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Poll: Most Not Sure Trump Was Born In US

From USA Today:

Poll: What kind of president would Donald Trump make?

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
April 26, 2011

WASHINGTON — Republicans may be ready for a fling with Donald Trump, but a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows they have reservations about installing him in the White House.

The real estate developer and reality TV star, who scores at the top in polls of the GOP field these days, falls to fourth when Republicans are asked to rate who among the contenders would be a “good” or “great” president in office.

Fifty percent of Americans, including 31% of Republicans, say Trump would make a “poor” or “terrible” president.

His possible bid faces broad resistance: 63% of Americans, including 46% of Republicans, say they definitely will not vote for Trump for president.

We’re not huge fans of Donald Trump, but how is possible that he is atop so many polls, if 31% of Republicans say he would make a "terrible" President?

Besides, where were polls like this about Mr. Obama 19 months before the 2008 elections?  In fact, we don’t recall seeing polls like this about any Democrat candidate — ever. But the media’s knives are out for Mr. Trump, and indeed, any potential Republican candidate.

In comparison, 46% of Americans say they definitely will not vote for President Obama — significantly lower but itself a hurdle to winning the 2012 election.

But a detail you won’t hear too much about from the news media.

Though Trump initially got attention by expressing doubts whether Obama was born in the USA, that issue is not driving his support. Among those who say they definitely or might vote for Trump, only about a third question whether the president was born in the USA

Still, in the USA TODAY poll, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere.

Republicans are inclined to say the president was born abroad by 43%-35%.

And don’t think that the media doesn’t love this. It fits right in with so many of their caricatures of Republicans.

For what it’s worth, not everyone is convinced Trump was born in the USA either: 43% say he definitely was born here, and 20% say he probably was; 7% say he definitely or probably was born in another country. Nearly three in 10 say they don’t know enough to say

Just in case you were wondering if this was a serious poll, or even if USA Today is a serious publication. This once again shows how polls are only done to make the news, not to report it. Their questions are manipulated and their respondents oversampled to produce whatever message the media wants to get out on any given day.

In fact, you should bear this ‘poll’ in mind every time you hear about any poll. They are simply another way for the media to promulgate their agenda. They have no other real significance.

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, April 27th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

37 Responses to “Poll: Most Not Sure Trump Was Born In US”

  1. Astravogel

    Check his ears. He may be Vulcanoid.
    2% of poll responders believe this.
    Also, be sure and use your seatbelt.
    It makes it harder for the aliens to
    suck you out of your car.

  2. Rusty Shackleford

    31% of people polled think Elvis is still alive, that Star Trek is real, that stepping on a crack will break your mother’s back, etc etc.

    And that thing called “SNOPES”.com? Run by a devout leftist. So don’t try dispelling any rumors with it. Only those things that will hurt the conservatives are posted there.

  3. tranquil.night

    1000% agreement with Steve.

    It’s most obvious by how they never post the figures of Dims in hit pieces like this.

    I think Trump’s about run his course unless he ditches his Liberal advisors. The stylistic positives he brought initially are quickly beginning to fade as he continues to reject arguments for the Ryan plan, and avoid serious substantive criticism. He’s made his mark, and I think the rest of the field is responding positively and appropriately to his charisma.

    He could continue to milk the press attention, especially if they keep dogging on Birtherism, which they will because it’s the one issue still yielding political positives for Obama. But I hope personally that this has been something of a ruse and a bit of a narrative shake-up rather than a serious candidacy. I just don’t want to stand on his weird platform when we have much more principled candidates without the political baggage who also aren’t afraid to hammer Obama and then come at him with real solutions in leadership.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      Well, like it or not, birther or not, Trump produced results when no one else could or seemed to want to. I don’t look at this as “birtherism” but more apt as to the amount of effort needed to get chairman O to “do as we demand”. No…not “ask” but “demand” of him. Yes, he’s a public servant and we make demands on him, not the other way ’round. So, when we say, “show us your birth certificate” then do so. Dammit.

