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Poll: Tax Rich To Pay For Obama-Care

From a relentless Associated Press:

AP POLL: Tax the rich to pay for health bill

By Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – When it comes to paying for a health care overhaul, Americans see just one way to go: Tax the rich.

That finding from a new Associated Press poll will be welcome news for House Democrats, who proposed doing just that in their sweeping remake of the U.S. medical system, which passed earlier this month and would extend coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

The poll, conducted by Stanford University with the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, found participants sour on other ways of paying for the health overhaul that is being considered in Congress, including taxing insurers on high-value coverage packages derided by President Barack Obama and Democrats as "Cadillac plans."

That approach is being weighed in the Senate. It is one of the few proposals in any congressional legislation that analysts say would help reduce the nation’s health expenditures, but it has come under fire from organized labor and has little support in the House.

Lawmakers also are looking at levying new taxes on insurance companies, drug companies and medical device makers. But the only approach that got majority support in the AP poll was a tax on upper-income Americans.

The House bill would impose a 5.4 percent income tax surcharge on individuals making more than $500,000 a year and households making more than $1 million.

The poll tested views on an even more punitive taxation scheme that was under consideration earlier, when the tax would have hit people making more than $250,000 a year. Even at that level the poll showed majority support, with 57 percent in favor and 36 percent opposed.

"You know, I mean, why not? If they have that much money, it should be taxed," said Mary Pat Rondthaler, 60, of Menlo Park, Calif. "It isn’t the same way that the guy making $21,000 is." …

With lawmakers searching for new revenue sources to pay for their overhaul legislation, upper-income taxes may be increasingly gaining favor.

Legislation passed by Senate committees did not go that route, but now Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has a free hand in merging two committee-passed bills, is considering raising the payroll tax that goes to Medicare on income above $250,000 a year, officials told The Associated Press last week. Current law sets the tax at 1.45 percent of income, an amount matched by employers.

The Senate Finance Committee bill would tax health insurance plans costing more than $8,000 annually for individuals and $21,000 for families, although those numbers could rise. Union members are lined up against that approach because they fear their benefits could be hurt, and the public doesn’t like it either, the AP poll found. Fifty-six percent were opposed and only 29 percent in favor.

Other payment methods being contemplated on Capitol Hill also met with disapproval. Participants in the poll didn’t support new taxes on medical device makers, drug companies or even insurers — even though they said in response to different questions that drug companies and insurance companies made too much money.

Forty-eight percent in the poll were opposed to new taxes on insurance companies, and 42 percent were in support. Fifty-one percent opposed raising taxes on drug and device makers, while 41 percent supported that approach.

But 72 percent of people polled said insurance companies made too much profit, compared with 23 percent who said they made about the right amount of profit. And 74 percent said drug companies made too much profit, versus 21 percent who said they made about the right amount of profit.

People who told pollsters they generally supported Congress’ health care overhaul plan were also more receptive to new taxes to pay for it. Taxing health care companies, drug companies and equipment manufacturers eked out majority support from that group…

The poll was based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,502 adults from Oct. 29 to Nov. 8. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. The interviews were conducted by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media. Stanford University’s participation was made possible by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which conducts research on all facets of the health care system.

What a convenient “poll”!

When it comes to paying for a health care overhaul, Americans see just one way to go: Tax the rich. That finding from a new Associated Press poll will be welcome news for House Democrats, who proposed doing just that in their sweeping remake of the U.S. medical system, which passed earlier this month and would extend coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

This may be welcome news for the House Democrats, but this poll was created for the sole purpose of to encouraging the Senate Democrats to jump off the cliff as well.

Speaking of which, notice how the headline claims that it is an Associated Press poll. But in the article we learn that it is actually the product of Stanford University and the “nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.” (Which, ironically, is funded by Big Pharma, Johnson & Johnson.)

And, moreover, “Stanford University’s participation was made possible by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which conducts research on all facets of the health care system.”

So since this is a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation poll, perhaps we should look at their ‘mission page’: 

Coverage

By developing policies and programs to expand health coverage and maximize enrollment in existing coverage programs, we are working to ensure that everyone in America has stable, affordable health care coverage.

And they then helpfully spell out how they mean to accomplish this:

Our strategy

Americans’ lack of meaningful access to affordable and stable health care coverage has been a central concern of the Foundation since its inception 35 years ago. 

  • According to the U.S. Census Bureau, today nearly 46 million Americans, including 9 million children, are uninsured, and the problem is growing. 
  • Having a job, even a full-time job, doesn’t necessarily guarantee coverage. In fact, eight out of 10 uninsured Americans are in working families.

In light of an evolving environment and promising opportunities, we are working in several areas to accomplish our goal of ensuring that everyone in America has affordable and stable health care coverage.

Increasing Enrollment in Coverage Programs. Ensuring coverage for all children and low-income adults is a first step toward achieving coverage for everyone.

RWJF has helped make both the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and Medicaid easier for families to access and understand through our Covering Kids & Families initiative. An estimated seven out of 10 uninsured children are eligible for these programs, and we will continue efforts to ensure that all eligible individuals are enrolled.

