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Petraeus: Burning Koran Endangers Troops

From a suddenly concerned about sensitivities Associated Press:


Top US commander: Burning Quran endangers troops

By Kimberly Dozier, Associated Press Writer
September 6, 2010

KABUL, Afghanistan – The top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan warned Tuesday an American church’s threat to burn copies of the Muslim holy book could endanger U.S. troops in the country and Americans worldwide…

The comments from Gen. David Petraeus followed a protest Monday by hundreds of Afghans over the plans by Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center — a small, evangelical Christian church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy — to burn copies of the Quran on church grounds to mark the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States that provoked the Afghan war.

"Images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence," Petraeus said in an e-mail to The Associated Press…

Petraeus warned images of burning Qurans could be used to incite anti-American sentiment similar to the pictures of prisoner abuse at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison.

Pictures that were run on the front page of the New York Times for months. Pictures that the ACLU and other ‘civil rights’ groups want to publicize even more.

"I am very concerned by the potential repercussions of the possible (Quran) burning. Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday," Petraeus said in his message. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul also issued a statement condemning the church’s plans, saying Washington was "deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups."

Again, this is an Embassy from the same State Department that has spoken in favor of building the ‘Ground Zero Mosque.’ And anyone who is offended by that can go to blazes. Indeed, this is the same State Department that has shown their concern for the opponents’ feelings by sponsoring the Mosque’s fundraising trip to the Middle East.

And speaking of the ‘Ground Zero Mosque,’ aren’t we told in that context that our troops are fighting for was the right of freedom of religion and freedom of speech? Well, aren’t they fighting for the freedom of religion and speech of these would be Koran burners, too?

If we allow terrorists to control the actions of a crackpot pastor and his 50 parishioners in Texas, then the terrorists have won.

After all, what’s next? We can no longer support Israel, because it might incite Muslims against the US? Maybe we should make it against the law to draw Mohammad. Perhaps we should not let young women attend school, since Muslims are dead set against that.

Perhaps we should burn our Bibles, since Muslims find them so offensive. Maybe we should even close down Guantanamo.

Maybe we should just adopt Sharia Law and get it over with.

This article was posted by Steve on Tuesday, September 7th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

30 Responses to “Petraeus: Burning Koran Endangers Troops”

  1. Melly says:

    What a country when all we have is a “crackpot pastor” standing up to Muslim domination.
    Your move Eric Holder…………

  2. Ultra-C says:

    An aide to Gen. McChrystal calls Biden “Bite Me,” and the entire universe falls apart. Now we have Gen. Petraeus making absurd comments about an entirely domestic affair totally unaffiliated with the military, and in no way connected to the war in Afghanistan. Will the response by Lamestream Media be to run “General Betray Us” ads, to castigate him for sticking his nose into civilian business, to question his loyalty to the Constitution and its guarantees of religious liberty and freedom of expression?

    No. Liberals will always shower affection on those who help them out by pulling stupid stunts, like Gen. Petraeus just did. Of course, the second he does something they don’t like, he’ll return to scum-of-the-earth status again.

    As for me, I hope that he sticks to running the war and shuts up about domestic matters.

  3. untrainable says:

    Freedom of religion is for everyone, not just muslims. If I am offended, I should just shut up and take it. But if muslims are offended we all have to bend over backwards to try to assuage their hurt feelings by submitting to their will. They are offended by the burning of their book. I’m offended by human beings having their heads sawed off with hacksaws simply because of their nationality and religious orientation.

    Our very existence offends these radicals. The fact that we breathe is an affront to them. Burning the KqOu-ran is, or at least should be under our law, the same as burning the American Flag. If one is OK they both should be. Equal protection under the law is all but dead in this country. PC-ness will be our doom.

    And can we please decide on a single spelling of the word Koran/Quran and stick with it? At least within the context of one article.

  4. Tater Salad says:

    I would have to put money on this one that the church in Florida will get burned down by the Muslims. Islam preaches to everyone that us non-muslims should be “tolerant” and to “understand them more” but when the tables are turned around, they are the ones who are intolerant and full of hate.

    http://sheikyermami.com/2010/09/06/muslims-overwhelmed-with-anti-islamic-rhetoric-in-gainsville-florida/

  5. jackal40 says:

    Maybe we should just adopt Sharia Law and get it over with.
    Maybe we should burn Islamic Fundamentalists instead of the Koran?