      Why must everything about this guy be a friggin’ contest?

      You have to ride this guy to get him to do anything. Otherwise, he’ll sit on his skinny little butt and smoke and watch basketball.

    • tranquil.night

      Exactly. No one in a place to do so outside of the traditional partisan circles was willing to call Obama on anything. His past lies, his present lies and failures.

      Meanwhile, anyone who intends to challenge him, we learn about every failure in their entire life, public and personal, within the first week. Then over the course of months, we hear nothing but how evil and unqualified they are based off the narratives established by said failures.

      This is about that all-important, high-minded Liberal ideal of “FAIRNESS”! Oh yeah! It’s a bitch to have the playing field levelled when you’re the one with the rules rigged in your favor, isn’t it King Barry?

    • proreason

      my hunch is that this will fuel the Trump fire, not douse it.

      It won’t be doused until debates begin, and by that time the Donald might be able to transform himself into a policy guru. It’s not like you have to memorize the collected works of Shakespeare to do that, you know..

      What all this nonsense about him not being “serious” means is that the people saying it don’t like what he is saying. Trump’s not making jokes. But the effete arrogant ruling class pundits who spend their lives in a closed circle debating the same 10 things for 3000 hours a year don’t like it when a confident newcomer enters the fray with ideas they never even considered.

      The same can be said for people like ourselves who kind of do it as a hobby.

      My other hunch is that people who are busy leading lives don’t take offense to his positions on China or Iraqi oil at all. In fact, they think what he says not only isn’t “unserious”, they think he is correct.

    • tranquil.night

      I wrote that original post right before finding out Barry was releasing the longform, so my perspective’s changed slightly with that Trump victory.

      As you say, Trump can build on his platform, but he does need to get serious; not how the establishment defines serious but US :)

      Out of all the candidates with whom I disagree, Trump seems to be the one most willing to listen to why we disagree and possibly change his thinking. Compared to the apparatchik poll-tested candidates that’s not saying much.

      I just don’t want him on that populist platform out-charisma-ing solid Conservatives who can win, especially since we know the media would love to help that (at first). Sure he’s brash enough and the times are crazy enough that he could go all the way and it would still turn out better than Obama, but I want to call it a second-to-last choice in front of the apparatchiks.

    • proreason

      “I just don’t want him on that populist platform out-charisma-ing solid Conservatives who can win”

      Only the stong survive.

      Trump will winnow the field. If they can’t overcome HIM, then they won’t be able to beat Obamy.

    • beautyofreason

      “I think Trump’s about run his course”

      I cautiously agree. I was initially optimistic about him because I figured that he has experience in business, is a patriot, and is too rich to care about lobbyists. But his political past is rather mixed and i don’t know his exact positions. Maybe he will turn this around in the primaries; we will have to wait and see. The media is also having a field day turning his political statements into bombastic caricatures.
      I’m sure there are dozens serious political conservatives who could win against Obama; we simply need to find them.

    • tranquil.night

      “Only the strong survive. Trump will winnow the field. If they can’t overcome HIM, then they won’t be able to beat Obamy.”

      Very true.

      Reason shows its beauty again!

      Game on.

      BoR – the A team is on the field and picking up momentum. I’m obviously partial to Palin/Cain-Palin/West, but could you imagine Cain/West 2012? Whew, the state can take a lot away, but never an idealist’s ability to dream!

    • proreason

      “The media is also having a field day turning his political statements into bombastic caricatures.”

      Have you wondered why? The ones that interest me are the conservative writers and pundits.

      Why is every conservative genius except Rush and Hannity wasting precious column inches and air-time slamming such a clown. Why aren’t they just ignoring him? After all, he is going to be destroyed in the first debate, isn’t he? He’s more than a clown. He’s unserious, a charlatan, a man who has never had a serious or non self-serving thought in his life.

      But why are they all over the top with rage that such an outsider would dare to come into their territory and grab 20% market share. It has to be a temporary phenomenon. They are assuring us of that at about 260 decibels, so it has to be true.

