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Picture Of The Day – How A Republic Dies

From Reuters:

Brittany Bajent (L) and Amanda Meyer kiss an eight-foot-tall sculpture of the head of U.S. President Barack Obama as it sits on display in the Grant Park area of downtown Chicago, Illinois June 13, 2009. The 20-foot-tall bust, which includes the top part of a suit and a pin of the American flag, is created by sculptor David Adickes and will be placed with 42 other sculptures of previous presidents made by Adickes at the President’s Park in South Dakota.

Somehow we are not reminded of the other Presidents on Mount Rushmore as we are of another colossus of history.

The Colossus of Constantine:


The seated, enthroned figure would have been about 40 ft high. The head is more than 8 feet high.

And, perhaps more to the point, here is the (6 and a half foot) foot from the statue.

You will bow down.

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, June 14th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

62 Responses to “Picture Of The Day – How A Republic Dies”

  1. Melly says:

    Objectively, all 44 U.S. Presidents are chronologically arranged along gardened easy trails in the park.

    Subjectively, the image is sickening.

    The artist forgot to include TOTUS.

    • neocon mom says:

      “The artist forgot to include TOTUS”

      You’re right–that would be like portraying Teddy Roosevelt without the spectacles.

  2. spiffyw says:

    With the Flag Pin ??
    That is a history change made in stone.
    A small start I’m afraid

    • jobeth says:

      Especially since he wouldn’t wear the flag pin for a long time at first. He had to be pressured into it.

  3. Petronius says:

    The first sculpture is of course the divine Nerobama. The second is a bust of Constantine I “the Great” (r. 306-337), who seems to me an odd choice for comparison, since Constantine founded the Christian empire. A more fitting choice might have been the divine Nero (r. 54-68), whose sculpture is shown here:


    Allow me to state the case for the Roman Emperor Nero. Nero was considered the Anti-Christ. He was the first persecutor of the Christians, executioner of the Apostles Peter and Paul, and directed the brutal suppression of Boadicea’s rebellion in Britain and the revolt of the Jews. He is sometimes called “the incendiary” for having Rome burned (64 AD), and then blaming the fire on the Christians, but this appellation more properly belongs to Tigellinus, the prefect of the Praetorian Guard under Nero, who was believed to have actually started the fires. Nero also murdered his half-brother Britannicus, his mother Agrippina, and both of his wives, Octavia and Poppaea Sabina. Nero in a fit of rage kicked the pregnant Poppaea to death, thereby also killing his own unborn child and becoming one of the first recorded abortionists of the ancient world. Even worse, Nero ordered the death of his tutor, the brilliant philosopher and essayist Seneca, and, worse still, of the arbiter elegantiae of his court, dear Petronius, the witty satirist whom Tigellinus had falsely accused of treason. I rest my case.

    • proreason says:

      It’s good to know there’s more to look forward to after The Moron passes Universal Health Kare.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Ah a man of the classics, what a great elaboration. I’ve seen you popularize Nerobama here and I’ve always liked that one. I’d forgotten just how brutal the incendiary was. I did however remember that Nero in Latin means “powerful,” and if you were to remove the ‘r’ you’d have Neo, “The One.” We definitely have a Neo-Nero leading us!

      Great tie-in with Nero being the first anti-christ.

    • Steve says:

      The second is a bust of Constantine I “the Great” (r. 306-337), who seems to me an odd choice for comparison, since Constantine founded the Christian empire.”

      Of course I chose the image not so much for the Emperor who it represents as for its sheer size.

      Colossus of Constantine – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      It was originally over 40 ft tall, and quite a feat of ego for the times.

      I had even intended to post the hand and then, most pointedly, the foot, from that statue.

      And maybe I will, if I can find the right photos.

    • Steve says:

      “I did however remember that Nero in Latin means “powerful.”

      Technically it is Sabine. But close enough. (Powerful in Latin is ‘fortitudo,’ IIRC.)

      The Claudian family latched on to such (for them) ancient names to make it seem like they had been a dynasty for a long time.

      But oddly enough, Nero in modern Italian means ‘black.’ ‘L’Africa nera’ = ‘black Africa.’

    • Colonel1961 says:

      Powerful in Latin is ‘potens’, our root for the word potent.

