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Obama Says US Must Improve Muslim Ties

From his fellow defenders of the faith at Reuters:

President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama visit Istiqlal Mosque with Grand Imam Yaqub in Jakarta, Indonesia, Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2010.

Obama: more effort needed to improve Muslim ties

By Olivia Rondonuwu And Sunanda Creagh Wed Nov 10, 2010

JAKARTA (Reuters) – President Barack Obama said on Wednesday much more needs to be done to repair frayed U.S. relations with the Muslim world in an acknowledgement of the difficulties in eradicating "years of mistrust."

How has the US “frayed” relations with the Muslim world? By being a target? By not embracing Sharia Law? By supporting Israel? (See below.)

In a speech highlighting a nostalgic visit to Indonesia, where he spent four years as a young boy, Obama spoke fondly of his formative years in the world’s most populous Muslim country.

"Indonesia is a part of me," said Obama, who left around 10:45 a.m. (10:45 p.m. ET) for the G20 summit in South Korea, the next stop on a 10-day Asia tour…

Mr. Obama could no more deny his Indonesian heritage than he could deny his middle name.

His speech was an update to a major address he gave 17 months ago in Cairo where he declared a "new beginning" in U.S.-Muslim relations after the tensions over the September 11, 2001, attacks and the Bush government’s response to them.

It really is preposterous that we got so uptight about 9/11.

Since his Cairo address, irritants remain on both sides. Al Qaeda still seeks to attack its Western enemies. Little progress has been made in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian dispute and U.S. troops are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Confidence in Obama has dropped in many Muslim nations as a result.

In other words, we have entirely capitulated yet. We still support Israel. We haven’t surrendered in Iraq and Afghanistan. So the Muslims are disappointed. But, to be fair, Mr. Obama is doing his best:

"In the 17 months that have passed we have made some progress, but much more work remains to be done," Obama said.

Obama said "no single speech can eradicate years of mistrust" but he promised, "No matter what setbacks may come, the United States is committed to human progress. That is who we are. That is what we have done. That is what we will do."

What exactly does kowtowing to Muslims have to do with "human progress"? In fact, the argument can be made that there is no force on earth that is more opposed to human progress than Islam. (Cf. Winston Churchill’s thoughts on this topic.)

On the Middle East specifically, Obama said the Israeli-Palestinian peace process faces "enormous obstacles" after he relaunched talks in September only to see the dialogue bogged down over disputes between the parties.

"But let there be no doubt: we will spare no effort in working for the outcome that is just, and that is in the interest of all the parties involved: two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security." …

Yes, who can doubt that?

Speaking to a crowd of thousand that cheered him like a rock star, Obama said Indonesia served as a powerful example as an emerging democracy working to develop its economy and a Muslim nation that is tolerant of other religions.

"Your achievements demonstrate that democracy and development reinforce one another," he said…

What an absurd lie. Indonesian Christians are being attacked, their churches are being defiled and destroyed by Muslim ‘extremists’ — who face no prosecution from the government. Even minority Muslim sects are not safe there.

And, lest we forget, from 1965 to 1966 these famously tolerant Indonesian Muslims killed more than half a million infidels. But Mr. Obama can not be expected to know such ancient history.

Meanwhile, nobody can deny that Mr. Obama is doing his best to placate the Musselmen. From those defenders of the faith at the Associated Press:

Obama: Israel construction plans unhelpful

Tue Nov 9, 2010

JAKARTA, Indonesia – President Barack Obama has criticized Israel construction plans in East Jerusalem, saying they’re unhelpful to the pursuit of peace.

The president said he was concerned Israel and Palestinian were not making enough of an effort to advance peace negotiations.

Obama’s caution came as the Israeli government moved ahead with plans to build nearly 1,300 apartments in that disputed part of the city.

Israel has said the plans to seek public comment on the building plans were merely procedural. But the move comes on the heels of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s meeting with Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday.

Obama said he did not receive a briefing on the new construction.