      Just a thought on the fascinating matter. Everybody aspires to be the Ruling Class. Everybody.

    • tranquil.night

      Well the Purists worry about the damage he could do to the cause. The establishment worries about their cause because they think we’re looking like mainstream kooks now. The regime and the MBM are trying to spin in it as if he’s doing more harm to us than them.

      If there’s anyone with whom I’m inclined to sympathize (not agree) it’s the Purists of course, but it has been shocking the extent to which they’ve personally savaged someone who at the end of the day isn’t our enemy, nor is he yet even an opponent. It just strikes me as the wrong priority and anti-democratic, no matter how foolish. I mean, the Purists kinda-sorta tolerate the Paulites, but maybe that’s because we don’t consider Ron Paul and his merry band much of a real threat.

      I think you’ve nailed it Pro. Once anyone gets their voice into the construction of The Narrative, the tendency is to want to discredit any disagreeable ‘outsider’ who encroaches upon or disrupts that power to drive discourse.

      For my own part, I will continue trying to resist such an impulse, let this run its course, and hope reason prevails when it needs to.

    • proreason

      Here’s what I think should be said about Trump:

      - Welcome to the anti-Obamy forces
      - Thank your for demonstrating how to handle the media and get under little lenin’s skin
      - We understand you haven’t been a professional politician and have said or done some things that our side doesn’t typically approve of. Many of us have done or said similar things when we were younger. We are listening closely to learn what you believe now. In the meantime, we will give you the benefit of the doubt since we want our numbers to be massive.
      - However, unless you begin to espouse some of the foundational principles that animate our opposition to Obamy, like fiscal conservatism, and an abiding faith in free markets, then we are not going to support you for the highest office. But even if we end up not supporting you for president, we look forward to having you as an ally for the existential struggle we all recognize.
      - You are now an official member of the forces of light

    • tranquil.night

      I yield with gratitude. That was exceptionally put, and it’s getting favorited!

  4. proreason

    “bear this ‘poll’ in mind every time you hear about any poll. They are simply another way for the media to promulgate their agenda. They have no other real significance.”

    exactly.

    Aside from the known ways the pollsters manipulate the polls, consder this indisputable fact about polls…the very simplest poll is the Presidential poll. It’s a simple door 1 or door 2 on a subject that at the time is the most publicized topic in the world. Even then, even with the most controlled situation conceivable, the polls are still almost always off by 2 to 5%.

    So, even if the far more complicated polls that ast complex questions were conducted by people with the most integrity in the world, the results would still be a lot further off than 2 to 5%.

  5. Mithrandir

    Same ‘ol Media Gamesmanship Again

    Obama is not popular? –Report how unpopular Sarah Palin or Trump is.

    Gas prices high? –Report how great it is people are FINALLY using their bikes or walking.

    Country wallowing in debt? –Report how people are starting to be responsible, and tightening their bugets.

    Tax increases? –Investments.

    Tax increases? –The rich aren’t paying enough.

    Tax increases? –Well, tax cuts “aren’t paid for” –as if ANYTHING is paid for! (that’s why we are 14 trill in debt dummies!) And as if every tax cut has to be off-set by a tax increase, which isn’t a tax cut.

    Tax decreases? –Tax cuts for the rich. (ah, the echos of Dick Gephart!)

    Obama throws like a girl? –He is athletic, sexy, in-tune to America’s pasttime.

    Obama booed in a stadium? –He is wearing the opposing team’s hat.

    No matter what the news, Obama comes out smelling like a rose, or Republicans are just “racist.”

    • Rusty Shackleford

      “He is wearing the opposing team’s hat.”

      How right they were. Even when trying to defend twig-boy, they get it right. They just don’t realize how accurate they were.

  6. beefeater

    Maybe with any luck we can convince McCain to run again, he deserves another chance. If not him I think Bob Dole is still alive.