      Black in Latin is ‘niger’. No comment…

      And yes, ‘nero’ is Italian for black.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      I guess “size” does matter, eh Steve?
      The picture of the two brainwashed girls kissing the massive over sized ego of his bust quite disturbing. Ol’ nappy must be proud of the dregs immortalizing his mug in plaster!
      What really disturbs me most is the “Butcher of America” hasn’t done anything to be hailed for…….. NOTHING!!

    • Confucius says:

      In Italian, nero means black.

      In Latin, niger means black.

      In Portuguese, nigre means walking dead.

      In Portuguese, mulatto means mule.

      In America, mulatto means affirmative action perfected.

    • Colonel1961 says:

      Salve magister Confucius.

  4. jobeth says:

    Brings to mind the statue of another Hussain…one who fell in Iraq a few years ago. We can only hope for the same result here.

    • texaspsue says:

      Yep, exactly like Hussein! We’re turning into Iraq under Saddam. I used to joke about the Obama statues. Now it is a reality. Unbelievable! This is chilling! Can you imagine if any other President did this?

    • jobeth says:

      Also significant is the size of the statues… resembling the communistic statues, pictures etc.

      Used to be we erected slightly larger than life, dignafied statues that honored someone who was…deceased!
      Not now…Lets adore the living “I Won”

      Dictatorial regime statues are always huge…way larger than life.

      And the pictures are always, once again, larger than life with a sunburst of some sort behind them and with them inspirationally looking off and upwards…usually a quarter profile. (Any of this sound familiar?)

      Seems every communistic or dictatorial regime always plasters their walls and parks with these things.

      And now WE get to share in the fun! Oh wonderful!

  5. VMAN says:

    Makes me want to puke! And They call Rush’s listeners “mind numbed robots”.

  6. beautyofreason says:

    “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”

    -George Orwell

    Our politicians forget that tyranny is the norm in most societies, not freedom. Guess they’re too busy bashing the U.S. to realize it.

    “Reagan was all about America…Obama is we are above that now, we’re not just parochial, not just chauvinistic, not just provincial…” – Evan Thomas, Newsweek

  7. U NO HOO says:

    Kiss a statue of B Hussein?

    Hah, I touched Quebecois, Lock 7 of the Welland.

  8. bronzeprofessor says:

    Many thanks to “Petronius,” from a fellow classicist! I have been constantly reflecting on ancient Rome and particularly the first century emperors of late.

    Obama’s like Caligula, Nero, Claudius, and Tiberius all wrapped in one, with some Nerva and Domitian thrown in for good measure. It’s like a Grand Slam of executive overreach, cultural confusion, blasphemy, and an incompetent culture of dependency. Now all we need is a Cicero and a Cato to come forth and wake up a few people (but oh, wait, like Petronius Cicero and Cato both ended up dead before they could wake anyone up. My bad.)

  9. MinnesotaRush says:

    When those girls grow up, they’ll regret that photo!!!

    (..like a bad tatoo, ya know..)

    • neocon mom says:

      Notice how they’re strategically positioned to cover up those ears? (By my own reckoning of scale, they shouldn’t have totally eclipsed them.) What’s more, he’s hard to recognize without seeing the ears.
      Not surprisingly his features are a little too handsome to be true-to-life. An overly flattering portrayal of Obama, nothing new there. But isn’t your legacy supposed to be a little more time-tested before your head is carved into a one-ton stone? I guess if you rested that size head onto an exact replica scale statue of Obama’s body, then you’d have a most accurate portrayal of this arrogant hack.

    • caligirl9 says:

      From what I understand from my public school education is that tweaking a person’s features in art is all good. It’s a historical thing ;)

      Didn’t Holbein do that back in the days of Henry VIII and the painting of Anne of Cleves? Painting not so bad, reality freaked good old Prince Hal out to the point of calling the woman his “sister” and getting their marriage annulled.

      Someday in my lifetime there will be accurate TOTUS’ “art,” ears and all!

    • jobeth says:

      Neocon mom…Ears!!! That’s it! I couldn’t put my finger on it (not that I’d touch that thing!) , but I knew something was missing from that thing.

      I’ve never been to this park but I wouldn’t be at all surprized to find the rest of them to be about 3ft tall. Of course only the “messiah” rates a huge thing like this. I mean after all…….

  10. neocon mom says:

    I’ll bet this head is one of the few things to survive the coming “Barackolypse” (If it isn’t hyperinflation that causes chaos and civilization’s collapse, maybe it’ll be NoKo or Iran, or just some Islamist prison-convert jihadist with a suitcase nuke.)

