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Obama De-Criminalizes Hiring Of Illegals

From a triumphant New York Times:

American Apparel has made immigrant labor a hallmark of its social message, which includes extending legal status.

U.S. Shifts Strategy on Illicit Work by Immigrants


July 3, 2009

Immigration authorities had bad news this week for American Apparel, the T-shirt maker based in downtown Los Angeles: About 1,800 of its employees appeared to be illegal immigrants not authorized to work in the United States.

But in contrast to the high-profile raids that marked the enforcement approach of the Bush administration, no federal agents with criminal warrants stormed the company’s factories and rounded up employees. Instead, the federal immigration agency sent American Apparel a written notice that it faced civil fines and would have to fire any workers confirmed to be unauthorized.

The treatment of American Apparel, which has more than 5,600 factory employees in Los Angeles alone, is the most prominent demonstration of a new strategy by the Obama administration to curb the employment of illegal immigrants by focusing on employers who hire them — and doing so in a less confrontational manner than in years past.

Unlike the approach of the Bush administration, which brought criminal charges in its final two years against many illegal immigrant workers, the new effort makes broader use of fines and other civil sanctions, federal officials said Thursday

On Wednesday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency known as ICE, said it had sent notices announcing audits of hiring records, like the one it conducted at American Apparel, to 652 other companies across the country. Officials said they were picking up the pace of such audits, after performing 503 of them in 2008…

The Obama administration’s new approach, unveiled in April, seems to be moving away from the raids that advocates for immigrants said had split families, disrupted businesses and traumatized communities. But the outcome will still be difficult for illegal workers, who will lose their jobs and could face deportation, the advocates said…

Executives at American Apparel were both relieved and dismayed after receiving the warning from the immigration agency of discrepancies in the hiring documents of about one-third of its Los Angeles work force. The company has 30 days to dispute the agency’s claims and give immigrant employees time to prove that they are authorized to work in the United States, immigration officials said. If they cannot, the company must fire them, probably within two months.

But no criminal charges were lodged against the company and no workers have been arrested, American Apparel executives and immigration officials said

American Apparel and its outspoken chief executive, Dov Charney, have waged a campaign, emblazoned on T-shirts sold across the country, criticizing the immigration crackdown of recent years and calling on Congress to “Legalize L.A.” by granting legal status to illegal immigrants

At a news conference last year, Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles publicly lauded Mr. Charney for helping the city with its faltering economy by providing “the dream of a steady paycheck and good benefits for countless workers.”

While it has been no secret that American Apparel’s largely Latino work force probably included many illegal immigrants, Mr. Schey said the company had been careful to meet legal hiring requirements. Many illegal immigrants use convincingly forged Social Security cards or other fake documents when seeking work

Immigration officials, who asked not to be identified because the case is continuing, said the fines to American Apparel so far were about $150,000

Angelica Salas, the executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, an advocacy group, said she welcomed the end to “showboat enforcement raids.” But in the end, Ms. Salas said, “there is still enforcement of laws that are broken,” adding, “The workers will still lose their jobs.”

Mr. Obama is effectively de-criminalizing the hiring of illegal aliens.

Which, lest we forget, was the major sop to the opposition in the initial amnesty legislation, the so-called Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, that was passed during the Reagan administration:

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

The law criminalized the act of knowingly hiring an illegal immigrant and established financial and other penalties for those employing illegal aliens under the theory that low prospects for employment would reduce illegal immigration. It introduced the I-9 form to ensure that all employees presented documentary proof of their legal eligibility to accept employment in the United States.

So what is Mr. Obama’s message here to employers?

Who will not be willing to risk the piddling fines, when you can save much more money by hiring illegal aliens?

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, July 3rd, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

27 Responses to “Obama De-Criminalizes Hiring Of Illegals”

  1. RightWinger says:

    Watch as this becomes Lil’ Barry’s theme now. First comes the news that he wants to fine family’s $1000 that don’t purchase affordable health care, now he is going to start fining companies for having illegals on the payroll? Since polls show everybody is sick of hearing about new taxes on everything, now here comes the avalanche of “fines” that Lil’ Barry will be spewing out of Washington. The majority of the public is not going to complain much about fines being issued against what the State Media will propogandize as bad behavior.

