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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Science Czar In The CRU Emails</title>
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		<title>By: bronzeprofessor</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167341</link>
		<dc:creator>bronzeprofessor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Platypus. The misdeeds by the East Anglia and Penn State professors are bad enough and say it all. I don&#039;t think it will help our side to overplay the misdeeds by Holdren. He sounds snotty and condescending in the exchanges above, but I don&#039;t see evidence that he violated academic integrity the way Mann and Jones did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Platypus. The misdeeds by the East Anglia and Penn State professors are bad enough and say it all. I don&#8217;t think it will help our side to overplay the misdeeds by Holdren. He sounds snotty and condescending in the exchanges above, but I don&#8217;t see evidence that he violated academic integrity the way Mann and Jones did.</p>
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		<title>By: Tater Salad</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167339</link>
		<dc:creator>Tater Salad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holdren is basically another Adolph Hitler in the making and what is bothering is that Obama is the &quot;appointee&quot; to these super-left-wing-loons that are running around in the White House.  Holdren and Ahmadine-a-nut-job together could destroy the world with a smile on their faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holdren is basically another Adolph Hitler in the making and what is bothering is that Obama is the &#8220;appointee&#8221; to these super-left-wing-loons that are running around in the White House.  Holdren and Ahmadine-a-nut-job together could destroy the world with a smile on their faces.</p>
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		<title>By: platypus</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167337</link>
		<dc:creator>platypus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Holdren is an unvarnished leftist loon, I don&#039;t see that any particular piece of his reasoning progression was all that bad. He certainly engaged in a fair debate with his adversary. 

I guess that what I&#039;m saying is that if he didn&#039;t have this &#039;conclusion&#039; sitting on his shoulder whispering during the entire dialog, he might have actually obtained a correct result. 

And of course the elephant in the room is the acknowledged falsification of base data. How much different would this email exchange be if done today? And as an aside, how does Holdren &quot;feel&quot; about his comrades being bald-faced liars stealing taxpayer funds under the guise of objective research? 

Is he humiliated and ashamed or is he desperate to preserve those relationships? 

We&#039;ll see. If he&#039;s gonna circle the wagons, he better hurry up before Sarah&#039;s poll numbers get much higher. 

Fear the Palinistas, for we are coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Holdren is an unvarnished leftist loon, I don&#8217;t see that any particular piece of his reasoning progression was all that bad. He certainly engaged in a fair debate with his adversary. </p>
<p>I guess that what I&#8217;m saying is that if he didn&#8217;t have this &#8216;conclusion&#8217; sitting on his shoulder whispering during the entire dialog, he might have actually obtained a correct result. </p>
<p>And of course the elephant in the room is the acknowledged falsification of base data. How much different would this email exchange be if done today? And as an aside, how does Holdren &#8220;feel&#8221; about his comrades being bald-faced liars stealing taxpayer funds under the guise of objective research? </p>
<p>Is he humiliated and ashamed or is he desperate to preserve those relationships? </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. If he&#8217;s gonna circle the wagons, he better hurry up before Sarah&#8217;s poll numbers get much higher. </p>
<p>Fear the Palinistas, for we are coming.</p>
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		<title>By: m0j0</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167329</link>
		<dc:creator>m0j0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember there is no cure for stupid and like forest gump said stupid is what stupid does</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember there is no cure for stupid and like forest gump said stupid is what stupid does</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167328</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kooks really want to reduce the population of the planet by 50%.  That&#039;s 3 billion people they want dead, one way of the other.

They are all zero sum nutters.

The pie is limited.  Everything is limited.  Humanity can&#039;t find other resources, can&#039;t grow more food, can&#039;t learn to live in different ways.  The only solution is to reduce the population.

