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Muslims Praise Pope For Praying Towards Mecca

From those defenders of the faith at Reuters:

Pope Benedict XVI visits the Blue Mosque shoeless in Istanbul. Pope Benedict XVI, in an exceptional gesture, turned towards Mecca for a moment of meditation in an attitude of Muslim prayer at the Blue Mosque, the third day of his eventful visit to Turkey.

Pope hailed for praying toward Mecca like Muslims

Fri Dec 1, 2006

By Philip Pullella and Tom Heneghan

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Pope Benedict ended a sensitive, fence-mending visit to Turkey on Friday amid praise for visiting Istanbul’s famed Blue Mosque and praying there facing toward Mecca "like Muslims".

The Pope, who sparked protests across the Muslim world with a speech two months ago seen as criticizing Islam, looked relaxed and pleased as he entered the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit for a mass at the end of the four-day trip.

His first visit to a mostly Muslim country, held under tight security for fear of protests by nationalists and Islamists, was highlighted by a series of conciliatory gestures culminating in a stop on Thursday afternoon in Istanbul’s famed Blue Mosque.

Istanbul Grand Mufti Mustafa Cagrici, who prayed with him there, said Benedict had faced Mecca and stood like Muslims do when they pray aright. "These were very nice gestures," he told NTV television.

"The Pope’s dreaded visit was concluded with a wonderful surprise," wrote daily Aksam on its front page. "In Sultan Ahmet Mosque, he turned toward Mecca and prayed like Muslims," the popular daily Hurriyet said, using the building’s official name.

Just before leaving, Benedict said he hoped his visit was seen as "a sign of friendship between religions" that helps bring countries and cultures closer together.

His gestures, including support for Ankara’s bid to join the European Union and praise for Islam as a peaceful faith, seem to have persuaded the Turks to move beyond the tension following his speech quoting a Byzantine emperor as calling Islam violent.

But in Islam’s Middle Eastern heartland, Arab commentators still call for Benedict to issue a full apology for his speech. Shocked by the protests it triggered, the Pope has said he did not agree with the controversial quote but has not apologized.

Catholic officials also presented the mosque visit as a key moment of reconciliation.

"I would compare the Pope’s visit to the mosque to Pope John Paul’s gestures at the Western Wall," said veteran Vatican mediator Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, referring to Pope John Paul II’s prayers at Jerusalem’s Western Wall in 2000.

"Yesterday, Benedict did with the Muslims what John Paul did with the Jews."

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Benedict told Istanbul Governor Muammer Guler at the city’s airport before leaving for Rome that his visit to the Blue Mosque and the nearby Aya Sofya museum, once a Christian church and then a mosque, had "left a lasting impression" on him.

"A part of my heart stays here in Istanbul," he said, describing the city as "profoundly European" and a bridge between Europe and Asia. "I hope (my visit) "has the effect of bringing structures and civilizations progressively closer."

The trip brought out the diplomat in the theologian who was expected to take a tougher stand on Islam than his more outgoing predecessor John Paul.

Benedict did press during the trip for more freedom of religion in Turkey and by extension in other mostly Muslim countries, but not in the confrontational way some Church officials expected after he was elected Pope in April 2005.

About 30,000 of Turkey’s 100,000 Christians are Roman Catholic, mostly living in Istanbul and Izmir.

What a beautiful thing.

Maybe they won’t kill him.

On this trip.

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23 Responses to “Muslims Praise Pope For Praying Towards Mecca”

  1. englishqueen01

    I am disappointed that he did this.

    We are CATHOLIC. We are not Muslim. We are not willing to alter our faith to meet the demands of Islam. When JPII kissed the Koran, and now with Benedict praying toward Mecca, it sets a bad precident: Catholics don’t hold their faith in high regard, and we are willing to compromise.

    Would a Muslim kneel before the Eucharist? Would he make the Sign of the Cross? Would he do any of the things that makes one Catholic in order to create diplomatic ties?

    I doubt it.

  2. wampaku40

    Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    As far as I know, God does not live in Mecca.

    Meaningless gestures, I would imagine to most Christians; Muslims can make of them what they want. Precedent setting? Surrender? Not sure I would call them that dire, but one does wonder about why even going so far as to make the gesture. Let those in your presence who are Muslim do what they do, without comment, sermon or apparent disapproval, and then do what you do, keeping with your ways…..doesn’t seem to me he had to do any of it, but he did, and I don’t know that it is a big deal.

  3. doingwhatican

    Traditionally, Catholic altars face east toward the rising sun.

    Christians have been praying towards the east for 2000 years. Many churches are oriented so the faithful face east from which Christ will return.