    But you are right Steve, these fines will be so small that it will still serve the company well to pay them up to keep their labor costs at below minimum. But to me these fines and others that are sure to come are nothing more than a legalized shakedown, ala Jesse Jackson.

  2. jobeth says:

    So let me get this straight…If you pay the fines….you, in effect, can continue to use illegal employees.
    At least until the Feds take you through all the courts etc. (In a veerrrryyyy sloooooow mode)

    Umm…Doesn’t this look like this is some sort of twisted pay to play scheme? (Obalmy’s favorite business model)

    This is so wrong on every level. It’s a simple fix that no one in the government wants to implement. The Bush’s or Obalmy’s.

    The illegal employees MUST be fired and more stringent penalties handed out to ANY employer who refuses to follow our laws. These illegals will go home on their own once the $$ flow is removed…After all LA is only a hop skip and jump from their OWN homeland!

    American Apparel should be employing AMERICAN workers. With the jobless rate as it is right now..that old weak argument that the illegals are only doing jobs American workers won’t do…is at best lame.

    And with the education problems we are having, we have plenty of American workers who would find factory work a challenge. (That’s not meant to be condescending…its just a fact of life)

    All that being said…American Apparel’s next move will probably be just that. A move…to Mexico…to join so many other industries that have been taxed right out of America.

    It’s time to make it more favorable to KEEP the industry here and hire AMERICAN workers. You almost (sarc) can’t blame the company for breaking the law. With the extreme costs of doing business in LA it’s the only way to survive.

    I know one thing…I will not be buying any Tee shirts made by American Apparel. And I am going to be looking a lot closer to the “Made in the USA” tags, although I know the garment industry is notorious for their bending of our immigration laws.

  3. caligirl9 says:

    Illegal workers could face deportation?

    Illegal workers must face deportation.

    What was have here is a nice revolving door. Come across the border and get a job with some crappy fake documents. Save some money and upgrade your fake documents. Get caught. Move on. Change your name, steal someone else’s identity. Get some crappy fake documents. Find a new employer.

    Rinse, repeat as long as the government allows.

  4. proreason says:

    “he company has 30 days to dispute the agency’s claims ”

    and decades to contest the claims in federal courts.

    Any company with deep pockets will never pay a fine again, unless they choose to do so.

    Now we see whose jobs will be saved…………lawyers who contributed to the Moron.

    • jobeth says:

      “Now we see whose jobs will be saved”

      Of course!! How could we have challenged Obalmy’s ability to gauge the number of “jobs saved”!

      It’s crystal clear now. = ;- B

  5. Howard Roark says:

    Of course this article paints President Bush as if he was a gun-totin’ crusader against illegal aliens. Typical of the Left and their MSM mouthpieces. They froth at the mouth as they write their article, driven by hate and rage, unable to remember the mammoth attempt by the Bush administration to grant amnesty to illegal aliens, disguised as a “track to citizenship”.

    It was the biggest disappointment that President Bush committed, in my opinion. Signing 8 years’ worth of record-spending budgets was second, of course. Frankly, President Bush was the best thing that happened to the cause of open borders and runaway federal spending, but you wouldn’t know it to read this amnesia-ridden article by Julia Preston and the NYT.

    But what are you going to do? The newsrooms are filled by children, all too eager to do the bidding of their deranged editors like Howell Raines (he’s long gone, of course, but was replaced by fellow traveller Bill Keller), unable to think critically if their lives depended upon it.

  6. GetBackJack says:

    I’m confused.

    Labor Unions are primary backers of the Obama Syndicate.

    Many of the jobs illegal aliens take are jobs formerly in the sphere of Unions.

    I don’t see how it’s possible to split this fence rail into equal parts both sides will like.

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      Bingo, GetBack. I was about to post something to that effect.

