SubscribeAnti-Middle Class Wright Builds $1.6M House
From our friends at Fox News:
Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, March 27, 2008
By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.
But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.
A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.
FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community…
According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.
Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.
The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.
Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.
But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.
There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.
“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.
Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.
Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS…
“This is about how these kinds of churches work,” notes Walsh. “These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don’t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We’re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.” …
Still more proof that Mr. Wright is just a Farrakhan wannabe.
There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.”
Oh, really?
Well, it’s not like this weird cult has anything to do with Christianity.
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March 28th, 2008 at 2:14 am
i removed what i wrote- maybe another time
March 28th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Jim Jones, Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts, Jim and Tammy Baker, Reverend Wright…anyone see a common factor here? I’ll give you a clue. It isn’t race and the color is green. Elmer Gantry would have been proud.
March 28th, 2008 at 8:00 am
He (Jeremiah Wright) got his - yes in a long line of ‘religion’ hustlers (every profession has it’s sleeze) - he however, took race baiting and hatred to a whole new level and hid it behind the religious mantle.
And still he profits from his propheteering. . .And so it goes.
I call it an abomination of the words Reverand, Christian and Church - when are other Christian religions, Religious Leaders and the UCC going to do the same?
I have my faults - hating someone because of their color, blaming someone not of my color for my failures and raking in millions while using the words God and Christian are not my sins - Those of the Church are to stand up and extort someone who continues to fail at adhering to the Christian principles while calling themselves Christian - it is to bring shame upon the belief - this is no worse than those of Islam who refuse to call out the radical terrorists who are highjacking their religion.
The problem with Wright and radical islamic terrorists is that they both hide behind a ‘religion’ and thusly many are rendered silent toward their abominations - their sprewings and actions - will get innocents killed. . .and propagate more hatred and violence - all in the (false) name of God. . .
March 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
wardmama4 writes….. …”Those of the Church are to stand up and extort someone who continues to fail at adhering to the Christian principles while calling themselves Christian - it is to bring shame upon the belief - this is no worse than those of Islam who refuse to call out the radical terrorists who are highjacking their religion.”
That’s a great point wardmama4. We, Christians, should all raise our voices in disgust and denounce this kind of preaching and this brand of so called Christianity. That goes for Sharpton, Jackson or any other pastor, priest, preacher or deacon of any race, creed or color and denomination saying these things. It’s a corruption of the religion. Anyone not preaching the love of Jesus, forgiveness of sins through repentance and acceptance of any and all peoples should be shunned.
Hatred may be protected free speech, but it doesn’t have to be tolerated. Nor do we have to allow a follower of that kind of hate to get a free ride in our election for POTUS. The press may make excuses for Obama, but I’m telling everyone who’ll listen who he really is and what he really believes. I can hold my nose for McCain for a while and I might could even stomach Hillary as long as we have staunch fighters in the congress, but I refuse to sit by and watch the blind devotion of mind numbed robots following in lockstep with every flowery word that comes out of Obama’s mouth elect this idiot to the highest office in our great land. He’s a dangerous man and he’ll submit our country to all manner of hells if he’s allowed to continue unchecked.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
“Living poor” and “fleecing the flock” are pretty much the two extremes. Most protestant pastors should expect to make a decent living, anywhere from as low as $30,000 to as high as $90,000 annually. Or at least those were the regular two extremes I found when I was looking at getting ordained. Note that those closer to the thirty thousand range generally had a house provided for them by their church.
From a worldly perspective if you bring in more customers, if you’re a headliner, you should get paid more, but from a Godly perspective those tithes should go to charity. No one should ever become a minister for the pay check. Which is one of the reasons I didn’t become a minister. Mind you, I was barely making ends meet at the time and it was a tempting offer to become financially secure, but that’s no reason to become a pastor.
Not that there’s any biblical proclamations against attaining wealth. There are many rich men in the bible, from Abraham and Job to Joseph of Arimathea. Can’t think of any rich Levites though.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am
WAyyyyy too close for my comfort.
March 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Just more evidence of the “through the looking glass” world the liberals have turned this country into. White racists are publicly admonished and punished while black racists are protected and rewarded.
March 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
If TUCC is non-profit, then I’m the Queen of Sheba…!!