Imagine the chutzpah of building on your own land without first getting permission from the King Of Kings.

This article was posted by Steve on Wednesday, November 10th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

13 Responses to “Obama Says US Must Improve Muslim Ties”

  1. canary says:

    The Jakarta Post: President Obama’s entourage brings Jakarta to a halt
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    Road closed: Scores of vehicles (right) wait on Jl. Gatot Subroto for the convoy of US President Barack Obama to pass through. Several roads were closed to motorists to make smooth passage for Obama’s motorcade on Tuesday. This led to massive traffic jams on several roads in Jakarta.

    This led to massive traffic jams on several roads in Jakarta. JP/Wendra Ajistyatama Jakarta could have been mistaken for a military parade ground on Tuesday evening, when hundreds of members of the police and the military stood guard along many kilometers of road to secure US President Barack Obama’s motorcade.

    Obama gleefully gave his remark about the road blockage in a joint press conference with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono later in the evening.

    “The landscape has changed completely since I was here in 1967. I remember people on becak — bicycle rickshaw things — or bemo, which were sort of like mobile taxis…Now, as president, I can’t see the traffic. The streets are blocked,” he said, followed by laughter from a crowd of officials and reporters.

    The road closures sparked outrage from city residents, who could only ponder what life in Jakarta might be like if its roads were always as clear as they were made for Obama.

    “Given these rainy conditions, how can [Obama] reach the State Palace from Halim Perdanakusuma airport in just 10 minutes,” Jakartan Renny Sutiyoso said on her Twitter feed.

    The city police have beefed up security in strategic locations in Jakarta by deploying more than 9,000 personnel for the duration of Obama’s 24-hour visit to the capital.

    The Jakarta Military Command meanwhile had deployed more than 5,000 personnel to help the city police secure the capital.

    In anticipation of Obama’s visit to Istiqlal Mosque on Wednesday, caretakers of the mosque said they were ready to welcome Obama, who is expected to tour inside the biggest mosque in Southeast Asia.
    “Just like any other state guest, Obama is expected to take off his shoes,” one of Istiqlal’s caretakers, Subandi, said as quoted by Antara news agency.


    Why would Obama be able to enter a mosque barefooted when he is not a muslim. ‘
    Why did Obama comment on traffic in 1967 when he was child, as he visited several times in high school, and as Senator when he had writers block, and saw the places where terrorist had bombed.

  2. canary says:

    excerpts from Full Text of Obama’s speech while in Indonesia

    Full text remarks during US President Barrack Obama’s state visit in Jakarta, Indonesia, Nov. 9-10
    Lecture at the University of Indonesia campus, Nov. 10 at link below or US org site.

    US President Barrack Obama:

    Let me begin with a simple statement: Indonesia is a part of me….

    Religion is the final topic that I want to address today, and – like democracy and development – it is fundamental to the Indonesian story.

    Like the other Asian nations that I am visiting on this trip, Indonesia is steeped in spirituality – a place where people worship God in many different ways. Along with this rich diversity, it is also home to the world’s largest Muslim population –

    Just as individuals are not defined solely by their faith, Indonesia is defined by more than its Muslim population.

    Innocent civilians in America, Indonesia, and across the world are still targeted by violent extremists. I have made it clear that America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam.

    Instead, all of us must defeat al Qaeda and its affiliates, who have no claim to be leaders of any religion – certainly not a great, world religion like Islam…………….

    But let there be no doubt: we will spare no effort in working for the outcome that is just, and that is in the interest of all the parties involved: two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security.

    The stakes are high in resolving these issues, and the others I have spoken about today. For our world has grown smaller and while those forces that connect us have unleashed opportunity, they also empower those who seek to derail progress.

    But I believe that the history of both America and Indonesia gives us hope. It’s a story written into our national mottos.

    Earlier today, I visited the Istiqlal mosque – a place of worship that was still under construction when I lived in Jakarta.