      The key here is to understand not what the Times reports, but rather, how the NY Times is trying to spin it. Essentially there isn’t much difference between Obama and Bush on this question; Bush was NEVER hard-headed about immigration raids, and that’s why conservatives attacked him on that issue.

      The NY Times is trying to

      (1) reinforce the myth that Republicans hate, while Democrats love, Latinos,

      (2) reinforce the myth that Democrats are markedly different from, and better than, Bush.

      (3) reinforce that Bushism and Republicanism are the exact same thing, and

      (4) make it seem as though the Democrats are simultaneously helping Latinos and helping labor unions, when in fact they are doing neither and breaking promises to both.

      Conservatives, we must stay on top of this. Kudos to Steve Gilbert; more sites like this one are needed — every time a spin is spun such as this, immediately, conservatives have to publish point-by-point clarifications so liberals cannot camouflage who they are in a cloud of language.

      I think, to our credit, we are getting better at exposing liberals, which is why the polling has moved out of the Democrats’ favor. Keep up the good work.

      Robert O. Lopez

      PS. I think, I should add, I have many reasons to hope that Latinos are in play for 2010 and 2012. The Right should never fall into identity politics, but at the same time, it’s a good idea to articulate what the Right’s position is on all these issues without resorting to cheap shots that sound (even if they aren’t) racist. I do believe Latinos and Republicans would be a match made in Heaven. Pretend, for a while, that there is a courtship between the two and the initial Jane-Austen-like resistance has to be melted with gentle nudges.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Well the union loyalists are taken care of. They’ll get placed on union boards or invited to join ACORN, haha. The blue-collar workers who lose their jobs – well that’s just the bad economy which is Bush’s fault or it’s the fault of the greedy business for trying to hold onto it’s unjust profits. And finally of course, the number of Americans that will not get hired now because of this simply won’t be reported.

      There’s quite a few irrational splits like this in Liberal ideology that one would think would logically expose their hypocrisy. Most intelligent Liberals know this and have come up with lies or spin to combat it for decades; false premises and distracting (emotional) arguments which were then carried by the media until they eventually became ‘truth.’ (Kudos to B.P.’s comments there).

      It’s likely with the libs in complete control these oddities are more and more going to be noteworthy for the masses. Afterall, with little to no republican opposition to demonize the libs will just start hating eachother. They already are. And yes, as this is happening, such is the golden opportunity for conservatives to articulate the alternative to this murky sophistry and reach people of all races, nationalities, and demographics. Thank you internet.

    • Howard Roark says:

      Great point, GBJ.

      As we follow this line of thinking, though, I think we need to apply some brakes to our race to the conclusion that we can appeal to “Latinos” on this issue of illegal immigration alone. It is all too easy to assume that “Latinos” are a monolithic voting bloc, driven to equal conclusions on the matter of deportation, illegal raids, etc.

      We edge towards the point of political suicide when we sacrafice our principles for the sake of gainning a few more votes. Our message becomes too fuzzy, and eventually there won’t be a clear flag to rally behind. Worse yet, after we water-down our stance on such issues, the other side will be able to define us (already happened) because they own the MSM.

      Having lived in south Florida for the last 5 years, witnessing the 85,000 Latino march in my local streets in 2006, it was refreshing and surprising to listen to my Latin co-workers who hated the illegals who formed that swell. You haven’t lived until you’ve heard the Cuban/Mexican/Honduran ex-pat here in America extol the reasons why they legally emmigrated to the USA, and further decry the many criminals from their country who arrive here illegally. We all need to pinch ourselves when we think that we can appeal to Latinos in 2010, 2012, or anytime in the future because we show them a “softer” approach to the criminals in our midst we call “illegals”.

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      Howard, AMEN! Thank you very much for a wonderful and astute post.

      Take it from a Latino Republican, folks: Time is on the side of conservatives! Most Latinos are deeply religious, hard working, and pro-military. It’s true — we’re “macho” in the sense that we admire strength, traditional families, and self-reliance. We hate sissies, laziness, and people who talk out of both sides of their mouth.

