SubscribePamphlets In SC Distort Thompson’s Record
From CBS News:
Thompson Defends Himself Against Pamphlet’s Charges
by John Bentley
January 19, 2008
COLUMBIA, S.C. — As Fred Thompson makes his final push in South Carolina, his opponents have stepped up their anti-Thompson rhetoric. After a rally in Greenville last night, many cars in the parking lot outside had fliers stuck on their windshields accusing Thompson of supporting Planned Parenthood, a pro-choice organization.
“FACT: Fred Thompson voted to give over $65 millon of YOUR tax dollars to America’s largest Abortion provider Planned Parenthood in 2002,” the pamphlet reads.
The campaign calls the pamphlet “intentionally misleading” and believes Mike Huckabee supporters are behind them.
While Thompson did vote yes on H.R. 3061 while he was a senator (as did most members of the Senate – the vote was 90-7 - though, interestingly John McCain was one of the 7 “nay” votes), it was a typical appropriations bill for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education totalling $686 billion for FY 2002.
As part of that bill, Planned Parenthood did receive federal funding from the Department of Health and Human Services. But it is illegal for any federal funds to be used for abortions because of the Hyde Amendment, and as it says in Title V of the bill itself: “None of the funds appropriated under this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated under this Act, shall be expended for any abortion.”
Thompson told reporters today: “It’s just another last-second distortion that’s basically high school politics practiced by folks with high school mentalities. I don’t think it has the effect some think it does or it used to, especially when the distortions are so blatant and so easily refuted. It’s based on the assumption that people are stupid. And I don’t think they are.”
The campaign says that “Senator Thompson worked in the Senate to ensure that federal funds did not go to fund abortions,” and points out that he received the endorsement of the National Right to Life Organization.
The Huckabee folks seem to be thugs.
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January 19th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I’d be curious to see if any George Soros groups have donated to Gomer’s campaign…this is about their speed.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
“It’s based on the assumption that people are stupid.”
Well, we did elect Bill Clinton.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Twice.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
“The Huckabee folks seem to be thugs.”
The “Huckster” congratulated himself during his loser’s speech in SC on running a clean honest campaign……gomer.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Well, so much for the intelligence level of South Carolinians.
Tonight is a dark, dreary night for true conservatives.
January 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Well, so much for the intelligence level of South Carolinians.”
Why don’t you expand that statement to include Military personnel, Veterans and Seniors? That’s the three groups that got him his victory. Yep…..unintelligent soldiers, sailors and marines. Unintelligent Vets. Unintelligent old folks who really are just too demented and stupid to vote. Yeah, that sounds like a good republican to me.
As to the intelligence of South Carolinians, seems to me you don’t have much room to talk having voted for democrats for a good part of your life. And how about all those Texans that keep sending Ron Paul back to congress, term after term? And wasn’t it the state of Texas that elected Ann Richards? See how silly that argument is?
January 20th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Why SC voters would choose to vote for the all-but-party-affiliation-Democrat McCain or the lying through his teeth Huckabee in favor of the only conservatives running in the race (Hunter, if you don’t like Thompson), I’ll never know.
It sounds like SC Republicans want their government handouts, love the idea of amnesty for illegal aliens and in general don’t give a damn about the future of the U.S. That’s their right.
But if they want all that they should just go ahead and vote for Hillary or Obama this November - at least they’re honest about being liberals and don’t just pretend to hew to some conservative ideals just to get elected.
If you can come up with any good reasons why any Conservative would vote for either McCain or Huckabee, I’d love to hear it.
January 20th, 2008 at 1:56 am
BillK…..I don’t have a clue why anyone would vote for Huckabee. Never advocated that anyone should to begin with.
“It sounds like SC Republicans want their government handouts, love the idea of amnesty for illegal aliens and in general don’t give a damn about the future of the U.S. That’s their right.”
The first thing that’s just wrong with that statement is that the demographics that put him over the top were military, vets and seniors. Now maybe some republican seniors are looking for a chicken in every pot, but I sure wouldn’t say that about military and vets. The second thing wrong with it is that McCain is the REDUCE spending candidate. That’s why he wasn’t for the Bush tax cuts in the first place. He did not want them passed unless required spending cuts were enacted at the same time. Do you have a problem with that? I sure as hell don’t.
