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Sarkozy Tells Congress ‘France Loves America’

From France’s AFP:

‘We love America,’ Sarkozy tells Congress

by Philippe Alfroy
French President Nicolas Sarkozy hailed the friendship between France and the United States and paid tribute to American sacrifices in World War II, in a rare address Wednesday to the US Congress.
“Since the United States first appeared on the world scene, our two peoples, the French and the American people, have always been friends,” Sarkozy said, as he emphatically drew a veil on years of cross-Atlantic tensions sparked by the Iraq war.
He received lengthy and warm applause as he arrived for a joint session of the Senate and the House of Representatives, and his address was met by several standing ovations as he heaped praise on the United States.
“We may have differences, we may disagree on things, we may even have arguments, as in many families,” he said, “but in times of difficulty, in times of hardship, one stands true to one’s friends, one stands shoulder to shoulder with them, one supports them, and one helps them.” …
Sarkozy was speaking a day after arriving in Washington for his first official visit since his election in May, and received an effusive welcome from President George W. Bush at an exclusive reception.
French-US ties soured under Sarkozy’s predecessor Jacques Chirac who firmly opposed the war in Iraq and the US-led invasion in 2003.
But Sarkozy, who is often called “Sarko the American” is one of the most pro-US French leaders in decades and clearly aims to show Bush and the Americans that France has turned a page on the past.
“The United States and France remain true to the memory of their common history,” he told Congress.
“Our duty is to remain true to the blood spilled by our children on both sides of the Atlantic in common battles.
“France will never forget the sacrifice of your children,” Sarkozy said, referring to the arrival of American troops on the beaches of Normandy to liberate the France from the Nazi occupation in World War II.
“At a time when my country had reached the final limits of its strengths, the time when France was exhausted, had spent its strength in the most absurd and bloodiest of wars,” the French leader said, “France was able to count upon the courage of American soldiers and I have come to say to you on behalf of the French people that never, never will we forget that.”
And he told US lawmakers that France would stay the course in Afghanistan.
“And let me tell you solemnly today, France will remain engaged in Afghanistan for as long as it takes, because what is at stake in that country is the very future of our values, and that of the Atlantic alliance.” …
The French leader reiterated on Wednesday his strong support of the US drive to deprive Iran of atomic weapons, saying to applause that “the prospect of a nuclear-armed is unacceptable to France.”
“The Iranian people are a great people,” he said. “They deserve better than the sanctions and growing isolation their leaders are condemning them to.”
“Iran must be persuaded to choose the option of cooperation, dialogue and openness … we will be firm and we will keep up the dialogue,” he said…

You know this must be killing all of the lefties, like Nancy Pelosi, who think they are being so Euro-chic in their rabid hatred of the US.

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40 Responses to “Sarkozy Tells Congress ‘France Loves America’”

artboyusa
November 7th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Vive La France! Vive Sarkozy!
texaspsue
November 7th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
In your face Soros! Sarkozy says France loves America and Freedom! Also, I wonder how/if the MSM is going to spin this now that France is America’s ally in the “War on Terrorism”. ( I watched his speech on CSPAN and found it very heartwarming!)

My Dad has always been very grateful to the people of France. In WWII the French Resistance helped him after his plane was shot down. For four months, the brave people of the FR hid my Dad from the enemy, risking their own lives moving him by night, until he reached an American base camp! (He has a great WWII story. He was 1 of 2 that survived that mission. I have recently been putting the finishing touches on the whole account.)

I agree Artboy, Vive La France! Vive Sarkozy!
jewells45
November 7th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Oh God, if I could kiss him right now, I would!! The dems had to be squirming.
Sharps Rifle
November 7th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Notice how revolted the Grand Dragon looks…I guess ol’ Byrd can’t accept that someone might like this country.

Pelosi just looks like she has gas…
wardmama4
November 7th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Sharps I disagree - I think ole Pelosi looks like - damn how are we going to keep up that the World hates us crapline, oops talking point after the ’stupid’ masses hear this drivel!

Wow - let’s see now - in a brief 6 years -
The Taliban (rigid religious faction running a state) has been overthrown
al-Gaddafi folded faster than a bad poker hand on WMD after the Iraq Invasion (and the left claims we found no WMD)
Iraq regime of murder, ethnic cleansing, rape and other mayhem (including state sponsored terrorism in Palestine) was overthrown and the master dictator and sons are dead.
NoKo might be undoing it’s nuke program
Germany threw out it’s anti-American left leaning Leader
France threw out it’s anti-American left leaning Leader
Sweden - after what - 89 years - elected a conservative government
and
America’s economy is up, un-employment is down, interest rates are down, and taxes were cut.

All-in-all I think GWB will have a good legacy.

