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Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Healthcare

From a strangely unconcerned CNN:

A soldier undergoes therapy with both of his artificial legs at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC.

Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance

By Adam Levine

March 12, 2009

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Lawmakers say they’d reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it’s sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget…

Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under "consideration."

"A final decision hasn’t been made yet," he said…

So taxpayers dollars will be available for healthcare for illegal aliens and deadbeats, but not for wounded soldiers?

(Thanks to AuntieAM for the heads up.)

This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, March 12th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

41 Responses to “Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Healthcare”

  1. wardmama4 says:

    What part of breach of contract does VA Secretary Shinseki not understand.

    This has already been fought (and in case you don’t know it, won) in the Tricare issue – the military was pushing retirees out the door – the combined forces (retirees and active duty) stood up and said – it’s in my contract – medical care for life. Hence Tricare for Life.

    What a schmuck – sad that he turned on the very people he once lead.

    Besides if The One ™ gets his way there won’t be any ‘private’ insurance anyway – so wtf is going on here?!?

    Oh yeah just another Typical Fiberal Political Person – speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

  2. proreason says:

    not gonna happen.

    Even the Moron ain’t that stupid

    • Consilience says:

      You are correct on two fronts: this nonsense is DOA and “he ain’t that stupid”—-these people are radicals and are creating doubt and sending ambiguous signals on touch-stone issues as they thrive on crisis and ambiguity…

    • brad says:

      That is so true, these people like to stir up the pot and get people distracted and confused. That is what liberalism is all about.

      Like Hillary said, “Don’t waste a good crisis.” –Spoken like a true blood-sucking lawyer…….

  3. TwilightZoned says:

    I guess if the mission is to prevent one from joining, this may be a nail in the coffin to do just that. Yea, dissuade and shrink the military. I’m really beginning to wonder if he is the epitome of incompetent. I really hope this IS breech of contract. Our soldiers deserve the best care. This story just disgusts me.

  4. VMAN says:

    Even on the extreme off chance that it did pass what insurance company would pay for treatment of a pre-existing condition. I think ya’ll are right it’s just a way to keep new people from joining the military.

  5. catie says:

    His cabal of Hawaiian military folks in the VA (okay it’s only two that I know of but there is probably more) Shinseki and Duckworth don’t really seem to be fans of those who served and those who were injured. I cannot fathom that Duckworth has that much disdain for her fellow injured comrades in arms that she would go along with this. I realize she hates those who are proud of their service and don’t complain like she constantly does but even this is beyond the pale.
    Proreason, you may be right but you have to remember this is the genius that came up with the Black Beret for all Soldiers greatly upsetting those who were part of the Special Forces as well as many other Soldiers who weren’t. I used to have an email my husband sent me that was making the rounds in either 2000 or 2001 when this was going on of this guy wearing a Camp Fire Girls uniform with the Black Beret. It was classic, unfortunately I deleted it probably 2 years ago (I kept it for a long time) or else I would post it here. I am going to keep looking though and see if anyone else has it.
    Long time ago when I served families got to use the on post dental clinic now we don’t. We have to pay out of pocket for that but when my husband signed up (1988) it was part of the contract he signed. His foreign national wife sure got all her teeth fixed and braces but by the time I got to be his Mrs. (long after she got all her relatives up here on green cards and made sure she got her citizenship) that had been dropped. So it may be a breach of contract but they’ve done that before.

    • Weasel says:

      Right on Catie!
      “Black Beret” Shinseki is also the idiot who thought that heavy armor was obsolete and that the Army needed lighter vehicles so that it was easier to deploy. Those “obsolete” heavy vehicles kicked in the door to Iraq, while the lighter vehicles got hammered by IEDs later on. This is what Rummy was talking about with his comments on “you fight with the military that you have, not the one you wish you had”. And then it was Rummy who got blamed for the IED deaths and injuries while Shinseki got off clean – so clean that Obama gives him a new job at the VA where he can then insult many of the same soldiers who were injured due to his earlier decisions. If this wasn’t so sad and frustrating, it would almost be laughable!

