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CIA’s ‘Caterpillar Torture’ Not Even Used

First we have this from a wildly cheering Politico:

Obama consulted widely on memos

White House senior adviser David Axelrod says President Barack Obama spent about a month pondering whether to release Bush-era memos about CIA interrogation techniques, and considered it “a weighty decision.”

“He thought very long and hard about it, consulted widely, because there were two principles at stake,” Axelrod said . “One is … the sanctity of covert operations … and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.”

The president consulted officials from the Justice Department, the CIA, the director of National Intelligence and the Homeland Security Department, according to his adviser.

“It was a weighty decision,” Axelrod said. “As with so many issues, there are competing points of view that flow from very genuine interests and concerns that are to be respected. And then the president has to synthesize all of it and make a decision that’s in the broad national interest. He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

A former top official in the administration of President George W. Bush called the publication of the memos “unbelievable.”

“It’s damaging because these are techniques that work, and by Obama’s action today, we are telling the terrorists what they are,” the official said. “We have laid it all out for our enemies. This is totally unnecessary. … Publicizing the techniques does grave damage to our national security by ensuring they can never be used again — even in a ticking-time- bomb scenario where thousands or even millions of American lives are at stake."

“I don’t believe Obama would intentionally endanger the nation, so it must be that he thinks either 1. the previous administration, including the CIA professionals who have defended this program, is lying about its importance and effectiveness, or 2. he believes we are no longer really at war and no longer face the kind of grave threat to our national security this program has protected against.”

Obama did not act on an arbitrary timeline. There was a deadline in a court case with the ACLU on Thursday. It had been extended, but the ACLU was not going to agree to another.

So this was all done in the name of “transparency”?

Mr. Obama won’t even tell us what cuts he is going to make to the Department of Defense, but he pretends this information had to be released to the world for transparency?

“I don’t believe Obama would intentionally endanger the nation, so it must be that he thinks…”

Where did they find such a dupe? Of course Mr. Obama would endanger our nation. He wants to punish it. He believes it’s exactly what we deserve.

Mr. Obama has all of his life been told that the United States is an evil oppressive government, especially in its foreign policies and war-mongering.

After all, Reverend Wright is Mr. Obama’s “spiritual mentor.”

What did Mr. Wright say again? “Damn the US of KKK”?

Well, we’re seeing that happen before our very eyes.

And here are some excerpts from the CIA memos, via the Chicago Tribune:

Excerpts from the memos

April 17, 2009

Justice Department lawyers said in a "top secret" memo to the CIA that they could place Abu Zubaydah, one of the highest-ranking members of Al Qaeda, in a cramped confinement box, and introduce insects into the box under the following conditions. An excerpt of the memo, dated Aug. 1, 2002, reads:

"As we understand it, you plan to inform Zubaydah that you are going to place a stinging insect into the box, but you will actually place a harmless insect in the box, such as a caterpillar.

If you do so, to ensure that you are outside the predicate act requirement, you must inform him that the insects will not have a sting that would produce death or severe pain.

If, however, you were to place the insect in the box without informing him that you are doing so, then, in order to not commit a predicate act, you should not affirmatively lead him to believe that any insect is present which has a sting that could produce severe pain or suffering or even cause death. (material redacted with black lines here) so long as you take either of the approaches we have described, the insect’s placement in the box would not constitute a threat of severe physical pain or suffering to a reasonable person in his position."

The tactic ultimately was not used.

Another excerpt referred to a process called "walling" in which an interrogator grasps the subject and slams him into a wall. Part of the memo reads:

"For walling, a flexible false wall will be constructed. The individual is placed with his heels touching the wall.

The interrogator pulls the individual forward and then quickly and firmly pushes the individual into the wall.

It is the individual’s shoulder blades that hit the wall. During this motion, the head and neck are supported with a rolled hood or towel that provides a c-collar effect to help prevent whiplash. To further reduce the probability of injury, the individual is allowed to rebound from the flexible wall. You have orally informed us that the false wall is in part constructed to create a loud sound when the individual hits it, which will further shock or surprise the individual. In part, the idea is to create a sound that will make the impact seem far worse than it is and that will be far worse than any injury that might result from the action."

