we don’t want to do anything from employers dropping the health plans they are already providing for employees.

That defeats his idea of a health plan that everyone will want, so the government can make trillions implementing his. What’s he gonna do, make a law, only who can use the government plan? A cheap plan and employers will all switch, and it will be socialized poor care. How else will the government make trillions on theirs? Obama’s not dumb. He just knows everyone that voted for him his dumb.

We do need to be able to understand it. As it is now it’s all in codes. I understand them, but most don’t.

Our medical billing HAS to be simplified. It has to become more like any other commodity billing.

For sure you are going to find those who will receive the bill only to stuff it in the drawer but most of us want to know what we are charged with. Even if it is a third party payer.

The small things are not an issue, but we are always hearing about medicare fraud. The patient in many cases have no idea what has been billed in their name.

I’m all for the hospital and doctors needing us to sign off on any bill that is not showing a major mistake before they are paid.

I can think of no other thing we purchase, that we have no idea of what it includes. A third payer should not be blindly made to pay. If we don’t know what we are charged, who can/WILL hold the hospitals and caregivers responsible for padded bills. I understand WHY they do it. To regain what the feds have underpaid per service, but it still has to be stopped and the underpayment per service issue has to be dealt with on it’s on.

Can you imagine buying a car that way? Or a house? Or a vacation? No..because we have to pull that money right out of our own pockets. We need to find a way to involve the patient more in his own heath costs. He must have built in incentives to be a watch dog.

I’m sure there are many other good ideas out there but they have to be looked at…at warp speed :-). Obalmy is moving fast. We have to move faster with better ideas.

Racist?…So, it’s racist to deny someone the ‘Right’ to destroy children’s lives, and to steal and kill when they go into a drugged panic during a 7-11 robbery? Great.

Just kill the law. That way, no one brakes the law. But I can promise you these vermin on legal crack will still hurt, steal and kill.

I’ve seen too many on crack go completely berserk from that poison. They couldn’t be stronger or more nuts.

Does he want to see more black children born to crack moms? Or is it he just wants to equalize it by making it easier for white moms to do the same. I guess then it won’t be racist.

Oh I guess it won’t matter though. Once the feds bring in Obalmy’s health care plan in, they can get all the care they “need”. Of course the 70 year old in the next bed with a heart attack who worked all their life to retire in peace won’t get HIS medical care. He’s too old. So it’s rationed!

Our happy little druggie is young…thus more valuable. Never mind he has never held a job or he has spent most of his life behind bars. But he is the valuable one. Not the 70 year old who has paid taxes all his life.

Whoa now jobeth, gotta crawl before we can walk. You must be one in favor of inter-stellar travel next month as well.

But seriously, it seems to me that medical billing is the most complicated thing an average American has to deal with outside of one’s work speciality.

One thing the government could do that would be useful would be to establish some better guidelines for patient billing (layman’s English is one wild idea that pops into my head). Then, as you say, we wouldn’t be faced with impossible situations when we get the fantasy bill that is somehow loosely associated with a medical service.

And that would be a small step to help people to begin to focus some financial judgement on the medical services we receive.

Perhaps there could be some sort of incentive for the patient to find mistakes and outright fraud that have pushed our heath care costs up.

Being a health care worker for 15 years, I have seen time and time again where known charging ‘mistakes’ were made but ignored. I’ve seen nursing stick charge stickers on one patient and use the items on another. Guess who’s insurance paid for something their patient didn’t get. If you said anything it was brushed off as “no matter” it just needs to get paid for. In their favor, they were always busy trying to get too much done in too little time. To the nurses, their loyalty was to the hospital, not to the patients insurance company.

I also remember my mother buying a second hand hospital bed due to a chronic health issue and asked that the insurance company reimburse her. Nope…not a chance. They could only RENT a bed for her but since she already had one they wouldn’t now.

Go figure. She TRIED to save the insurance a buck but to no avail and was punished for it.

Anyway.. monetary.incentives for the patient/patients family to keep track of what they use and receive during their care and incentives for patients to find less expensive ways to be served would certainly be one more piece of the high costs. We need a lot of these small things along with the larger ideas like legal reform etc.