And they are so unbelievably arrogant, they believe their own horse manure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kooks really want to reduce the population of the planet by 50%.  That&#8217;s 3 billion people they want dead, one way of the other.</p>
<p>They are all zero sum nutters.</p>
<p>The pie is limited.  Everything is limited.  Humanity can&#8217;t find other resources, can&#8217;t grow more food, can&#8217;t learn to live in different ways.  The only solution is to reduce the population.</p>
<p>And they are so unbelievably arrogant, they believe their own horse manure.</p>
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		<title>By: englishqueen01</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167326</link>
		<dc:creator>englishqueen01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do remember that John Holdren is the same person who &lt;a href=&quot;url&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;advocates forced abortions and mass sterilizations to &quot;save the planet&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.  Here&#039;s just a taste of his ideology and potential policy ideas (emphasis mine):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A &quot;Planetary Regime&quot; with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President&#039;s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States&#039; Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• &lt;b&gt;Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not&lt;/b&gt;;
• &lt;b&gt;The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs&lt;/b&gt; intentionally put into the nation&#039;s &lt;b&gt;drinking water or in food&lt;/b&gt;;
• &lt;b&gt;Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them&lt;/b&gt; against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who &quot;contribute to social deterioration&quot; (i.e. undesirables) &quot;can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility&quot; -- in other words, &lt;b&gt;be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized&lt;/b&gt;.
• A transnational &quot;Planetary Regime&quot; should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans&#039; lives -- using an armed international police force. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;ll be so disappointed that he doesn&#039;t get to force women to abort their children and that he can&#039;t sterilize the population at large.  This means he has to put up with us hoi polloi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do remember that John Holdren is the same person who <a href="url" rel="nofollow">advocates forced abortions and mass sterilizations to &#8220;save the planet&#8221;</a>.  Here&#8217;s just a taste of his ideology and potential policy ideas (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A &#8220;Planetary Regime&#8221; with the power of life and death over American citizens.</p>
<p>The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?</p>
<p>These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President&#8217;s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology &#8212; informally known as the United States&#8217; Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:</p>
<p>• <b>Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not</b>;<br />
• <b>The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs</b> intentionally put into the nation&#8217;s <b>drinking water or in food</b>;<br />
• <b>Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them</b> against their will and given away to other couples to raise;<br />
• People who &#8220;contribute to social deterioration&#8221; (i.e. undesirables) &#8220;can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility&#8221; &#8212; in other words, <b>be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized</b>.<br />
• A transnational &#8220;Planetary Regime&#8221; should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans&#8217; lives &#8212; using an armed international police force. </p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;ll be so disappointed that he doesn&#8217;t get to force women to abort their children and that he can&#8217;t sterilize the population at large.  This means he has to put up with us hoi polloi.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167322</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this truth sure is inconvenient, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this truth sure is inconvenient, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167302</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is but the tip of a rapidly melting iceberg due to the professed &quot;Hot Air&quot; emitted by Holdren/Heinz et al  E-Mail generations.

What a bunch of egg head gobblety goop!
THIS------is why I loathe lawyers and demand a culling of the DC range!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is but the tip of a rapidly melting iceberg due to the professed &#8220;Hot Air&#8221; emitted by Holdren/Heinz et al  E-Mail generations.</p>
<p>What a bunch of egg head gobblety goop!<br />
THIS&#8212;&#8212;is why I loathe lawyers and demand a culling of the DC range!!</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167300</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;JOHN P. HOLDREN 
—————————————————————————– 
Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy 
&amp; Director, Program in Science, Technology, &amp; Public Policy,&quot;

nuff said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JOHN P. HOLDREN<br />
—————————————————————————–<br />
Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy<br />
&amp; Director, Program in Science, Technology, &amp; Public Policy,&#8221;</p>
<p>nuff said</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-science-czar-in-the-cru-emails#comment-167299</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;That’s why I’m in the business I’m in, which is
teaching about and working on the intersection of science and technology with policy.&quot; &lt;/b&gt;

So, in other words, you have an agenda rather than just being a scientist; You want to shape public opinion to meet your narrow view of how things &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;That’s why I’m in the business I’m in, which is<br />
teaching about and working on the intersection of science and technology with policy.&#8221; </b></p>
<p>So, in other words, you have an agenda rather than just being a scientist; You want to shape public opinion to meet your narrow view of how things <i>should</i> be.</p>
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		<title>By: ptat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Warmer&quot; seems to be an understatement for someone who can bloviate this much hot air! Too much time on his hands, for sure....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Warmer&#8221; seems to be an understatement for someone who can bloviate this much hot air! Too much time on his hands, for sure&#8230;.</p>
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