    • jobeth says:

      When Obalmy’s house of cards fall I want my picture taken with me slapping the face of his image with my flip flops!

  11. pianogirl88 says:

    It was easy to tell that the picture of the hand with extended finger was not that of our current POTUS, because the wrong finger is pointing upward.

  12. Gustav says:

    Most of you sound like petty criminals who didn’t get their share from the liquor store robbery.

    The fact that you are all analyzing what appears to be a pretty crappy sculpture illustrates how much time we waste on the wrong issues (too bad there aren’t better artists in America but that’s because most Americans hate art education and would rather, as parents, beat each other up at their kids’ ritalin-enhanced softball games).

    The very first time anyone asked Obama why he didn’t wear a flag pin was in 2007. TIME mag wrote: “The pin saga started on October 3, 2007 … ‘The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security,” Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest. Instead I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe what will make this country great and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.'” –Barack Obama

    Now, I don’t see what’s wrong with Obama’s answer. For most Americans, the flag pin and the yellow Support Our Troops car magnet ribbon became the lazy man’s way of showing his patriotism. Everything went fine for the Support-Our-Troops crowd until we found out they were too busy hating Lefties to bother investigating thing like the Republicans’ depraved indifference to our returning wounded veterans. The scandal was exposed by the very people the Republicans were calling unpatriotic.

    As far as bad American sculpture goes, one only has to look at the new Ronald Reagan statue unveiled a week or two ago to see that, even for our most admired president, glassy surface quality and silly caricature in bronze is more popular today in our country than Greek or Roman marble or limestone classicism.

    • gipper says:

      “It reminded me of the time, in grammar school in the early 60s, when you could not wear a loop on the back of your shirt or you would be called a queer, especially on Thursdays, and there would always be two or three of your classmates who would laughingly rip the loop off the back of your shirt.”

      Sounds like you were traumatized, Gustav. You argue that a “fag tag” should have no meaning. I agree. But there is meaning in the U.S. flag to patriots. To true patriots, the flag symbolizes liberty, opportunity, the sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform, etc. Barack Obama’s words and actions make me question any of the aforementioned things. When I see him wear the flag pin, I see it as a meaningless prop, a “fag tag” if you will.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Gustav wrote:

      “…Republicans’ depraved indifference to our returning wounded veterans. The scandal was exposed by the very people the Republicans were calling unpatriotic.”

      Would you please be more specific? I was unaware of this and would love to read the article, most likely written and spread through the MSM, your one-party-media.

      Sounds to me like you believe everything the main stream media gives you.

      But, if you would be so kind as to give some references.

      And as far as hating lefties goes, I don’t hate them. Feel sorry for them? Sure. Pity them? Absolutely. For they lead with their hearts and think that everything will be peachy keen if we can just sit down and impress upon the radical muslims that we mean them no harm.

      Yup, smoke some weed, have s’mores, sing kumbayah and the Utopian dream will be realized, eh?

      What I DO hate is the absolute ignorance and repulsion to logic, causality, common sense and protection of constitutional rights. Are you a US citizen? It sounds to me that you are not.

    • proreason says:

      I dunno…..I’ve never been convicted of a crime. Neither has anybody in my immediate family. Actually, none of us have committed any crimes or misdemeanors.

      Has anybody else who posts to S&L regularly been convicted of a crime? This is your chance to declare your true allegiance to criminality!!

      But Gustav…..how about you?

      And who do you think most convicted criminals voted for?

    • JohnMG says:

      ….”But, if you would be so kind as to give some references…..”

      He doesn’t have any, Rusty. From his post, I doubt he was even alive then. He comes here, drops a stink bomb, then runs and hides. How many McGovern-ites supported us when we came home? None! John Kerry comes to mind. What a putz. But I can give you lots of instances when I was accosted by some lib-wit who has somehow either ended up in politics or academia, and would like to re-write history. Usually they were hurling their insults from behind some lawyer-type ’cause they didn’t have the balls to go at it one-on-one. And still don’t. I’m 63 years old, and people like Gustav still don’t have the seeds to spew their crap to me, except through an anonymous forum.

      And as far as this yo-yo goes, like the ad used to say, “Why do you think they call it dope?”

      That flag means more to me than it does to some piss-ant community organizer who only began wearing one after he had clinched the nomination and had to begin moving to the center to get the necessary votes to get elected. That’s a matter of record. I have no use for an opportunist who wraps himself in the flag, especially only for his self-aggrandizement.