You read that right.

Caterpillars were considered for use to “torture” Mr. Zubaydah.

But note that in actuality they weren’t ever used. (A detail that seems to be missing from most media reports on these crimes against humanity.)

You, as well as our nation’s enemies everywhere, can read the rest of the memos here courtesy of the taxpayer supported “charity,” the ACLU.

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, April 17th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

24 Responses to “CIA’s ‘Caterpillar Torture’ Not Even Used”

  1. proreason says:

    Olenin is 100% IN FAVOR of transparency when it comes to disclosing secrets about national security to our enemies.

    And he is 100% OPPOSED to even allowing his political opponents to read his class and generational warfare legislation.

    WE are his enemies.

    • Enthalpy says:

      Yes, it is a matter of perspective. Social justice and fairness must always trump honor and allegiance to the United States in their view. Whose head was that freedom fighter holding, by the way?

    • heykev says:

      Your exactly right Pro. BHO is in favor of his version of Transparency which is anything which makes him look good or others look bad. Bonus points if he can actually help our enemy’s.

      I wonder why Axelrod’s taking so much time in making this decision and sending it TOTUS, so BHO can let us know which why the wind is blowing?

      Speaking of transparency, why haven’t we seen his transcripts or his thesis paper?

  2. wardmama4 says:

    They got what they wanted – a lie to headline their old, tried and true lies about evil bushitlerburtonco. These anti-American Klownposse in DC need 1) a diversion since a majority (since that is how they insist on governing) is turning against them and of course from their daily anti-American statements, legislation, and ‘reports’, 2) a way to gin up the foaming at the mouth (and the truly dangerous and violent) leftist extremists again to rant and rally against Bush (note to Klownposse in DC, shh, he’s out of office), 3) which they can then use to waste a couple of billion dollars and about 6 months to a year ‘investigating’ the criminality of the Bush Administration – while blithly going on ignoring the criminality of The One ™ and most everyone in his Administration.

    Keep it up – and you will get exactly what you are looking for – a massive Change in DC and America – and none of you moroons in the Klownposse in DC, the Obama Administration and those enablers in the msm are going to like it at all.

  3. catie says:

    That picture is sickening, disgusting and worse. However, Obama the and liberals feel that we must be kind to these morons. If they had the chance they would do the same thing to all these liberals.

    • jobeth says:

      You know Catie, I think all the morons who think we should be kind to these monsters should have to sit in a room with pictures like this…especially the ones where Americans…fighting for THEIR right to act like a complete idiot…were tortured or beheaded until these images are so seared in their brains they can’t sleep.

      Oh H***, that would be a wast of time. These empty headed nuts (like the little pink b*tches) don’t have a brain to sear.

      This photo has brought tears to my eyes as do the others I’ve seen like it.

      Axelrod’s statement “He’s been thinking about this for four weeks, really.”

      Yeah I can imagine he has…It’s taking him a long time to find a way to get this out to hurt Bush and the USA…all the time looking for a way it won’t come back and bite him in the arse!

      As for his “transparency”. He won’t start with his own plans to cripple the US’s economy.

      “Quick, Quick, sign here…no! don’t have time to read anything…just sign here! I really mean it….sign here or the world will end!”

      It gets me how our reps in DC would fall in line to do that. I would run as fast as I can if someone asked me to sign something without reading it. And this ain’t no used car folks…Its our way of life. Transparency my ARSE!!!

    • catie says:

      Jobeth, every time I see one of those arses on tv yapping about being kind to terrorists I always wish someone would ask them how they would feel if their loved ones died in the next terrorist attack and it was found out later that if they had only waterboarded sammy al silly man the plot may have come out and may have been stopped. But they never do. Which makes almost wish that if people have to die again, that those who do die are related to those like that Jeffry Tobin, the code stinkers, etc. But that never happens. They just sit there all smug and pat themselves on the back because they’re so wonderful and gracious.