Once the prattling and pandering leftists follow Dennis ‘Impeach ‘Em’ Kucinich off the cliff - gotta love those Dems - the second it appears on the floor and gets voted on - they whiff another one and send it into obscurity - I bet that the moonbats and Code Pinkos are truly foaming at the mouths.
kaptivate
November 7th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
You people are deluded. Iraq is lost. Afghanistan is tottering, Pakistan is in upheaval. All this because Bush both lied us into a
war for big oil and Israel and blundered strategically in pulling off the crime. I speak as a Buchanan America First conservative
who recognizes America’s problems at home are legion and will only grow if it tries to keep the meddling Empire it has
created.

Sarkozy-the man had better keep his pro-Israeli inclinations in line or his problems at home will also burgeon. He’d
better be “France First” and independent of America’s doomed orbit.

I could go for a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich ticket. Or the reverse. But Hillary will probably win. Know the only way she could have been elected?
A no-win war or a pronounced recession heralding her run. Bush gave her the former and you war-approvers might as well greet her
incipient socialism as best you can. And say goodbye to the Southwest if she gets her way on immigration.
SG
November 7th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
“I could go for a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich ticket. Or the reverse.”

Gee, that’s a shock.
BillK
November 7th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
I guess we can eat French Fries and French bread again. :-)

To take kaptivate’s comments and relate them to the topic at hand, there were many who thought (and still think) that FDR lied to get us into World War II, and (to quote the loon in my favorite film, Best Years of our Lives) “for what?”

For most of the war it looked as if the Pacific were lost to the Japanese. The Axis powers had overrun most of Europe, England was under constant V2 attack, and frankly the mere idea of a landing on the French cost was laughed at by Allied planners.

Yet, the Axis was broken. Germany was defeated, despite a last minute desperation attack that caused great numbers of American casualties at a time it looked like we had things in Europe turned around.

Japan was defeated even though it looked like we would lose millions of American lives in an invasion of the mainland thanks to the scientists at Los Alamos (liberal or not) and heroes like Paul Tibbets, RIP.

But no, it’s much better to hide one’s head in the sand, say things are over and blame it all on Bush and Israel.

Sorry, a Buchanan America First isolationism just won’t work in the world today. It’s the political equivalent of closing your eyes and murmuring “I can’t hear you, nya nya nya.”

I’m sure bin Laden and his friends would love that.
WB
November 7th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
BillK:

Well put…
Sharps Rifle
November 7th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
“I could go for a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich ticket. Or the reverse. “

I see it’s moonbat season again…
Gila Monster
November 7th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Interesting opinions Kaptivate, and like SG, your choice of candidates surprises me not in the least.

I have a few questions for you, if you don’t mind, so I can better understand your position as a “Buchanan America First Conservative”.

1) You claim a war for oil in Iraq, so what windfall of oil is the US now enjoying?

2) You claim the Iraq war was for the benefit of Israel, please explain your claim?

3) You claim the Iraq war is lost, specifically what is your basis for such a conclusion?

4) In your opinion, what are the root causes for the upheveal in Pakistan?

Many more come to mind but let us start with those, if you don’t mind.
ATLien
November 7th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
Great time to start drinking Goose again, I am getting sick of Kettle 1
platypus
November 7th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
What is it called when the reality that is right in front of one’s eyes is denied?

I think it’s hallucinations.

The moonbats are so deeply invested into the cult of personality that they have extrapolated the spewings of idiot leaders into a belief that the leaders always speak for the masses.

Leaders speak for the government, not the people. Only in America can it be reasonably said that the government is “of the people” because only our constitution states that in words.

But even here in the greatest nation on earth can we sometimes elect a megalomaniac with a personality disorder, as well as completely lacking paper-training of his sexual urges.

America is NOT B. J. Clinton any more than it is G. W. Bush.

America is generous people who give more than they take and who try to build things rather than destroy things.

And Americans give their lives to make it so, year after year, generation after generation. Long after these moonbats are rotting in their caskets, stories will be told of the true heroes of America.

The dustbin of history is where they will go.
take_no_prisoners
November 7th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Platypus,
What is it called when the reality that is right in front of one’s eyes is denied?

The proper term is delusion. Perfect examples are all the people with Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Gila Monster
November 7th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Hmmm, my simple questions go unanswered. What’s wrong Kaptivate? Is a spirited debate with “deluded” individuals beyond your realm?

Sarkozy’s support of the US is impressive, considering the usual spew we receive from “progressive” Europeans or the UN.
navycopjoe
November 7th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
“I could go for a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich ticket. Or the reverse.”

If it’s to a country far away from the United States I’ll pay for it!
stir crazy
November 7th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Take the pix of San Fran Gran Nan and Sheets Byrd and put it next to SG’s photo of The Royal Deceiver in the Max Cleland article. They all look like they came back from a huge lunch of 2-week old marinated crow with a side of ecoli-laced spinach. Apparently kaptivate had a taste also.
kaptivate
November 7th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Gila Iguana

1.The best laid and worst laid plans go awry. Thanks to the Iraqi resistance. Hope we would in like manner resist an invader.