    Just sayin’,

  6. Tater Salad says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Understand this and be very vigilant America because it is now happening before our eyes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0&feature=player_embedded#!

    Here are the 4 stages of Islamic Conquest of a host Nation: America………..wake up!

    http://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/4-stages-of-islamic-conquest/

    Muslims “Mark their Conquests” just like dogs do with urine:

    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/muslims-are-like-dogs/#comment-50592

    It is now in America…………Sharia Law. Will YOU allow this to happen where you live?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BVyKPYM2cw&feature=related

    Here is what is going to happen to the United States very soon as it is already happening in France, Germany, Sweeden, Finland and many more countries.

    http://bigpeace.com/stzu/2010/09/02/cbn-islamization-of-paris-a-warning-to-the-west/#idc-container

  7. AcornsRNutz says:

    General Petraeus,
    Sir, I have had the priviledge of being harms way a number of times, including under your command. I understand the nature of these comments, but find myself unmoved. I have seen glorified paintings of two large towers of steel burning and the smiling faces of many muslims cavorting and galavanting before these hideous images. I have, like so many Americans, watched our flag be trampled and burned in muslim and communist countries for many years. That’s why we are in harms way, Sir, not because some loon wants to torch a book. And frankly, I will do it again tomorrow if asked. I can’t say that I support this misguided effort in Florida, but I can say that it is at least a little heartening that some folks in this country are not going to let the vaccuum created by the death of the true American culture be filled by sharia islam. Considering the slaps in the face we Iraq vets have suffered from this regime and its ilk, it is a shame and unfortunately also a fact that this Pastor is conducting one of the most overt shows of support for what these wars are really about, and although I can’t fathom his methods, I appreciate the motive.

  8. wardmama4 says:

    Bad choice of action – good intention. Isn’t that the basis/result of 100% of all liberal programs instituted in this country?

    As AcornsRNutz said (very well I might add) – I can’t fathom his methods, I appreciate the motive.

    Let us start this September 11, 2010 a year long remembrance of exactly what happened on that beautiful September morning in 2001 – a group of radical terrorists who happened to be islamic attacked America at the heart of her financial and political soul and killed 2997 innocent Americans as they simply went about their everyday lives and altered America forever. There should be no Americans what-so-ever that pander to, kow-tow to or take the side of radical terrorists who happen to be islamic – and the delineation should be those who stand up and declare the attacks of 9/11 terrorism and condemn them – (former) President Bush said it then and it should be true today – You are either with us or against us. And keep it going until September 11, 2011 – NEVER FORGET. Anything less dishonors the 2997 killed that morning & the 5656 US Armed Forces who have died fighting the GWOT to attempt to bring an end to this madness.

    God Help America
    A Proud American Infidel

  9. Papa Louie says:

    When did tolerance become a one-way street? They offer to build a high-rise mosque near ground zero as an outreach to the community. They know it will offend us, just like an offer to build a community outreach center containing a christian church in Mecca (or anywhere near it) would offend them. But we are the intolerant ones.

    They don’t have a single reason to locate the mosque at that site except that it will be seen by hardline muslims around the world as a symbol of Islamic victory. That’s why planners of the mosque know they will receive much more funding and fame by building a mosque near ground zero than anywhere else. The community outreach angle is just a smoke screen.

    I propose that we make a donation to the mosque ourselves. We should commission a statue or painting of Mohammed conquering Mecca and offer to put it across the street from the mosque as an outreach to the Muslim community. Our offer of outreach would be just as sincere as theirs. Would they be tolerant and accepting of our outreach offer or would they try to behead us?

  10. A_Nonny_Mouse says:

    I certainly don’t want our troops put in additional harm’s way (of course, our guys ARE over there shooting at other guys who are shooting back, so it’s not exactly safe in the first place).

    BUT.