      Pathetic dweeb.

    • neocon mom says:

      Barack’s decision not to wear the flag pin was, IMHO, a nod to the far left. His arrogant proclamation that a flag is a symbol of “empty” patriotism seems to imply that if one does wear a flag pin, one is engaging in “empty” patriotism. He assigns a derogatory meaning to the flag pin, (which isn’t surprising, as he assigns a negative image to America and almost everything that has made it great, especially when abroad.) It’s like abandoning the cross as a symbol of Christianity because some people of the cloth have (and will continue to) use their charge to further their own desires and not Christ’s. Why discard a politically neutral symbol of the nation that you seek to lead? Besides, the flag pin popped up right after 9/11, during a brief period of solidarity; in that way, the flag pin is a uniquely a reminder of a fragile unity that came out of a tragedy, during a time when all hell could have broken loose instead. It is a testament to the bravery and resilience of all of our citizens. And Obama rejected it for some convoluted, eggheaded and illegitimate reason. His criticism of others’ “empty patriotism” would be a lot stronger if he backed it up with some specific examples, but notice how he fails to buttress the claim with a single example.

      As for you, you’re like one of those media matters type callers who tries to fool Limbaugh or Levin into thinking he’s a disgruntled conservative. Your post reeks of the type of snark popularized by the lefty media.

  13. JohnMG says:


  14. JohnMG says:

    …..”Brittany Bajent (L) and Amanda Meyer kiss an eight-foot-tall sculpture of the head of U.S. President Barack Obama….”

    At first I thought, ‘Well, it’s better than kissing his ass.’ Then I realized it’s tough to distinguish any difference.

    Personally I think it looks more like one of the Smothers Brothers.

  15. canary says:

    JoBeth, aside not recongnizing at all who the subject of the photo was, noticing the artists poor quality, as they should know the eyes are usually centered half-way between the top and bottom of head, mid-face, This statue has the forehead to short. People tend to have an illusion that the eyes are higher up than they are. I had to read to learn who it was, the art is so bad. So, that’s good news, at least. Then anger over the pin, then the vision of roping and bringing down the statue of dictator Saddam Hussien. Obama will no doubt find away to take the stimulous package money for art, to make a statue that looks more like him to replace it, and will have to pay to have this art bust, lifted by a crane and dumped in a landfill somewhere.

  16. Gustav says:

    Rusty Shackleford:

    Sorry. Thought most of you knew how to use that personal cornfoozler you got in front of you. To put this to you country-simple, you might think twice about poo-pooing everything you hear about your “liberal media.” All media is owned by corporations who own many things and I can absolutely guarantee that if you look into it, you will find that very few of them are “liberal.” Be that as it may, here is something you should try to gag down even though you think it’s a lie because it came from a “liberal media outlet.” (By the way, Monsanto, the Great Satan for hippies everywhere, is a proud sponsor of NPR.)


    While I wouldn’t call this a liberal media outlet, I’ll use it as an example of yet more veteran neglect which I can bet most of you didn’t know about. More recently:


    Maybe you people should focus on more important things than your imagined Obama/Anti-Christ nonsense. That is, if you really care about getting back to reality.

    • proreason says:

      The problems at Walter Reed result from an entrenched civilian workforce that can’t be fired and can’t be controlled.

      To think the military personnel in charge (the top general has been improperly fired) is responsible is ludicrous. Why would a military person short-change his own troops? It doesn’t pass the simplest smell test.

      Likewise, to blame problems that result from libwit-created work-rules for untouchable civilians on President Bush is also laughable.

      There are problems in military hospitals, but they are systemic issues, and certainly do not result from Republicans, conservatives, or military veterans.

      And anybody who thinks NPR is not an example of the libwit media is a blind fool.

      Rusty, by the way, is a proud veteran. He actually SERVED his country and put his life on the line for Americans like you, Gustav, who rather than appreciating his sacrifices, are filled with scorn for anything having to do with the military. Many many people who post on this site are veterans..

      Gustav, you don’t deserve to be in the same room with Rusty..

    • gipper says:

      “The problems at Walter Reed result from an entrenched civilian workforce that can’t be fired and can’t be controlled.”

      Amen, proreason. I served at Walter Reed. The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), a union, should be held responsible (at least partly) for the atrocities at Walter Reed, but they are not, sadly.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      OK, Walter Reed, which I believe was scheduled for closure…during the Clinton administration. Basically orchestrated by the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings bill, during the Reagan administration. Phil Gramm is a republicrat, switching parties in 1983. Rudman, a republican and Hollings, a democrat.

