is one element of my cost structure that I have a bit of control over. For two years after Soros/11 (i.e., Sept/Oct 2008), grocery prices were very stable, possibly even lower than in Aug 2008. But in the last 3 or 4 months, there has been a dramatic turnaround. No item has decreased in that time. About 50% have increased, In addition, there has been observable downsizing in packaging (i.e., something used to be $2.40 for 6, now is $1.80 for 4….6-pack no longer available), and sale items that were also always available at one store or another are no longer to be had (i.e., cola, paper towels, toilet paper). Overall, this is in the neigborhood of a 10% increase in food prices in less than 4 months, perhaps a 15% increase. Inflation is here now.

      Also, my auto insurance jumped up 16% this year after being stable for 4 years. This probably is a reflection of Obamycare more than inflation, since Obamycare is driving medical costs through the roof. I’ll know better when the home insurance bill comes in. My hunch is that will be 3 to 7% higher..

    • Petronius says:

      The bond market is still a free market. And it is much bigger than the stock market. The bond market hates inflation. When inflation occurs, long-term interest rates go up, and bond prices fall. Bonds have been falling for about 6 months now. And the 30-year rate is at a 10-month high. The rate is still historically low, but the trend line is definitely moving up.

      The prices for all commodities are up strongly (except lumber, which is tied to the construction industry, and which remains depressed). Many commodities are hitting record highs.

      The US dollar has lost 20 percent of its purchasing power in the last ten years, and is poised to fall lower.

      Bernanke still insists that inflation is not happening, at least not on a worrisome level. However, inflation in the US is calculated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics using the Consumer Price Index. The CPI is used to determine COLAs for Social Security, Federal pensioners, and to set the interest rate on TIPS. The CPI also has rub-off effects for the stock market, union salary agreements, private sector pension plans, and so forth. Unfortunately, however, the BLS reconfigured the CPI some years ago, with the result that it is no longer an accurate yardstick to measure inflation. Now the CPI measures inflation after subtracting out the most important factors: food, energy, and the majority of healthcare costs. The effect is to sharply underestimate the true rate of inflation.

      Bill O’Reilly will always be one of those people who do not understand basic economics. These days he also rolls over for Nerobama’s left-wing spin. As a result, I’ve given up on the No-Spin Guy, and prefer to watch Greta and the business channels.

    • proreason says:

      Note that the items removed from cpi are the ones that seniors cannot avoid buying.

      Plasma TV prices have fallen sharply, but seniors don’t buy them, since they can’t eat TV’s.

      Redistribution from seniors to hip hoppers. What good are old people anyway? Particularly now that they have turned on the Moron.

  8. David says:

    One of the token cuts is to the Pell Gant. Waiting for the outrage from college-aged libs in 3..2..1….crickets.

  9. Mithrandir says:

    …..3.73 trillion spending blueprint that pledges $1.1 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade through spending cuts and tax increases.
    So that’s 10 billion dollars of kick the can down the road deficit savings every year for ten years. Hmm. So in we have a deficit of 15 trillion now, so in 150 YEARS the deficit will be totally gone right?

    In the year 2161, they will all look back and thank Obama for this baby-step approach to fixing the deficit.
    Only in Washington, can a huge budget be called a “savings” (over 10 years, not now).

  10. Astravogel says:

    Wasn’t there a quip about the investment advisor,
    who, when asked what would be a good investment,
    replied, “Canned food and ammunition.”

    I’d add spices and instant coffee as well.
    You can always barter that.

  11. proreason says:

    Solution to the deficit problem.

    An idea you haven’t read before.

    1. Stop FICA and Medicare taxes immediately.
    2. Calculate a per person annuity for every citizen. Seniors who are already retired who be given an annuity equivalent to their anticipated payments for SS and Medicare. People prior to retirement would also be given an annuity which would be lesser amounts. The annuities can be calculated quite accurately. Essentially, everybody would get the payments that they have earned up to this point in time, but only collectable at age 65 (or so). The present value of all those annuities would be something like 40 trillion, which when added to the current national debt would become the new national debt (about 55 trillion)
    3. Sell 60 year bonds at 1 to 2% above inflation to pay down the 55 trillion. The service on those bonds would be between 2 and 3 Trillion per year. This debt has to be paid anyway. It isn’t new debt, and actually, it is less than current “unfunded liabilities” becaus unfunded liabilities count SS and medicare for everybody during their entire life.
    4. But, aha, the FICA and Medicare taxes collected today are about 1.5T annually. So, replace FICA and Medicare with a new “SS retirement” tax, designed to retire that debt in 60 years. Taxes would increase somewhat, for everybody, but over time, inflation would make the burden less and less.
    5. But then, younger people would not have any enforced retirement savings. So, allow the ones who want to participate to contribute to a new retirement fund that would be theirs alone and that would yield inflation + 1 or 2%, collectable after age 65. This would mimic SS, but be voluntary. If the person dies, the heirs get whatever money is left. Likewise for set asides for elderly health care. People would own their own accounts. Strict safeguards would have to be put in place to make sure the criminal politicians could not steal that money.