    Every time some jihadist blows people to shreds, we’re told that he was just “one of the tiny minority of Muslims who misunderstand what Islam really means”. [I know what Islam means — it means “submission”, as in “submission to the will of Allah”; and Allah, right there in the holy scriptures, tells Muslims to “slay the Infidel wherever you may find him”. But – I digress.]

    Tell ya what, Muslims: America has a “tiny minority of misunderstanders”, too.

    So if we’re supposed to forgive-and-forget every time one of YOUR “tiny minority” blows people up, don’cha suppose that you ought to let it slide if one of OUR “tiny minority” burns a book?

    Fair is fair.

    (And, by-the-way: just exactly WHO is flashing the breathless news ALL ACROSS THE WORLD that some small-town American preacher wants to burn Qurans? Seems like SOMEBODY is really eager to incite riots similar to those that happened when the Mo-toons were published.)

    • AcornsRNutz says:

      good point. IF, and thats a big IF, there is a reasonably large backlash (instead of some pencil neck student in kabul spouting off about how this is personally obama’s fault), is anyone going to hold the folks who are piling on the publicity to this guy accountable as well? Of course not. And yet, these are the people who wouldn’t show video from 9/11 because it is inflammatory and dangerous to the American psyche. Pathetic.

  11. Mithrandir says:

    So now we have to get the Muslims permission to do everything? When it comes to our rights, we always have to check with a lawyer first, and now we have to then check-in with the Muslims.

    When every special interest group is happy, THEN you have permission to exercise your God-given rights.

  12. artboyusa says:

    In what way, exactly, does some snake handling, self publicizing inbred in Hamburger Helper FL burning a stack of Korans (or Qurans or Qu’rans or whatever the hell its called) represent an appropriate commemoration of Sept 11? How dare this person insult the memory of the dead and the intelligence of the living with this ridiculous stunt? You want to remember the dead of Sept 11? Do what I do; go to church, sit quietly, pray and remember the dead and resolve again to never forget them.

    Petraeus is right. We don’t have enough enemies now? We need to piss even more people off? We’re doing so well on the PR front that we can just hand the enemy a free propaganda victory? Let’s wise up and do ourselves a favor for once, huh?

    I’m continually amazed at how badly America presents itself to the world. Did you know that from now on anyone wanting to visit the US has to register online in advance and pay $14 for the privilege? This is the ESTA program (Electronic System for Travel Authorization), established by the Travel Promotion Act of 2009, enacted as Section 9 of Public Law 111-145, the United States Capitol Police Administrative Technical Corrections Act of 2009. It’ll make us safer, apparently, by discouraging tourists from coming here and spending money.

    Yesterday was the last day you could register for free and Mrs Artboy, a UK national, tried multiple times to register but guess what? The site crashed due to heavy traffic. Who could have predicted that? Not the Dept of Homeland Security, apparently.

    So in a country where any Tom, Dick or Pablo can walk his wife across the open border and if he knocks her up the kid is legally as American as you and me (not even the UK is that stupid about citizenship btw) we’re happy to treat anyone who wants to visit Disneyland or the Grand Canyon as a hunted terrorist, hassle them for their “papieren, bitte” and then make them pay for the experience? The best advertisement for America is America itself; we ought to be encouraging as many people as possible to visit us as we can, not treating them in this disgusting way. And we shouldn’t be insulting 1.5 billion Muslims to no end except to bring harm upon ourselves either.

    • AcornsRNutz says:

      Sorry art, I think you missed the mark a little on this one. Yeah, this pastor is a loony tune, I think we can all agree on that, but I am not certain what you mean by treating visitors to Arizona as criminals, since we have not seen even the actual criminals forced to “show their papers” yet. And I just don’t buy the insulting islamists makes them attack us thing. We have kissed their collective butts for years and we were rewarded with two attacks on the world trade center, one the final blow, and by a guy who we had in the past allowed to operate in his own sphere, as well as been a big factor in the vast riches his home country is still rolling around in, where a good many people are subjected to a fairly strict islamic law and women are treated as second class citizens. A country that offered very little assitance to us in return. I assure you, we did not bring about the hatred the islamist feels toward the west, it has been ingrained in them since they started waging war proper against the entire eastern Christian world, many centuries before we came to be.