IMHO, the IRS needs to do away with non-profit status for churches along with other so-called NP’s that claim to be apolitical. At a minimum, restrict the dollar amount that NP’s are allowed to take in (and not account for).
Back on topic, Revrun Away Wit’da Moolah Wright is not just a race baiting hustler, he’s also a tax cheat and con-man. He buys property in his name for $345k in 2004, then turns around and sells it to the “church” for $308k in 2006 with the sales proceeds going to a tax free “trust”. WTF??
As the article states, this may be legal, but only in the sense that these con artists are using the church’s NP status and associated loopholes in the tax code, to avoid paying personal taxes.
I call that tax evasion by Wright and his minions.
March 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Wasn’t there something in his church’s mission statement that said blacks should not aspire to middle-class status. I guess what he meant was it’s O.K. to be black and poor or black and rich but there shouldn’t be any middle-class–just like all those african and south american countries.
March 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I wonder what was wrong with his old house in/around Beverly. New Digs next to Tweeter Center or what ever it’s called now http://earth.google.com/ ithaca ct tinley park, il
The details…. http://www.webofdeception.com/#wright
March 28th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
hiya
(TNPrisoners) it also says to go for “incomeness” wid all yer might…
pairing growth - economic fairness - and shared prosperity -
funny thing about these marxist-socialist belly achers; They are much like the Wrights who must have a negative
message to achieve a positive cash flow so that their Leaders can take their dollars and souls to enjoy the benefits
of the capitalist prosperity they condemn as having condemned the condemned…. A kool-aid prosperity..want fries with that?
March 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I’m reminded of an incident recorded in the old St. Louis Globe-Democrat newspaper back in the early ’60’s. One of our military leaders was being escorted around Moscow by one of his Soviet counterparts during some sort of junket or other. The U.S. military man said to his Russian guide, “I thought under Communism all persons were equal, yet I see many examples of how your military and government officials are so much better off than the common man. Why is that?” To which his guide tersely replied, “We are equal, only some of us are more equal than others.” Wright definitely took his socialist/communist/Marxist indoctrination to heart and put it to work for himself.
March 30th, 2008 at 2:51 am
…it’s hard to imagine why the pastor disaster moved from the community that enriched him, unless he’s fully-retired from his career of exploiting gullible blacks to enjoy the rewards of white capitalism.
moderateconservative.com
I find it hard to imagine he’s not going home to Africa.
March 30th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Man, how profitable is non profit!?!? DAY…………….UMMMMM………………………….!
March 31st, 2008 at 2:30 am
I think the church has membership in the thousands. I would guess a parsonage of that size is not unusual for a church that big and that old. What say you Kytross? What do well-know ministers at very large churches live like after 30 plus years? I mean seriously, how much do you think Oprah tithed when she was there in route to becoming a billionaire?
I’m sure the church has had it’s share of wealthy members. Financially it probably makes sense for the church to buy a nice house in a good neighborhood as a parsonage for the retiring minister.
I know I am frustrating some of you who are enjoying your rage, but as I scan the site and read sarcastic racist comments and calls for genocide followed by denial that blacks or Muslims are the victims of racism or hate. Then anger over Hillary or Barack saying something positive about someone they disagree with. Anger because you think that you have to score hirer on the DMV exam to get your license than Asians?? If minorities suggest that the system is bias against them, we are angry because they are lazy and wining about victim hood which is false because they are filing to take responsibility. And if they get together at church and work on their community we hate them because they are now a racist non-Christian church focusing on helping only African Americans.
I can only wonder what you would do to so long-haired minority kid conceived out of wedlock, child of a teenage mother from a lowlife town who came talking about peace, love and moral responsibility. Tack him to a cross?? Again? I really don’t think you should be declaring who is and is not a Christian based on 90 seconds of
video selected with a political agenda.
John, the original phrase is “All animals are created equal. But some are more equal than others.” It’s from Animal Farm by George Orwell. The story is an allegory for the Soviet Socialist revolution and it’s fall from idealism to totalitarian state. The Russian was either being clever or the story is bogus since I doubt the book was allowed in Russia then.
The book was a popular tool in high schools for teaching kids the evils of Socialism. Orwell was himself a democratic socialist and said so in the forward so it took careful censoring of the book’s forward by US publishers to make sure we all got the wrong impression of what the book was about.