2.Perle Wolfowitz Feith ,dual loyalists all.Read “The Lobby” by conservatives Mearsheimer and Walt. Google “Phillip Zelikow”
(a Bush official) “Iraq” and “Israel” for confirmation.

3.A corrupt pro-Iranian government (Iraq’s) not capable of transforming into the puppet state planned. A resilient insurgency.
A weary American public,majority of which have no reason to support a quagmire based on what they beleive were lies.Admissions by Petraeus it
would take hundreds of thiousands more to properly squash the insurgency,
properly requiring a draft. Many disillusioned military, rightfully so,drained by entended tours, unprecedented..who are often quoted in the MSM as in the recent NYT piece depicting an entire unit.

4.Musharaff is viewed as an American puppet by large sectors of his populace, both pro-Islamicist and secular.
kaptivate
November 7th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

here is the Zelikow link admitting Israel’s central cause of the war.
DEZ
November 7th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
“If it’s to a country far away from the United States I’ll pay for it!”
Heh, Now thats something I will chip in on Joe.
SG
November 7th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Finally, the transcript.

Of course only a conservative paper like the New York Sun would print it:

Speech by President Sarkozy Before Congress

November 7, 2007

Madam Speaker, Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States Congress, Ladies and Gentlemen,

The state of our friendship and our alliance is strong.

Friendship, first and foremost, means being true to one’s friends. Since the United States first appeared on the world scene, the loyalty between the French and American people has never failed. And far from being weakened by the vicissitudes of History, it has never ceased growing stronger.

Friends may have differences; they may have disagreements; they may have disputes.

But in times of difficulty, in times of hardship, friends stand together, side by side; they support each other; and help one another.

In times of difficulty, in times of hardship, America and France have always stood side by side, supported one another, helped one another, fought for each other’s freedom.

The United States and France remain true to the memory of their common history, true to the blood spilled by their children in common battles. But they are not true merely to the memory of what they accomplished together in the past. They remain true, first and foremost, to the same ideal, the same principles, the same values that have always united them.

The deliberations of your Congress are conducted under the double gaze of Washington and Lafayette. Lafayette, whose 250th birthday we are celebrating this year and who was the first foreign dignitary, in 1824, to address a joint session of Congress. What was it that brought these two men—so far apart in age and background—together, if not their faith in common values, the heritage of the Enlightenment, the same love for freedom and justice?

Upon first meeting Washington, Lafayette told him: “I have come here to learn, not to teach.” It was this new spirit and youth of the Old World seeking out the wisdom of the New World that opened a new era for all of humanity.

From the very beginning, the American dream meant putting into practice the dreams of the Old World.

From the very beginning, the American dream meant proving to all mankind that freedom, justice, human rights and democracy were no utopia but were rather the most realistic policy there is and the most likely to improve the fate of each and every person.

America did not tell the millions of men and women who came from every country in the world and who—with their hands, their intelligence and their heart—built the greatest nation in the world: “Come, and everything will be given to you.” She said: “Come, and the only limits to what you’ll be able to achieve will be your own courage and your own talent.” America embodies this extraordinary ability to grant each and every person a second chance.

Here, both the humblest and most illustrious citizens alike know that nothing is owed to them and that everything has to be earned. That’s what constitutes the moral value of America. America did not teach men the idea of freedom; she taught them how to practice it. And she fought for this freedom whenever she felt it to be threatened somewhere in the world. It was by watching America grow that men and women understood that freedom was possible.

What made America great was her ability to transform her own dream into hope for all mankind.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The men and women of my generation heard their grandparents talk about how in 1917, America saved France at a time when it had reached the final limits of its strength, which it had exhausted in the most absurd and bloodiest of wars.

The men and women of my generation heard their parents talk about how in 1944, America returned to free Europe from the horrifying tyranny that threatened to enslave it.

Fathers took their sons to see the vast cemeteries where, under thousands of white crosses so far from home, thousands of young American soldiers lay who had fallen not to defend their own freedom but the freedom of all others, not to defend their own families, their own homeland, but to defend humanity as a whole.

Fathers took their sons to the beaches where the young men of America had so heroically landed. They read them the admirable letters of farewell that those 20-year-old soldiers had written to their families before the battle to tell them: “We don’t consider ourselves heroes. We want this war to be over. But however much dread we may feel, you can count on us.” Before they landed, Eisenhower told them: “The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.”

And as they listened to their fathers, watched movies, read history books and the letters of soldiers who died on the beaches of Normandy and Provence, as they visited the cemeteries where the star-spangled banner flies, the children of my generation understood that these young Americans, 20 years old, were true heroes to whom they owed the fact that they were free people and not slaves. France will never forget the sacrifice of your children.

