SubscribePelosi Lies About Catholic Stance On Life
From Madam Speaker’s exchange with Tim Brokaw on NBC’s Meet The Press:
MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you’re looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, “Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?” what would you tell him?
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator–St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child–first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There’s very clear distinctions. This isn’t about abortion on demand, it’s about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and–to–that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don’t think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who’ve decided…MR. BROKAW: The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it…
REP. PELOSI: I understand that.
MR. BROKAW: …begins at the point of conception.
REP. PELOSI: I understand. And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy. But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions. That’s why we have this fight in Congress over contraception. My Republican colleagues do not support contraception. If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must–it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think. But that is not the case. So we have to take–you know, we have to handle this as respectfully–this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been–and I’m not saying Rick Warren did, because I don’t think he did, but others will try to…
Meanwhile, from the Catholic Encyclopedia we have this entry on the subject:
Abortion
Abortion (from the Latin word aboriri , “to perish”) may be briefly defined as “the loss of a fetal life.”
… It was long debated among the learned at what period of gestation the human embryo begins to be animated by the rational, spiritual soul, which elevates man above all other species of the animal creation and survives the body to live forever. The keenest mind among the ancient philosophers, Aristotle, had conjectured that the future child was endowed at conception with a principle of only vegetative life, which was exchanged after a few days for an animal soul, and was not succeeded by a rational soul till later; his followers said on the fortieth day for a male, and the eightieth for a female, child. The authority of his great name and the want of definite knowledge to the contrary caused this theory to be generally accepted up to recent times. Yet, as early as the fourth century of the Christian era, St. Gregory of Nyssa had advocated the view which modern science has confirmed almost to a certainty, namely, that the same life principle quickens the organism from the first moment of its individual existence until its death (Eschbach, Disp. Phys., Disp., iii). Now it is at the very time of conception, or fecundation, that the embryo begins to live a distinct individual life. For life does not result from an organism when it has been built up, but the vital principle builds up the organism of its own body. In virtue of the one eternal act of the Will of the Creator, Who is of course ever present at every portion of His creation, the soul of every new human being begins to exist when the cell which generation has provided is ready to receive it as its principle of life. In the normal course of nature the living embryo carries on its work of, self-evolution within the maternal womb, deriving its nourishment from the placenta through the vital cord, till, on reaching maturity, it is by the contraction of the uterus issued to lead its separate life. Abortion is a fatal termination of this process…
It is evident that the determination of what is right or wrong in human conduct belongs to the science of ethics and the teaching of religious authority. Both of these declare the Divine law, “Thou shalt not kill”. The embryonic child, as seen above, has a human soul ; and therefore is a man from the time of its conception; therefore it has an equal right to its life with its mother; therefore neither the mother, nor medical practitioner, nor any human being whatever can lawfully take that life away. The State cannot give such right to the physician; for it has not itself the right to put an innocent person to death. No matter how desirable it might seem to be at times to save the life of the mother, common sense teaches and all nations accept the maxim, that “evil is never to be done that good may come of it”; or, which is the same thing, that “a good end cannot justify a bad means”. Now it is an evil means to destroy the life of an innocent child. The plea cannot be made that the child is an unjust aggressor . It is simply where nature and its own parents have put it. Therefore, Natural Law forbids any attempt at destroying fetal life.
The teachings of the Catholic Church admit of no doubt on the subject. Such moral questions, when they are submitted, are decided by the Tribunal of the Holy Office. Now this authority decreed, 28 May, 1884, and again, 18 August, 1889, that “it cannot be safely taught in Catholic schools that it is lawful to perform . . . any surgical operation which is directly destructive of the life of the fetus or the mother.” Abortion was condemned by name, 24 July, 1895, in answer to the question whether when the mother is in immediate danger of death and there is no other means of saving her life, a physician can with a safe conscience cause abortion not by destroying the child in the womb (which was explicitly condemned in the former decree), but by giving it a chance to be born alive, though not being yet viable, it would soon expire. The answer was that he cannot.