      I was against the shrinkage of the military then and I am now. Not because I’m a veteran, but because I believe in a strong military presence. I already hear your arguments and they are valid. I know it costs money. But in a free economy I’d rather pay for a strong military than a mismanaged healthcare boondoggle.

      Walter Reed was something that made me very angry and I was angry at republicans and democrats and anyone responsible for that neglect. How dare you think I wasn’t. Matter of fact I wrote letter upon letter to (guess who) my representative in Arizona, John McCain.

      I am not religious so I do not/cannot perceive Blammo as “the antichrist”. I just think he’s a very arrogant man who has no clue how government works, how the free market system works and why the constitution is not a “living document”. I also find it absurd that people like you cannot see the ever-encroaching control that this administration is establishing. If you LIKE more government control, then fine. I, however do not. It is not the role of the government to give citizens cradle-to-grave sponsorship.

      And I could care less about some ugly statue.

      And you never answered my question about being a US citizen. I still suspect that you are not.

      And, objectively, I watched the media for years. They are known for being in love with the anti-American sentiment, thinking that the US is “evil” and “needs to be punished”.

      Although I acknowledge that the US makes mistakes, it is still the MOST generous nation on the planet, the world’s police force, for who do the other nations turn to when they are attacked? And what nation do they turn to when struck by natural disaster? And genocide? And civil war?

      We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t Gustav.

      Thanks for the insults, too. You have less of an idea how I think than you realize. Don’t put words in my mouth. I was very careful to not make an insult directly aimed at you, personally but you chose to do the opposite, obviously leading and thinking with your emotions.

      So I will finish with this.

      The second you don a uniform, or take up a cause that protects the rights of a great many people by putting your own life in the bargain, then I will respect you and what you say. As it stands right now, you are a typical highfalutin know-it-all who spends more time laughing at people who argue over the significance of a statue rather than assess the root cause as to why.

      You’re the smart-ass in the back of the room that hides when the teacher turns around. Yet you probably think of yourself as intellectually superior and quite above it all. Guess what? I don’t care.

      You’re a loser. You have not qualified yourself in any way. I have no respect for you. So while you bury yourself in academia and find ways to justify your inexperienced opinion, there are people out here who live life, bust their asses and would rather not see some rookie take their paychecks and redistribute them to nothings like you.

    • neocon mom says:

      So you’re stirred up enough to “out” yourself.
      You really believe that you have some special knowledge/understanding of logic that the rest of us, as conservatives, do not possess. I love it.

      My Hubby used to shill for PIRG. He graduated Summa Cum Laude from a large state university, received top honors in the state upon entering a graduate program and eventually received an academic scholarship to a top-tier law school. It was in law school, after 9/11 and some other circumstances, that reality set in for both of us, and it became all too clear that liberalism doesn’t hold water.

      I started off my college education, like the great Michelle Malkin, at Oberlin College, ever hear of it? And now I proudly call myself “neocon mom”, does that give you any idea of where your self-important, snooty, incurious theories about politics and human nature hold up under the weight of reality, you know, like when your “existential” crises become real crises?

      But I would proudly say that it isn’t our education that most strongly qualifies our opinions. I think becoming a mom did it for me. A vocational education for me was eventually a lot more eye-opening, especially because in cooking school most of us aspire to be small business owners, and entrepreneur types are less likely to want to bend over and let big government ream them up the azz. You libs say you’re for the working man, then you turn around and make fun of how “uneducated” he is because he doesn’t understand just how beneficial your social programs are. What is the matter with Kansas anyway? You all know better than the rest of us, what’s best for us, isn’t that right?

      My husband’s proudest accomplishment among many has probably been his offer of a commission to the Army J.A.G. corps (they weren’t even able to recruit at his law school).

      As Maggie Thatcher said, “The facts of life are conservative.” A little humility and life experience might enable you to see that. You might have heard “pride comes before a fall”.

      BTW, I love that Michelle is the most prominent and well-known graduate of Oberlin College. LOVE IT! Keep up the good work, Oberlin!

  17. gipper says:

    “Thought most of you knew how to use that personal cornfoozler you got in front of you.”

    Wow, Noah Webster, did “cornfoozler” come to you while you were huffing? “Cornfoozler” is most definitely not a word, at least to those who consult Oxford and Webster.