To those 20-year-old heroes who gave us everything, to the families of those who never returned, to the children who mourned fathers they barely got a chance to know, I want to express France’s eternal gratitude.

On behalf of my generation, which did not experience war but knows how much it owes to their courage and their sacrifice; on behalf of our children, who must never forget; to all the veterans who are here today and, notably the seven I had the honor to decorate yesterday evening, one of whom, Senator Inouye, belongs to your Congress, I want to express the deep, sincere gratitude of the French people. I want to tell you that whenever an American soldier falls somewhere in the world, I think of what the American army did for France. I think of them and I am sad, as one is sad to lose a member of one’s family.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The men and women of my generation remember the Marshall Plan that allowed their fathers to rebuild a devastated Europe. They remember the Cold War, during which America again stood as the bulwark of the Free World against the threat of new tyranny.

I remember the Berlin crisis and Kennedy who unhesitatingly risked engaging the United States in the most destructive of wars so that Europe could preserve the freedom for which the American people had already sacrificed so much. No one has the right to forget. Forgetting, for a person of my generation, would be tantamount to self-denial.

But my generation did not love America only because she had defended freedom. We also loved her because for us, she embodied what was most audacious about the human adventure; for us, she embodied the spirit of conquest. We loved America because for us, America was a new frontier that was continuously pushed back—a constantly renewed challenge to the inventiveness of the human spirit.

My generation shared all the American dreams. Our imaginations were fueled by the winning of the West and Hollywood. By Elvis Presley, Duke Ellington, Hemingway. By John Wayne, Charlton Heston, Marilyn Monroe, Rita Hayworth. And by Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins, fulfilling mankind’s oldest dream.

What was so extraordinary for us was that through her literature, her cinema and her music, America always seemed to emerge from adversity even greater and stronger; that instead of causing America to doubt herself, such ordeals only strengthened her belief in her values.

What makes America strong is the strength of this ideal that is shared by all Americans and by all those who love her because they love freedom.

America’s strength is not only a material strength, it is first and foremost a spiritual and moral strength. No one expressed this better than a black pastor who asked just one thing of America: that she be true to the ideal in whose name he—the grandson of a slave—felt so deeply American. His name was Martin Luther King. He made America a universal role model.

The world still remembers his words—words of love, dignity and justice. America heard those words and America changed. And the men and women who had doubted America because they no longer recognized her began loving her again.

Fundamentally, what are those who love America asking of her, if not to remain forever true to her founding values?

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Today as in the past, as we stand at the beginning of the 21st century, it is together that we must fight to defend and promote the values and ideals of freedom and democracy that men such as Washington and Lafayette invented together.

Together we must fight against terrorism. On September 11, 2001, all of France—petrified with horror—rallied to the side of the American people. The front-page headline of one of our major dailies read: “We are all American.” And on that day, when you were mourning for so many dead, never had America appeared to us as so great, so dignified, so strong. The terrorists had thought they would weaken you. They made you greater. The entire world felt admiration for the courage of the American people. And from day one, France decided to participate shoulder to shoulder with you in the war in Afghanistan. Let me tell you solemnly today: France will remain engaged in Afghanistan as long as it takes, because what’s at stake in that country is the future of our values and that of the Atlantic Alliance. For me, failure is not an option. Terrorism will not win because democracies are not weak, because we are not afraid of this barbarism. America can count on France.

Together we must fight against proliferation. Success in Libya and progress under way in North Korea shows that nuclear proliferation is not inevitable. Let me say it here before all of you: The prospect of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons is unacceptable. The Iranian people is a great people. It deserves better than the increased sanctions and growing isolation to which its leaders condemn it. Iran must be convinced to choose cooperation, dialogue and openness. No one must doubt our determination.

Together we must help the people of the Middle East find the path of peace and security. To the Israeli and Palestinian leaders I say this: Don’t hesitate! Risk peace! And do it now! The status quo hides even greater dangers: that of delivering Palestinian society as a whole to the extremists that contest Israel’s existence; that of playing into the hands of radical regimes that are exploiting the deadlock in the conflict to destabilize the region; that of fueling the propaganda of terrorists who want to set Islam against the West. France wants security for Israel and a State for the Palestinians.

Together we must help the Lebanese people affirm their independence, their sovereignty, their freedom, their democracy. What Lebanon needs today is a broad-based president elected according to the established schedule and in strict respect of the Constitution. France stands engaged alongside all the Lebanese. It will not accept attempts to subjugate the Lebanese people.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

America feels it has the vocation to inspire the world. Because she is the most powerful country in the world. Because, for more than two centuries, she has striven to uphold the ideals of democracy and freedom. But this stated responsibility comes with duties, the first of which is setting an example.