Ok back to the flow.. Al Gore, spend a bunch of money retrofitting the huge house his father built but it still uses more energy than the average house 1/5 it’s size. What a Hippocrit!!
John Edwards- Self-made Millionaire who earned his money fighting for the little man against tobacco companies and other large cooperations. Claims he cares about the poor but still gets hair cuts light the millionaire pretty boy that he is. Disgusting!! Hypocrite!!!
And now this Wright guy. Preaching about love, but getting so angry about injustices that he has said several mean unkind things on at least 5 occasions in his 32 year career. Thank God we are not like him!!
Take it from there Guy
-S
March 31st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Sojouner - You need to stand for something or as I can see from your glass half empty opinion, that you can fall for anything
March 31st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
You are all so unbelievable.
How many white Christian televangelists make untold millions off of the lower-middle class? Screaming hate against gays, lesbians and generally anyone that doesn’t share your religious views.
Calling his church a cult?? Im a proud atheist and i can clearly see that the only reason this author is saying that is because he’s black, from a black church and supporting a democratic candidate.
Racism in its purest form.
This is the problem with all you conservatives. You refuse to see outside what YOUR pastor tells you. You would rather spend your life telling the rest of us what we should be doing because YOUR religion tells you its the right way.
I see no difference between Christianity and Muslims in this area.
Im just your average married, 30yo, middle class white male and you people are the only thing that shames me about this country.
Let people live the way they want too and you live yours bottled up in some book written a couple thousand years ago.
March 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’m hardly as ill-informed as you suggest, and your condescension is duly noted. The quote wasn’t from animal farm it was from a story in the indicated paper. I can’t go to the archives to retrieve it since the paper is now defunct and has been for decades. And if you think that books weren’t availabe to the soviets, you truly are naive. Spare me with the poor “illegitimate baby Jesus born out of wedlock” shtick. You know nothing of which you speak. You find a racist everywhere you look, so apparently you shave with your eyes closed or you’d see one in the morning. You are too clever, by half.
On another note, if John Edwards is your hero for the way he made his money then you are as despicable as the little ambulance chaser himself. Oh yeah, all that money the tobacco companies are paying off their fine with–it comes from the sale of tobacco, which costs falls disproportionally on the poor. But never mind that the increased taxes go to the government coffers, too. You’d find half the stuff you’ve posted is just so much bullsh*t if you cared enough to look instead of parroting some one else’s talking points.
And if you think that in 32 years that Wright has only shot his mouth off five times, ……….well, wassail!! Tin-foil hats and Kool-Aid for everyone. As Frank Bullit said to Congressman Chalmers in the movie ‘Bullit’, “You can sell anything you want anywhere else you want, Chalmers. But not here. Not tonight”.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
To Ceeser,
From a Christian perspective if this church claims to be a part of the universal church then other members of the church have every right (and obligation) to judge the theology being taught therein. I think if you cared to investigate you would find most of the people who believe and regularly read the thousand year old book deplore hypocrisy regardless of the source. If you would indulge a bit of self reflection I will quote your comment, changing just a few words.
“This is the problem with all of you (atheists). You refuse to see outside what your YOUR (ignorant high school teachers taught) you. You would rather spend your life telling (us Christians) what we should (believe and teach our children) because YOUR (ACLU) tells you its the (tolerant) way.”
My intent is not to put words in your mouth but to illustrate how ignorant generalizations ruin your argument. Lastly, let me apologize for in anyway associating you with the ACLU, the devil himself wouldn’t desire that.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Hey ceeser,
Do you know everything there is to know? No? Then how can you call yourself an atheist? At best you’re an agnostic. I suggest you do a little research to figure out which is which.
Nobody cares what race Wright is. He’s a hate America first liberal, as you are, and a racist hypocrite. I don’t care where the old bastard lives or whether he duped his congregation into building him a house. I could care less because it isn’t my money. But don’t compare Christians, who have saved and fed more souls on this planet than any liberal ever will, to Muslims who have imprisoned and killed almost as many people on this planet as atheists have.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I know the difference, no need for the research.
Thats so Bushy to say that he hates America. Many of us are very unhappy with American domestic policy and voice it loudly, as Rev. Wright did. You may not be so you choose to disagree with what he says. Fine by me. You will probably never be in a situation that you’ll have to understand his side of the fence. Maybe if you have a daughter that marries a black man you will be forced to understand that life from over their is not as wonderful as FOX news leads you to believe.