      We also don’t care as much about school as other ethnic groups — but that’s a good thing. Fewer of us are being indoctrinated in the gauntlet of elite liberal colleges.

      And most importantly, we are much more than the immigration issue. For 2006 and 2008, the Democrats’ scare tactics worked and they convinced the brown voters taht the Republicans were out to get us and we would be backing racists if we voted conservative. But like all scare tactics, that canard has a short shelf life. Eventually more substantive issues surface, and Hispanics will get irritated with the pointless condescending identity politics (Sotomayor), the bad economy (how ‘ bout those utility bills?), the cuts to defense (great — fewer slots open for those millions of gung-ho Latinos who want to be Marines), and the abortions (ever talked to a Latino Catholic or evangelical about abortion?)

      My one plea to conservatives is, just be patient, stay your ground! Howard is right; many Latinos who are voters do not like unfettered illegal immigration since our neighborhoods bear the brunt of the illegal saturation. One week ago, there was a stabbing across the street from my apartment — a black gang and a Hispanic gang. Illegal immigration makes the gang violence worse, and eventually latinos will reward Republicans for speaking for those of us who follow the law, want to serve our country, and expect decency in our neighborhoods.

      The most important thing is simply to strive always to articulate the anti-illegal-immigration position in a clear way that the Democrats cannot caricature as racist. It’s sad we have to be so self-conscious, but a dose of self-consciousness and careful choice of words will pay off in 2010 and 2012. I have high hopes.

    • proreason says:

      “Most Latinos are deeply religious, hard working, and pro-military.”

      You said it Professor.

      Libwits are working hard to turn Latinos into a dependent class, just like they did with African Americans.

      You know, we all are angry about illegal immigration…..but the reason you don’t hear me railing about it as much as other things is because the vast majority come here and work their asses off. Maybe they get some free benefits, but they sure are working hard when I see them.

      Hispanics and conservatives share a lot of values. I hope they realize what a con man the Moron is.

    • Howard Roark says:

      Hispanics and conservatives share a lot of values. I hope they realize what a con man the Moron is.

      Right on, PR. We all are waiting patiently for not only those unconvinced Latinos to see the Conservative in their mirrors, but all of the union men and women who vote Dem every cycle, as well.

      If I’ve read your musings accurately, PR, I believe that you are a lawyer. I can understand your feelings about illegal immigration, if that is so. I’m not sure how many adult years you may have spent doing something other than law, and I certainly don’t want to assume where your heart is concerning such…but I come to the issue of illegal immigration as a man who has had to swing a hammer for a living a few times in my life, along with washing dishes, painting cars, and such.

      Perhaps I am sensitive to the issue because I realize that the wages for those jobs (which I still occasionally find myself needing, despite 2 college degrees) don’t keep up with the cost of living, come with no benefits, and are unfairly depressed yearly because of the loose immigration policies of this country I went to war for almost 20 years ago.

      Let’s just say that it is sadly ironic that returning vets aren’t greeted with better jobs and security in America, where an illegal and his family can be treated to better health care, better wages than what he knew in his home country, and less stress and worry over paying the bills that comes from playing by the rules (paying car insurance, a lifetime of taxes/medicare/medicaid/ss/health insurance/etc).

      So many of the bills that must be paid by an honest American who makes 10 dollars an hour siding houses with no benefits are forgiven for the illegal who also makes 10 dollars an hour siding houses.

      Again, I’m not saying that you aren’t sensitive to this reality, PR. I’m just expressing why I feel the way I do about illegal immigration, as long as we’re bearing our souls about this issue. When you’ve spent a lifetime groping for that better pay, while still remaining an honest man who doesn’t drive without car insurance, or start a family without the means to pay for it, or abuse the emergency room system for health care, you begin to understand the Civil War a little better.

      The plantation owners who used slave labor operated from a system that they inherited, to be sure. We all focus on only one aspect of it: the racist angle. What is forgotten is the other evil of it: the depressed wages and lack of jobs for the rest of us who need those jobs. Indeed, the biggest arguments of the 19th century in American Congress were over whether the new territories/states would be slaveholding states or not. Labor was the crux of it, not the racist aspect of it, mostly. The war between the states went a long way to fixing it, then. Sometimes I wonder if that’s the only way we’ll fix it now.