After these and other similar decisions had been given, some moralists thought they saw reasons to doubt whether an exception might not be allowed in the case of ectopic gestations. Therefore the question was submitted: “Is it ever allowed to extract from the body of the mother ectopic embryos still immature, before the sixth month after conception is completed?” The answer given, 20 March, 1902, was: “No; according to the decree of 4 May, 1898; according to which, as far as possible, earnest and opportune provision is to be made to safeguard the life of the child and of the mother. As to the time, let the questioner remember that no acceleration of birth is licit unless it be done at a time, and in ways in which, according to the usual course of things, the life of the mother and the child be provided for”. Ethics, then, and the Church agree in teaching that no action is lawful which directly destroys fetal life. It is also clear that extracting the living fetus before it is viable, is destroying its life as directly as it would be killing a grown man directly to plunge him into a medium in which he cannot live, and hold him there till he expires…
The full entry is quite lengthy and informative.
But note how the Catholic Encyclopedia article specifically rejects the pagan position of Aristotle (referenced later by St. Augustine), that a soul cannot live in an unformed body.
It’s almost as if the Catholic scholar Ms. Pelosi does not know what she is talking about.
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August 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Of course she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. She’s a politician from San Francisco.
A minor point: Scripture does not say Thou shall not kill. The correct translation of the original Hebrew is You shall not murder.
August 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
“Pelosi lies…. ”
Wait, why is this a headline?
What is next? “Farts smell bad?” “Pope is Catholic?”
Perhaps she is confused with the new Pope they are setting up in Denver today?
August 25th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Getting into abortion debates with the pro-aborts at Michelle Malkin’s site, the only thing that’s consistent about them is their inconsistency on when life begins - but the definition always shifts to suit their wants and needs - specifically to kill an unborn child.
Read this blog - http://www.realchoice.blogspot.com - and some of the stories about supposedly “safe, legal” abortions that, if they occurred in any other field of medicine, would shut down clinics, hospitals, and land doctors in prison. Women die at rather alarming rates from these supposedly “safe, legal” procedures - and we’re not talking about slipping away quietly in their sleep. Women often die from massive internal injuries (like an abortionist pulling their intestines through the uterine wall), raging infections (like one woman who lost her arms and legs to infection before dying), or other incompetence.
Real compassionate. Real progressive.
Then the pro-aborts wonder why I won’t vote for Obama or his running mate, Biden. Aside from the socialist leanings of both, I will *never* vote for a candidate who thinks it’s a “right” to rip a baby limb-from-limb while in the womb, or to stick a scissors in a baby’s skull moments before he’s born to suck out his brains. Or - in the case of Obama - politicians who think it’s okay to throw live, born, abortion survivor babies on shelves to die because keeping them alive is an “undue” burden.
Pelosi and any other “Catholic” politician who supports abortion should be denied the sacraments and/or excommunicated until they square their views with the actual teachings of the Church.
Abortion has always been wrong in Christian teaching. It is a sin to support, condone, or otherwise encourage people to have abortions. Period.
But, of course, just like the women who dress up to play priest, Pelosi is re-making the Catholic Church into the image she wants…which means, of course, throwing out all Catholic doctrine and replacing it with the Gospel According to Liberals.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Has the Catholic Church or even just an American segment of the Church made a statement concerning Ms Pelosi’s utter stupidity re: Catholic Doctrine? I can see why she said Obamanation is a ‘blessing sent by god’ since she has no concept of reality, religion nor God at all.
What I can’t get my head around is how anyone with any sense at all would elect these two dog catcher much less to the positions one is in and one aspires to. . . To imagine people even dumber than them, well it makes my head spin and my stomach heave.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I would hope the Bishops in the US would grow a pair and issue a statement not only denouncing Pelosi but making it standard operating procedure to deny high-profile individuals who support policies and behaviors contradictory to the Church’s teachings Communion.
Alas, many of the bishops and a few priests, are either too timid or liberal themselves to do anything about it. And groups like Catholics for Obama do squat to help the matter.
Which means it’s up to faithful, and properly catechized, laity to educate others about what the Church really teaches and that abortion is always a non-negotiable criteria in voting.
The other day, in the drive-thru at Culver’s, the car in front of us had an anti-war bumper sticker quoting Pope John Paul II…right next to a Moveon.org Barack Obama bumper sticker. Had my hubby not physically restrained me, I would have gotten out, knocked on the man’s window, and reminded him that JPII called abortion one of the greatest civil/human rights issues of our era…and was ardently pro-life. And, just yesterday, a “Catholic” woman showed up at a parish function wearing a huge Barack Obama pin. I longed to ask her when the Church changed it’s position on abortion, since I missed the memo, but my husband restrained me from doing so.
I just don’t get it.