  18. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    What the heck is a cornfoozler? I guess this was Gustav’s way of being condescending to us all. I’d like to add my own two cents here, but you guys have done a good job with your replies. Besides, (groan,..) I work the grave shift so I have to get ready for work. BTW, since I live in Texas, would Gustav automatically assume that I’m a redneck? I don’t speak with a twang but I do use the ‘Y’all’ a lot. Goodnight, looking forward to reading your posts tomorrow morning after I come home from work.

    • Flession says:

      Yup, dat der Gustaff think dat we der Canservitiv ain’t dat der well edumicated cause we just a bunch of stoopid hix in dis dar weebsite.
      Imma one of dem dar Soothern Bois too, and dat Gustaff soorree has a greet arrggguuummeeent, yessire bob. Gustaff just a big city foolk wit his learnin and dat science nonsense, dat we down ‘ere juust dun no how to handle dat down ‘ere.

      Hur Hur Hur.

      …I actually had to think about how to type like that. Well stated arguements against the pompous ass, everyone. Especially you, Rusty. Glad you didn’t demean yourself by speaking to “Gustaff” on his level, as he isn’t worth the sand on your heavily traveled boots.

  19. xomorrison says:

    42 presidents? is that an Reuters mistake or are they leaving Bush 2 out?

  20. xomorrison says:

    ah, true. thanks! (but it wouldn’t surprise me if they pulled that trick.)

  21. ptat says:

    Gustav: Thanks so much much for enlightening us with your superior intellect. As you can see from our posts, we are really quite stupid here. We have been commenting on Obama for some time now and thought we had a pretty good idea of how inexperienced, incompetent and arrogant he is, but I think you have set us straight with your superior intellect and voluminous information. We are privileged to have you take time out of your busy, important day to speak with us. Perhaps you are a lawyer? Facts do convince, after all, and well informed opinions have the greatest value. You are a shining light in our darkness!

  22. ptat says:

    Hey, Obama’s sculpture depicts him as a white man!

    • A Mad Pole says:

      That park is a short walk from my work, I can fix the sculpture with some black shoe polish during my lunch :)

      Or tar and feathers.

    • Barbie says:

      The sculptor forgot the final, defining touch – a chiseled hammer & sickle insignia on his forehead.
      I’m just saying…

  23. wardmama4 says:

    Interesting posts all – to the statue – if (and that’s a big if) President Bush’s is in this park – I do not recall – seeing a story as soon as it went up and certainly do not remember pics of saucy young lasses kissing his statue. And that Gustav is our point – daily there is just one more hip, hip, hooray We Won story about how great America is and life is now that Obama won.

    I did not idolize Bush and even though I voted for him, was sorely disappointed in several things – and his second term. I see them all as politicians (well actually the Klownposse in DC, but that is a whole other topic line) not above me in any way other than perhaps self-aggrandizing.

    On Walter Reed – let me clue you in, since as the point was made the MSM, or what is becoming the State Media is indeed liberal and doesn’t bother with pesky things such as facts most of the time – and certainly not at all during the Bush years or where the military is concerned.

    It is Congress who allocates monies for all military (defense) except for the National Guard & Reserves which are under State budgets (but really that money does come from DC, just goes through more politicos hands to get lightened up a bit before arriving to it’s destination).

    It is Congress who put Walter Reed on the Base Closing List (BRAC) in 2005 (yes, in the midst of two wars) and it was Congress who privatized (I wonder which Klown in DC got that contract for his/her district?!?) the maintenance. Not Bush, not Obama – just those people who screamed endlessly that it was ‘all Bush’s fault’ – Congress (i.e. the Klownposse in DC). [Please note Gustav, I did not write the Democrats, liberals or such – but rather included them all in this disgrace, as they are all disgraceful right now]

    Keep up on civics, American government and the Constitution (you can get a pocket one free from Heritage.org) and you will see that this destruction of America has been in the works for generations – but went on steroids in the last year – and went ballistic since January 20, 2009.

    I don’t hate Obama – and like Rusty I don’t see him as the anti-Christ (until he forces/signs that 7 year treaty with Israel, then all bets are off) – I just do not like that uber-expansion of government without the promised transparency – so that we the citizens who are going to have to live under this & pay for it – can at least read it first and then express our opinion to our representatives. Which is how it is supposed to be in America. And I do not like the fact that our taxes are going to go up and up and up for ‘entitlements’. To get, keep and make more and more Americans beholden to the government for more and more aspects of their lives and worse make the government more and more intrusive into all aspects of all citizens lives. On our dime.