Im pretty sure that the Christian conversion machine over the last couple thousand years has been responsible for many, many more deaths and imprisonments over the years than most other religions combined by the way.
Oh, David, I see your point and well made. Different views from different views.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Welcome Ceeser and Sojourner to the frey. Its usually just me againt the conservative throng.
March 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Noyz I know Rev Wright very well and he does not hate America and he does not hate all White people. He points out when Blacks are fcuking up as well as when Whites do. Its not racial!!!!
All 12,000 members of TUCC know exactly what the ministry of Trinity is about. Believe it or not White people are not always the focus of the sermon.
March 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Ceeser research is valuable,
From atheistic communist and soviet governments: 110,000,000 killed. (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM)
From babies aborted in complete rejection of God’s commandments (number only from only in the US since 1973): 39,290,477, I will understand if your political perspective keeps you from accepting these as deaths. (http://www.nrlc.org/news/2000/NRL02/how.html)
Are you willing to accept these murders as the legacy of your stated belief system? Or should Christianity be held to a different standard? If you feel that later is more true, that Christianity should be held to a different standard it is good to know you are on the path realizing the error of you ways.
March 31st, 2008 at 5:24 pm
In my context it is a different standard.
Communism is government. Thats like saying every death caused by any OTHER means than religion counts toward that number. Soviets and Chinese under Mao were not killed because they refused to repudiate there god, they were killed so they didnt rise against the installed government. Thats merely killing to maintain power in their respective country. Thinking it was for any other reason is just being ignorant. Christians have been killing each other and those who refuse to submit/convert for a long, long, long time.
As to the abortion thing, yea, not gonna even go near that. Ill never, ever understand why you feel that whats written in your book should decide if my wife and I want to have a child or not.
March 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Communism was/is a secular religion–the official party line. If you don’t understand that, it’s pointless to discuss anything else. It differs little from islam in that respect. But even if, as you say…”Thats merely killing to maintain power in their respective country…” explain why the practice of ANY religion was cause for death and/or imprisonment under communism. Once again, just like islam, a religion of political ideology.
You and your compatriots have been saying for years that…”Christians have been killing each other and those who refuse to submit/convert for a long, long, long time….”. Bring something supportable to the table besides trumped up numbers that you can’t substantiate. Your merely saying it doesn’t make it so no matter how many times you repeat it. Put forth some real proof or quit flapping your gums!
One last item; you seem pretty self-righteous with your comment that nothing within my belief system….”should decide if my wife and I want to have a child or not….”. I’ll even agree with you whole-heartedly. Have all you want, or don’t have any. But, you justify for me why you feel that once you have created that life, it is yours to nurture or kill at your discretion. Do you mean that the two of you have no responsibility to or for your own actions. It would seem that’s what you believe. Why would aborting a child just before the head is delivered, or allowing a baby that has survived an induced-labor abortion to die on the delivery table, any different from killing that child at age three or five or…..just because it has somehow become inconvenient for you to fulfill the role of parent or gets in the way of your lifestyle? Drone on, but you cannot justify an abortion, that’s why you are….”not gonna even go near that….” by your own admission. I’ll pray for you and your self-damning beliefs. You’re more to be pittied than scorned.
March 31st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Ceeser, along your reasoning systems of governments are responsible for the killings they commit and not the “-isms” behind their motives. In that case the governments behind things like the crusades and the inquisition are responsible for the vast majority of the “Christians killing each other” you mentioned previously. If the governments (more accurately the individuals in power) are responsible then the “ism” they used (namely Christianity) cannot be held responsible for those actions. You simply cannot have it both ways. When a institution of power kills to maintain its grip on power, whether that institution be founded on the principles of theism or atheism, it is the institution that deserves the blame not the principles. I believe that to be your defense of the legacy of atheism but yet as you mention you hold Christianity to a higher standard. Why do you think you have a different standard for “Christian” governments than you have for “atheistic” governments? It would seem one system has a higher value to it to you than the other and oddly it is not the one you are putting your faith in.
March 31st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
ceeser says….
“…Christians have been killing each other and those who refuse to submit/convert for a long, long, long time.”