    President Yudhoyono, Mrs. Yudhoyono, to all the distinguished guests who are here today, thank you for this extraordinary honor. I am proud and humbled to accept this award on behalf of my mother. And although she could not be here in person, I know that my sister Maya Soetoro would be equally proud.

    And I know that much has been made about how a young boy could move between such different countries and cultures as Indonesia and the United States. And so it’s only natural that we should be partners in the world.
    I am fortunate to have a very strong partner in President Yudhoyono — Indonesia’s first directly elected president, and a leader who has guided this nation through its journey into democracy. And our two nations are fortunate that we are forging a partnership for the 21st century. And as we go forward, I’m reminded of a proverb: bagai aur dengan tebing — like bamboo and the river bank, we rely on each other.

    And so I would like to propose a toast. In the spirit of friendship between our two countries, we are reminded of the truth that no nation is an island, not even when you’re made up of thousands of islands. We all rely on each other together, like bamboo and the river bank. And like my mother riding between villages on a motorcycle, we are all stronger and safer when we see our common humanity in each other.

    So President Yudhoyono, and to all the distinguished who are here, thank you for your extraordinary friendship and the warmth with which you have received Michelle and myself. And I promise that it won’t take so long before I come back.

    Remarks by President Obama and President Yudhoyono of Indonesia Before Expanded Bilateral Meeting, Presidential Palace, Jakarta, Nov. 9, 2010

    President Yudhoyono:
    Last but not least, we also discussed the issue of the situation in the Middle East, including the issue of Palestine and Israel.

    And also I conveyed the His Excellency that the position of Indonesia is clear that we need a resolution on Palestine-Israel in a permanent, sustainable manner, a two-state solution and independence for the people of Palestine who are living in peace with the people of Israel,….(chocking cough in audience] community.

    Therefore, I wish to now invite President Barack Obama to convey his views to the Indonesian press and also to the U.S. press and the participants here. And I also truly hope that once again this framework for cooperation can truly bring benefit be it for the nation of the United States and Indonesia.

    I invite you, Mr. Barack.

    President Obama: Selamat sore. Thank you, President Yudhoyono, for your kind words, your gracious welcome and for your friendship and your partnership.

    and that this difficulty is dealt with in as effective way as possible. And so we are fully supportive of him.

    The United States will continue to support the relief efforts in any way that we can. And I hope that my presence here today is a reminder that, in good times and in bad times, the United States stands as a friend with Indonesia.

    Now, obviously, much has been made of the fact that this marks my return to where I lived as a young boy. I will tell you, though, that I barely recognized it. As I was driving down the streets, the only building that was there when I first moved to Jakarta was Sarinah. Now it’s one of the shorter buildings on the road. (Laughter.)

    But today, as President, I’m here to focus not on the past, but on the future —- the Comprehensive Partnership that we’re building between the United States and Indonesia.

    As one of the world’s largest democracies, as the largest economy in Southeast Asia and as a member of the G20, as a regional leader, as a vast archipelago on the front lines of climate change, and as a society of extraordinary diversity — Indonesia is where many of the challenges and the opportunities of the 21st century come together.

    At the same time, the United States is leading again in Asia. We are strengthening our alliances. We’re deepening relationships, as we’re doing with China. We’re re-engaging with ASEAN and joining the East Asia summit, and we’re forging new partnerships with emerging powers like Indonesia. So our Comprehensive Partnership is bringing our countries closer together. And I want to focus just on three key areas. And we discussed a wide range of issues during our meeting.

    First, as President Yudhoyono mentioned, we are looking to expand our trade and investment and commercial relationships because it can create prosperity in both our countries.

    Trade between us is growing fast —- and that includes American exports to Indonesia. And that’s why Indonesia is one of the growing markets that we’re going to be focused on as part of my initiative to double U.S. exports. President Yudhoyono and I discussed ways to create the conditions that would encourage additional trade and investment. He mentioned that we’re number three right now in terms of trade volume and investment. And I informed him we don’t like being number three; we want to be number one. (Laughter.)

