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School Apologizes For Field Trip to Mosque

From Fox News:

School Apologizes After Students Pray to Allah on Field Trip to Mosque

By Todd Starnes
Published September 17, 2010

A Massachusetts school district has apologized to parents after a group of schoolchildren participated in midday Muslim prayers during a field trip to a Boston-area mosque.

The incident occurred in May when a social studies class from Wellesley Middle School toured the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, one of the largest mosques in the Northeast.

Parents were told their children would be learning about the architecture of a mosque and they would be allowed to observe a prayer service. But the students wound up being given a lecture on the Prophet Muhammad, and some boys participated in a midday prayer service

Naturally, the girls were not allowed to pray.

Attorney Rob Meltzer represents the parent, who asked not to be identified. He’s launched an investigation into the incident and says he may consider filing a lawsuit or complaint against the school district.

“Personally, I was appalled,” Meltzer told FOX News Radio. “We are obviously very concerned about how much control parents were given and the lack of informed consent.”

The sixth graders were… reportedly told that jihad is a personal spiritual struggle that has nothing to do with holy war, and girls on the field trip were told that Islam is pro-women.

“Islam was actually very advanced in terms of recognizing women’s rights,” an unidentified mosque spokeswoman says in the video. “At the time of the Prophet Muhammad, women were allowed to express their opinions and vote. In this country, women didn’t gain that right until less than a hundred years ago.” …

Of course this nonsense is probably being taught in public school as well, in Massachusetts.

On Thursday, nearly four months after the incident, the Wellesley School District sent a letter to parents apologizing for what happened.

“I extend my sincere apologies for the error that occurred and regret the offense it may have caused,” Superintendent Bella Wong wrote in a statement provided to FOX News Radio. “In the future, teachers will provide more clear guidance to students to better define what is allowed to fulfill the purpose of observation.” …

Notice that they didn’t say they would stop taking ‘school trips’ to mosques. Just that they would be more careful about “the purpose of observation.”

Imagine if this had been a Baptist church. And Baptists don’t even tend to practice jihad.

For more information about the background of this mosque watch the video clip above, and read the report from Americans For Peace & Tolerance.

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, September 17th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

59 Responses to “School Apologizes For Field Trip to Mosque”

  1. Right of the People says:

    And the brainwashing of the young continues!

    You’re right Steve, if this had been a Catholic church and the kids sat in for a mass the ACLU would have had a stroke!

  2. Reality Bytes says:

    So when’s the trip to Riverside Church? (Lutheran in NYC). You gotta wonder what Christ did to piss off the secular humanist liberal.

    “I am the way, the truth & the light.” – Jesus Christ

    “What is Truth?” – Pontius Pilate (probably liberal too).

  3. David says:

    “You see, Islam in Mohamed’s day was very progressive in terms of women’s rights… now all you girls please leave so these perfect men can pray with out being polluted by the sight of your wicked existence.”

  4. Petronius says:

    The students were “told that jihad is a personal spiritual struggle that has nothing to do with holy war ….”

    In other words, you can take the jihadi out of the jihad, but you can’t take the jihad out of the jihadi.

  5. Rusty Shackleford says:

    School Apologizes

    it’s always easier to say you’re sorry than it is to get permission in the first place.

    And what’s done is done.

  6. hushpuppy says:

    And we’re hearing about this months after the incident? Why has it taken this long to hit the news?

    Remember this item from Fox News?

    America Exposed to ‘Stealth Jihad’ Threat, Security Report Warns

    “Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs” by: Robert Spencer – Unabridged (2008)

    And here’s the audio book “Stealth Jihad” you can study:

    And another audio book “The Truth About Mohammed” by Robert Spencer

  7. Mae says:

    This is what is called a “dhimmi” school district. Liberals see the Moslems as underdogs. You want to kill us? Oh, OK, but let me kiss your feet first. Dhimmis grovel.

  8. beautyofreason says:

    I’m not surprised. I had to sit through a lecture by a Muslim man who was invited to discuss his religious faith and pass around a Koran in a public school social studies class. He described how Allah would send animal painters to hell for depicting living things. Jerk.

    “At the time of the Prophet Muhammad, women were allowed to express their opinions and vote.”

    Does that include the Jewish woman Muhammad married after killing her husband and father in the same day?

    Or the pregnant woman he sentenced to death by stoning for conceiving a child out of wedlock?

    Or his wives he sentenced to “purdah” (seclusion from public life) by so-called divine revelation after they played a trick on him?

    Does that include his 6-year-old bride, Aisha? Wikipedia says that Mohammad “proposed to her” and she “accepted.”