    In Christianity, all prayers go up.

  4. wampaku40

    Just like I don’t think God takes much notice of football games or listens to prayers for the home team to win, I doubt He takes much notice of which direction someone faces when praying. I think I recall the suggestion to pray in ones closets, and in ones fields, and over ones flocks and to carry a prayer in our heart whenever we can…..might make traffic and movement difficult if we all had to face the same way all the time. Yes, I understand symbolism and the importance of reverence, but facing a certain direction is a symbolic gesture and not a saving doctrine or defined principle. I am more likely to be wary and careful not to be bound down by too many human-created rituals that limit the mind and heart and listening ear. Just my $0.02.

  5. Warmonger Infidel

    wamp…..thank you. Everytime I see some baseball player make the sign of the cross before stepping into the batter’s box I want to kick him square in the ass. Same for the idiots giving interviews after the games saying they won because they are “blessed” or some such bullshit. Doesn’t that indicate the other team “wasn’t” blessed? I’m of the belief that whatever goes on between an individual and their “God”, whomever he or she may be, should be private. It’s what is in a persons heart and mind that’s important, not in their public displays of reverence or worship.

  6. Lyn Wilson

    Well I guess I’m less concerned about the “gesture” then I am about what it accomplishes. I understand that when we enter another person’s place of worship we should show respect, and of course saying a prayer is a “good thing”. I saw a story on the news where the Pope had to practice not using any “Christian” gestures. So what did that accomplish? It showed that the Pope was willing to go into a Mosque to show respect for the traditions of that setting. But what did it teach the Muslim’s who worship there? Would the Grand Mufti Mustafa Cagrici enter a Catholic or Protestant church and pray “like a Christian”. If they aren’t willing to show the same respect for the Christians who live in Turkey and allow them to worship freely then I doubt the Pope’s “restraint” in not using Christian gestures and praying “like a Muslim” accomplished anything.

  7. spelunker

    WI,
    Amen.

  8. spelunker

    EQ,
    Not that I have much reason to defend catholicism, but the Pope showed he was the bigger man..when in Rome. He practices what he preaches.

    Also, new book out you may enjoy, “The Last Templar”.

  9. wampaku40

    I recognise the teaching in many protestant faiths to praise the lord and to let our actions glorify him. I should be more willing to show those things in my life (though in a govt setting that is pretty frowned upon) but I agree that the athletes go waaaaay too far, and it become more of a spectacle, and an in-your-face thing, almost haughty when some do it, and does not really need doing if the thoughts are in your heart. There are levels to wearing something of which you are either proud or involved with on your sleeve, but these public displays become so commonplace so as to remove much meaning.

  10. rakkasan

    Muslims seek prayer room at airport

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....rayer_room

    Just great. I can’t get into a taxi with a bottle of wine, and now they get their own special space. Damnit, stop allowing immigration from Muslim countries.

  11. 1sttofight

    They can pray in the fricking parking lot. nuf said.

    And if I happen to be driving by too Frigging bad.

  12. wirenut

    rakkasan… What’s next jinn-less bathrooms??? OH MY!

  13. Warmonger Infidel

    The link posted by rakkasan should scare the hell out of everyone. This describes in detail the islamafication of America. The airport officials are going to visit a mosque to ensure there is solid understanding? The only thing we have to understand is the true believers want to destroy us. What don’t they understand about that?

  14. Professor_Repulso

    They have the momentum, the lead, and the ball. What’s going to stop them? Maybe tripping over the innumerable PC suckasses that are paving the way for them? “Most Americans no longer read or research history. Most are deeply in debt. What waking free moments they have are spent in front of the tube, sports, or the movies. The only thing that will wake Americans up is a devastating attack on American soil or a collapse of the usury economy. Go visit the largest gun show in Denver some time. Then look around and remember what you see. Ninety percent of the attendees are of what race? They are getting prepared.”

  15. studmuffin

    I’m going to step up and defend the athletes who make religious gestures in the course of competition. Professional athletes make their living by competing. The game may just be entertainment for the rest of us, but for them it is their livelihood. I’m sure most people have prayed before crucial meetings and other pivotal moments in their careers. And furthermore, a lot of Christian athletes (including me) believe that God put us on earth with a purpose, and that part of that purpose is to develop the athletic gifts he has given us. And I can honestly say that I have been brought closer to God through my own training than anything else I have ever done (that sounds really cliche upon re-reading it, but it is still true). And also, when a reporter asks a football player how winning a big game feels, and he just replies, “I give all the glory to God,” (like my boy Colt McCoy), it is both humble and countercultural. Athletes who consistently downplay their own achievements to praise their teammates are often called “classy.” The ones who reserve that praise for God deserve our respect and admiration. May we all have such focus in our own careers.