  7. Why did Barack Obama release a “so-called” birth certificate NOW? Could it be because of this action below? I do think so!

    http://tpartyus2010.ning.com/p.....share_post

  8. canary

    Trump already showed his birth certificate.
    At least now Obama can no longer play the allure of twice describing himself as an exotic well traveled black man. And Michelle’s teasing they went to Kenya Obama’s home country and took aids test.
    I do hope Obama continues his bragging of his muslim upbringing, family, and studying the Quran. He will continue rolling the “r’s” when he says Arabic words with an accent. And of course Obama always
    says “the holy koran”. Obama wouldn’t dare say “holy” bible.

  9. proreason

    The field 18 months out.

    Lots of candidates, most unannounced and many unlikely to run. I like them all except Ron Paul, and I would crawl out of my death bed over hot coals and army ants to vote for Ron Paul over the Moron.

    But at this point, I only think there are 5 who can win: Romney because he is presidential, Pawlenty because he doesn’t have any glaring flaws, Christie because of his work in NJ, Rubio because he is so articulate and Hispanic and won a big election in Florida, and West because he is a powerful conservative black military hero. Rubio and West are a stretch by conventional measures, but I just think they could overcome their relative inexperience (both have loads more experience than the Moron).

    But Rubio, Christie and West aren’t likely to run, which leaves Romney and Pawlenty. Romney probably can’t make it out of the primaries because of Romneycare, so Pawlenty is the best hope at this juncture, imho.

    I rank the Donald 14th of my ranked list of 18. Sarah is 7th.

    The criteria I used are: ability to win – 50%, personal opinion – 30%, ranking based on 5 factors – 20%. The 5 factors are Policies, Communications, Life Story / Values, Fatal Flaws, and Experience. Personal opinion and the 5 factors are similar except that the 5 factors is done with math. Fatal Flaws are things like Romneycare, Palinization and messy divorces.

    If I ranked only on whether I personally like the candidate, my favorites would be Rubio, West and Palin, all about the same, followed by Pawlenty, Christie, Bolton and Rand Paul, again all about the same. I found it interesting that I, the notorious racist bigot, likes 3 of the 5 minorities the best of all. I’m going to have to reread my “KKK Rules for Misogynists”.

    My botton 5 in the final rankings are Trump, Huckabee, Rand Paul, Santorium, and Ron Paul. Rand and Santorium ae so low because I think their chances of winning are very very low. I may lose by KKK membership for this one, because Caine and Bachman are in my middle group and only white guys are at the bottom.

    The most interesting wild card, other than Trump, is Bolton, who could emerge because he is amazingly articulate, very clear in his beliefs, and because his experiences (like Trump and Caine), differentiate him from the field. If voters are finally fed up with political criminals and are scared of the Business guys, Bolton could become a player. Of course, the press will begin Palinizing him the minute he begins to make a move.

    One other point. There are a lot of governors, all of them with good experience and credentials. The only ones who are liked by the base are Christie (who isn’t universally liked) and Palin. The reason is that they both take strong stands. If Romney, Pawlenty, Davis or Huckabee want to break out, I think they need to take the Trump lesson to heart and go after little lenin with gusto. That doesn’t mean they have to call him a Moron (although that would be wonderful), but they have to stop being the 4 milquetoast muskateers. People want a candidate this time who knows how to deliver fire as well as take it.

    • heykev

      “KKK Rules for Misogynists”

      If you need to review the rules, you can always borrow my copy. It was autographed by Robert Byrd.

  10. Not so fast

    I still think Donald Trump is working for the Democrats. His crticism of the Paul Ryan’s Budget proves it to me. I think everyone, including The Donald, knows he is totally unelectable. So it then goes to what is his motivation? If it’s an instrument of Mass Distraction it’s working beautifully. If it’s a commercial for his Television shows and commercial ventures it’s working beautifully. If it’s for helping the nation solve it’s economic and employment problems it’s a joke!

    • tranquil.night

      Last time I checked the Ryan plan is clearly popular, the Moron’s polls are still cratering, and he’s lashing out at his own media for mainstreaming the Certificate issue until he was forced to spring it, the one real achievement of his presidency so far – and he’s very proud of it.