How about some proof? If you’re referring to the Spanish inquisition; that only lasted from 1476 to 1834 and an estimated 2,000 people were executed and was conducted by people who bastardized the religion for secular reasons. Mainly power and revenge. Muslims killed more people in one day in this country and atheists…..well, you can see the numbers listed by David above.
ceeser says….
“…..Ill never, ever understand why you feel that whats written in your book should decide if my wife and I want to have a child or not.”
That’s a mighty slippery slope your on there. Watch your step. Who’s next; older people who can’t take care of themselves and are inconvenient to you and your lifestyle or maybe, as in the case of Terri Schindler-Schiavo (RIP), people you no longer deem necessary and worthy of life?
Last time I checked, you are free to believe whatever you like and I know of no Christians trying to force their lifestyle on anyone else, but quoting the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY); “You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.”
March 31st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
BTW Here’s the “Religion of Peace”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Be sure to scroll down and check the stats at the bottom of the page.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:56 am
JohnMG - I’m hardly as ill-informed as you suggest, and your condescension is duly noted.
Condescension? Not really, you quoted a story from a paper and I think that at best the author missed the point and wondered if it was an urban legend. But honestly, I’m surprised to see you taking duly noting as negative anything I have posted. In the 2 messages you have sent directed to me me you have said:
You know nothing of which you speak.
if you think that books weren’t available to the soviets, you truly are naive.
You are too clever, by half.
you are as despicable as the little ambulance chaser
You’d find half the stuff you’ve posted is just so much bullsh*t if you cared enough to look instead of parroting some one else’s talking points.
“There are none so blind as they who cannot see.”
I’d like to crawl inside your head and see what’s in there, but I suspect it would look something like a dumpster.
You’re pretty adept at mixing metaphors and drawing parallels where none exist.
If you find that an unpleasant thought, tuck your head back where it seems most familiar to you and let the adults handle the chores.
You almost never justify your jabs, and every other sentence you write to those who disagree with you is openly condescending and/or insulting. If my letter for some reason stuck you as less than well mannered, you should be patting me on the back for beginning to get the hang of how people are suppose to behave as modeled by the Conservative Christians who dominate this site. (By the way, why did they call this board Sweetness-light?).
Ceesar, I don’t think the age of a book determines it’s value or wisdom do you? With your chosen name I am guessing you do not ignore the wisdom of the ancient Greeks and Romans who preceded the new testament.
I was surprised to see the same people deny that Christians had killed millions, who were discussing the millions killed in the Christian slave trade only a day or two ago. However I think I now see the rift.
19 angry whack-jobs from Saudi Arabia and Egypt fly planes into buildings. It is condemned by almost every leader in Islam, but Noyz still holds Islam responsible. He lives in the country the was acquired by Christian genocide, however the example for which he holds Christianity responsible is an act committed directly by the church with authorization from the Vatican.
You really have to stack the deck to avoid the fact that Christians as a group have killed many times more people than Muslims, and probably more than athists as well, which is saying a lot when you look at the Cultural revolution and the purges of Stalin, Atheists do not have a long history in power, but your dedication to slaughtering their fellow man is something even the blood soaked conservative Christians must envy.
Still in the end remember the millions killed in places like the Philippines, Viet Nam, Cambodia & the US. Or that pack of good Christians from Germany whom John and Noyz were echoing the other day (only they was to kill the Muslims “vermin” instead of the Jewish “vermin.) and the list goes on…
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek. ”
I don’t think that it is the fault of Jesus that it has had so many murderous ‘followers’. Many of the people behind the Christian Crusades weren’t very religious for example, and the record of murder and rape by their armies reflects the attitude of the troops. But they wanted the flag.
The flag is important, because when you’ve just finished ripping the veil and last shred of clothing, off the last 14 year old girl in Jerusalem and anally raping her in front of her parents, before ending her misery, you can calm those butterflies you might feel, by looking at the flag and saying. “I’ve got the holy flag, I must be a good man. I guess I just banged that booty for Jesus”.
It is vulgar, but it happened then and it happens today. Now we can watch and read news tailored to tell us what we want to believe. They will give internally consistent and very incomplete views of the world. No matter what atrocity you want to commit, it will back you up. When tensions were high between India and Pakistan, I remember reading articles about the always jingoistic Rupert Merdoc stations in the two countries, each was blaming all the problems on the other country. It was BS, but it got lots of viewers and they all felt good about their country as they inched towards annihilation.