  6. pdsand says:

    Not that the idea isn’t stupid retarded, but I’m sure it probably boils down to the same thing that goes on with active duty at the hospital now, they make you fill out a third-party collection form. That way, if you for some reason have private insurance they will be billed, because by law tricare is never the primary insurance if other insurance exists. However, as most if not all people don’t have additional insurance then of course tricare pays.
    I have a hard time imagining that even these dummies would want you to go and pay cash to get treated for a combat related disability, but anything is possible with democrats in charge, they did give us taxable social security after all.

    • canary says:

      this refers to the soldiers injured or disabled on the job’s VA benefits and not Tri-care.

    • pdsand says:

      Absolutely, the VA probably just wants to implement third party collections on the off chance that the veteran already has private insurance that applies, it can be billed to them and take a little load off the government, whereas those (most if not all) who don’t have additional insurance will simply get their healthcare for free as they always have. That at least is my blind hope for what this means.
      I haven’t paid close attention, but if I’m not mistaken, third party collections for active duty and tricare are a relatively recent development, at one point it was just a given that the military provided your healthcare at no cost, the same as it is now a given that the va provides healthcare for service-related disabilities at no cost. My point is that third party collections for active duty doesn’t mean a Soldier goes to the on-base hospital and has to pay cash, it just means that on the off chance that he has additional private insurance, they will be billed.

  7. caligirl9 says:

    I was quite angry when I read that article. As far as I am concerned, veterans have earned the right to good medical care and all of the positive things the United States used to stand for.

    Now, it’s the illegals and single mothers with a bunch ‘o brats by different baby daddies lined up at the trough, and any priority the government ever had for our military people is down the toilet. Imagine if the service members currently assigned to White House dooty (misspelled on purpose, please!) walked off the job? Who, oh who would guard TCO?

    • wardmama4 says:

      Actually Caligirl9 look to CA itself – the issue of illegals getting medical care before a veteran was the basis of one of the Props in CA a number of years ago.

      Did you know that they only two ‘groups’ of people Constitutionally guaranteed medical care are Congress/POTUS and criminals in prison? Shows exactly who runs the show and who they give a damn about.

    • caligirl9 says:

      I used to work in prison health. I recommend it for any nurse who wants to make good money, and is smart and able to do much independently. You see all sorts of thing there, and yes, the prison had pretty decent equipment and inmates sure did receive care in a very timely manner. And if I ever felt unsafe, there was always a corrections officer nearby to remind the inmate to be a gentleman when I was around. I never had that working in the community-based hospital ER …

      I forget the number of that proposition that was overwhelmingly passed here in California … but I do remember how quickly our liberal agenda judges butted in and claimed the unconstitutionality of it all. (Kind of like what they are doing with Proposition 8 from the last election cycle).

      The framers of the constitution should have more strongly defined exactly who has constitutional rights, and what exactly is the definition of “citizen.” I doubt they meant people who sneak into the country illegally …

  8. jrmcdonald says:

    Impeach this pig now!

  9. canary says:

    Michelloho said today the vets were her 1st Lady pet project. She was on news today that the veterans were going to be her 1st Lady pet project. She said on airwaves she wanted to “lighten veterens load”. First thing came to my mind, yeah right her husband just sent back milliions of bullet proof vests to manufactures. After campaign promises to get our vets safer protection, he did the opposite and is trying to put companies out of business. He won’t even tell the companies the specifics they need. She is vain just like her husband, best known now for wearing sleeveless off shoulder dresses in cold weather, inspite of it angering and disgusting muslims everywhere in the world.


    • caligirl9 says:

      I am even more afraid for our brave men and women … by the time this pair is done, we will indeed need our own arsenals to stop the invasions of our own homes and our own nation by whatever lowlifes take over …

    • TwilightZoned says:

      Cali, I’m with you. I don’t currently know how to fire a gun, but will the by summer’s end.