  16. doingwhatican

    Muslims seek prayer room at airport

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....emoved_pra y

    Thanks, rakkasan.

    They already have them in every airport. They’re labeled “MEN”. Hope they don’t mind the occasional “splash” they might experience while on the floor.

    It’s an airport, not a place of worship. Where have these muslims been until now? Did they just become “born again ragheads”?

    As we Americans give in to every demand the muslims make, this gives them the perfect, private place to pray….and finalize plans.

  17. sheehanjihad

    I am going to counter sue and demand a room at the airport where I can stand, sit, or jump up and down giving everyone the finger, calling muslims muslims, screaming about how stupid our securtity people are, and in general, a place where I can be me. No PC assholes allowed, no religious sniveling, no offended buttwipes, no activists, no anyone.

    An area where people can relax, and not be harassed by everyone who for whatever reason needs to keep saying “lookee me! lookee me!! Hey!! I am here! Notice me~!!”. I am so sick of this crap I could hurl…leave me the hell alone….go kill yourself some the hell where else.

  18. rakkasan

    I thought airports were a place to get on airplanes.

  19. sheehanjihad

    Well ya see Rak….that used to be the case. But now, Muslims have gotten the idea that they make a wonderful place to set up the destruction of airplanes full of people! They are upset that our sensitivity to death makes most of us point them out as they prepare to kill and die, so they know the PC crowd’s elected talking heads will do anything to appease them.

    What better place to solidify the jihad suicide pact than the “prayer room”? Dont think for one second there will be any infidels allowed in it, oh hell no. It will be “off limits”, no cameras, no anything, and they will have a safe room to plot or plan, or get the explosives hidden in the appropriate container. Then, they can stride out, safe in the knowlege that Airport security and PC addicts have given them a free pass to murder at will.

    Airport? We best begin calling it “muslim stock yard” where infidels are herded into a confined space, led up ramps, and stuffed into a long aluminum tube and then murdered with explosives. The political correct among us will applaud our willingness to die rather than profile. But, as is with most of these folks….the PC wont be flying….they know better.

  20. Warmonger Infidel

    “And also, when a reporter asks a football player how winning a big game feels, and he just replies, “I give all the glory to God,” (like my boy Colt McCoy), it is both humble and countercultural.”

    Sudmuffin: We will have to agree to disagree on this. You see, I don’t believe God gives a crap about a football, baseball or any other kind of ball game. I don’t believe he gives a crap about how any individual athelete performs in these games. I believe he has much more on his plate than games. Athletes that perform to a high level do so because of hard work and a desire to excel in whatever they are doing. Adding God to the equation just sends a messege to me and many others that the outcome may be decided, one way or the other, because you said a prayer before the game. If you believe those with a strong and very public faith in God have an advantage for good things to happen, then explain to me how these same people also have very terrible things happen to them after the same prayers….i.e., KIAs in war, murder of their loved ones, etc. I could get much deeper into this,. but I won’t. Suffice it to say, my belief is peopless relationship with God is personal and public demonstrations such as athletes giving “praise” because they won a game is inappropriate. BTW, when is the last time you saw one of these same athletes giving “praise” for losing?

  21. Warmonger Infidel

    sj: I’m going for indoor shooting ranges open to only non-mooselimbs. Geeze, this whole idea that we must give mooselimbs everything and anything they want, just to be PC is crazy. Especially at an airport…..especially people who used airports to kill 3000 of our citizens and residents.

  22. wampaku40

    WI,
    I agree completely. While I agree with Studly that performing on the field/court is their job, and that there is nothing insincere or wrong prayers beforehand to help them perform to their best prepared ability, I do not believe for an instant that God counts how many players, coaches or fans on one side pray before, during or after, and then doles out rewards and assistance this week or next based on their piety score. Their doing so when they know full well the cameras are on them, and only when they have shoved it in the other guy’s face first does not give me any warm fuzzies about their humility or acknowledgements (other than that they are working after the score for points with mom, the girlfriend, or the cheerleaders.) Christ mentioned somewhat critically those that pray (or mourn, or that give charitably) in public to be seen vs those that do so in quiet, reverent and perhaps even inconvenient times….. I side with WI in that this is grandstanding and not true humble thanks and recognition.

  23. artboyusa

    “Pope gives Muslims a lesson in courtesy, respect” - that’s the real story. They need one, too.


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