    The bottom line would be that the ponzi schemes would be shut down. Everybody would get what they have currently put in, and the entire country would have to pay off the existing ponzi balance over a 60 year period. Seniors would suffer a little because currently they don’t pay FICA, but they would have to pay the new “SS retirement” tax’but it would be a relatively small bite. Young people would pay more because they would be paying off the Ponzi balance with no financial benefit to themselves. Their reward would be a solvent country, and the opportunity to own their own retirement funds.’ The economy would soar because the looming catastrophe would be solved.

    Oh yes, one more thing, every federal politician in the country would have to be incarcerated for life.

    PAUL RYAN !!! Contact Steve for my email id.

    • David says:

      Pro, what type of safeguards would protect this plan over the 60 years to keep it from morphing into some other ponzi scheme for short -sighted politicians? I might suggest strict limits that the SS tax that pays down the debt be formulated yearly based solely on the size of that debt and be applied in the graduated way you have stated,

    • proreason says:


      Well there is probably nothing short of castration that can keep our elected criminals from stealing our money, but to start, I think they should have cattle prods surgically implanted that can be controlled by taxpayers from the most secure website that can be designed.

      But seriously, aside from the marxist takeover, the biggest problem the country faces is that the federal government is so huge that the riches available to officials, elected or not, attract criminals like honey attracts bees. I think the solution to that problem is to make the criminal penalties for corruption equal to the criminal penalties for mass murder. Unless some congress critters are executed, I don’t think the theft will ever stop.

    • ezra says:

      Thank you Proreason for suggesting an alternative to the Evil One’s Plan for Destruction.

      The question I can never get answered is this: Why won’t the Republicans make this proposal? Why are they muzzling Paul Ryan?

    • proreason says:

      “Why won’t the Republicans make this proposal?”

      because every time they make a sane proposal, the marxists demagogue it. Since progressives are totally amoral, they have no compunctions at all about any kind of lie.

      The first word out of their mouths will be, “Republicans want to kill granny.” And this isn’t conjecture, since they have done so dozens of times before.

      But personally, I think Republicans should get over it and get the discussion going. The alternative is bankruptcy and serfdom.

      This, btw, is the reason Ann Coulter is supporting Chris Christie for President. He seems to have the ability to say things in a way that cuts through the marxist demagoguery. She sees that kind of power as something that overcomes the other things she disagrees with him about. She has a point.

    • proreason says:

      For those interested, here is a simplified statement of the proposal.

      1. Stop SS and Medicare immediately. Stop FICA taxes as well

      2. Pay people for their contributions as promised up to the time of the stoppage, with existing rules. (Granny get the income stream as it is today. Youngsters get what they have contributed so far, at retirement.)

      3. Calculate the NPV of that obligation (i.e., the amount of debt right now to cover those promises)

      4. Sell bonds to pay down that obligation over 60 years. The bonds might require additional taxes, which might exceed current FICA taxes.

      5. In the future, allow people to contribute to voluntary, SS-like retirement plans that grow at safe levels of interest. The people, not the government, will own the funds, which will be paid out at retirement or death.

      6. Execute politicians who try to steal from the people in the future. After a few die, they won’t do it any more.

    • ezra says:

      If Granny voted so overwhelmingly Republican, why the political insecurity?

      Didn’t Granny (along with the rest of us), prove in the 2010 elections that she is immune to to the marxist goon squad brainwash treatment?

      Since the proposal itself is unassailable, I agree with you … they just lack spine.

      As much as we all despise Ms. Satan Pelosi and the Evil One, they do appear to have more in their shorts then Boehner & Co.

    • proreason says:

      “they do appear to have more in their shorts then Boehner & Co.”

      you are right for once Ezra.

      Marxists don’t have any problems with any level of crime, prevarication or violence. It’s a big edge.

      Squishes like RINOs are always worried about their next meal, and some are even bound by things like morality, religion and concern for humanity. Given the difference, it’s amazing that the marxists haven’t won already. After all, there has only been a 230 year window of freedom in the entire 10,000 year history of civilization. The normal state of humanity (since agriculature was invented) is marxism/statism.

      Maybe that is why brainwashed people like you are ok with it.