    And so we’re going to be doing everything we can to expand this trading relationship.
    To strengthen cooperation in science and technology that fuels growth, we are going to be pursuing joint research in areas like energy and biodiversity conversation. And we are expanding educational partnerships between our young scientists, engineers and doctors. And building on the entrepreneurship summit that I hosted in Washington, which was attended by some very talented young Indonesians, I’m pleased that Indonesia will be hosting a regional entrepreneurship conference next year.

    As we prepare for the G20 and APEC summits, President Yudhoyono and I discussed the need to ensure that the global economic recovery is strong and balanced and is creating jobs in all of our countries. So that’s focus number one — trade, investment, and the economy.

    Second, we’re forging new ties between our people to address common challenges. We’re expanding partnerships between our students and our universities. We aim to double the number of educational exchanges between our two countries within five years. And I thank President Yudhoyono’s offer for additional scholarships for young Americans to study in Indonesia. I think that’s a wonderful thing that needs to happen.

    We’re proud to support Indonesia’s leadership under President Yudhoyono in confronting climate change. I understand there’s been a lot of rain this year, and obviously we can’t look at one year as indicative of the future but I think there’s no doubt that as an archipelago, Indonesia will be on the front lines when it comes to the potential impacts of climate change.
    So we’re glad to work with President Yudhoyono on this issue, and we welcome and will support the new partnership between Indonesia and Norway to slow emissions from deforestation and degradation of peat land.

    We’re bringing on — we’re building on Indonesia’s inspiring transition from dictatorship to democracy by launching a new effort to help Indonesian civil society groups who tackle corruption and promote human rights at home to share their experience with civil society groups across this region, because I think people can learn from the experiences of Indonesia.

    And I would note that many of the partnerships I’ve mentioned are a direct result of my call in Cairo for a new beginning between the United States and Muslim communities around the world. And it involves the private sector as well, thanks to efforts like Partners for a New Beginning, which is forging partnerships around science, education and entrepreneurship.

    The third element of our Comprehensive Partnership is to deepen our political and security cooperation. As President Yudhoyono mentioned, we’re already enjoying strong cooperation in preventing terrorism, preventing piracy. We look forward to Indonesia’s leadership as the chair of ASEAN next year, and I look forward to returning to Jakarta next year for the East Asia Summit.

    One of the challenges ASEAN and the world will continue to face is Burma, and I commend Indonesia for standing up for the people of Burma and their rights. Last week’s election in Burma was neither free, nor fair. And we will continue our efforts to move Burma toward democratic reform and protection of human rights. As a first step, the Burmese authorities should immediately and unconditionally release all political prisoners, including Aung San Suu Kyi.

    So, promoting prosperity, expanding partnerships between our people, and deepening political and security cooperation — these are the pillars of our new partnership, which owes so much to the leadership of my good friend President Yudhoyono. I believe that our two nations have only begun to forge the cooperation that’s possible. And I say that not simply as someone who knows firsthand what Indonesia can offer the world. I say it as President — a President who knows what Indonesia and the United States can offer the world together if we work together in a spirit of mutual interest and mutual respect.

    So terima kasih dan Assalamualaikum. (Applause.)

    Q Good evening, Mr. President. I speak in Indonesian because Mr. President has been in Jakarta. Lately, Mr. President, the region of Asia Pacific is developing and the development is extraordinary. There’s initiative, cooperation, and there is always promotion to a strategic partnership. What do you think is the role of the U.S. in the configuration of Asia Pacific in the future? Thank you very much, Mr. President.

    President Obama: Well, this is something that President Yudhoyono and I spent a lot of time discussing. Asia is the fastest-growing part of the world. It’s the fastest growing in terms of population. It’s the fastest growing set of economies. And so there’s enormous potential and enormous promise — but only if countries are cooperating, if they are observing basic rules of the road, if potential conflicts are resolved in a peaceful fashion.