Abortion is not a “health issue” (less than 3% of abortions are done for legitimate health reasons). It’s an abhorrent form of birth control and Barack Obama supports abortion at *every* stage of pregnancy…up to and including birth. Any person of religious conviction should be appalled and ashamed of this. And any person with a sense of decency - religious or otherwise - should be disgusted that 3,000 children will die today in the name of “choice.”
People who treat their animals the way we treat unborn children would end up in prison. But liberals consider this compassionate and progressive.
It disgusts me and I will go to my grave fighting for an end to legalized, state-sanctioned murder.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
That Pelosi had not been excommunicated long ago together with all of those pro-baby-killing and pro gay-rights “Catholics” is a further proof that Catholic Church in the USA is a mess almost beyond repair.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
A Mad Pole:
Read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose. He talks at length about the problems the Catholic Church has…and they can all be directly tied to liberal persons - both religious and laity - subverting the teaching of the Church through the seminaries and the piss-poor catechesis of the 1970s/1980s.
The Church in the USA is not beyond repair, but an effort must be made to clear from the ranks those priests, bishops, nuns, and lay persons who hold in contempt the teaching of the Church on everything from theology to social teaching like abortion and birth control. A bishop with
The most vibrant parishes and religious orders are the ones that are conservative and faithful to the teaching of the Church as outlined in the Catechism.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
…..”“Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?” what would you tell him?…….”
As clueless as Obama is, even he knows better than to ask for an answer from that dipstick. A clear case of Dumb and Dumber. Obama can’t discuss any topic without a teleprompter. Pelosi does worse, even after having had the questions to which she will respond given to her before hand.
Just think. Third in line of succession to the presidency. That should help you sleep at night! (idiot)
August 25th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
“The Church in the USA is not beyond repair”
I agree, that is why I said “almost”.
“The Church in the USA is not beyond repair, but an effort must be made to clear from the ranks those priests, bishops, nuns, and lay persons who hold in contempt the teaching of the Church on everything from theology to social teaching like abortion and birth control”
That would wipe out the Church in the USA.
There are 60 millions Catholics in the USA, so there should not be a single pro-baby-killing, pro-gay, anti-family politician holding a U.S. Senat or House seat and anyone trying to launch a political carrer based on such satanistic agendas should be locked up in in a mental institution lest he/she hurts others or laughed out of the court at thel east.This is not happening, which means not too many of the 60 million take the Church teachings seriously enough to affect the votes they cast, let alone live according to the teachings.
“The most vibrant parishes and religious orders are the ones that are conservative and faithful to the teaching of the Church as outlined in the Catechism.”
Could not agree more. The church my wife and I go to is not even a part of Chicago Archdiocese, it is a missionary center run by Polish Jesuits and boy, they are sure as politically in-correct as they get. Should hear some of the sermons, they really call spade a spade and do not gloss over their own failings as well as ours. Most American would be probably offended and put-off by their “arrogance”, “narrow-mindedness”, “fundamentalism and “intolerance”.
That book you recommend sure sounds interesting.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Ah the Marxist, Socialist philosophy! Things begin and end when I SAY they do. Has there ever been a more Orwellian Party and Media than the Democrats and the Lame stream ones we have now? Too bad George Orwell didn’t do lottery tickets. He was SPOT on in everything else!
August 25th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
That would wipe out the Church in the USA.
I don’t think so. In the book I mention, the author details the tragedy (and it is a tragedy) of many good, faithful men pushed from the priesthood by liberal rectors - these were men who wanted to be priests, who had a deep devotion to Christ, the Eucharist, our Blessed Mother, and the Church. Some were just harassed out, others basically expelled, some blacklisted for being too orthodox, and others referred to psychologists because they had “mental problems” for being faithful to the Church.
If those who forced these men out of the seminaries were gone, these men would come in and - like we both agree - conservative seminaries and parishes would thrive.
I’d love to see more Catholic converts, but I also want to see those Catholics understand and practice their faith correctly.
I completely agree that there shouldn’t be a pro-abortion politician in any level of office. If the priests and bishops grew a backbone and started denying communion to those who support such evil, the message would be clear: follow us or find another Church.
And, sadly, that’s what it comes down to. I believe the Catholic faith is the true faith; if I didn’t, I’d leave…but I sure as hell wouldn’t try to remake the Church in my image.