So why McCain and not Thompson or Duncan? Simply because Duncan (my favorite) and Thompson (probably my 2nd) didn’t get their campaigns going. I don’t have the answer as to why but they didn’t (and please don’t blame it all on the MSM). Rudy has spent all of his good will from 9-11, hasn’t campaigned well and, in my opinion, is no longer a viable candidate. His shady friends haven’t helped him either, fair or not. So that now leaves Huck, Mitt and McCain on the republican side and Shill and Osama on the democrat side. Certainly not the greatest by any means. But, McCain is the one out of that bunch I want as Commander-In-Chief. Certainly not either one of the democrats, certainly not Huck and wouldn’t feel at all comfortable with Mitt (who thought his kids campaigning for him was equal to serving in the military until he was called on it). That’s my rationale.
It’s really very simple at this point for me anyway. It has, at this point, little to do with “conservatism, the 2nd ammendment, abortion, illegal immigration (or any of the other hot button issues with conservatives) and everything to do with the war on Islamic Jihadist and whose finger we want on the trigger when it’s time to pull it. Because if we lose that war, all the other issues are mute. Look at the five still in it…..which finger do you want on the trigger?
January 20th, 2008 at 5:32 am
I’ve sworn I would never even think of voting for McCain since he led the Gang of 14 to throw away the right to filibuster in the Senate. “Judas” isn’t too strong a comparison for that one; talk about surrendering to the enemy.
Tax cuts but not without equivalent cuts in spending? Yeah, Reagan tried to tie the two and look how well that worked; the Democrats will always find some “emergency” or other to not make those spending cuts.
I won’t even talk about McCain’s desire for amnesty, nor his continued support for what McCain-Feingold has become. For example Thompson did vote for Mc-F, but at least he realizes the damage it’s done.
I don’t know where your definition of “not going” is, but Thompson’s campaign has been going since mid-2007. I readily admit that it was slower than I would have liked getting out of the gate, but even the MSM has admitted he’s been on fire since the last Fox News debate and has been absolutely wonderful on the trail the past few weeks. But of course after Iowa, a state with little importance in the primaries, and New Hampshire, a state with even less of a role in the primary process, the MSM painted Thompson as all but dead and buried.
I don’t have any faith in McCain to fight the war on terror, simply because he’s shown time and time again he’s willing to give in to the Democrats to gain positive PR and apparently get invited to the right Washington parties. Compared to him, President Bush has got the backbone of a zealot.
No, I’d almost rather see Obama or Hillary in the White House because at least they’re honest about turning tail and running; IMHO McCain would just wait a month or two, say he’s “reassessed the situation” and do the same and wait for the praise to roll in from the MSM about how he’s “grown” as a President.
No thanks.
January 20th, 2008 at 10:52 am
It’s times like this that I wish I were a better writer. But when I saw last nights S.C. results, I had to write something.
Thompson losing SC is one thing, but a victory for McCain is the nail in the coffin for conservatives. If the Republican party is now electing liberals, I don’t see how they can defeat the democrats. Republicans lose their base and conservatives lose their party. His amnesty policies alone will sink us. Now he’s saying he will seal the borders but we’ve heard that before and I don’t like the “only you if elect me” sound of it. And when republicans tell him they want something done about illegals already here, how does he respond? I’m not going to deport one of our soldier’s mother while he’s fighting in Iraq. An emotional statement about a rare circumstance that I believe most of us would make an exception for anyway. Who works for who McCain? Does he hear those that have to live in the neighborhoods already ruined by open borders? McCain will have us dispossessed of our political power and those that gain it don’t give a damn for the U.S. and it’s culture. This generation of illegals (and their organized socialist backers) seem to welcome every threat to this country; radical Islam, the socialist indoctrination in our schools, government taking over our lives. Rule of law is already being replaced by arbitrary application, the litmus test being your political ideology.
Maybe he is willing to bring back fiscal responsibility and see the war through to success. But I don’t see how he could actually achieve anything while he’s compromising with our sovereignty. Illegal immigration is a ship sinker and when the ship sinks everything goes with it.
I’m sorry, but seeing McCain win S.C. is my worst case scenario. At least Mitt is saying what we want to hear. Even though his words today are very different from his past actions, maybe he’s willing to put on a new hat. I don’t trust politicians that do this this but I’m just one chump’s opinion and there’s a lot of uncertainty with any of these candidates. It’s not over yet but all I can add to my vote and meager contributions is a prayer.
January 20th, 2008 at 11:10 am
” the that put him over the top were military, vets and seniors.”
I’m retired military, so I consider myself military, also consider myself a vet, and am old enough to be considered a senior. The way the election laws are set up, I’m also a South Carolina voter even thro I no longer live there. Spent 28 years there, attended a good number of local Republican meetings. Don’t remember seeing many faces that don’t fit one of those categories. I’ve tried but can’t find any figures that break out how many from South Carolina would not fit into military, vets, and seniors. Anyone have those figures?