      If Trump’s a plant, we owe ‘em one. He’s not doing any damage to the Republican field this far out, if anything he’s helping it by as one advisor said ‘making it look more reasonable by comparison.’ He’s not even a ‘serious’ candidate, crikey! And you certainly can’t call him a serious Conservative. He’s not damaging anything because he hasn’t put any brand on the line except his own. That’s why we’ve treated him more with amusement and as an opportunity rather than someone who needs to be crushed.

  11. wirenut

    Maybe this is just a teachable moment. Trump is free enterprize, the mutt is not. Trump has some fun and shows the rest of the field on how to put fleas on the mutt. The Donald jumps out, and takes a few arrows, but, helps bring down the mutt. Once dog gone, Trump goes back to what he’s good at. Making money. Could it be that simple? If so, I’m all for it. I like making money and keeping it too. Haw!

  12. canary

    Problem is Paul Ryan says he won’t run.

    A real focus of Obama’s pitiful unprofessional pick of incompetent friends to fill all the jobs and make up czar jobs.
    In an opposite take I think
    Trump think would make sure to be surrounded with smart intelligent people, and study problem and seek solutions. Trump would stand up to Pelosi and her lying.
    I just am worried as time passes. It seems some good candidates aren’t stepping up to attempt running.
    Enormous job to fix the cooked books and ghosts Obama’s has worked.

    • proreason

      Ryan hasn’t ruled out running and there seems to be a boomlet to get him to run.

      He is well liked, but there are a couple of problems if he does run.

      - the electiion will become all about his plan (and changing Medicare) rather than the Moron’s failures everywhere you look. Medicare is a very easy issue to demagogue, whereas unemployment, the economy, and inflation is right out there for the world to see. Obama will be happy to see him nominated.

      - Ryan is younger than anyone who has ever been elected and it has been a long long time since a congressman has been elected.

      These two things don’t eliminate him, but they will probably prevent him from running.

    • canary

      Pro, I was thinking he’s awfully young too.

      Course anything beats the former career teacher we have as president.
      Something that grieves me, is that I figured Bush’s father former President, would advice him, not in a position capacity, but as things that most don’t know. In an interview the 1st President Bush said he did
      give his son advice. I think Bush meant well but was naive. So, age and experience is important.
      Too many around here don’t want anyone ever in politics to run.
      Shame there is not written forms they all have to answer.
      Will Obama avoid debates with whom ever he runs against?
      The news asks dumb biased questions in the debates and don’t like that either.

      I also hate the media using comments from the idiots from the VIEW.

      One thing about Sara Palin, is she has shown an enormous strength and highest since of morals
      for having her child after hearing the results of his handicap. And Sarah has been closest to speaking her mind on Obama than the other candidates.

      And that’s far more Christian than the nasty remarks Huckabee made toward Palin in front of viewers and remarks on Romney being a Mormon. The mormon church has changed it’s doctrine so much over the years, and some myths were never true.

  13. Not so fast

    Sarah Palin is the only TRUE conservative in this Presidential field. As bad as EVERYONE wants Barack Hussein Obama out of the White House we cannot be distracted to do so. Donald Trump has donated to Chuck Shumer D-NY, Anthoney Weiner D-NY and even Rhaim Emmanual D-Chicago. I’m sorry but that is not in the same Solar System as Conservatism. Donald Trump is a DEMOCRAT who is playing both ends against the middle. Do not be fooled.

    • Petronius

      As long as the leading Republican contender is Mitt Romney, then it only stands to reason that Trump figures he’s got a shot.

      It’s true that Romney was governor of Massachusetts, but any jackass can be governor of Massachusetts. We’ve seen that proven time and again. Consequently, the only things Romney brings to the table are his business skills and money. And when it comes to business and money, Trump trumps Romney.