    • ezra says:

      So when it comes to Republicans and their unwillingness to do the right thing, I assume they are worried about their next meal? (Morality, religion and concern for humanity are on Mr. Ryan’s side, after all.)

      So that’s it? We just sit here and talk about it?

    • proreason says:

      Gee ezra, haven’t you noticed?

      People posting on S&L aren’t big fans of government, period.

      Just speaking for myself, words like execute, guillotine, incarcerate, and cattle prod ought to have been a clue for you.

      But progressive nitwits only hear what they want to hear. Your brains are so filled with propaganda that there isn’t any room for reasoning or listening.

    • ezra says:

      I’m just trying to get at the contradictions, Proreason.

      Here’s the way some brainwashed people who won’t listen or reason understand this issue:

      Republicans politicians rely heavily on older voters in swing districts who are not big fans of government. When these voters think of government, though, they do not necessarily think about Social Security or Medicare. To them, these are more like insurance programs whose benefits were directly paid for through their payroll taxes.

      Meanwhile, the Republican political establishment rightly recognizes that Social Security and Medicare are, for better or worse, enormous government programs (i.e., marxist ponzi schemes). Any attempt to reduce taxation, deficits, and/or the size of government must confront these programs head-on.

      Where the rubber hits the road is when a Republican with integrity (e.g., Paul Ryan) fails to read the memo and actually talks about the obvious. Because the minute the Social Security and Medicare cheese is moved, the political support vanishes. Refer to Bush’s attempt to modestly reform Social Security.

      And of course the Democrats demagogue the issue. But remember when Obamacare proposed modest reforms to Medicare? Who were the “kill granny” demagogues that time around?

      The bottom line is that there is very little popular support for Ryan’s proposal. (I myself am not necessarily opposed to it!)

    • proreason says:

      First of all, don’t expect me to decipher Republican contradictions. They only look sane when compared with the marxists.

      But you are dead wrong that spending reductions have to take on SS and Medicare. The federal budget can easily be balanced without touching either of those two programs. Rand Paul has proposed $500B in annual spending reductions, and that only scratches the surface. As usual, ezra, you are repeating the marxist spin.

      Now personally, I think SS and Medicare should be changed as well, and I’m sure they will be. The only question is whether it will be in time.

      Here is the basic basic basic problem with those programs and virtually every other government program. The programs don’t tie the ouflow to the inflow. What could possibly be more stupid than that? Do you spend whatever you feel like without paying any heed whatsoever to what your income is. Even few liberals are THAT stupid….yet that is what SS, Medicare and every other libwit program does. No connection between funding and payments. It’s sheer lunacy.

      And as I’ve said many times, it isn’t hard at all to fix any of them. For SS and Medicare, payments need to be linked to taxes. It doesn’t have to be penny for penny, but every year or so the next 20 years of so of payments need to be adjusted to the money coming in. That may mean later retirement years, or reduced payments for medicare….or maybe HIGHER payments. Whatever, the programs need to be financially sustainable. That is the overriding priority…..for a sane person, that is.

      Now, other than defense, SS and Medicare, just about every other federal program needs to be eliminated. For every single dollar any government agency spends, the equivalent service can be provided by the private economy for no more than 1/2 the price. Every government service is inherantly outrageously inefficient. It is so obvious, every 8 year-old knows it. That goes for the Post Office, Schools, roads, “regulation” and on an on. Bureauracries are ALWAYS the least efficient possibe provider.

      The only reason people think any of this is complicated or hard to understand is the 24x7x365 spin by people with a vested interest in keeping the criminal entrerprise going….they would be the criminal political class and the marxists (i.e., the rival criminals attempting to overthrow the criminals in power).

    • ezra says:

      “Solution to the deficit problem.

      An idea you haven’t read before.

      1. Stop FICA and Medicare taxes immediately.”


      “But you are dead wrong that spending reductions have to take on SS and Medicare. The federal budget can easily be balanced without touching either of those two programs. ”

      So you’re finished with Paul Ryan?

      Should we start with Ron Paul, then, or just skip him and move on to the next one? …

    • proreason says:

      Sorry ezra, Paul Ryan is an ace. But he’s a politician too. I don’t agee with anybody 100% of the time, and I don’t parse every word that I write either. If you want to go back and pick out phrases here and there, enjoy yourself.

      I’m not commenting for the WSJ and I don’t have an army of editors. Don’t much care about spelling either, although I don’t go out of my way to make errors.

      Playing games is a big part of what libwits do. It’s about all the Obamy does.