      And through it all, you don’t hear ONE time me say that it is a Mexican/S American problem, and focus this on them. Neither do any of the redneck, tobacco-spittin’ blue collar workers I grew up with and encounter now. This unfair fear that we Conservatives all have a racist tendency towards illegals and that we need to be extra careful isn’t born from any reality I’ve encountered, and it is going to be the death of us.

      What instead needs to be articulated is to name names when you encounter some racist behavior, and quit taking the isolated incident out on the whole class. I dare say that when you hear the language of bigotry towards Latinos, 9 times out of 10 it is an uneducated dolt who never shows up on this forum or even understands what Conservatism means.

      But, unfortunately, the myth that Southerners are all racist Archie Bunkers is still practiced by professors and other elitists on both coasts and in between. I’m tired of it, and I’ve seen 40 years of our coffin being nailed shut because of it. We have nothing to apologize for, and we need to stand up for ourselves before our epitaph is written.

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      Howard, Just to back you up, most–in fact, nearly all–of the racism I have encountered as a 1/2 Latino and 1/2 Asian male, has come from white Democrats, AFrican Americans, or assimilated Latinos who think like white liberals and view recent Latino immigrants as embarrassingly sexist relics.

      I still look at the relationship between Latinos and conservatives as a courtship. Latinos identify as “conservative” at about the same rate as the general population. But only about 30% of Latinos are Republican. So in a sense, conservatives and Latinos would be wedded much more strongly, if their shared values were clearer. The challenge, however, is that conservatives are inherently against identity politics, so they do not like the idea of approaching Latinos as a group [Rush said very eloquently at CPAC that conservatives do not naturally speak to people as groups, but as people.] I think conservatives should be authentic, and stick to their values, and eventually the ice will melt with Latinos and the old stereotype of RIght=racist will melt away.

      I say, think of it as a courtship. When a man and a women who would make a great match are first getting to know each other, just a little bit of heightened consideration goes a long way into making each other comfortable. On the first or second date you won’t joke about a woman’s weight, or tell her hairspray smells too strong. Once you’re comfortable you go deeper.

      Same thing as conservative whites and Latinos get to know each other better. Talk about religion, the military, taxes, our mutual struggles. Don’t feel that you need to bring up immigration when you’re talking to a Latino, just because he’s Latino; if the topic comes up, don’t feel like you have to avoid it just because he’s Latino. But focus the bulk of the conversation on shared interests and keep discussion of immigration to a minimum, since it’s a sore issue for lots of Hispanics, like talking about dieting with a woman on the first date.

    • Howard Roark says:

      Thanks, BP, for buttressing my emotions on the subject.

      I understand your desire for a “courtship” between Conservatives and Latinos. I caught that when you originally said that the initial Jane-Austen-like resistance has to be melted with gentle nudges. I just don’t go for the reasoning that the target which needs to learn that lesson is Conservatives. (of course there are exceptions to every rule, but I’m speaking generally, here.)

      I mean, if you’ve lived a life like I have, you’ve encountered average Conservatives meet, mix, and love people from other ethnicities/cultures all of your life. When I was in S Korea I served with uneducated, inarticulate, simple men who were definitely Conservative in their value system/worldview who ended up meeting, dating, then marrying S Korean women who came from POLAR OPPOSITE origins than them.

      I saw average Conservatives volunteer for hardship military tours just so their foreign wives could be closer to their kin for another year. I saw average Conservative men give up their day’s rations for the native children who ran up to them in foreign villages. I saw average Conservative men risk their lives for the Mexican with them.

      These aspects of average, rural, redneck people who call themselves Conservative aren’t surprising to my kind of people. When you go to churches that are nothing more than clapboard shanties in the mountains, you see the kindness towards blacks, Latinos, and others pour forth in very humbling ways. The mountain folk who have never been outside their state eagerly reach into their pockets to give to those who don’t look like them at all.