No matter where you look you will see only part of the story, and you have to look outside the US for much of it. Most of the world knew at the time or within days that- the Jessica Lynch story was bogus, that Saddam had virtually no WMD, that the Powell presentation was a farce. That removal of the statue of Saddam was a staged Psych Op etc. That the US was targeting journalist.
And yes John, I do know, of what I speak.
-S
April 1st, 2008 at 7:15 am
WOW! Is there an original thought to be found anywhere in sojourner’s cliche ridden mind? Brainwashed dirty!
April 1st, 2008 at 7:49 am
You are either middle eastern or a flimsy european soburner. Being the case, as much as I can’t stand the US MSM, al brazeera or the BBC are better??? Also, I can’t recall anytime when those of the Christian faith used a popular icon, ie mickey mouse, to teach their children that strapping a bomb on their little bodies and blowing up a church or synagogue was a valiant (cowardly) thing to do? How can they actually claim to love their children? Now that’s sick. When you refer to Christian atrocaties, you have to go back to the stone age all the time, which is where islamic idealism is still stuck (and, by the way, the Crusades were a result of islamic aggression. apparently this aggression is just supposed to be taken lying down, eh?). Chop womens hands off so the pitty factor is running higher and send her to the streets so she will bring in more cash as a beggar? Stone a women to death because she happened to be in the vacinity of a non acceptes male? Pick on defenseless folks, that’s what they do!!!That takes some real class and that is just a few of the stories anyone can uncover.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Well, Sojo, your list is nothing short of breathlessly repeated propaganda. Your numbers you pluck out of the air. You substantiate nothing. It’s been said that 57% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Get it? Don’t try to come across as some intelectual, you’re not making your case. You’d have better luck with Michael Moore or George Soros. They’ve already closed their minds to anything with which they don’t agree. You fit right in.
And I’m surprised it only took you a week to recognize the/my condescending “barbs” flung in your direction. You outed yourself with your very first posts, then you feign righteous indignation at the responses you recieve. What did you expect? Don’t try to pass yourself off as an intellectual and insist on peddling your brand of stupidity. You won’t find any buyers here. These folks are much too informed.
I retract nothing of what I’ve said. Until you start supporting your assertions with factual information you’ll be regarded (rightly so) as just one more left-wing, liberal, islamic/muslim, nut-job sympathizer with absolutely no credibility, bringing nothing to the discussion except to cloud the atmosphere with noxious bullshit. But if that makes you feel good, proceed. Just don’t be surprised when you’re dismissed out of hand for so doing.
Let me say this again. You know nothing of which you speak, or to put it in the vernacular of the everyday man on the street, you’re a friggin’ idiot! You dare to compare Jesus to Muhammad? Only a moron would attempt that. I’d like to rest my case here, but let me explain just how warped that is. Research Jesus’ life then do the same with your “prophet”. Try to draw ANY reasonable comparison. Muhammad’s life story is rife with examples of hatred, calumny, and disingenuous deciet, calculated to consolidate power in HIS name, using islam as a bludgeon. Obviously you’ve chosen up sides. Too bad you picked a loser. I won’t respond to any more of your posts–they’re not worthy of my time–and I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person!
PS; Yes, that was meant as an insult. Have a nice life. :o}
April 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
Sojournor- A very telling ID for sure…..
July 03, 2007
Obama and the Sojourners for Hamas
Ed Lasky
Presidential candidate Barack Obama has established ties with Sojourners: a liberal Christian group (with the emphasis on liberal) as a way to burnish his religious credentials and gain political strength. This very same group is supportive of Hamas, a vicious Palestinian terror group responsible for the deaths of many innocent people and a group that indoctrinates its youth to hate. Not to mention dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews. What gives, Barack?
Obama spoke at their forum in Washington, D.C. last month ; he also spoke at the Sojourners Pentecost conference last year where he received an award.