  10. canary says:

    What Obama promised the DAV prior to elections that injured vets deserved “world class” medical aid. Don’t forget his “world class” education. b.s.
    Obama’s lies
    DAV’s recent letter to Obama in regards to Obama’s recent legislations
    In the DAV”s present March/April issue, they have article Veterans Issues Face President, Congress. The article blasts Obama’s historical spending, and forgetting his vets. They still haven’t gotten funding this year from Obama.
    So, all her b.s. today is timely propaganda to what’s really going on. Traitors.
    Michelloho is Obmohos puppet b****.

  11. canary says:

    I believe Shinseki is from LiHue, Hawaii .

    Shinseki admitted he has much to learn about the VA, but he outlined 3 general principals he will use as he leads the VA. “It’ll be people-centric. It must be results-driven. And, by necessity, it must be forward-Looking.”

    When Shinseki outlined his vision for the VA Jan. 14, he used the word transformation more that 10 times. He pledged to tansform the VA into “a 21st century organization.” “I use the particular term here, ‘transformation,’ rather thatn’incremental change’ –
    He is also real big on electonic medical records (Obama’s main deal) however the VA is already converted to this.

    For those that don’t understand things, the VA is pretty pathetic. They have a DVA which is like bad guys to screw the disabled vet, and the DAV are the ones who help represent the disabled vet to make the VA help the vet. Military hospitals and VA hospitals are two different things at that. The article also keeps trying to point out to Shinseki who is the fourth consecutive U.S. military academy graduate to had the VA, that there is a difference between the military and VA. In this article the DAV makes a point of telling him, they need help now, and that they hope he can do as good job as the last one in his position.
    Sounds to me like Shinseki is obmanized, and not on the Disabled Vets side.

    Anyways, this brings me back to a question about the difference between Universal health care that Obama compaigned for. Hillary wanted National health care, but now of course she wants Universal health care. I think I recall Obama saying during a debate with her, that in Universal Health Care the people will have to have private insurance, and he gave an amount it would cost a month. But, a few weeks ago, I was trying to understand the difference, and I can’t even get any clear information on it. Anyone know of a link describing the two.????? I wonder if this means one insurance companie everyone has to use. Anyone that can explain it.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Looks like Shinseki has been reading from the lexicon of the buzzword generator. “A people-first, results-driven…..blabbidy blah blah blah”

      His advosors probably tell him, “Use lots of neat sounding phrases that mean nothing. That’ll impress them..and if they don’t understand, they will be too embarrassed to say anything”.

      As long as we’re at it, this administration is a “multifaceted, multiregional, intermingled, failure-acquiring systyem of globally encompassing dimensions, coupled with a finite resource-accessing and equalization system of unparalleled redundancy”.

  12. wardmama4 says:

    Here are some of what I see going on:

    Many of the Vets of this War are Guard/Reservists who had jobs (before being called up) therefore a certain percentage have health benefits. However, the problem with that is War related injuries must have a clause in their medical benefits which I suspect most don’t>. The intention of this must be two-fold – to delay/frustrate the medical treatment/payment system, probably allowing the Veteran to pay a small percentage of treatments (with Tricare – we’ve had to do it, even when on active duty for our son – as it was improperly, misfiled claims which if we tried to correct would already be in collections – i.e. the system is rigged against the Insured) and two, subtly (and through the back door) as more and more ‘private’ insurers refusepayment, get into financial trouble by paying or end up forcing the Veteran to pay out-of-pocket – guess what – It will be another nail in the Government Healthcare forced upon all of us deal. Perhaps the final nail.
    The VA is notorious for denying claims – many WWII, Korea & even Vietnam Veterans are having issues as there was a fire in 1973 that destroyed a lot of records – thus proving that said disease/injury/disability is Military/Combat related is becoming very difficult for older Veterans. It is disgusting to me – We helped a couple of people – and in searching for information on my Father realized how daunting the task is – I can’t imagine doing so while sick or in pain.
    And yes, way too many people are completely unaware that the VA and Tricare are two different animals.
    As for electronic medical records – I am so against it – VA has already ‘lost’ my hubby’s info once, I’ve had to ‘review’ my records often (when he was on Active Duty) to insure proper lab results were there (often found many that weren’t mine) and finally – however do you think that they are going to garner the info to approve/deny medical care/treatment to those who are financially/out-come based viable or not worth it?
    I find it sad that Duckworth turned on her fellow wounded too – what the he!! is in the water in IL? It is toxic.