FWIW - in the Chicago area, St. John Cantius is a very good, orthodox parish. I have friends who attend Mass there, and they do both Ordinary and Extraordinary forms of the Mass. Just in case you want to check it out.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Did anyone notice Pelosi’s tougue slip about a fetus being a “child”?
From Meet The Press:
MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you’re looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, “Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?” what would you tell him?
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator–St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child–first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There’s very clear distinctions. This isn’t about abortion on demand, it’s about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and–to–that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don’t think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who’ve decided…
August 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Glad to see a Washington archbishop address Ms Pelosi’s idiotic comments on when life begins and the Catholic Church. . . It would be nice to have her publicly rebuked, but this will have to do:
http://tinyurl.com/6mknbs
August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Leave it to Rush Limbaugh and SG to put out what the msm won’t do anymore - Rush is commenting on the Archbishop of New York and many other parishs around the US are commenting on how wrong Speaker Pelosi is on the Catholic Church’s stand.
Now when someone speaks up about her excommunication or at least stop her taking communion - then I will applaud.
But then that is why the Liberals are so intent on destroying the Catholic Church - it is the one that has not back down or white washed their religion at all. And it drives the libs nuts.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Depends on where you go. As A Mad Pole and I noted - there are some very whacked-out liberal parishes and archdiocese out there. There are some extremely liberal priests (see Fr. Pfleger) and bishops (see LA’s Mahoney). There are some laity who take “the spirit of Vatican II” as an excuse to have clown liturgies (I only wish I were joking) and take a cafeteria, if-it-feels-right-to-you-do-it approach to Catholicism.
But the Vatican, and the Pope, have always been uncompromising on the doctrines and teachings of the faith. The parishes and religious orders that remain faithful to the teachings of the Church are the ones that thrive - and have younger members. Groups like Call to Action (a liberal, pro-women priest, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion group) is 99.9% gray…look up some of the videos on YouTube - almost no one there was born after 1955.
So, in the sense that those who matter (the Pope and the Magisterium), no - the Church will not compromise or whitewash the faith. It is what it is - love it or leave it. We don’t want people to leave, but we don’t want people who try to remake the Church in their politically-correct image.
In a debate about same-sex marriage, a proponent of the same snidely remarked I’ve chosen the “one church that will never change it’s teaching.” My reply? “Good. That’s exactly what I’m looking for.”
Of course — you all know what this means. The left will continue to attack and undermine the Church in every possible way. There isn’t a doubt in my mind the day will come when parishes are forced to close for refusing to engage in sinful, but politically correct, behavior (i.e., performing gay “weddings”). Catholic Charities in Massachusetts already closed its adoption service because they wouldn’t adopt to gay couples and the state wouldn’t give them a religious dispensation. And it’s not just the Catholic Church - a Methodist church in New Jersey lost its tax-exempt status on some land because they wouldn’t allow a same-sex “wedding” ceremony to take place there. And an Evangelical Christian photographer in New Mexico was fined nearly $7,000 for declining to photograph a lesbian “wedding” ceremony.
Look to Canada, and you’ll get a better idea of what’s headed our way.
So we buckle down and prepare to fight.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Look to Canada, and you’ll get a better idea of what’s headed our way.
To expand on that, here’s an excerpt of a Michael Coren Column from the Toronto Sun. The article is actually about the new Canadian porn channel coming (ahem) soon. This part, however, dovetails neatly with EQ’s statement.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
DW:
That’s exactly what I was talking about. Catholic Insight now has to submit every edition for “approval” to make sure it is not offensive…it really is a joke. And liberals love every second of it.
Once, a Catholic blogger said at the end of times, Catholics would be found hiding in caves, fearing for their lives. I thought she was over-dramatic. Now I think she’s right. I will go underground, emigrate to Rome - whatever it takes because I put my faith before all else.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Once, a Catholic blogger said at the end of times, Catholics would be found hiding in caves,…
For whatever it’s worth EQ, if it ever gets to the point where it’s open season on Catholics, things most likely will have deteriorated to the point where it will also be open season on liberals.
That cave could get awfully crowded…
August 26th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
“open season on liberals.”
Sign me up for a licence!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
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-All Boone and Crockett rules remain in effect (you measure from the peace symbol to the Birkenstocks)
August 26th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Does that mean that using Che t-shirts as bait is ok?
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August 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“you measure from the peace symbol to the Birkenstocks”
Funny stuff!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Thanks SG.