    Sure the ACLU is going to press charges over this blatant violation of the separation of church and state.

    • confucius says:

      In the recent past, I went to a wedding between a Hindu and a Christian. The gathering consisted of Hindus, Christians and quite likely, pseudo-whatevers.

      The ceremony was about 2 hours long–10 minutes Christian and the rest Hindu. The Hindu portion came with a narrator interrupting the ceremony every 30 seconds in order to explain the significance of what just happened.

      As if I cared for yet another teachable moment–let alone 220 of them.

      I, for one, like to remain one of the great unwashed. (Although I have to say, the BO emanating from the other side of the room was quite compelling.)

  9. jobeth says:

    I don’t think I’ve every heard of a bunch of 6th graders learning how ANY place of religion’s architecture.
    Explaining the architecture would mean you must explain the ‘whys and reasons’…thus…the get to give their little pitch that allah is god. And “here you go…you little boy kiddies…you can now pray”

    Try that with ANY Christian ANYTHING…Even acutally saying that Christmas…is a CHRISTian HOLY day and not some winter festival to a student…Whether the student is Christian or not…that’s a no no. Even the student can’t claim that if they are in the class room.

    But praying in a mosque? It’s just education…and a study of architecture.

    And isn’t the root of the prayer tower’s shape a ‘ phallic symbol’ anyway? (Just kidding..sort of)

    • hushpuppy says:

      “And isn’t the root of the prayer tower’s shape a ‘ phallic symbol’ anyway? (Just kidding..sort of)”

      Actually – that is accurate. It goes back to the ancient Babylon Mystery Religion and the Cult of Fertility (ie Bunny Rabbits at Easter). Easter was a makeover name from Ishtar, Queen of the Heavens and fertility goddess.

      At the old winter celebration on Dec 25, back some 2000 yrs ago, that was when the season officially became winter. Old pagans held ‘festivals of light’ to the old sun god, offering gifts and making fires – to ‘remind’ the sun god to come back in the Spring.

      Part of that ancient festival had people burning ‘yule’ logs (February, old norse word meaning ‘wheel’) cut from fir trees. Ishtar said her husband/son sprang up out of a chunk of fir trees. (the custom, moving forward had people buying evergreen trees.)

      People would have drunken Baccanalia festivals, also called Lupercalia, and then in the Spring, they’d have fertility festivals commencing in February around the 14th (from the old latin word ‘fevered’) well into March or early April commemorating Ishtar/Easter.

      These are the old pagan foundations of modern Easter and Christmas.

      Oh – and one last thing – part of the Mystery Religion had people entering and exiting a building dedicated to the Queen of Heaven whose doors and archways were pointed at the top… suggesting a ‘rebirth’ of sorts via a structural vagina.

      images.google.com key words: church doors

      There are loads of these modern cults extant today, including the Cult of Penis worship, the remnants of these phalli are obelisks – which can be found all over the world like at Rome in St Peter’s Square, and near the White House.

      images.google.com key words: obelisks in egypt, obelisks in rome, obelisks in washington, phalli cult, phalli cult japan, etc.

      Alexander Hislop’s book: The Two Babylons makes for great reading and is backed up by various encyclopedias, books and articles.

    • jobeth says:

      Thanks for that Hushpuppy!

      I learned a lot with your comment. I’m always fascinated at how Christianity and Pagan customs blended throughout history.

      I knew I was right about the prayer tower being a phallic symbol…but couldn’t remember where I had heard it.

    • confucius says:

      Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    • fallingpianos says:

      Not if your name’s Bill Clinton.

      Sorry… couldn’t resist that one.

  10. “Imagine if this had been a Baptist church.”

    Well, if it had been a Baptist church, at least that would have been the “correct” flavor of Faith.

    And as hush puppy correctly alerts, isn’t it strange how we’re only hearing about this months after the incident?

  11. “At the time of the Prophet Muhammad, women were allowed to express their opinions and vote. In this country, women didn’t gain that right until less than a hundred years ago.”

    WOW.. I guess they voted this rule in too:
    Qur’an (4:34) – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

    Yup.. specially the beating part.. I hear that is very pro woman..

    • jobeth says:

      “…and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them…”

      Leave them alone in the sleeping-places?

      Yeah…that’ill show’em….lol.

      That’s gotta be muhammad’s’ wicked sense of humor!

      Quite honestly that may well be the source of their disobedience…Just so they don’t have to sleep with these swine!…Oh….did I say swine? lol

      In addition to being full of a lot of other stuff, hubris is the greatest of these.