Those who love this nation which, more than any other, has demonstrated the virtues of free enterprise expect America to be the first to denounce the abuses and excesses of a financial capitalism that sets too great a store on speculation. They expect her to commit fully to the establishment of the necessary rules and safeguards. The America I love is the one that encourages entrepreneurs, not speculators.

Those who admire the nation that has built the world’s greatest economy and has never ceased trying to persuade the world of the advantages of free trade expect her to be the first to promote fair exchange rates. The yuan is already everyone’s problem. The dollar cannot remain solely the problem of others. If we’re not careful, monetary disarray could morph into economic war. We would all be its victims.

Those who love the country of wide open spaces, national parks and nature reserves expect America to stand alongside Europe in leading the fight against global warming that threatens the destruction of our planet. I know that each day, in their cities and states, the American people are more aware of the stakes and determined to act. This essential fight for the future of humanity must be all of America’s fight.

Those who have not forgotten that it was the United States that, at the end of the Second World War, raised hopes for a new world order are asking America to take the lead in the necessary reforms of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and the G8. Our globalized world must be organized for the 21st century, not for the last century. The emerging countries we need for global equilibrium must be given their rightful place.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Allow me to express one last conviction: Trust Europe.

In this unstable, dangerous world, the United States of America needs a strong, determined Europe. With the simplified treaty I proposed to our partners, the European Union is about to emerge from 10 years of discussions on its institutions and 10 years of paralysis. Soon it will have a stable president and a more powerful High Representative for foreign and security policy, and it must now reactivate the construction of its military capacities.

The ambition I am proposing to our partners is based on a simple observation: There are more crises than there are capacities to face them. NATO cannot be everywhere. The EU must be able to act, as it did in the Balkans and in the Congo, and as it will tomorrow on the border of Sudan and Chad. For that the Europeans must step up their efforts.

My approach is purely pragmatic. Having learned from history, I want the Europeans, in the years to come, to have the means to shoulder a growing share of their defense. Who could blame the United States for ensuring its own security? No one. Who could blame me for wanting Europe to ensure more of its own security? No one. All of our Allies, beginning with the United States, with whom we most often share the same interests and the same adversaries, have a strategic interest in a Europe that can assert itself as a strong, credible security partner.

At the same time, I want to affirm my attachment to NATO. I say it here before this Congress: The more successful we are in the establishment of a European Defense, the more France will be resolved to resume its full role in NATO.

I would like France, a founding member of our Alliance and already one of its largest contributors, to assume its full role in the effort to renew NATO’s instruments and means of action and, in this context, to allow its relations with the Alliance to evolve.

This is no time for theological quarrels but for pragmatic responses to make our security tools more effective and operational in the face of crises. The EU and NATO must march hand in hand.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I want to be your friend, your ally and your partner. But a friend who stands on his own two feet. An independent ally. A free partner.

France must be stronger. I am determined to carry through with the reforms that my country has put off for all too long. I will not turn back, because France has turned back for all too long. My country has enormous assets. While respecting its unique identity, I want to put it into a position to win all the battles of globalization. I passionately love France. I am lucid about the work that remains to be accomplished.

It is this ambitious France that I have come to present to you today. A France that comes out to meet America to renew the pact of friendship and the alliance that Washington and Lafayette sealed in Yorktown.

Together let us be worthy of their example, let us be equal to their ambition, let us be true to their memories!

Long live the United States of America!

Vive la France!

Long live French-American friendship!

URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/66054
The Redneck
November 7th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
I guess I have to stop wishing Alec Baldwin would move off to France now…

Mebbe we can still send him to Spain.

And kaptivate’s al-Sheehan-style accusations are amusing for one particular reason….
What the hell’s wrong with going to war for Israel? Sodom was training terrorists, he was paying 25 grand to the family of anyone who murdered Israeli citizens, he was shipping weapons in… If anybody was doing that to us, I’d hope our allies would go kick the guy’s backside, too!
Liberals Make Great Speedbumps
November 8th, 2007 at 3:08 am
I don’t know what to say, other than wow, after reading the transcript. If only GWB could speak so elegantly. France may yet turn the corner with such a leader.
Gila Monster
November 8th, 2007 at 5:15 am
Hey, you finally answered Kaptivate, good for you.

First of all, the moniker is Gila Monster. The Iguana is a completely different kind of lizard and it’s not even remotely related to the Gila Monster, which BTW, is native to AZ. Here’s a link if you wish to learn a bit more about the GM; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gila_monster

1) So your saying this isn’t a “war for oil”? Or are you saying the Iraqi resistance prevented this from being a “war for oil”?
Funny thing though, we currently seem to be importing about the same amount of oil from Iraq as we did before the war, in fact a bit less. In 2002, we bought 4.4% of our total oil imports from Iraq and so far in 2007, it’s about 4.2%.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil.....mport.html
Interesting also is the fact that Iraq is producing about the same amount of oil currently than it did prior to the “war for oil”. In 2002 it was producing 2.2 million bbl per day, for 2007 it’s 2.13 million bbl per day.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html#Econ
Shall I dare say that your “war for oil” is in fact someones lame talking point that has been debunked time and time again?