    And so it’s very important I think to make sure that we have the kinds of multilateral institutions and architecture that can maximize the potential and minimize the challenges of a rapidly changing region.

    I think Indonesia is going to be a critical partner in that, a critical leader in that, primarily because it is a country that has figured out how to create a genuine democracy despite great diversity, and so I think can promote the kinds of values that will help people all across this region maximize their potential.

    What I’d like to see is that even as we continue to work through APEC on economic issues — it’s primarily an economic organization — that the East Asia Summit becomes a premier organizational structure to work on political and security issues. And I think under President Yudhoyono’s leadership next year, there’s enormous potential for us to start looking at some specific areas of common interest.

    One example that I mentioned in our bilateral meeting was the issue of the South China Sea and how various maritime issues, conflicts, can get resolved in a peaceful fashion. I think that’s something that everybody has an interest in, everybody has a concern in. But there may be a whole host of other issues like that in which the East Asia Summit is probably the ideal venue.

    Regardless of whether we’re talking about APEC or East Asia Summit, or for that matter the G20, Indonesia is going to have a seat at the table. And its leadership is going to be absolutely critical and the United States wants to make sure that we’re coordinating closely on all these issues of critical concern.

    Carol Lee of Politico. Where is Carol? There you go.

    Q Thank you, Mr. President. How would you assess your outreach to the Muslim world at this point in your presidency, particularly in light of some of the controversies back home? And if you could, give us some of your thoughts on what it’s like to return here as President of the United States.

    President Obama: Well —

    Q And may I, President Yudhoyono? Obviously President Obama spent some time here as a child and I wonder what your thoughts are and what special insights that gives him into the region. Thanks very much.

    President Obama: Well, I’ll take the second question first. I think it’s wonderful to be here — although I have to tell you that when you visit a place that you spent time in as a child, as President it’s a little disorienting. First of all, as I said before, the landscape has changed completely. When I first came here it was in 1967 and people were on becaks — which for those of you who aren’t familiar, is sort of a bicycle rickshaw thing. And if they weren’t on becaks, they were on bemos, which were — (laughter) — they were sort of like little taxis but you stood in the back and it was very crowded.

    And now as President, I can’t even see any traffic because they block off all the streets — (laughter) — although my understanding is that Jakarta traffic is pretty tough. But I feel great affection for the people here. And obviously I have a sister who’s half Indonesian. My mother lived and worked here for a long time. And so the sights and the sounds and the memories all feel very familiar. And it’s wonderful to be able to come back as President and hopefully contribute to further understanding between the United States and Indonesia.

    One of the things that’s striking is because it’s almost on the exact opposite side of the world, I think not enough Americans know about this great country. And hopefully my visit here will help to promote additional interest and understanding. People have heard of Bali and they’ve heard of Java, but they don’t always know how to locate it on a map back home. And I think that increasing awareness of Indonesia is something I’m very much looking forward to doing.

    Obviously this is a short visit. It’s a shorter visit than I would like. My hope is, is that we’re going to be able to come back and maybe bring the kids and visit some places outside of Jakarta. When you go to — inland, further into Java, there are just incredible places like Yogya, old ancient temples, and places that I have very fond memories of visiting when I was a kid. I’d love to do that.

    With respect to outreach to the Muslim world, I think that our efforts have been earnest, sustained. We don’t expect that we are going to completely eliminate some of the misunderstandings and mistrust that have developed over a long period of time. But we do think that we’re on the right path.

    So whether it’s our more active communications to press in Muslim countries, or exchange programs in which we’re having U.S. scientists and other educators visit Muslim countries, or that entrepreneurship summit that we had in Washington in which we invited young business leaders from Muslim countries all across — all around the world — what we’re trying to do is to make sure that we are building bridges and expanding our interactions with Muslim countries so that they’re not solely focused on security issues.