    I want to live Free but more than that – I want my children and grandchildren to understand why their ancestors sold everything they had, including one of them – himself – to come to the greatest Nation in the World.

    And I am sorry, but any political candidate who opens his run for President of the United States with America is the greatest country in the World, now join with me to change it should have been laughed out of the primaries not elected to the POTUS.

  24. bronzeprofessor says:


    Thank you for your counterpoints. I have heard a number of these points in discussions with people in the academy.

    I am glad that you show some concern for veterans, since they perform an extremely service and all our freedoms rely upon their sacrifices.

    Maybe you are in the military, or maybe you aren’t. One can never tell over the Internet. I can tell you this, however: Men and women who put on the uniform need our support, both physical and spiritual. Walter Reed Hospital was an example of a failure to show physical support. Liberal protesters and people who politicize Walter Reed Hospital to denigrate the war itself — the purpose for which sodliers, Marines, pilots, and sailors are willing to die — is an example of a failure of spiritual support.

    In other words, you are right and wrong. You are right to argue for better services to veterans. But you are wrong to think that trashing Republicans and feeding the antiwar machine is less hurtful to military families than a hospital with inadequate services for veterans.

    The smoking gun in your original post is that you immediately want to insult Republicans in the sentence where you introduce the question of medical care for veterans. It could not be more obvious that you only care about these men and women returning from battle, when their suffering supports your own political aims. Regarding who they are, and what values they hold, and why they risked their bodies and lives for a cause led by a Republican president, which you do not understand, you could not care less.

    If wearing a flag pin is a hollow gesture, then you bringing up Walter Reed to cover for Barack Obama, delegitimize a hard-fought war, and insult the Republican Party, is even worse.

    I thank you for joining this community and presenting an alternative argument. I thank you in advance for taking the time to read our responses and changing your own viewpoint in the face of persuasive evidence. I once opposed the Iraq War and protested against it, but later spoke to veterans and realized how hurtful my protests were. I signed up for the Army Reserves in my thirties because their arguments changed the way I thought so much. You should strive for the same openness.


    Robert O. Lopez

  25. Liberals Demise says:

    Oh and by the way Gustav ………….. from the many Veterans here in our community, “You are Welcome!!”

  26. Petronius says:

    Gustav: “Most of you sound like petty criminals . . . ”

    Adherents of Marxism, Chicago thug politics, and ACORN might think twice before calling people on S&L “petty criminals.” If one were looking with an open mind for criminals, petty or otherwise, one might look first to the current thugocracy, including some of the President’s cabinet members, staff, economic advisors, constituents, and contributors.

    Gustav: “time we waste on the wrong issues . . .”

    Folks on S&L enjoy good jokes, fun, and wit. The deification of Nerobama by the media and in popular culture is certainly as funny as anything in Mark Twain or Henry Fielding. But we also have our serious side. Thus articles and postings on S&L have devoted considerable thought and commentary to subjects such as the war on terror, Iran, North Korea, the Taliban in Pakistan, America’s traditional allies, the state of Western Civilization, etc., issues on which the devine Nerobama and his thugocracy have yet to engage in any positive or meaningful way.

    Gustav: “more important things than your imagined Obama/Anti-Christ nonsense.”

    If the devine Nerobama is not the Anti-Christ it is not for his want of trying. For most of his life he has steeped himself in Marxism, radicalism, Islam, and black liberation theology. All of his known associates are people of the same mind. From almost his first day in office, he has fought a low level war with the Vatican. He has disrespected the Vatican by canceling his trip to Rome and in his choice of ambassadors. He is America’s foremost advocate on behalf of late-term abortions and of death for aborted babies born alive. For his speech at Georgetown University he required the University to cover up / remove its Christian symbols and the name of Jesus. He claims that America is not a Christian nation, while in Cairo praising America’s rootedness in Islam. This is a good start. Give him more time, and he just might make the grade.

  27. U NO HOO says:

    ““It reminded me of the time, in grammar school in the early 60s, when you could not wear a loop on the back of your shirt or you would be called a queer, especially on Thursdays, and there would always be two or three of your classmates who would laughingly rip the loop off the back of your shirt.””

    Wearing green on Thursday also indicated you were queer, of course now it is a badge of honor.

    Perez Hilton, call homo, I mean home.