I suppose this group is marginally better and certainly provide a better image for Obama than his much deeper ties to the controversial Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Jr. (his spiritual mentor)-who openly spouts anti-Israel invective, supports divestment actions against Israel, supports Louis Farrakhan (Judaism is a “gutter religion”) and travels to Libya to offer support to the arch-foe of Israel and sponsor of terror Col. Muammar al-Gadaffi (recall Lockerbie airplane bombing?) http://www.americanthinker.com.....for_h.html
April 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am
I guess to sum it up SoJo’s message is that Christians are murderous thugs blindly following misinterpreted doctrine, have killed even more innocent people than communists have in their short history, and that the US was targeting journalists.
My first impression of Sojo . . . someone who absolutely despises white Americans and Christians in general based solely on ample amounts of regurgitated rhetoric.
It is a fact that in the past the world has seen its share of murder and genocides by all kinds of people. But to constantly imply that Christians killed the most people is one way Sojo tries to imply that today Christians/Americans are still the scourge of the Earth while subversively dismissing the recent atrocities committed by Muslims. Case in point – Sojo writes “19 angry whack-jobs from Saudi Arabia and Egypt fly planes into buildings”. Sojo does something the liberal loving mainstream media has a habit of doing . . . he/she forgot to include “Islamic” in the sentence. Why is that?
I could go on about which religion/culture is committing the most atrocities today, but even Helen Keller could see that Islam is the religion that is motivating those lunatics who are bent on killing anyone who does not agree with their mindset or warped 13th century ideologies. Just visit this web site for the current scorecard: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
“That the US was targeting journalists.” Yeah, right . . . it was the Knights of Columbus that beheaded Richard Pearle, it was the Mormons who threatened Cal Thomas when he spoke up about terrorists in Britain http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....shtml?s=ic it was the Amish who are trying to silence Michael Savage http://www.therant.us/staff/h_.....042007.htm it is the Salvation Army out to stop Geert Wilders’ film “Fitna” from being seen http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....ent-107215 and it is Christians who have killed over 100 journalists killed in the war on terror since 2003 http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....7062901946.
“the US was targeting journalists” . . . GIVE ME A BREAK!
This one little piece of double speak accusing the country that gives people the most freedom of speech in the whole world of “targeting journalists” in my eyes completely unmasks SoJo as either an Anti-America/Anti-Christian propagandist or some loony liberal living in a reverse logic “Alice In Wonderland” world.
SoJo – you’re wasting your time here. Go over to the Democratic Underground, the Huffington Post, or the Daily Kos and preach your illogical propaganda. On this web site you can throw it around all you want, but your BS won’t stick here.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:15 pm
JohnMG writes…. “…..I won’t respond to any more of your posts–they’re not worthy of my time–and I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person!”
Welcome to the club. I did that last week.
This guys an idiot. Nothing but a walking DNC talking points memo.
When you argue with an idiot, people watching can’t tell which is which.
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
1republicanscientist - I find it interesting that you assume I must be a foreigner is it because I read foreign newspapers and listen to foreign broadcasts to balance my news or because I don’t hate people based on race or religion? A huge number of newspapers are available online from around the world as well as broadcasts though newspapers are definitely better.
I think the stories about the mouse are horrible. Teaching children to hate and worse still to use a child-friendly costume is very insidious. However parents teaching children to hate is just as bad. (No one here would do that though right?). Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think the talking mouse encouraged suicide bombing, though he did teach about the theft of land from Palestine and of life before Israel, which is bound to bring up some bile. This is not an isolated example of teaching hate early. Remember the number of stories on the ‘Jihadist’ children’s books found in Afghanistan. They were a previous version of the same ilk. There were several stories showing clearly child-oriented illustrations designed to teach young boys about the honor of martyrdom and of course the legendary rewards as well. They were disgusting and one of the few books available for school children there.
What you did not hear was that they were printed in Ohio and paid for by the US government. The story was exposed in the Washington Post, but no one else in the US would even mention it despite numerous stories. This is a classic example of the jingoistic US media. Too many Americans are unable to accept any responsibility for their government’s immorality, so the press fearing that people would blame the messenger in stories of disgusting US behavior, so they frequently let those facts slide leaving you to blame the Afghans. Is it any more moral to set someone else’s children up to die?