    Because you come to a place like Indonesia, which is the largest Muslim population in the world, but people here have a lot of other interests, other than security — that security is important, but I want to make sure that we are interacting with a wide range of people on a wide range of issues. And I think by broadening the relationship, it strengthens it, it builds trust, creates more people-to-people contact. That will be good for our security but it will also be good for the larger cause of understanding between the United States and the Muslim world.

    So I think it’s an incomplete project. We’ve got a lot more work to do. And it’s not going to eliminate some — or replace some tough dialogue around concrete policy issues. Those are going to continue. There are going to be some policy differences that we can’t avoid. But I do think it’s helping.

    President Yudhoyono: Could you repeat your questions to me?

    Q Thank you. I wanted to ask you — obviously, President Obama spent some time here as a child. And I wonder what your thoughts are, and how that gives him special insight into the region. Thank you.

    President Yudhoyono: I a few times having met with President Barack Obama, up to now one thing that I felt during our meetings, the understanding of the situation in developing countries, an understanding on the issues faced by a country like Indonesia that is often very complex. That makes it possible for President Barack Obama to see in a more clear situation what are the true challenges faced by the developing world. And therefore, the cooperation that we build between Indonesia and the United States, for example, is more precise. He understands more the challenges, the situation and obstacles that is faced by countries like Indonesia.

    That’s what I really felt when I met with him. And now I, too, can feel more easy to convey to him the issues that we are faced, the challenges faced by Indonesia, and therefore the agenda that we discuss together, including Comprehensive Partnership that we have discussed will be more precise and accurate for the benefit not only for Indonesia, but also for the people of the United States.

    Q Good evening, President Obama, and President Yudhoyono. My question is one, and it is to President Obama, regarding to the global economic crisis that still has impacts on the economy of the world today. The President of the United States, you have created a lot of unemployment in this region, East Asia. Do you think this affects the economic cooperation between Indonesia and the United States?

    And in the context of the G20, how do you see the effectiveness of the G20 to improving or the recovery efforts in the global economy? Because we still see many challenges faced by countries, especially in the area of currency.

    Full text remarks during US President Barrack Obama’s state visit in Jakarta, Indonesia, Nov. 9-10
    The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Wed, 11/10/2010 3:42 PM | Headlines
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    Lecture at the University of Indonesia campus, Nov. 10

    US President Barrack Obama:

    Last question on our side is Stephen Collinson of AFP.

    Q Thank you, Mr. President. As the President mentioned, events in the Middle East are watched very closely here. Does Israel’s advanced planning for more than a thousand new homes in Jerusalem undermine trust between the parties and undermine your peace efforts?

    President Obama: I have not — I’ve been out of town, so I’m just seeing the press reports.


    Obama’s accepts dead mother’s award while in Indonesia. Does this mean the documentary is a wrap.


  3. NoNeoCommies says:

    A great “improvement” would be to show the members of Islam that we consider them part of the problem if they aren’t obviously part of the solution.
    Bowing and scraping for them hasn’t worked very well, so how about being firm (and proud) in the defense of our country and culture.

    I suppose that will have to wait until 2012.

  4. GetBackJack says:

    Thank you, Canary.

    Obama: more effort needed to improve Muslim ties …. well, senor, I know a wide variety of knots to use in strengthening ties. One knot in particular slips easily but can hold any man’s weight.

    • canary says:

      Get Back Jack, thank you, I was worried I overdid it, but really been studying this. The first chapter I studied in Hope, was on the world beyond our borders, which dummie mostly wrote about. Go figure. He starts out most he learned was from his mother & articles she sent him. So, I also got an old book written in the 30’s to clear my mind. It was difficult to read. Conservative and liberal muslims. They’ve been fighting for centuries. Obama blames America from going over there a freeing them from the Dutch and Japs. It wan’t enough. We were suppose to stay there and fight their civil war. Makes no sense. The better the country and muslims became modern, the more Obama hated America for modernizing him.
      Now that Indonesia is going backwards, Obama has made a special U.S. partnership with them.