Sorry for the hijack.
I’ll stop now (was in a “mood”)
August 26th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
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August 27th, 2008 at 9:59 am
EQ - I was speaking of the Church - not what specific priests, parishes, or other abominations do/think/twist/distort. Sadly the local problems are rift in most Churchs/religions.
Too many ‘churches’ (most especially in America) are diluting, picking and choosing, looking the other way - whatever to make -God, religion, the church, faith, etc - palatable for increasing parishioners (to increase
incomedonations) rather than being strict to the tenents they claim to hold (UCC with allowing TUCC to contine it’s anti-American, racist ’sermons’ [aside here, locally there is a little church that was Trinity United Church of Christ, sound familiar?!? - since the assention of Obamanation and the (not-so) Rev Wright stuff - they have changed their name to Trinity Hill Church!] or another, the Baptist Church for allowing the Westboro hate mongers to defile the words Baptist Church). It is up to the Church Leaders to have the courage to stand up and say No - and if our moral Leaders don’t have the courage, however are the people expected to learn it, or know it, or do it?Way too many of our Leaders are or have fallen short and they are part of the problem which has lead us to this amoral, immoral, secular, anything goes wilderness.
And you know what - for every ‘back alley abortion’ that these fakely pious (NOT) people whine about - there is more than one of me - born in a Unwed Mothers Home who gave a family another child, who was given much in education, medical, spiritual and economic opportunities, who is exactly the definition of the American Dream - Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (money continues to elude me, oh well), and who has given birth to 4 more examples of the wonderful opportunities and possibilities of living in America.
And to think that the Nancy Pelosi’s of the World don’t give a damn about me - simply because my young, scared mother did not want me. I am so glad and blessed that this woman was not around when I waiting to be born. And I am so saddened that her local Church can’t stand up and at least kick her to the curb.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
EQ - I was speaking of the Church - not what specific priests, parishes, or other abominations do/think/twist/distort. Sadly the local problems are rift in most Churchs/religions.
I completely agree. One of the big problems I find with those who have left the Church did so because what they were hearing from the pews didn’t mesh with the official teachings of the Church - it struck them as hypocritical and pointless.
So I think that while the Pope and Magisterium are not going to change, how individual priests/parishes/religious/laity conduct themselves still reflects on the Church as a whole. One need look no further than the awful abuse scandal to see how it tarnished the Church…even though the teachings of the Church are contrary to what those priests and bishops did.
I also agree that too many churches eschew concrete morality in favor of appealing to popular culture. It causes rifts and factions – look at the Anglican/Episcopalian churches. Liberal and conservative members are splitting over things like gay marriage, ordaining female/homosexual bishops, abortion, etc.
Actually, do some reading here – http://www.realchoice.blogspot.com – before Roe v. Wade, 90% or more of abortions were still done by a doctor, midwife, or other professional. Few, if any, were “back alley” abortions.
I know what you mean about adoption. I know a couple through blogs who cannot have biological children. They knew of a young woman, pregnant and scared, who actually scheduled an abortion but – thank God! – changed her mind. Instead, she connected with this couple, had the baby, and they have a beautiful daughter that is a joy to see. When I think about how close (within hours) this girl came to having her life ended. How is she any less human or worthy of life than any one of the 3,000 children who will die today?
It makes me so sick. And if Obama wins, he’s vowed to sign the “Freedom of Choice” act into law – which would not only roll back any advancements we’ve made on defending life, but push out of medicine those who object to performing or assisting with abortions.
This is a shame and our country will answer for the 50 million+ children it’s killed over the past 35 years. I will go to my grave fighting to end abortion and meet my Maker with a clear conscience that I did all in my power to save the unborn and their mothers.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
before Roe v. Wade, 90% or more of abortions were still done by a doctor, midwife, or other professional. Few, if any, were “back alley” abortions
Like so much of what the Liberals ‘put forth’ - it is house of cards built on lies. I suspected as much over the years.
Good news, some Catholic Republican Representatives wrote a letter to Ms Pelosi concerning her lies about the Church and abortion -
http://lifenews.com/nat4207.html
I’m glad to say that my Representative is on that short list - so he is getting my vote again this year.
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August 27th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
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August 27th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Yeah, but Pelosi told the Bishops who rebuked her ignorance to take a powder, so she definitely won’t give a crap what the Republicans think…