2) Not sure what your point is here. Your reply makes no sense other than the name Phillip Zelikow. The article you linked is quite old (2004) and yes, it does state that ONE of the reasons we went into Iraq was to help eliminate the terrorist threat that a Saddam led Iraq posed to the ME and to the US and it’s allies. Zelikow served on the 9/11 Commission where that point was made again with all the other reasons that we invaded Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow
Your statement singling out Israel as the prime beneficiary of OIF sounds anti-Semitic in nature.
Please expound your reasoning here, if you please.

3) Whoa dude, easy on the caffeine there. The rantings of Code Pink, DNC, libtards, etc, do not interest me or anyone else on this site. If you have actual facts to present, please do so but reciting liberal mantra is purely delusional, at best.
BTW, Gen. Petreaus has never requested “hundreds of thousands more troops”. In Jan 2007, he requested and got approx. 30,000 more troops to quell the al-Qada backed terrorists in Iraq. In Sept 2007, he announced the surge was working as planned with the additional troops he received.
I can provide links disputing every one of your claims but I really don’t see the point of it. You have failed to provide facts backing your statements so when you truly attempt to make a specific point, I will respond with a counterpoint in kind.

4) Musharraf a puppet of the US? The US has been extremely critical of Musharraf because of his ongoing resistance to US assistance in effectively dealing with Islamofacist extremists that are hell bent on dominating that region. Pakistan’s current problems stem from two sources. One is the Islamic extremists who want to establish sharia rule and second, a few political factions within Pakistan that back corrupt former Pres. Bhutto, both of which do not want a true secular democracy in Pakistan.
Pakistan has been in a nearly constant state of turmoil since its inception in 1947 so the current unrest is nothing new.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html
I for one, abhor the thought of a sharia ruled nation obtaining nuclear weapons. Kaptivate, do you really believe that we should just leave Pakistan alone since they currently pose no threat to the US?

Judging by your initial responses sir, or madam, you appear to be a die hard Kucinich liberal, not a Buchanan conservative as you claim. Just my two cents worth of opinion. Have a good morning.
artboyusa
November 8th, 2007 at 7:26 am
Sarko’s speech - brilliant! I loved every word - just loved ‘em. Too bad its a French politician who’s delivering this message, instead of a homegrown one, but at least its being delivered and I’m really pleased that my favorite foreign country and my homeland look to be getting on a better footing with each other.Vive la France! Vive l’Amerique!

Gila - thanks for dealing with Kraptivate. Good job, sir.
Liberals Make Great Speedbumps
November 8th, 2007 at 9:23 am
Game, point & match GM, good job.
wardmama4
November 8th, 2007 at 11:30 am
GM - Kraptivate (good one artboy) - was just being a rude, insolent liberal who thinks it is is ‘cute’ and cutting humor to insult and demean prior to spouting talking points (the same old ones) over and over again.

Yes, even though I miss jumping in to the frey - you did a great job of handling his/her drivel.

And Sarkozy’s speech was amazing - perhaps those people (like me and mine) are finally tired of the crappola and true World violence that has been allowed free reign on the innocents just because the spineless of the left don’t have the guts to stand up. That is your right, but stop attempting to undermine those young men and women who are willing to lay down their lives for others - and I for one think it is more inspiring and uplifting - to do it for other countries than just for one’s own. That is a true humanitarian - not these pansy freaks who think that just looking the other way and letting Amnesty International or some such useless group - issue a scathing statement on the treatment is said country. Actions speak louder than words.

On the same subject (and for kraptivate and other trolls): watch this, here is a Troop who understands what happened and who it is who stood up (if you give a damn about the Troops, you will tear up a bit):

http://badassmarine.com/story......s_Marine-1
U NO HOO
November 8th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
kaptivate said, “I could go for a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich ticket.”