  28. Chase says:

    Hi S&L crowd!

    How I have missed this crowd – the insight, love of country and principles, the experience, wisdom and intellectual zing of both the blog and all its participants! I discovered and vastly enjoyed S&L in 2006 as ‘wampaku” while working in Fallujah. Lack of decent internet access since then has prevented my habit until now…

    Anyhoo, just wanted to add a little comment in regards to Gustav’s taunts – You know, the Dimmiesats preach a good line – the party that cares about the little people of America. Your post follows that line – that the party of soft-hearted, loose-brained Dimwits care more about the little people, even the Bootjacked, mindless stooges who out of desparation for a paycheck, or because they failed in academics, or need to get out of boring flyover America, become mercenaries to the industrial-military complex and don the flag-bearing uniform of the military. Wow, I am so amazed at your compassion, even over these that you sneeringly denigrate, indirectly, of course, most of the time.

    Well, I just don’t get it. If the Libs are so concerned with the little guy in America, HOW come so many of the policies of your paternalistic Libs REALLY don’t do the little guy any good in the long run? How come most of the policies the self-serving professional politicians you install for life ((i.e., Byrd, Kennedy (any one of them)), despite their part-time work due to senility and drug/alcohol treatment center stays)) end up in reality to perpetually inhibit their freedom, their dreams, their opportunities, and their ability to see the light and grasp for means to lift themselves?

    Your liberal loudmouths with their condescending paternalism bred at Harvard and Yale, etc, and their training in what was once the noble profession of law that is now a cloaked business misused to twist and spin and contort decency and rule of law to advantages for their elite colleagues, suppression of the masses, elevation of self, and conscripted allegience to their evil, self-serving political ends really don’t care about the common man.

    The joke that is public schooling, the spectre of nationalized health, the hollowing out of the military, and the lack of reverence for patriot’s dream and traditional Judeo-Christian ethics? I could go on and on…. This is progress? This is elevating the common man, the continuation of the dream that has been America, the furtherance of ideals of freedom, individual happiness?

    No, sir. Slime-bim-Bama is steering towards statism, all craftily frosted and decorated to be momentarily palatable to the masses they truly detest and despise.

    The True Master said, among many other things, in regards to the poor and lowly, “They will always be with us.” No government instituted by man will change that. The liberal’s “Imagine” world, as expressed by John Lennon, can not be. BUT, you, Gustav, and your what’s-in-it-for-me millions of morals-addled cohorts believe government can solve all the ills, can be held accountable for the anecdotal mishaps of society, and relieve you of your feeling bad about life’s tragedies, so that you can go on with Voyeurism TV programming, and not really give a damn about the family down the street having a hard time. Let the taxes I blindly pay fix everything and leave me alone. That’s your mantra, your ideal, your “Imagine” world, your real level of involvement and the indicator of your real interest in your common man, and your feeling about freedom.

    I laugh, with pity, at you. I cry over what your ilk has opened us up to, and pray more people rise from their intellectual stupor and end this nightmare before it is entrenched and normalized in America.

    Thanks, S&L community, for keeping the faith, the hope, and for doing it so brilliantly, with verve, humor and zest!

    Al Anbar Province

    • Liberals Make Great Speedbumps says:

      Welcome back Chase (wampaku), it sounds like that was building up inside you for a while! Nicely stated, too bad it was wasted on someone of Gustav’s ilk since he’ll never comprehend what you’ve stated.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “The liberal’s “Imagine” world, as expressed by John Lennon, can not be.”

      Wow, what a powerful statement and it’s completely true. Great to meet you Chase and thank you so much for serving.

  29. Liberals Demise says:

    Welcome back to the fray, bro!
    You do feel better now, don’t you?

  30. Helena says:

    “The very first time anyone asked Obama why he didn’t wear a flag pin was in 2007. TIME mag wrote: “The pin saga started on October 3, 2007 … ‘The truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security,” Obama said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest. Instead I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe what will make this country great and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.’” –Barack Obama”

    So then, why did he start wearing one again? If he had such an “evolved” philosophy about “true patriotism”, wasn’t it a purely craven political move during the campaign? He stated a high-minded sounding position, and then almost immediately reversed it for expediency and electability. Unfortunately this is what he does again and again, about everything. His statements of principles such as they are, are nothing but words.

    BTW – wampaku/Chase – it’s good to hear from you again. Best of luck with your work in Anbar.

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