      Not to be a total dissenter though, as you are absolutely right that a better tribute to our fallen and our heroes is to respectfully do what you have done. But when the muslims took control of Spain for about 500 years, the prayers of the Christian world didn’t take it back, fighting them did. As A-nonny-mouse accurately stated, islam is submission to the will of allah, and by default to the sharia system of politics, religion and law that he described to muhammed in his narrative, and I refuse.

    • wardmama4 says:

      I agree with you Artboy except for one thing – you are not seeing this as just another Obamaism – a capitulation to our enemies (illegal aliens & terrorists) and a slap in the face of the millions of immigrants who did the right thing to get here and to the millions of visitors who do the right thing to visit. Obama is doing everything he can to insult those who are supportive of and respectful of our Laws (oh he**, any Laws) and pandering and enabling those who desire to destroy America any way possible.

      You have to provide your ‘papers’ to get a license, to join the military, to do a lot of things – Freedom is not Anarchy and the comparison is insulting and juvenile. [And I find it delicious irony & of course utter hypocrisy that the very Obama & Co who are ‘suing’ AZ for ‘asking for papers’ – demand that legal visitors do it – hey msm where are you on this????] And you missed the entire point of Obama & Co attempting to usurp as much Federal power as possible – Oh and a big thanks to the msm Obama propaganda journoLists for not making this little gem public. Blame the right people, for the right reason.

      But I do not see opening our borders for tourists and/or immigrants – as being the best policy for American advertisement in the World. Most of the World confuses their envy of us with hatred – whatever will that accomplish. More attacks?

      God Help America
      A Proud American Infidel

  13. artboyusa says:

    I’m sticking to my guns on this one, WM. The rest of the world sees America through a distorting prism of lies, propaganda and more lies which we do almost nothing to counterbalance. We could help ourselves a lot with the sort of outreach and cultural activism we showed during the Cold War. There used to be an America House in every major city, putting exhibitions and events, lending books and generally making our case. Those don’t exist anymore. Even the Germans care enough about how the world sees them to maintain Goethe Houses all over place but we don’t bother. That’s stupid.

    We could help ourselves even more by encouraging tourists, students and other visitors to come here and see the place for themselves, not through that distorting prism. By putting all these obstacles in the way of legitimate visitors we send a strong negative message; why should anyone bother paying $14 a head (even kids and babies have to pay) to a place that acts like they’re not welcome or that seems afraid of them? The US invented PR but look how crap at it we are now, so crap we’ve even given up trying.

    • AcornsRNutz says:

      I tend to see your point, Art, but disagree a little bit on certain points. Namely, the fact that I could care less how the rest of the world sees us at this juncture in our history. We have a lot bigger problems than how our culture is viewed by the world. Specifically, how we view our own culture (or lack thereof) at the moment. Our art, music, literature and philisophy are currently stagnant at best and downright awful at the more common worst.

      I do agree that spreading our real culture to the world and being proud of it is an excellent and noble goal of our country, as well as one we intended from the start, but at the moment we are concerning ourselves far to much with presenting an image of culture and class and we really can’t back it up to the world. That problem is not with any prism, it is with the manner by which we have let our current “cultural” climate degrade. I guess in that respect we don’t so much disagree as see the same problem from a different point of view. All I hesitate to fully agree with is the concept that we need to conduct PR with the world. That means trying to look good to a world in which the majority of nations envy us, and a fair number of very powerful ones loathe us completely. No amount of outreach will change that.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      I’m afraid I’m on the outs here, as well. Call it a basic instinct but there’s nothing about islam I consider to be “religion-worthy”. Those 2 billion people are subjugates and are pretty much involved in the largest cult following in the world’s history. At the top are evil, malevolent miscreants steeped heavily in the art of suppression and hatred for all that is good. You know the type. The history books are loaded with them.

      They are also still trying to fight a war that technically ended 700 years ago. The end result was the eradication of islam from all of western Europe which allowed for the Renaissance as well as some misbegotten foibles of our own, like putting Galileo in house arrest until his death, among other things.