kaptivate, have you no shame?
cerberus6
November 8th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
I really like Sarkozy, and hope the French have turned a corner ..but hope is not a factor for analysis and I think the US public may be expecting too much. Judge him by his (& France’s) actions and not by inaccurate US press reports on the French change to a pro-American stance.
Sarko” does have a genuine liking and appreciation of the US but he is a Gaullist through and through. Sarkozy is better – but only incrementally than his predecessor. Sarko is a good guy – he is not an elitist stiff from the ENA (national administration school) – but his career has been made on being a staunch Gaullist party member. He was one of the few to call it like it was during the recent car burning “intifada” rampages across France. He is our best hope for France to turn and face the internal and external threats facing us all from Islamo-facists, theocracies and the assorted islamo dictators of the mid and SW Asia.
However, he subtly notes in this great speech to Congress his support to several disturbing (long standing French) policies:
– The EU Presidency & Constitution. An unaccountable EU President and government – and Sarko supports this!?! After the rejection of an EU constitution by most Europeans in national referendums, the EU‘s the socialist elite bureaucrats and Socialist national leaders are foisting upon their citizens the very same by treaty - without any need for referendum or representative elections (ok, the exception may be Ireland, I thought I heard they are going to vote on it).
– The High Representative for foreign and security policy (which will IMHO only dampen the positive response and support we have received from the British and “new Europe” nations on the GWOT. The socialist leaning governments – or at least left leaning permanent diplomatic and administrative departments/agencies in almost all European nations that coordinate and execute policy – are not going to about face and become our friends because Sarko has the helm. EU members that elect to take a different policy to the EU high rep will have to weigh the economic and political consequences of deviating from the union line. We can only hope the EU will be as timid and ineffectual as they have been in enforcing other EU rules – but with a president and constitution to back him (and his EU bureaucrats) things may start to change for the worse for the sovereignty of individual European nations
I would argue that with or with-out him, the new EU structure is going to shift further from the US and further step down in facing emerging and current threats from Islamo fascism, resurgent Russian intimidation and detrimental internal population changes.
– The European Defense structure he refers to (European Security and Defense Policy –ESDP) has been an evolving battle for control of European defense led by the French –supported by the Germans, to the detriment of all European nations. ESDP has evolved into a paper tiger of a defense force that in its development and utilization undermines and parasites off of NATO. French policy has been steadily working to undermine the primacy of NATO in European security issues – due to their inability to challenge US leadership and primacy. The result is a less secure, militarily weak Europe that now insists that “soft power” is the solution to all crises because they have very little hard power left. The desire of French political leaders to be the leader of Europe on the world stage continues.
Sarko may give the many French citizens and military members who are “with us” courage to continue to go against the tide at home. I have met more than a few who truly regret the course their nation has taken. At some point Sarko may be forced to seriously face the internal and/or external threat and I believe he is the only current French politician who may have the intestinal fortitude to act appropriately, but that remains to be seen.

Bon chance et bon courage mes amis francaises!
wirenut
November 8th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
cerberus6 , thanks for the additional info on Sarkozy . Just to hear his eloquent speech and acknowledgement of this country’s sacrifices for other nations and peoples was and is heartwarming .
Even better as it sticks a burr under the saddle of our hate America crowd here !
KRAPTIVATE , G M has your number . Word of advice , after taking hits from both barrels , minimize your loss and go down . Gila’s aim as well as others here , only gets better !
kaptivate
November 9th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Gila my response didn’t make it past the overbearing censor evidentlty. Your stats on the oil are untrustworthy as a NYT piece outed the largfe-scale misreporting and corruption extant.

Pat Buchanan’s “Whose War” pre-war column, easily googled, was the first to pinpoint the Zionist Lobby’s hand in the war.

Petraus did not request what he knew he wouldn’t get. His early reports asserted many morew troops were needed to defeat the insurgency. Paying off Sunni tribes to fight Al Qaeda has already been
criticised by Iraqi government officials as creating more insurgents long-term.

The American Empire will be dismantled one way or another. Better come home and create peace in our urban areas rather than fortify the unfortifiable. As we leave, acrimony against us will lessen, particularly if we cut off aid to oppressive Israel. Oh, and there’s the real invader to worry about, one that is changing what is left of our founding culture, from the South. Fight on too many fronts
and you’re asking for defeat on all of them.
SG
November 9th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Folks, it is because of posters like Kaptivate that I have so little patience with trolls.

They usually turn out pig ignorant with usually some overweening ax to grind. Or several axes. (”Zionist Lobby,” “oppressive Israel,” “American empire.”)

Moreover, they are uniformly oblivious to facts or reason. They are simply wasters of time and bandwidth.
sheehanjihad
November 9th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Then hell SG…just so he knows it…he is a dick with ears, and I cordially invite him to switch from his inhaler to a blowtorch, and as he bursts into flames, dive headlong into a bark shredder screaming…”it’s the chipmunks I tell ya! The chipmunks!”.

Remember though, the kaptivates of this country always reminds the rest of us here just how mentally distressed a lot of the population is….small minded glue sniffers who believe what they are told by leftist stick jigglers like hillary.

Sometimes you gotta let them post so we dont lose sight of why we fight….and who.
Gila Monster
November 9th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Kaptivate,

You just can’t carry on any type of intelligent discussion, can you? You present no facts with your rambling rhetoric and place huge significance to op-ed pieces from indeterminate sources that like you, present no facts backing their wild and baseless positions.