My absentee vote went to Thompson. Hunter was my first choice but seemed to be too far down to make a meaningful rise to the level needed to be elected.
January 20th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Then my recommendation to all of those who won’t vote for McCain if he’s nominated is register democrat and vote for Hill/Bill or Osama.
BillK….you say you have no faith in his ability to fight the war on Islamic Jihadists. Please remember that he was almost alone in the congress in support of the surge, long before anyone else thought it would work. I believe, of all the viable candidates still in the races, he’s the only one with a chance of wining this war.
GuppyNblue…You say “At least Mitt is saying what we want to hear. Even though his words today are very different from his past actions, maybe he’s willing to put on a new hat.” Please explain how Mitt is any different than McCain, or any other candidate, in that regard?
We don’t have a perfect pool of candidates by any stretch of the imagination. It appears McCain now has the momentum but we’ll see after SuperDuperTuesday. Unless Ron Paul is the nominee, I’m voting for the one nominated. Sitting in the sandbox screaming like a 2 year old because your candidate or my candidate of choice is doing well or has already dropped out won’t keep a democrat out of the WH.
January 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Pagar
If I understood your question correctly, this might help.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20.....html#SCREP
You have to go to the end for the vets stats. 25% answered yes to having served in the military.
January 20th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Warmonger Infidel
The only difference I’m pointing out between McCain and Romney is this. McCain still refuses to back away from amnesty. He’s just now comprosing a little by saying he’ll seal the borders and then we’ll see. Romney’s rhetoric at least goes further to deal with the illegals here now. I’m not hapy with either of them personally.
I don’t mind an itellectual arguement but you can keep the “screaming like a 2 year old” nonsense if you want me to asnwer any questions from you.
January 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
GNb….my “screaming like a 2 year old” wasn’t directed at you or anyone else in particular. It was a general statement about posts on other threads here that are just that….screaming like a two year old and posting absolutely false statements about this or that candidate. That, in my opinion, is not intellectual argument. Making statements that if this or that republican candidate is or isn’t nominated, “My vote will go to Hill”, is screaming like a 2 year old. So answer what you want, or don’t. I didn’t realize we were so sensitive this morning.
Now as to your logic, fair enough. McCain stands his ground where Mitt takes a poll and changes his stance, particularly on immigration and abortion. Romney also pushed for and signed mandatory health insurance into law in MA which tells me he’s a nanny stater. Personally, I’ll take the guy who may not agree with me but has the gonads to say what he means and stand by it in this case. But I just have one vote like you. Use your’s how you feel you should, and I’ll do the same. I hope everyone else does likewise. I just hope they don’t use it for a democrat.
January 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Warmonger Infidel
I know I won’t vote any of the dems and I won’t forfeit it either. I think we do agree there.
January 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
SHAZAAM!!!
You mean Mike (Gomer Pyle) Huckabee is capable of dirty political tricks - even when he spoke about bein’ clean & fair in the speech he gave las’ night?!
Well GAWWW-LE!!!
SU-PRISE-SU-PRISE-SU-PRISE!!!
My Mama always us’d to tell me that sometimes a preacher can’t hear is own sermon cause he’s too busy a talkin’. That’s what my mama used to say,
January 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Gomer probably isn’t smart enough to pull it off RB….but his campaign manager…..Ed Rollins is a dirty trickster from way back.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:35 am
WI, I won”t vote for Hillary or Obama, but I won’t do it for McCain, either.
I just can’t, there’s just too much he stands for that is the complete antithesis of what I believe that I may as well be voting for Hillary or Obama.
I don’t believe he’ll nominate conservative judges.
I don’t believe he’ll rein in spending.
I don’t believe he’ll even attempt to make the tax cuts permanent.
Most of all, I honestly think he would give in after a few months’ solid pounding from the MSM on the GWoT; he’s shown himself to want to curry their favor far too often in the past.
One positive thing to take away from S.C. is the fact that according to the South Carolina exit polling, McCain got only 31 percent of the vote from those who described themselves as Republicans - and 42 percent from Independents.
As Rush has said, it will be interesting to see what happens in real Republican primaries - where only registered Republicans can vote.
I also have no doubt that there may well be a campaign on the left to try and pump up McCain and Huckabee’s numbers as they know if either is the candidate, they can easily be beaten.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
WI:
Did you ever read Rollins book “Backroom & Barenuckles”. Rather full of his ol’ self, Ed. Professes to having told off a drunk (not that I doubt that part) Frank Sinatra who was bitchin’ on AF1 that he didn’t want to say hello to his fans who came to see him with Nancy on a campaign run.