Keep in mind also that the US set off a bombed a mosque in Lebanon as people were exiting and I recall they killed well over 200 people, but not the one supposed target. I don’t remember anything like that in the former Palestine, but either way…
Finally, the barbaric practices of punishment that are found in some parts of the Middle-East are deplorable. But remember that most of those practices are straight out of the Torah, Bible and Koran which are largely the same in this area. In most of the world, Jews, Christians and Muslims have renounced those practices. However they remain in some parts of the Middle-East and Pakistan. This is something that must be stopped, and it can be as it has been all over the world. But it is no more an inherent part of Islam that it is of Christianity or Judaism. And again, be careful about throwing stones. I think that China, the Congo and the USA are the only non-Middle-Eastern countries that continue the barbaric and internationally condemned practice of executing children. Would you condemn that practice?
-S
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
“I don’t hate people based on race or religion?”
Sojourner, I hope that you’re not assuming that anyone on this website feels that way. (You know what they say about the word “assume”.) Just because we don’t buy into the MSM’s propaganda and the Liberal PCedness (I know that is not a real word…but I still like it.) doesn’t make us “haters”. We may be sarcastic, have weird senses of humor and don’t like it when the PC bunch (trolls) try to tell us we are racist, ignorant haters, there’s a great group of people that post on this website. Someone has to stand up for Liberty, Truth and all that our Forefathers fought so hard to defend! (A person would have to be open minded to understand that though.)
At the risk of sounding redundant and repetitive as I have posted this in the past, here’s how I see/believe it…………… :-)
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of the World, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
EPHESIANS 6;12
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
“Welcome Ceeser and Sojourner to the frey. Its usually just me againt the conservative throng.”
Aw shucks drdobgyn, and I thought you liked us. :-)
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pm
”“Welcome Ceeser and Sojourner to the frey. Its usually just me againt the conservative throng.”
Why don’t you three get a room?
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Now now let’s show some manners Noyz and welcome our new friends. Another point of view is never a bad thing. I for one welcome the company
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Get your facts straight. In March 2005, the SCOTUS ruled 5-4 that crimes committed by criminals under the age of 18 cannot be punished by penalty of death. All those currently on death row in any state that were there for crimes committed before 18 had their sentences reduced to life, meaning in some states, they could be released before actually serving life. So the SCOTUS sent a loud and clear message to criminals (and let’s not kid ourselves here, we are talking about murderers) to do the crime before 18 to keep from doing the time. Since that time the majority of gang related ‘hits’ have been by gang members under the age of 18. I can tell you from personal experience that killers under the age of 18 are no different, deserve no less punishment and are not any more re-habable than those over the age of 18. The difference between us and those in the middle east and the Congo that you cited is that we actually make sure the bastards are guilty of something before executing them, and even then, only after years and years of taxpayer funded appeal. So don’t talk about capitol crime and punishment, especially murder, unless you are either involved in the criminal justice system or have had a relative snatched from your life by one of these little bastards. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about otherwise.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
WI, it breaks my heart that you had to go through that with your Grandson. I can’t even begin to imagine the pain you felt that day and the disappointment you experienced the day the Supreme Court made that ruling. God Bless you and your family.
You’re so right about the gangs being well aware of that ruling also. Most of the gang related crimes around Austin end up being committed by an 18 year olds but, the other gang members, that were at the scene of the crime also, ages could go up as high as 30 or 40. It’s almost as though the 18 yr olds are used as the fall guy.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 am
texaspsue says… “It’s almost as though the 18 yr olds are used as the fall guy.”
I think the older gang members brainwash these young kids into thinking this will make them men. What a buch of animals.
Sorry to hear about your Grandson WI. I wish the best for you and yours.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:58 am
“Now now let’s show some manners Noyz and welcome our new friends.”
I don’t mind debating with you Doc. You’re a classy guy. A little misguided in my humble opinion, but you’re not a liar. Sojourner has done nothing but spew DNC talking points and lies since he made his debut here. I won’t even read his posts anymore.
April 15th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Texasue
I appreciate your comment. The part you quoted was part of a larger question. I would never assume such a thing about anyone, and always try to recognize people as individuals. Some here have made their status quite clear as haters, many others seem quite nice.
I do agree with you that the MSM is narrow, though I suspect we might differ on what is being omitted and why.
Noiz, We clearly read different things, and I am not a big new hound, so If I seem that off base to you, you are welcome to pick out 1 or 2 of the whoppers and ask me to clarify.
WI, I stand corrected. I was part of a Federal Court’s death watch team in the 90’s. But it in no way compares to what it must be like to be in your shoes. My sincere sympathies.
-S