I like the higher deductible for the primary care docs. This could be a great way to keep patients from running to the doctor every time little Timmy gets a sniffle. I raised 5 children who got very good care but I hardly ever ran to the doctor. Common sense and a little TLC goes a long way where everyday health care is concerned. Most parents can tell the difference between a real crisis and a sniffle. I have an ex daughter-in-law who runs to the doctor every other week for some imagined illness for my grandson. Ridiculous! He’s going to grow up running to the doctor all the time and I can already see hypochondriac behavior developing. He’s going to be a high maintenance patient…and of course you and I are going to have to pay for it under Obalmy’s plan.

The SCOTUS thing really irritates me, but the health care situation scares me to the core.

I can see not only myself and others be denied care as we get older, but little babies who survive abortions be “euthanized” to use a nice word or murdered to use the real word.

I see children born with Downs syndrome deemed useless and not get the heart surgery that many of them need. I can see the (sorry about this word) retarded children or the brain damaged adults via accidents, be deemed not worthy. What about our dear parents who have Altzheimers? Any of us can go on and on and name any number of ailments or conditions that could easily cause that person to be deemed of no use to the state. This is a horrible concept.

And who gets to decide if that warm wonderful elderly mom or dad or that wonderful husband or wife who got injured for life gets to live?. If “spirit” or life doesn’t matter and has to be second to the cost we are lost as a humane society.

The only thing that matters then is if you can be taxed and tapped for more $$ for the state.

Obalmy is so far removed from any concept of Christianity that ProReason probably has it right when he says he feels he’s an atheist. Obalmy has no concept of the love we can have for the not perfect. He is the worst of the worst as far as atheists are concerned. Not all atheists behave this way.

I know not everyone is a Christian and even atheists are humane. We don’t all have to believe the same…but we all DO have to have morals. A sense of right and wrong and be someone who values life over death.

Someone mentioned somewhere, that Congress and the president should have to subject themselves to the same health care we ordinary people have to go through. Nice concept but the “important” and powerful will always jump the line and/or demand exception for their own loved ones.

Of all the things that are happening to us right now..most, we can work our way out of in the coming years. This euthanization is the worst though.

People will be killed just as sure as they were murdered by a worst serial killer. And it will be the state that does it. The state will be that serial killer! We will never get our loved ones back from death. Even if we are able to undo this later…they will be just as gone.

We miss my father in law deeply.

Seems that The One ™ isn’t consistent on a damn thing. Or truthful.

And part of it is that we (the employed) are paying so much for the illegals and welfare crowd not to mention all the fraud from Our Fearless Reader to the Klownposse in DC down to ACORN and all the other grifters pretending to work for We The People whose only work seems to be figuring out how to hide (and keep from paying taxes on) the money they scam and steal.

I think ‘representatives’ such as William Jefferson should be removed from office immediately and people like John Murtha should be restricted from putting any earmarks/pork/or amendments on bills ever again (not that I don’t think he too should be removed from office immediately) and Pelosi who wrote in a opt out from a bill for one of the biggest companies in her district (isn’t that exactly what the Left screed on that Republicans supposedly do in every single action they do – protect their corporate donors?).

Perhaps if these scammers and scum were out of office after the first offense (sort of like Kennedy – the murderer) – 1) the scum would do a double think about running for office and 2) we could again afford to take care of our families and donate to charities that take care of the truly needy.

And yes – people like me & my son – will be the first to be denied any care beyond basic yearly checkups – for my son it isn’t a big deal – he’s had a DNR for years now (he does not want to do another major medical event) . For me – I would not be here, if it weren’t for doctors who thought outside the box and went that extra mile (well, neither would my son) – and I take care of myself and have a responsibility to my family and my community to be healthy to take care of my son – so that no one else has to. But I know I’m a medical trainwreck heading for that big crash. Or my mom – who is 93 now – who won’t be considered for much care at all.

My dad – a doctor is rolling over in his grave at what has happened to healthcare in America – he bartered with his patients, he set up the first evening/Sat clinic, he made housecalls – and he set up clinics in conjunction with the visiting nurses association. There are ways to get things done – that have nothing to do with the government -and usually work – and are much cheaper and much better.

thanks for making the sacrifice to watch the thug, jobeth.

Like I’ve been saying, the 1.6 – 3.5 Trillion in cost is the tip of the iceberg.

The real cost is that millions of people will die before their time. Who can put a price on that?

The arrogance of the thug is beyond description.