Supporting Private/Public Expansions. Increased coverage can be achieved by promoting expansions of coverage in the public and private sectors. This includes encouraging state and federal expansion efforts and encouraging employers and health plans to expand opportunities for private insurance.

We commissioned the State Health Access Data Assistance Center (SHADAC), located at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health, to develop a comprehensive state-by-state analysis on children’s access to health insurance. This analysis underscores that working parents who earn modest incomes are experiencing dramatic erosion in employer benefits; making it ever harder to obtain adequate health services for themselves and their families. Whose Kids are Covered: A State-by-State Look at Uninsured Children

Maintaining Opinion Leader Support for Expanded Coverage. Because we believe that reaching the goal of affordable and stable health care will require changes in public policy, we will work to build and sustain broad-based support for change. This includes building support among opinion makers, policy-makers, grassroots advocates, the business community and the engaged public.  

Conducting Research and Analysis on Factors that Affect Availability of Affordable, Stable Coverage. We are particularly interested in commissioning, conducting and disseminating innovative research and policy analysis that will reveal the fundamental barriers to achieving affordable and stable health care coverage for all, including the rapidly rising cost of care and the structural features of private health insurance markets. We are now focusing more specifically on states, and are supporting research and evaluation initiatives that will identify the effective coverage strategies that will inform state and federal action.

This is what the AP means by “nonpartisan.”

Maintaining Opinion Leader Support for Expanded Coverage. Because we believe that reaching the goal of affordable and stable health care will require changes in public policy, we will work to build and sustain broad-based support for change. This includes building support among opinion makers, policy-makers, grassroots advocates, the business community and the engaged public. 

And this is why they do push polls.

Conducting Research and Analysis on Factors that Affect Availability of Affordable, Stable Coverage. We are particularly interested in commissioning, conducting and disseminating innovative research and policy analysis that will reveal the fundamental barriers to achieving affordable and stable health care coverage for all, including the rapidly rising cost of care and the structural features of private health insurance markets.

Here their “innovative research” has found that the way to overcome the fundamental barrier of healthcare for all is to tax the rich.

Which, oddly enough, is the liberal solution to every problem.

But this ‘nonpartisan’ poll is how our media masters propagandize to us day in and day out.

This article was posted by Steve on Tuesday, November 17th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

17 Responses to “Poll: Tax Rich To Pay For Obama-Care”

  1. Petronius says:

    The hatred of the Liberal robber gangs has no limits. The hatred, envy, resentment, and rebellion of the Left toward all those who have turned out well. Toward the industrious, the prudent, the successful, toward the healthy, the decent, and the beautiful, toward our military heroes, toward our professional men and women of knowledge, toward all of those who have the will to self-responsibility, the will to exert themselves and make themselves useful and productive members of society –– for them the Left reserves its most bitter venom.

  2. proreason says:

    Envy is the most powerful emotion of all.

    Lust, obviously, is more intense. But it is transient, and easily satisfied. Even teenagers know how to do it.

    Love is powerful, but the natural course of life inevitably dimishes its power as the lover gradually learns more disheartening details about the object of his affection.

    Hate is also intense, but again, one eventually learns that the hated object has sides that are not so hateful.

    But envy never goes away. Perhaps the envied party has other attributes, but the reason for the envy remains. Once stoked to a fever pitch, nothing can satiate envy, because there is always someone else who has something else the envious craves. Always.

    And nobody is better at stoking the flame than the fascists. Envy is the cornerstone of their strategy of absolute power.

    And the facists themselves are the real beneficiaries of the passiion.

  3. David says:

    Perhaps I’m crazy but I was wondering if the forced inflation created by this Administration in the name of “stimulus” is related to their mantra of tax the rich. When wages are readjusted for inflation people get paid more money but that money is worth less. Are these $250K numbers static? How long of this inflation rate until $250k is a standard middle America income?

    • proreason says:

      The coming inflation will do four things the facists find useful:

      – It’s a massive tax. They won’t call it so, but it will be a crushing tax on people with fixed income.
      – The economy will be wrecked. Inflation destroyed the Weimer Republic and many other countries.
      – When the economy is destroyed, our military power will collapse and we will become one of the 7 dwarfs.
      – Then the Constitution can be shredded to complete the coup and consolidate total power in the fascist’s hands..

      After that, they can do the normal Politburo things. Purges, total wealth siezure, thought control, secret police, etc.

      And oh yes, they can live like the emperors they crave to be, with confidence that no one on earth can depose them.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Well, there’s one thing they haven’t considered. I cannot speak of it here.

  4. beautyofreason says:

    Goody. There goes my father’s private business. It makes over $250,000 per year but make no mistake, he is middle class and a big chunk of earnings go to support 6 wonderful employees. These taxes will hit him and the staff hard.

    And by the way – he’s a doctor and has promised to retire his practice if the country turns to socialized health care. As have many practitioners.

    Isn’t universal health care splendid for all?

    I am tired of liberals expecting massive financial support from people making above a certain bracket of income each year. Who has the right to steal the earnings of one man and redistribute it to another, save for necessary government functions?