    • oldswimcoach says:

      Electronic records are easier to manipulate and delete. I have hard copies of everything for just that reason.

    • canary says:

      Wardmama/Not to familar with Tri-Care. Retire I know at 65 was told if you choose Tri-care you can’t even have any other insurance. As far as if you son has other insurance, than I am almost sure that insurance has to pay. Often they will say it’s military related, but think the way the law works, if the military doesn’t pay for it, then the insurance has to pay, and the insurance’s legal’s will go after the military to reinburse them. Also, you should go to Senator or Congressman’s office (both should have an aid that specifially works for vets, course I think the “double-fold” aim Obamo speedo is causing is keeping our states leaders so busy they can’t watch our states. First and foremost there are branches and post all over that you go to and will help you with the paperwork and all. The DAV get’s involved. They are non-profit, but powerful, and I donate to them, because I am aware of how difficult vets have it. My father lost his leg during war, and it’s been heck for him with the VA. Also,
      we need to understand our soldiers aren’t dealing so much with bullet wounds anymore, but lost body parts, from bombs.

  13. RightWinger says:

    Next thing you know, Lil’ Barry will be asking that Police Officers pay for their own guns, ammunition, bullet proof vests and gasoline for their squad cars. Probably also ask them to pay for their own liability insurance in case they shoot somebody in the line of duty too.

  14. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    Don’t piss off people who are trained to kill.

    Why do people not understand that the POTUS is the commander in cheif of the military. That is his main job. Not to promote social welfare, but the over see the destruction of it, in foreign countries of course.

    This is just another way Obama is trying to be like FDR. After depriving our soliders and Marines of health care, as the government did bonus pay after WWI, he will create a new system for them and be the hero, or at least that is how he sees it in his little mind. Or maybe he will give them construction jobs building highways like FDR did with the Bonus Army.

  15. oldswimcoach says:

    I think this is a clear example of journalistic incompetence in reporting. I suspect that the issue is applying the current third party payer insurance process to the veterans, rather than just their dependants. Currently that process applies to dependents, and can be applied to service members covered under spousal insurance plans, but that is an unusual situation under current policies and procedures.

    At a very basic level it would work like this: (actual case from my family) My kid’s lung collapses, and Tri-care insures my kid. My kid has insurance from her employer (a local grocery store). Tri-care pays all the deductibles and co pays, but bills my kids insurance as the primary insurance provider. Tax payers save money, private sector insurance pays their obligation. We (military member and family) pay nothing.

    The problem with this plan is NOT that soldiers will pay for their follow-up medical care, (Tri-care and private insurance will do that – see above example), it is that employers will be disinclined to hire wounded veterans, because group plans don’t generally provide pre-existing condition exclusions (but boy they sure will if this law passes!), and effectively this becomes a targeted “tax” (via insurance coverage) on the very businesses that employ wounded veterans – to cover a clearly governmental financial obligation no less.

    This is a REALLY bad idea, but for very different reasons than the emotional (and inaccurate) claim that vets have to pay for their own health care.

    • pdsand says:

      Absolutely, it’s a bit like the USERRA law in practice, I’m sure they’d pass a law prohibiting discriminating against a veteran on the basis of health costs, but there are always ways around it.
      And tsk tsk swimcoach, Obama already said he’s gonna get rid of all pre-existing condition exclusions anyway, because that’s such a GREAT IDEA!

    • canary says:

      I too thought bad reporting but it’s directly to injured and disabled during duty

      The computerization of records is a mess, and nurses are fed up, doctors, and it brings up health care costs. The computerized records at the VA just cause more screw up. Their too busy putting things in computer while vets lie there alone dying. Seen it. Nurse makes a mistake, digging around on computer to find something, trying figure out what went wrong, then figuring out how to correct.