      I just don’t know why you think we need to be taught your lesson of “courtship” more than any other group. I mean, it’s a nice thought, but in my life, I’ve seen that the most alarming prejudice and lack of understanding comes from the pompous, self-assured elite (the Left) concerning those of us they consider “in need of education.”

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      Howard, I think you might be focusing a little too much on the “professor” part of my name. (I caught your remark about professors being elitists). I’d change the screen name to something less obnoxious, maybe that will help.

      I’m not teaching you a lesson, and no, I don’t think conservatives need to hear that lesson more than anyone else. I’m just reflecting on the issues you raised and sharing some strategies, take it or leave it. I apologize if it comes across as condescending, but there were some real historical events that made me feel like posting a small paragraph at the end of my first post in this thread. The fact remains that in 2008, Obama won a national election and now I am bound to serve him as Commander in Chief, because of several swing groups that did not react well to a conservative message. One swing group was Latinos, who went from voting 44% for Bush to voting 31% for McCain. If a different strategy might in the future help me avoid having to serve under a CIC with whom I disagree, then I would be happy to promote such a strategy.

      The original article was from the NY Times, and if you read what I first wrote, I said it’s important that conservatives react to liberal spin and that’s where this whole discussion came from. You have a lifetime of experience and I like hearing about it. I also come from a lifetime of experience, which includes working in factories and signing up for the military and struggling and being born again as a Christian and all that fun stuff. I’ve worked with hammers too! And I’ve packed boxes and moved stuff, and soon I’ll be in boot camp, if it makes my statements any more authoritative.

      Included in my experience are observations of the way political discussion unfolds. Liberals often distort what conservatives say. As you point out, conservatives are often less racist than liberals, but liberals are shrewd at twisting everything around. I wish Latinos weren’t susceptible to liberal distortions, but many of them are.

      Just so you know, I often challenge liberals on the way they discuss race, and I am much harsher toward them because I disagree with their actual philosophy about race (I don’t disagree with conservatives.) I often complain about liberals when I post on this site. But liberals don’t read this site, so when I post on here, I am usually not giving them “lessons.”

      I hope that clears up any misunderstanding. To be honest, I really don’t care enough about race to feel all that strongly about these issues. BUt if I were to go back and erase my original posts, then a lot of this discussion thread wouldn’t make sense. So take my current stance as a white flag — I surrender. :)

    • Howard Roark says:

      I appreciate this exchange, BP, but at the risk of beating a dead horse, I will quote one of my favorite thinkers, Dennis Prager: I prefer clarity to agreement. And just to clarify:

      I’m not focused on your moniker, “professor”. Having spent many hours in debate/discussion with my own professors in my college career, I am not enamored, impressed, or distracted by someone who names himself “bronzeprofessor” on the internet. Whether you believe it or not, I can focus on your words instead of your name or race. You’re not talking to one of your students, here.

      My mentioning of “professors and elitists” wasn’t directed at you at all. After all, you’ve repeatedly identified yourself as a Conservative (plus I am familiar with your orientation from when you were Latinos4JohnnyMac on the old site, Get Drunk And Vote 4 McCain.) So please don’t think I’m indirectly speaking to you when I mention professors in the context I did.

      And as far as “sharing some strategies”, I didn’t know that I (or the fine contributors to this site) was in need of them. I, too, appreciate your experiences, but my post on this thread wasn’t one of “what do we do about this?” Your response was full of ways that we Conservatives need to conduct ourselves, and I’m thinking that you may have rushed to an answer that didn’t have a question. Some of us have learned about race relations in our everyday travels, and that is all I was trying to relay.

      After all, since we’re the ones who forged a warm, tolerant, charitable place for Latinos to escape their origins to, isn’t it possible that after all of the examples of Conservative principles we’ve shown and politely discussed, it isn’t US that need to further explain ourselves, but THEM who need to listen?

      And don’t worry about emploring us to ply your strategies of talking about common struggles and shared experiences to Latinos. We already have been, and that’s what I was trying to tell you. You can’t read statistics on Latino voting turnout from year to year and conclude that it is us who need to change. When we do that, we end up being played by people who are used to voting for he who promises the biggest goodies at election time. Most Latinos I know understand that.