  4. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Catie, despite the overwhelming historical evidence before them, most liberals still firmly believe that an antagonist will leave you alone if you show them that you mean no harm. But 9-11 proved this all wrong. The hijacking terrorists lived in our country for years. Saw how we lived but still held firm to their convictions that we were all infidels and needed to die. Forget the good cop bad cop routine with these monsters. Stick with the old tried and true method of bad cop, bigger badder meaner SOB cop.

  5. mybrotherkeeper says:

    I just want to know what you think..What would Obama do if faced with this choice: Torture a terrorist or suffer politically?
    I’m very curious as to your answers.

    Also, if you ever saw one of these beheading videos, you’d note that the terrorists usually use a butter knife.

  6. Rusty Shackleford says:

    Yeah, I knew people like this in school…in the workplace….etc. Bullies. And the notion that a bully will leave you be if you ignore them, or even better, become their friend. Well…on a personal level it never worked for me. Even try as I might. So I swore off trying to placate bullies and decided that if they wouldn’t leave me alone, I would do my best to humiliate them every chance I got. Sometimes it took awhile, but it worked every time. There were times when the justice was so sweet. Sometimes it took physically hurting them. Other times, it took giving them a dose of their own medicine in the form of a cruel joke.

    But the stakes are much, much higher and they are for real. Something that O-bow-me doesn’t understand nor will he ever because he doesn’t live in reality. According to String Theory, there are at least 11 parallel universes. Barry lives in the one where lollipops grow on trees, as does money and it’s a place where “there are no losers/winners”. Everyone is equal…except him because (heh, heh) SOMEbody has to be in charge and it should be the smartest one, which is Barry.

    In this parallel universe, there are only black people. And…somehow they are all victims. hard to understand since….if they are all victims, there must be at least one perpetrator. But…..with them all being victims…except Barry…I guess the answer becomes academic.

    Also in this parallel universe, everyone has the same amount of money. Even if you buy or sell something….you never lose or gain any. So nobody uses any. Work is for “other people” too. But since they are all victims, they have to wait for “other people” to take care of them. And, as mentioned before, the only one who’s not a victim…is Barry. So…he is charged with taking care of them. But…in this parallel universe, no matter what he does to help them never changes the status-quo….because they are all equal, all the time. He cannot give anything to one of them, without giving it to all. He cannot take something without taking it from all. So they are always neutral. Gender neutral, race-neutral, income-neutral, ambition-neutral, creativity-neutral, well, you get the idea.

    Scientists have a name for this particular parallel universe.

    It’s called “The Liberal Mind”

    • jobeth says:

      Ummm, wonder what the global warming “Scientists” are called.

      Wait!….. I have it! STUPID

  7. jobeth says:

    “Caterpillars were considered for use to “torture” Mr. Zubaydah.”

    LOL…I have really funny image in my head with Mr. Zubaydah and the caterpillars.

    But Caterpillars?! What a wimp!

    I could understand a great big Roach….(((((shiver)))) ugh…

  8. canary says:

    “I don’t believe Obama would intentionally endanger the nation, so it must be that he thinks either 1. the previous administration, including the CIA professionals who have defended this program, is lying about its importance and effectiveness, or 2. he believes we are no longer really at war and no longer face the kind of grave threat to our national security this program has protected against.”
    Some top official. Obama is the intentional danger to the nation. 1. is irrational reason to release. 2 makes no sense when Obama is supposedly sending more troops.

    Best solution would be for Obama to quit meeting with the lesser threat leaders, show how brave he is and set up private meetingn with Bin Laden, and use his charm and fancy talk to make peace with Bin Laden. That would be the greatest thing Obama could do for global world relations. Compared to Obama’s fear of right wing extremists, Bin Laden should be a piece of cake for Obama to meet with. We should pray for such a meeting to take place. Obama could save alot of soldiers lives, and win American’s respect. If Obama wants us to follow him, he needs to take the first steps and lead and show us there is a way to rehabilatate Obama. If any man can do it, it would be Obama. I think we should pray for this meeting to happen, soon as possible.

    • GL0120 says:

      I hate to say it but TCO would intentionally endanger us in the blink of an eye.
      His apology tour and his choice of friends has shown that he has nothing but contempt for the United States.