Bein’ from Jersey & knowing just who Ol’ Blue Eyes hung with, I’m sure Ed was a little more diplomatic than that.
Remember Ed was the dope who on prime time TV confessed to paying off black ministers to keep their base quiet when he campaigned for Christine Todd Witless.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
http://blogsforfredthompson.co.....mment-2070
Beg, if you have to!
January 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Beg? Why would you “beg” anyone to stay in a race that he just can’t win, won’t win and quiet frankly, because of the way he’s campaigned, shouldn’t win?
His own staff is already abandoning ship and going to other candidates. He is making a “major” announcement tomorrow which, if I had to bet the house, I’d bet is his leaving the race. He has had an impact, I believe, and it will be interesting who he throws his support behind. My guess is McCain and my guess is that a deal has already been made that if McCain is nominated, Fred will be the VP on the ticket.
I’d be very curious to know what all the anti-McCain republicans will do if that’s the case? Vote the McCain/Thompson ticket, vote democrat just to “show ‘em” or not vote at all? Just curious.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm
It’s also now being reported that Fred has dropped out of the Florida Debate.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:21 am
WI, that’s completely untrue.
Fred has neither dropped out of the race nor the Florida debates at this point.
I’m assuming you must watch Fox News, as for some reason they’ve really had it out for Fred of late.
Several people have confirmed with Thompson’s campaign that he has not withdrawn, something Fox could have confirmed if they were willing to just make a damn phone call.
What will anti-McCain Republicans do? Stay home in November.
Even with Thompson as VP, I can’t do it. I can’t vote for him, period.
I’m not just anti-McCain; Huckabee’s even worse.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 am
All you need to know about John McCain is that the Media LOVES him. There is no way anyone who claims even 25% conservative blood will vote for this Liberal wannabe. Sorry, will never happen, and by the way he hasn’t received the nomination yet. I think he’s jumping the gun like he did in 2000 right Mr. Chairman?!?! ROFLMAO
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 am
“All you need to know about John McCain is that the Media LOVES him.”
THAT SHOULD BE A HUGE CLUE, A GIGANTIC RED FLAG, RIGHT THERE! When is the last time the msm ever told the whole truth about anything??????? The Dems. want to run against McCain. They’ve said so on many occasions.
Don’t get me wrong, I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for John McCain. Maybe, just maybe he owes to many favors to people in Washington? Just saying……..
Are we really going to repeat the 2006 election debacle? Are we really going to throw it ALL away to the Liberals? We will be saying goodbye to the USA as we now know it! WHY?
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 am
“I’m assuming you must watch Fox News, as for some reason they’ve really had it out for Fred of late.”
BillK…..assuming anything about people you don’t know can be a very bad thing. I got my information from Conservative Grapevine/Townhall and a post there from John Hawkins, who happens to support Fred Thompson. True, he did quote Fox News, but I have enough faith in Hawkins’ postings that I believe it’s probably true. Thompson himself sounded like he was tossing it in on Saturday night.
We’ll see.
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am
Let’s see, a Thompson supporter says he pulled out of the debate.
His campaign office with a single phone call will verify that no, he has not as of this point.
I know which I’ll believe.
No insult or disparagement meant, WI, just that “Faux News” was the outlet propogating the Thompson rumor last night.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Well BillK, I didn’t say I verified it. I’m just posting what I read on a fairly reliable website. While Fox News isn’t the greatest in reporting “real” news any more, they are at least as reliable as all the AP stories you post on “other news of the week” thread. Personally, I don’t know if it’s true or not, but logic tells me it is. I will say that he may hang around for Florida, just to split the McCain/Huckabee vote. I also know that I saw an interview with Thompson (yeah I know is face and voice when I see it) where he stated pretty strongly that he had to do very well in SC to remain viable. My gut feeling, as I’ve stated before is that he is going to swing to McCain, who he is good friends with, and if McCain is nominated, he’ll be the 2nd on the ticket. Let me also restate that Thompson and Hunter were my first choices but it became apparent early on that neither of them would win the nomination. I guess I’m just more pragmated than some. As I said above, we’ll see.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Great post WI. I agree with you on Fox News and McCain/Thompson sounds alright to me. But, what if it turns out to be a McCain/Lieberman ticket?
I still get the feeling that the Democrats/MSM are running the show on who the Republican nominee will be? That is just plain wrong!