  16. canary says:

    This explains exactly how Obama is trying to screw the soldier in the photo with no legs.
    The 3rd party insurer part is already understood. This is current injured soldiers.


  17. U NO HOO says:

    Waiting For God, WHYY, 3/13/09, had the episode where Tom visits the English doctor about his prostate. Diana demands an explanation and the doctor stops his clock to talk to them.

    Enlightening to me unless I didn’t get the point correctly.

  18. Bobby Blue says:

    We’ve made leaps and strides for veterans since out last civil war. If our administration keeps this up, we might have to do it again.

  19. Liberals Demise says:

    Just another promise broken to those that “Keep Us Free”.
    I know first hand at the promises that are broken and continue to be broken.
    This is yet another attempt by a COWARD in COMMAND to break the back of FREEDOM!!

  20. navymom says:

    As far as I’m concerned, they have already payed for their care… with their service to their country! It is their country that isn’t living up to it’s part of the bargain!

  21. MinnesotaRush says:

    I wonder what kind of benefits he has in mind for his private citizen security force??? Don’t the Panther’s already have black berets??? my bad …

  22. proreason says:

    Oh oh. Moron sticking to looney plan to make vets private insuresrs pay for service-related medical care. Want’s to “generate 540 million”, no doubt to give to his loser Obamabots.

    American Legion head is “angered”. No shit?


    I know this will get a lot of people even more upset. My view is that it is political suicide, and can’t possibly happen, so I hope The Moron carries on until the outrage is at a fever pitch.

    Note that the plan is to have private insurers pay, not vets, which of course will just mean that private medical insurance for vets will go throught the roof, if they can even get it. (no doubt, the private insurers would then be demonized by Obamabots, which would be one more “reason” the government would have to step in…….that may be the real underlying reason for this).

    If this actually happens, it is difficult to imagine the backlash in this country.

    Steve says the R word is verboten………so I won’t say it.

  23. proreason says:

    The Moron backs off his deluded “soak the vets” scheme.


    But I want the fool to keep going to those dark places.

    Obviously, he is as much a loon as the underbelly of the Kos Kids.

    The more the country sees of his vaunted “judgement”, the more chance adults have of regaining power.

    • Odie44 says:

      As we have been opining all day pro…

      Dopey Pelosi’s response:

      Its like someone grabbing a woman and telling her he will rape her, then at the last momnet runs.
      Pelosi would say he is “an anti rape advocate for the safety of all women”…

    • Consilience says:

      PR, Notice the pattern? The GPS locator to track mileage trial-balloon, the HR 45 bill his colleague Bobby Rush proffered, this vets scheme—-every week, there is a new outrageous proposal that has everyone scratching their heads…he and his teleprompter aren’t stupid, this is a pattern to stir doubt and create ambiguity in the population…

    • proreason says:

      “this is a pattern to stir doubt and create ambiguity in the population…”

      is that one of Alinsky’s rules Consil? is it supposed to keep adults off balance?

      As I said, I like the looney tunes because I think it shows them for what they are…..but then, we are SANE. You might remember that I said right out of the box that the “soak the vet” scheme wouldn’t fly. But there may be some demented method behind the madness that I don’t get. Along the lines of playing loud music to the terrorists.

    • proreason says:

      Consil, had another insight about the soak-the-vets scheme. Maybe it’s what you are talking about.

      It’s clear the Commiebama’s are using Rush and the AIG bonuses as a diversion, but the more I think about the soak scheme, it appears they are throwing up policies like this one as flak to divert their enemies (us) from attacking the real mission.

      Soak-the-vets was never going anywhere, but it absorbed some energy that would otherwise have been directed at the Master Plan, which is, of course, 1) create Massive Debt to cripple the economy, 2) destroy private health care to create dependency on the government, 3) impose Cap and Trade to cripple private business, and 4) take total control of the country.

      We should be alert to other flak attacks and keep our eye on the bombers instead of the shrapnel.

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