      Romney is a RINO. Although he’s made some moves to the right, he essentially defines the term, “RINO.” He is a former Democrat supporter and independent with no fixed conservative principles, convictions, or allegiance. He has no understanding or appreciation of the Constitution. In his policies he has been all over the place. Heck, he even invented RomneyCare. We certainly could not call him a card-carrying Liberal, but perhaps progressive technocrat, pragmatist, and opportunist would be closer to the mark.

      His greatest hero is his own Liberal RINO father, George Romney, a sore loser who stabbed Barry Goldwater in the back in 1964. Mitt never got over his father’s political defeats by conservatives, and also admires his father’s favorite causes — “civil rights” of the more extreme sort, including forced housing and affirmative action. But also that wonderful, new “civil right” — the right to suppress other people’s culture, behavior, and self-expression whenever you happen to find it personally objectionable. Thus Mitt is bitterly anti-Southern.

      Ranged alongside a guy like Romney, Trump’s gaps don’t seem to matter very much.

    • proreason

      That’s the reaon why I don’t think Romney can get the nomination.

      If by some chance he did get the nomination, he might be able to beat the Moron, but it would be the dirtiest campaign ever waged by the marxists. If Romney started to lead in the polls, the country would suddenly receive an around the clock primer on every stange believe of Mormonism, and many that haven’t been believed in over 100 years…despite, of course, little lenin’s discouragement of such tactics.

  14. proreason

    True conservative is in the eye of the beholder, but most people would say that Caine, Bachman, and Santorium are pretty conservative as well. If you stretch the field to people who probably won’t run, add Rubio, West, Perry, Jindal, Demint and Rand Paul.

    The point is that there are a lot of conservatives to choose from. And the entire field is conservative if compared to even the furthest right Democrat.

    • Petronius

      As you say, pro, the entire field is conservative in comparison to Democrats.

      Because special interests have such a strong grip on American politicians of both parties, I find that I often have to be a one-issue or two-issue voter. I use immigration and the 2d Amendment as litmus tests for conservative candidates. Immigration is not only an important stand-alone issue (national sovereignty, border defense, rule of law, drug trafficking and crime), but it is also a major contributing factor for other issues — ObamaCare, jobs and the economy, sub-prime mortgages, domestic terrorism, multiculturalism and growth of radical special interests, social welfare spending, public debt, welfare dependency, education, State bankruptcies, bankrupt cities, hospital bankruptcies and emergency room chaos, taxes, environment, and defense of Constitution and traditional American values.

      According to NumbersUSA, only a few of the current Republican candidates get passing grades on immigration : Bachmann (B-), Pawlenty (C+), Ron Paul (C-), and possibly Cain (D+). Palin (D-) has been hard to pin down, says she’s against “amnesty,” but she would support amnesty by another name (“path to citizenship”). Some candidates — Romney (D), Gingrich (D-), and Bolton (NR) — actually support increases in immigration. But by way of comparison to the entire Republican field, Nerobama is abysmal (F-).

      http://www.numbersusa.com/cont.....ances.html

  15. Liberals Demise

    The ‘Donalds’ hairline has had MORE jobs than dingleBarry ever did!
    So has everyone on else looking for the nod.

  16. canary

    I think if Sarah ran, the Trump would get the blunt of scrutiny. Add Charlie Rangel to list of supposed donors.
    Insane how liberals are so mean. Romney dinky state and a global greener.

    Obama danced on talk show during campaign and bragged he could dance better than John McCain.
    I would think the spoiled pampered life of Obama pretending he suffered, missed out that he finally met a real modern day person who truly was tortured in a gruesome, obscene horrific manner by head choppers.
    snif snif. Obama considers a paper-cut torture. And then making fun of a Special Olympic bowler. Laughing and joking on TV about the New Yorkers he scared flying his jet around the Statue of Liberty.
    Whoever runs needs to afford to take full page adds, hour commericals pounding the puke Obama.

    And I love Glenn Beck. I know he will work helping the conservatives with his heart, soul, and enormous intelligence. Imagine Beck, when he doesn’t have to appease FOX guidelines.




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