When confronted with facts (Iraq oil production), you effusively dismiss them as “untrustworthy”, yet produce no facts or sources to support your assertions. Citing some obtuse “NYT piece”, which you again fail to link, is hardly a basis for your argument. The NYT, … trustworthy? LOL, oh please, that’s positively Orwellian.

SG is absolutely right, you sir / madam, are a ‘libtardian’, anti-Semitic, America-hating, snot-nosed little trout sniffing wanna-be-Marxist who probably couldn’t tie their own shoes without the help of ten of your fellow Kos Kid’z / HuffPo’ers. Now shuffle back to your cacophonic fellow parrots before I pluck more of your feathers you little moron.

Actually SG, I think you’re wrong about one thing, a pig is infinitely more intelligent than this tool. ;o)
DW
November 9th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Folks, it is because of posters like Kaptivate that I have so little patience with trolls.

I suppose we don’t help matters much. It’s just so cathartic (not to mention fun) to actually have a target to bombard. Plus, it is interesting and educational to hear various members having their go at debunking the silly argument du-jour.
I guess we’re like little kids in a way: Awww, isn’t that cuuute….can we keep it SG -pleeeeeeze ???
On the other hand, we’re not the ones who maintain the site or pay for the bandwidth or deal with such knuckleheads non-stop.
It’s a great site, Steve. Just keep doing as you see fit.
SG
November 9th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
“I suppose we don’t help matters much. It’s just so cathartic (not to mention fun) to actually have a target to bombard. Plus, it is interesting and educational to hear various members having their go at debunking the silly argument du-jour.”

I will probably continue to allow “dissenting” views to be posted.

But the posters have to be able to form somewhat cogent arguments and at least make a pretense at rationality.

Otherwise it is just too tiresome.
sheehanjihad
November 9th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
SG…I have to admit….when a troll attempts their form of chastising us for our views, and then gets their ass handed to them on a plate by whoever reads it…and there seems to be a line to get a shot in…it makes for such entertaining reading that I look forward to it.

yes, most are sophomoric humorless dorks without a viable clue to what the truth really is, but that is the beauty of it. When I see one of our own take them to task, and back their facts with URL’s or statistics that can be proven, or just common sense it is fascinating to watch the troll go into “libtard mode” and begin the tiresome recitation of some movie they saw, or they make the huge mistake of quoting facts from kos i’m stupid…or huffnpuff…they think those posts there are gospel….and end up looking like the morons they are.

Most are laconic anus’s without a backbone…doing drive by posts without hanging around long enough to articulate their argument with facts….and I notice how wounded they get when War, or DW, or DEZ, or 1st, or Gila, or Wardmama, or Texas, or Wire, or Artboy, or LMGSP, or the Prof, or BillK, or Navycop, or amber, or even SJ…..each one of these posters comes armed with a different weapon, but each weapon shoots the same bullet. FACTS!

If I left anyone out, it’s because I saw a woman who looked like the Snag at the beach, and aside from the harpoon marks on her back, and the fact that she left a ring around the Gulf, I have that image stuck in my head, seeing her waddle down the sand, with a bottle of what could have been jamba juice in her hand….floppy hat, drooling vacuous grin, and that liberal esque air of just not being there….a bag of empty skin flopping along, oblivious to anything that exists but her. Ewwwwww! She was a ringer for the Snag….so close as a matter of fact, I almost shot her. But, sanity prevailed, and I satisfied myself by using a back hoe to fill in her footprints. I know, I know, nothing to do with this thread other than the fact that she was probably Kaptivate’s mother.
DEZ
November 9th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
“I satisfied myself by using a back hoe to fill in her footprints”
OK, I guess I deserved that, Wheres that bottle no drip Windex I just bought.
DEZ
November 9th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
“The American Empire will be dismantled one way or another.”

Kaptivate, I know your looking at the monitor now and calling SG names like fascist, Imperialist,
Even Nazi for having the nerve to block you.
Yeah look around in disbelief and cuss about how your constitutional rights have just been crushed by the neocons. We have heard all of the libtard shouting points at some time in the past.
But the real reason for my post is this, You can wish with all your spite that America will crumble.
And it may some day, Its happened to civilizations throughout history.
You choose to cheer it on and dance with glee for Americas destruction.
So listen carefully, There are men and women that love our country.
And we will not give it up without a fight, And let me be the first to warn you that many of us fight to win.
We will fight dirty, We will fight to the death it that’s what it takes.
You have chosen your side, And you have chosen unwisely.
BillK
November 9th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
“As we leave acrimony against us will lessen.”

Unless we disavow Israel.

Once we do that, it will be unless we adopt Sharia law.

Or at least get Britney to wear panties.

It always amazes me, as the “death to America!” folks here are the ones that will be the first beheaded should bin Laden and crew succeed.

But there I go, using logic again…

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