      Do these muslim men really think that women “Yearn” to sleep with someone who treats them like a “thing”? One of the many things these banty roosters need to do is to stop kidding themselves about their sleepytime prowess.

      In truth I think they are quite afraid of women and their ability to make them “desire”. I guess that’s a threat to a weak man who is afraid.

      Ok…I’m off my little pseudo-psychologist soap box…lol

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      I think every femi-nazi would do well to read the high holy book of eezlame. Oddly, though, they do seem to welcome and even encourage sharia law. Noting whenever a flaming socialist female news “reporter” goes to the land of boogers and dry skin, they happily wear their head scarf. Isn’t that oh-so-cosmopolitan? Such sophistication.


    • Mithrandir says:

      The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Politically-Incorrect-Guide-to-Islam/Robert-Spencer/e/9780895260130/?itm=1&USRI=politically+incorrect+guide+to+islam

      Why would parents even sign and agree to let their kids go on this field trip to begin with? “Studying architecture” –come on naive parents! -what a flimsy excuse to have a field trip!

    • jobeth says:

      I love those “Politically Incorrect” Books. I have a few in our church’s library I run. Truth at last.

    • hushpuppy says:

      jobeth- if you’re interested, I bookmarked an article from the Telegraph in the UK last year. A fellow has built a scale model of Herod’s Temple along with the scale model of people (some 4000 so far). It’s not only a work of art, but a real labor of love.

      There are 19 photos in the gallery:

      Also – regarding the pagan origins I wrote about, the copyright has expired on Alexander Hislop’s book, The Two Babylons, so you can get the entire book in pdf form all over the place. Here’s a link that contains an excellent scan:


      …and if anyone’s interested, there’s book called ‘How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West’

      available here:
      http://tinyurl.com/39gl3wa OR

    • jobeth says:

      Thanks Hush Puppy…I am interested…Thanks for the links.

      I for one have included books on islam written by former muslims turned Christian, in our church’s library. I believe its really important that we, especially Christians, but all of us as well, know what they are about. Their methods..ie, lies, deception, etc.

      Sadly, my fellow church family members are for the most part only interested in what time our services are and what time supper is. We have a few that are checking those books out and one that I can’t seem to get back from the borrower. That one was an especially good book.

      One day some of these same people will wake up with some muslim at their door. And not have a clue how it all happened or why.

      Speaking of the model you gave a link to, in case you weren’t aware, there is, for the lack of a better word, a theme park (hate calling it that) called “The Holy Land Experience” in Orlando. Thankfully no rides.

      I have lived an hour from it for years and haven’t been yet. Those that have gone have come away with praises at how well it presents Christ and Biblical stories. It has small models of Herod’s Temple as well has the whole town around it. There are special reenactments that are well done by true actors that friends have described as a deeply moving, especially the depiction of the Passion.

      I would love to go sometime soon.

  12. tranquil.night says:

    So what’s the problem here? This was great training for our future generation of tolerant and sensitive enslaved infidels multiculturalites.

    Those wingnuts are having another tantrum aren’t they? You know, it’s those social Christian Conservative hicks that’re just too wacky and extreme for the mainstream and especially for government. It’s Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell. It’s the end of the world if they get ahold of any real power. Even the Republicans and Conservatives with a brain get it!


  13. wardmama4 says:

    I weep for America that pure unadulterated indoctrination (hypocritical at that) such as this is allowed to happen – I hope whomever this attorney is representing hangs in for the long haul and wins billions (yes that is billions with a B) to stop this crap right now.

    And as pointed out the ACLU and feminazis are amazingly silent on this terrible evil infiltrating our country.

    God Help America
    A Proud American Infidel

  14. Mithrandir says:

    As the saying goes, Teachers are the DUMBEST students you will find on college campuses.

    It is annoying to witness arrogant teachers who know very little (and were taught very little) about anything.

    Teachers are not any smarter than the students they teach, so don’t ever count on them to make intelligent decisions. You think a 6th grade teacher at a mosque has the guts or the intelligence to stop students from praying, or refute obvious lies about Islam……just ask yourselves, “What were they doing there in the first place?”

    “Islam gave women the right to vote, now all the girls get the hell out of the prayer area!”

  15. bill says:

    It’s what happens when you leave your common sense at home … Of course that assumes you ever had any in the first place.

  16. TwilightZoned says:

    As many of you already know, I’m in the education trenches.
    This field trip event sickens and disgusts me…The lack of
    action by the commie organization, ACLU, doesn’t surprise
    me in the least.