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      Howard, happy July 4th. This is getting very personal and there isn’t more to be said.

  7. jrmcdonald says:

    Since there are no illegals, and National health care is here, does that mean we will now pay for Castro’s heart meds?

    • Liberals Demise says:

      I say we get the US Navy to drag Cuba to southern Florida and Lil’ Barry can make it our 58th state!
      The illegals can be happy in the fact that they are no longer tagged as “ALIENS” anymore. Just plain old fashioned illegal criminals!

  8. 4USA says:

    Obama is no different than any other dictator. Like it or not, believe it or not, we’ve been overthrown.

    His “stimulus” plan was nothing but seed money to pay off the greedy little politicos he needs to get his new form of government placed. It’s working just as planned.

    Just listen to Pelosi or Biden or Boxer or Reid or (fill in the blank) speak. They are as clueless as they are worthless, but perfect for doing nothing while our country is dismantled. Now they’ve stolen Minnesota and implanted another certified moron to give them a super majority in the senate.

    The only piece missing is the Supreme Court. If I were a conservative justice, I’d double my security, never be alone, have my car secured/serviced by family, get a food taster, and refuse to fly anywhere until if/when we can get Obama out of office.

    • jobeth says:

      I understand your depression, but we can’t give up as long as there is breath in us. Keep up the good fight. Sometimes its really hard to see a victory but we have never been known for being French ;-D

      Chin up…

  9. wardmama4 says:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

    It should be our motto from now until Obama is out of office. We can not stop. We can not rest. We can not get distracted. We can not afford to lose.

    This is America – the greatest Nation in the World. We The People can do Anything.

    And now is a Time that tries Men souls. Do not let your Fathers and Grandfathers down – it is time to Stand Up and Fight for Liberty and Justice for All.

    They make take my life – but they can never take my FREEDOM. And I will not willingly give it away.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Amen wardmama. I will be enjoying my July 4th unashamedly fighting for liberty against the liberal smear and lies that have taken control of this nation’s psyche for much too long. It’s time for this to end, we’ve been nice about the filth for way too long.

  10. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    All is not lost. I refuse to admit that it is, no matter how bleak everything seems with the inmates running the asylum. The lib’s might think they’re on top of the world and that nothing can stop them. But for every act of stupidity they commit they’re only putting another nail in their coffin by disgruntling the public.

    After reading a majority of these posts on the culture of the Hispanic community i.e. their strong sense of patriotism, tight family communities, hard work ethic etc. it’s difficult for me say this isn’t totally true. Where I live the Hispanic community is evenly divided. One half epouses all the conservative values that have made this country great. The other half has been brainwashed into the liberal mindset of hating America, calling people in the military stupid, and raising another generation on welfare with no ambition of ever leaving it. In essence the local Hispanic community is polarized between two political lines of thought.

    • bronzeprofessor says:

      .Well, 12 Gauge, then I guess the political game you have to play is this: how do you reach the good half? You want them on your side, and they belong on your side. I say, speak to them in the language of your values, and don’t expect them to apologize for the lousy half of the Hispanic community. The Democrats are good at grouping us together and making us feel like we have to justify or atone for what other Latinos do, when we aren’t even part of the problem. The Republicans should stick to their principles and not see us as a group, and then they can win a bigger share of the Hispanic community, which they need to do anyway.

      Rush Limbaugh was right, just reach people as people, not as groups, and your values will prevail. Look at the stupid, lazy, veteran-hating Latinos as “liberals” and look at the patriotic Latinos as “people like us — good folks.”

      With that, I am all Latino’d out. TIme for bed. Good night to all — happy 4th.

  11. LewWaters says:

    At a news conference last year, Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles publicly lauded Mr. Charney for helping the city with its faltering economy by providing “the dream of a steady paycheck and good benefits for countless workers.””

    Too bad the Mayors glee doesn’t extend to the 9.5% national average of American citizens unemployed.

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