    There is apparently no excuse for success and it must be punished.

    • proreason says:

      At least one poll has 40% of physicians saying they will retire if faced with ObamyPelosCare.

      That number is probably high. What will they do? Flip burgers?

      But still, many will retire, probably a majority of those in their mid 50’s and older.

      That will be nothing short of a national calamity. Many times worse than 9/11 or Katrina, or the new national calamity….profits.

      Liberalism, of course, holds that doctors have no special skills. Nobody does. It’s all a just a matter of opportunity and training.

      We will backfill the ranks of doctors with Acorn staffers who will have finally been given the opportunities they deserve.

  5. wardmama4 says:

    -“You know, I mean, why not? If they have that much money, it should be taxed”- It is not fair – the only truly fair thing tax wise would be – a flat tax -every single person pays the exact same rate no matter how little nor how much they make. No IRS, no loopholes, no deductions, no gazillion pages/forms and Rangel, Geithner et al would be facing (and paying) the piper just as you and I would.

    Bill – You did not go all Joe the Plumber on her – you simply did what any decent reporter/journalist should do – investigate, connect the dots and expose for the public news consumption the lies and distortions. You did not invade her private records via a public official.

    And yes in NY and CA – the cost of what I live in – would be huge beside the amount we paid (and that I consider extortion already) – and in CA (I have too many friends out there) it is taken as normal – and they see themselves as just struggling middle America – my a**.

  6. GL0120 says:

    At first, she offered her home to her Canada College space-planning classmates, to be used as a hands-on experience for beginning designers. Killoran gathered those ideas, which were presented in class, then set to work melding contemporary solutions to a turn-of-the-last-century home.

    How much do you suppose her and her husband saved by not hiring a professional designer?
    She could have helped save a job.
    Sounds like she owes her classmates payment for designing her kitchen!
    Somehow I doubt that she’ll see the light and offer to pay her classmates though, liberals like to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

  7. MinnesotaRush says:

    “When it comes to paying for a health care overhaul, Americans see just one way to go: Tax the rich.”

    Well then .. I wonder if Oprah, Demi and her boy toy, most of Hollywierd, the majority of the sports folks, the criminals working/worked at Fanny & Freddy, etc, etc, etc got the dem memo.

  8. Reality Bytes says:

    Give or take a few million in net worth:

    The Pelosi’s = $450 million
    The Kerry’s = $165 million
    The Lautenberg’s = $130 million
    The Soro’s = $9 Billyone

    Do I need to go on? As John Kemp used to say, “let me let you in on a little secret. The rich already have money & they’re rich because they know how to hold onto it.” Pelosi et al pay somewhere around $400-800 AN HR for tax attorneys who will shield they’re income while they reach down into the pocket of who THEY SAY ARE RICH.

    Yup, that be us folks. Like I said before, we went to war with Britain over much less.

  9. Mae says:

    Let’s see: The Caribbean islands, Mexico, all of Central America, many in South America, most in the former Soviet Union–countries which would be more than happy to have every wealthy retired person in America and every wealthy businessman willing to move his company, as new citizens. What’s to prevent every rich guy and gal from leaving Obummer high and dry with no one left to fund all his programs? Who’d be left? Oh, yeah, Michael Moore.

    Man, if I had the money I would be so outta here.

    • Reality Bytes says:

      “What’s to prevent every righ guy from leaving Obummer high & dry?”

      You’re forgetting the Iron Curtain. Perhaps Obama is leaving that for his second term. Imagine the reasoning.

      “The rich made their money here. We’re not just gonna let them walk out.”

      The possibilities boggle the mind.

  10. caligirl9 says:

    She also no doubt got a nice little tax deduction out of it for “donating” her house to be use as a lab. No liberal in the Bay Area does anything out of the goodness of his or her heart.

  11. Chuckk says:

    Why don’t we take all money from all millionaires to give to the poor, and the Washington based program administrators. We can start with the members of Congress.

  12. Georgfelis says:

    Pardon me, but when did I wind up in DC Comics Bizzaroworld? Prices are too high on drugs, so we’re going to tax the drug companies. Prices are too high on insurance, so we’re going to tax the insurance companies. Prices are too high on medical devices so we’re going to tax the device industry. And so on and so forth.

    Seems as if the Dems are using most of the Seven Deadly Sins as a basis for their health reform plans. Envy/Greed: “look at those rich people over there, we should take their money, for you and the children of course.” Pride: “Look at all the good we are doing the country” Sloth: “and you won’t have to do a thing to get this great health care, the Government will take care of it all” Gluttony: “Fat people are the cause of all our health care woes, all we need to do is tax them (not you maam, the tubbo behind you) and it will cure our problems” Wrath: “Evil Republican racist sexist homophobes doth stand in our way, speaking great lies about our plans, because they want you to die! Go forth and smite them!”

    Only one missing is Lust, and that will probably have to wait until they find a replacement for Sen. Kennedy.

  13. But given that the pay czar will slash the “excessive” salaries of CEOs and other executives, who will the “rich” be?

    Oh…

    The middle class…


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