      Obama said that Indonesia hates America for getting involved with the Middle-East. To Indonesia he is no different, and talking money means nothing to those that want Jihad.

  5. Mae says:

    It is an amazement that Moslems have not put a fatwa out on a man who once worshiped as one of them. And attending a mosque, saying prayers to Allah, being declared a Moslem as a child, and being born to a Moslem in the eyes of many other Moslems makes you a believer. Little Barry knew the call to prayer and Big Barack can still sing it perfectly. Whatever he calls himself now does not erase the fact that he once worshiped as a Moslem. World leaders of that religion, such as al-Gaddafi, consider him one of them.

    So, of course, he would be promoting “improved ties.” Now that NASA is being used for that purpose, it’s time for Republicans in the House to defund any expenditure on NASA used to promote Islam.

    • Petronius says:

      Mae : “it’s time for Republicans in the House to defund any expenditure on NASA used to promote Islam.”

      Actually these expenditures by NASA are already unlawful. They violate the Anti-Deficiency Act, the Purpose Act, other Federal fiscal laws and acquisition regulations, all of which prohibit expenditure of appropriated funds for purposes not authorized by Congress. They are also unconstitutional in that they violate the separation of powers of the US Constitution, and Article I, sections 1, 8, and 9 (“No money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law….” Art I, sec. 9.).

      See my earlier post :


      The NASA outreach program is simply another instance where Nerobama and the regime have shown their contempt for the Constitution and for the rule of law. Rather than go through Congress, they make stuff up and do as they please.

      Now that the Republicans control the House, we are apt to see more legislation and appropriations coming out of the White House and executive agencies in the days ahead.

    • proreason says:

      “It is an amazement that Moslems have not put a fatwa out on a man who once worshiped as one of them”

      good point.

      Isn’t it the worst of crimes to foresake the faith.

      You would think there would be billions of Muslims strapping themselves up to take down a man who proudly proclaims him Christian faith.

      But then, isn’t it also a precept of Islam that its advocates lie and cheat to trick the heathens. So lying for a good cause is a requirement and a recognized liar would be admired, not killed.


      hushpuppy will know the answer

    • tranquil.night says:

      Worship is action, not words.

      Just as well, “if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it..”

      A sizeable chunk of Moose-limbs probably know little more than they are told, hate whoever they are commanded to hate, incited by whatever relevant verse of the Koran their Clerical Ruling Class cites.

      It’s probably less to do with the politics of religion as it is the typical religion of politics. You don’t live by rules as a tyrant, you create them. To hell with whether it’s coherent in the long term. There is no long-term truth – life is constantly evolving, the game constantly changing. Islam codifies this belief as well even while trying to mask it in the static deity of Allah’s Laws, and that’s why those who’re “cunning” (liars) are revered as the most intelligent. The foundation of the faith itself is intellectually dishonest. That, along with it’s juxtaposition to the philosophy of Judeo-Christianity, is why it’s so naturally compatible with the Western Left , who one is inclined to believe hate the idea of any religion. That’s not the case at all. They just hate the one’s that promote and inspire individual empowerment via liberty.

  6. canary says:

    Reuters couldn’t even show one picture of the 1 thousand props treating Obama like a rock star. 8000 National Police have had to stop violent protests against Obama in the days prior and during Obama’s visit.

    The entire world media had a gag order. The media in Indonesia stopped reporting and scrubbed the growing violence by radical muslims after Obama was elected. Such media control.

  7. Liberals Demise says:

    Treat him as a rock star? So be it…….you can have him and his dog…….think, think, think.

  8. Liberals Demise says:

    “Obama Says US Must Improve Muslim Ties”


    Stopped bowing , did we?
    Why not lay us out ; soft belly up; to our enemies with a smile?
    My count has it that they owe us…………..BIG TIME!!

  9. hushpuppy says:

    “Obama Says US Must Improve Muslim Ties”

    How about: Muslims Must Improve Christian Ties ?

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