      I despise islam. From the moment I left Libya as a kid, I never thought I would see people of that persuasion living in my homeland. I submit that although there may be “peaceful” ones around, they sure aren’t doing much to let us know it. In fact, until I hear otherwise, their deafening silence actually defends the actions of the violent. And, just like any faction that requires strict adherence to a code, it is unforgiving and deadly.

      So call me what you will but reaching out to them is not the way to deal with them. Over hundreds of years, they have proven to take any peace offering as a sign of weakness and now they are dialing up the pressure thanks to a milquetoast government that thinks appeasing them is the way to everlasting peace. That’s like letting John Gotti have sitdowns in your restaurant. “If you’re not part of the solution….etc, etc”

      And our government is now part of the problem. Investigating “crimes against muslims”, the ground zero moosque, etc. It’s a fool’s endeavor and we, the people will pay dearly for it. In fact, I believe the cretins who run that cult have said the very same thing.

    • proreason says:

      “reaching out to them is not the way to deal with them”

      Can anybody seriously believe that in 50 years, Islam will peacefully co-exist with the rest of the world?

      It’s an incomprehensible leap of imagination, given that the unbroken history of that religion is conquest without assimilation. Where is there an example of Muslims, other than when they are a tiny minority in a county, peacefully co-existing with other people?

      And what about Western culture don’t they already have 24×7 exposure too? TV brings America right into their homes every hour of the day. None of it is anti-Musllim. To the contrary. And we are supposed to think that a cultural center would make a difference?

      No, that handwriting is on the wall, writ large and bold.

      They will subsume us, or we will destroy them. It might take decades, but it is inevitable. And given how primitive they are, induced by their insane (literally) religious beliefs, it’s hard to see how it can end in their favor, unless we destroy ourselves (which looks like it may happen). It’s going to be real ugly, but the problem will be solved within the next 100 years. And oh yes, even if we destroy ourselves, the Chinese won’t destroy themselves, and they won’t have our benevolent patience, either. So one way or another, the world of Islam is doomed. The only question is how it will end.

  14. Ultra-C says:

    It occurs to me that although I am severely irritated at Gen. Petraeus for overstepping his bounds, I am also bothered by what this pastor is doing. Why should I be? Because what they are not acting in accordance with the faith the profess. As Christians, we are called upon to love our fellow man, and to reach out to unbelievers. Burning the Koran is not an act of love, but of hate that is directed at those who care deeply about the Koran. It is an intentional slap in the face of about two billion people. It is also doing EXACTLY what the terrorists want for us to do.

    Burning the Koran does nothing to advance Christ’s kingdom. The song says “they will know we are Christians by our love,” not by our hate. Leave the hatred to the Liberals and their terrorist pals.

  15. Melly says:

    So Eric Holder says the Koran burning is “Idiotic and dangerous.”
    The Ground Zero, WTC Mosque is whaaaaaaa?

  16. jimreport says:

    Hey general, your job is to kill them not kiss their ass.

  17. Coco Q. Rico says:

    I trust in Petraeus’ judgment. I respect nobody in the world as much as I respect him. If he says not to burn them, please don’t burn them.

    There are other ways to engage these debates. And yes, some of us face the possibility of deployment and don’t want added fuel to the fire right now.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      There are other ways to engage these debates.

      Lot of “debate” on the battlefield, is there?

  18. proreason says:

    Gee, I hope burning some Korans doesn’t make any Muslims mad at us.

  19. artboyusa says:

    Acorn, when you say “I could care less how the rest of the world sees us at this juncture in our history” I understand why you say it but I think that how the rest of the world sees us is absolutely vital to our national interest, especially today. We can’t win this by ourselves, we need friends – the more the better – because this war is not only about kinetics. No war is. There is also a war of ideas (which we are losing, because we don’t bother to fight it) and a war for world opinion. We need the world to want and hope for us to win and for the Islamists to lose. Right now, the world is on the fence about this (living in the UK and travelling a lot, I see and hear plenty to confirm this. Imagine how it feels when people describe you as “a good American” as someone did today. Its not great. They should assume we’re all good.