    • catie says:

      Canary, although I have to wonder why anyone would intentionally do danger to the country they supposedly loved I believe that is his and his inner circle (including the wife) intentions. I hoped that he would not intentionally harm the good old USA when he was elected but everything he’s done since has led me to believe otherwise. This is just the latest. Yes, he’s sending more troops but not enough and he’s set a date certain for exit in Iraq and has broadcast the number of people he’ll be leaving there with the caveat that well if things are bad he won’t but do you really thing he cares? Closing Gitmo, that’s the liberals favorite red herring. I don’t know who that unfortunate soul is whose head is in this picture but I don’t think Gitmo had much to do with their decision to separate his head from his body.
      He’s been in office less than 100 days and he’s done more harm than even Jimmy Carter did at this point in his term.

    • proreason says:

      ““I don’t believe Obama would intentionally endanger the nation”

      I believe his actions, not his words.

    • jobeth says:

      ““I don’t believe Obama would intentionally endanger the nation”
      I believe his actions, not his words.”

      Can anyone name ONE…just one…thing that he has done that has our country at heart? Just one is all I ask.

      I’m am dumbfounded at how blind and/or stupid some people are. Why, with nothing good coming from him, is he STILL getting the “benefit of the doubt” from these people.

      His actions fit a nicely planned set of actions that are in place to bankrupt the country…it’s people (no jobs and thereby losing their houses-{not the gimme group}) and to tear apart our defenses and give out all the secret papers he can to help the terrorists..as in the release of the interrogation methods.

      Naming people who have genuine fears are targeted as right wing extremists, all the while lets play kissy face with those that would love to see us fail. There’s a word for that and it’s treason.

      Oh yeah….I forgot…Obalmy wants us to fail too! I know I could go back and list all the things he and his (American hating and commie) friends have said, and all the things he’s done to show his own distaste for our country…but thankfully I am preaching to the choir here and you all know those things already.

      And by the way Obalmy….I am proud to be an “arrogant” American and you don’t appologize for me! I did noting to be ashamed of. I didn’t vote for YOU. YOU are the only thing that embarasses me….YOU!!!!!

    • proreason says:

      “Oh yeah….I forgot…Obalmy wants us to fail too”

      It CAN happen here.

      But through us, four generations will remember.

    • jobeth says:


      It really hurts to know mine and my children’s generation is letting the greatness this country fall through our fingers…especially after being raised during the time of the greatest generation, our parents who fought so hard in WWII.

      That is not to forget that the blood of the others of the Korean, Viet Nam, Gulf wars and a multitude of other skirmishes that needed settling by our guys. Their blood ran just as red and some gave just as much as the WWII guys and gals.

      But knowing we are so close to losing it all because of some dreamy eyed silly minded idiots, just kills me.

    • proreason says:

      “we are so close to losing it all ”

      Jobeth, as fast as they are running toward totalitarianism, we are running to stop it.

      The Tea Parties were huge and just a first step. People are waking up. We have wonderful spokespeople like Rush, Mark, Laura, Glenn and many others.

      Our politicians are still weak, but Mark Sanders, Bobbie Jindahl, Sarah, Romney and now Rick Perry are some good ones.

      And we have strong thinkers like Newt and the Cato Institute and Heritage Foundation.

      We have all been discouraged, myself more than most, but now is not the time to give up. Not now when some good things are beginning to happen.

      A key theme we need to hang onto is that it isn’t about us, it’s about our children and their children. That’s what I was thinking about when I said “It can happen here, but through us, generations will remember”. We have to not only stop it, but stop it for a long time. Because they don’t want to just stop us, they want to ruin us forever so we can never challenge their vision of domination again.

      We can’t give up.

  9. sheehanjihad says:

    “I could understand a great big Roach”……. I think the people making these decisions have been indulging in great big roaches for the bulk of their careers…..

    • Liberals Demise says:

      SJ……my guess is they are all a bunch of “TWEEKERS and “fatty” smokers!!

    • jobeth says:

      LOL, shows how my mind works…I meant a great big bug!
      However…your point makes perfect sense to me.

  10. VMAN says:

    I understand that Obama wants to outlaw wedgies, swirlies and wet willies also. These people are pathetic.

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