      Don’t you wish we had a president who wanted to do good for the country, instead of playing con games 24x7x365? Oh wait, we had some, didn’t we. Hopefully the next one will also put the country ahead of his personal lust for power, and psychotic desire to punish people he imagines have wronged him.

    • ezra says:

      We’re agreed. Paul Ryan is an ace. In spite of what Ron Paul says, Paul Ryan lays it on the line. Read his roadmap here: http://paulryan.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=25410 . Few people, and especially not Paul Ryan, would agree that “the federal budget can easily be balanced without touching either of those two programs [Social Security and Medicare]”.

      Because you laid out Ryan’s plan as an alternative to Obama’s, I was hoping to find out why you think there is no popular support for his plan (which is why Republican’s will not propose it).

      I think understanding why a substantial majority of citizens in this country oppose Ryan’s plan is a good project for anybody interested in politics to undertake. In this case, it is not easy to simply denounce this majority as “libwits”, since the same group just gave Ryan’s party the U.S. House and have anointed him a rising star within that party. Something’s got to give there.

    • proreason says:

      Republicans do not oppose Ryan’s plan. As I said, they know that the marxists will demagogue it. Clearly, they hope to win a large majority in 2012 without the discussion. But they are only slightly lesser fools than the marxists.

      Also, there is no way to know if the public opposes it or not, because the marxists have and will make sure that the demagoguery will override the facts, thanks the chearleading of the whore pom pom girls in the media.

      Specifically, Ryan has said that the no senior collecting SS or medicare now nor people within a few years of collecting will be impacted in any way. But that’s not what the marxists will tell you. They lie easier than they breathe. (you should think about why they do that as you think about your liberal ideas)

      It will take somebody like Chris Chrisie to get the truth on the table. That’s why the genius Ann Coulter supports him.

      btw, I don’t necessarilly like my stated above proposal above better than Ryan’s. It’s just a bit different cut at the problem. One thing I really like about Ryan’s plan is it that he solves the open-ended benefit problem of Medicare by paying for an insurance premium rather than direct payments to providers. That is very smart and a good solution. It will put the free market to work and stop the finanicial bleeding with an elegant solution. Something like that is inevitable. The only question is whether it will be done in time to save the country. (Also, my solution has an inherent problem. Going forward, it makes SS and Medicare-like program voluntary. What will inevitably happen is that people will opt out so they can buy porn sites and crack cocaine, and then when they become old and sick the criminal politicians will be tempted to buy their votes by stealing from the people who were responsible. That’s a big reason why political executions (yes, the death penalty) for politicians are a necessary ingredient.)

      But I also like death penalties for politicians for stuff they have already done.

    • ezra says:

      Proreason, you are a charming caricature of yourself. Have you read “The Sea Wolf” by Jack London? Pure fiction, but I think you would enjoy the antagonist.

      Anyway, here’s a more authoritative version of my view and food for thought: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/08/whats-wrong-with-paul-ryans-plan/61263/

      Let’s see how it plays out …

    • proreason says:

      I glanced at the article. Typical hand-wringing.

      Budget problems aren’t hard at all. It just takes common sense. Income can’t exceed outgo. It’s also very easy to prioritize spending. For people, you need food, shelter, clothing and transportation. Everything else can be cut, including health cut if you don’t have the money. Spaghetti is cheaper than filet mignon. 98% of the country does it for themselves with no training whatsoever. The other 2% go bankrupt.

      The only reason it is so “hard” for the government is that the criminal politicians / marxists hijack a simple process and demagogue it. And of course the pundits want to justify their overpriced salaries as well, so they wring thier hands continually. That’s why Chris Christie is so powerful. He cuts through the BS.

      Almost everything the government does is low priority and should be eliminated anyway. Every dime the government spends yields less than a nickle of value. Other than defense, some national security, SS and Medicare it should all be eliminated. The only reason SS and Medicare has to be retained is that people have contributed hundreds of thousands and have to get something back.

      And for SS and Medicare, all that is necessary is to figure out the true costs, and peg the costs to the income stream.

      But that wouldn’t allow the criminal politicians to pretend they are important would it? And it wouldn’t give the marxists a wedge issue to destroy the country either.

      These capos are so incredibly dangerous. They really need to be eliminated.

  12. bill says:

    Shocked I tell you. What street corner is our community organizer performing on this week.

  13. wirenut says:

    Ezra, perhaps you mean “The See Wolf” by BHO. London was good, but nobody spins a yarn of “pure fiction” as well as this cat. Thank you, state controlled media! I could be wrong, but my favorite London short story was “To Light A Fire”. A man, his dog and a quest for cold. Sounds like Obama to me. Hint to those who may not have read this one yet. The dog and the tree win. Fire bad.

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