    You could argue, for example, that Germany lost WW1 because of lousy PR. Throughout the war the Germans did things which made short term, tactical sense and were militarily justifiable (shooting saboteurs, unrestricted submarine warfare, Zimmermann Telegram, etc) but which were strategically disastrous because they alienated world opinion and the Germans didn’t do enough to make a case for their actions. They thought that their military necessity trumped every other factor and also, because they were Germans and Germans were the greatest people on Earth, they could do whatever they felt like just because they felt like it. Finally, they aliented the USA to the point that we declared war on them and that finished them off. They could have won at least a draw without American intervention.

    I worry that, in a way, we’re repeating the Kaiser’s mistakes and doing our enemy’s work for him. He should have to do his own work.

    • AcornsRNutz says:

      I understand you a bit better, Art, and like I had said, I wasn’t ever in total disagreement. However there are people in the world not reaching out to, as Rusty and some others commented above vis a vis the muslim world. I may be wrong but I didn’t think that was what you were advocating. However I think what you hit on with the fact that we are not fighting the ideas is because our American identity is in peril. In order to regain it, at least what I believed was the American culture, we are going to have to tick off at least as many people as we will befriend. Likely many many more.

      And one of the biggest reasons the Germans lost WW1 was that the Americans finally showed up. And brought Marines (I may be a bit biased, but thats a game changer too).

    • tranquil.night says:

      Artboy, as wm said: “you are not seeing this as just another Obamaism”

      Foreign Policy comprises much, much more than just kinetics – you are exactly right, but I don’t think you’re differentiating enough between the Ruling Class and everyday Americans in regard to who it is that is REALLY engaged in making this country look bad and trashing the values on which its founded.

      “Imagine how it feels when people describe you as ‘a good American’ as someone did today. Its not great. They should assume we’re all good.”

      Yes, they should, because America is good, and internationals shouldn’t be predisposed to those opinions about us simply because we’re Capitalists, you’re right. But the reality is we have some very, very bad Americans in many, many public sectors – from culture, business, education, science, government, heck even so-called ‘Reverends’ – who have preached that image and predisposition abroad. It’s culturally hip to hate America in Europe. You’re a lone individual among clingy collectivists to talk good about us there. Fixing a problem like that doesn’t happen overnight, especially when their foremost accusation is that we’re cultural imperialists.

      We’re not losing the war of ideas; we’ve finally re-engaged after nearly being asleep at the wheel for two decades. In under two years we’re on the verge of the first major step to taking our country back and dealing a massive deathblow to the barely functional, incompetent, self-regenerating and perpetuating pig-trough of Federal Bureaucracy. It’s just starting to heat up.

      Foreign Policy is going to become central in the next couple years and I think what the world and even now a lot of America fails to understand (because our President no longer acknowledges it) is that we’re still in a state of war (and Europe actually is being invaded too). So you’re right, we have to reform our alliances by recomitting to our allies, but their bregrudging respect is only going to come by projecting a clear vision and commitment to our strength and security, domestically (that includes a fair, secure, and coherent Immigration policy) and internationally. A likeable, optimistic and visionary leader who can rationally make the case for our principle rights as a sovereign, free nation working for the better good of all doesn’t hurt either. An equivalent team like Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John Paul II could work miracles today.

      However, for the time being the war of ideas right now is between the American Ruling Class and the Country Class.

      These fools in Florida have very small minds if they believe this is the Christian way to make a statement or provoke a rational discussion for a set of solutions to this complex problem. Everybody here has explained that very well.

      But Petraeus is only weighing in on this because his Commander-in-Chief is commanding him.

      Who is it really using these idiots to make America look bad? The International Left Drive-by Propoganda Network, and therefore by proxy the likes of Soros and Obama. They’re the obstacles we currently have to overcome.

  20. AcornsRNutz says:

    tranq,
    ” but I don’t think you’re differentiating enough between the Ruling Class and everyday Americans in regard to who it is that is REALLY engaged in making this country look bad and trashing the values on which its founded.”

    Way to sum up exactly what I wasted all that bandwicth on in that sentence. From now on I will stick to simple snide comments.


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