    Just as lawyers, there are a few good and very bright, I might
    add, teachers out there so please don’t lump us all together.
    Most of the time when articles, such as this, come out I say
    nothing. It’s hard to refute what so many in public education
    stand for. With that said, those of us who refuse to participate
    in the indoctrination within our public schools are too few.
    Facts presented to dispute liberal educators or thinkers, for
    that matter, are a waste of time. Personal experience has shown
    those who think with their emotions can not be reasoned with.
    It is a brick wall, head-banging ordeal. However, progressives
    are not in the majority. Parents and tax payers need to get in
    there and bulldoze the system.

    There’s a lot of blame to go around here folks. American’s apathy
    will solve nothing. Let’s hope this grass roots movement to rein
    in government and get back to the Constitution will continue to grow.
    If part of that means doing away with public education so be it.

    • jobeth says:

      TZ…Let me be among the first to apologize for clumping all teachers and today’s educators together with the deadbeats. You are right.

      There are many many really great teachers out there. They have our respect and gratitude.

      I’ve shared my own personal experience with the bad vs great teachers in my learning disabled granddaughter’s education, so I know you are so very right.

      I think we are expressing the frustration you said you feel. And as usual…fair or unfair the focus is always on the deadbeat educators and not the really dedicated teachers who just wishes to be allowed to do the job they love, but are prevented to do so by the loony left.

      Yes, thank God for those excellent teachers…like I know you must be just by reading your thoughts on S&L.

      Unfortunately they’re just not in this story.

    • proreason says:

      I’m with Chris Christie when it comes to teachers, most of whom are fine people and many of whom are actually public servants and love children.

      It isn’t the teachers themselves who are the problem, it’s the leadership, and the education system itself.

      Individuals in the trenches are almost never the problem. That goes for unionized workers and low-level government workers as well. Close to 0% of those people chose to become socialists dedicated to moving wealth from others to themselves. Close to 100% of them chose to enter a field of work they had some talent for and interest in, so they could make a living from themselves and their families.

      Even most teachers who are terrible today can be great tomorrow. But they have to be free to operate in a system that allows their natural instincts and capabilities to come to the front. And I’m not talking about $700 million school buildings, I’m talking about giving them the texts and training to reach kids and make them enjoy learning, rather than indoctrinate them to liberalism.

    • tranquil.night says:

      TZ I have great sympathy for you and it must be tough to watch a profession that should be so cherished and respected be so corrupted and maligned. Pro hit the right tone for shouldering the blame squarely not just on the leadership but also the system apparatus itself. As a first-hand product of 90’s/millineum era public school and private Catholic High School, I can attest that the problem itself is more than just a systemic issue or one of progandizing curriculum, but it’s that students are imprisoned to grow up in a small world that is both fundamentally defeating and psychologically maddening – where achievers are punished and losers are coddled.

      Most institutional education in America is an abject, glaring failure. I hate to turn to Spears, Hilton, Lohan and that succubus demon android Lady Gaga because they are NOT the voices for my generation – but they are symptoms of the deadlier parasite. There is serious anger about this – and people aren’t falling for the “give us more money for the children” scam this go around. Here in California, Meg Whitman thinks she’s a bi-partisan genius because she’s touting her plan to get the state Congress to go along with a welfare cut in exchange for a fresh pump of funds into the University of California system. Now, she has no credibility here anyway (if we vote for her, it’s because we’re plugging our nose to save our state from the absolute catastrophe of a lunatic Leftist relic) but still – nobody’s buying it. Nobody wants to keep shoveling unnecessary funds to these academic elitists who already overcharge and churn out nothing but useless conformist zombies, and the same goes with local public schools. They are seeing the success of the charter program in New Orleans, there was an uproar when Obama cut DC’s, and home-schooling numbers continue to grow by gigantic leaps.

      Curious how the so-called “moderates” are so unnerved by the prospect of solid social Conservatives in office that they seem to have forgotten we have a radical marxist in the White House who still maintains an operating majority. Truth be told I don’t think they’re half as worried about us suddenly turning Americans homophobic as they are about us marching directly into the thickest muck of government spending and having a serious discussion with the American people about how they’re getting screwed on their investments in Social Security and Education among, many deep government-lobbyist troughs. In other words I think these “moderates” are Big Government Republican Aristocrats, and they’re proving it more everyday.

      There’s a good article from the latest American Spectator that examines some of the possibilities for the future of higher education: Roger Scruton The Idea of a University

      “Already I have begun to encounter university colleagues, marginalized for their conservative views or for their dissatisfaction with the way things are done, who are looking for other ways of continuing the great tradition of higher learning, and of passing on to the next generation some of the knowledge that was passed on to them. Such is the prevailing spirit in America, that I suspect the cyber-university will be a day-to-day reality, long before the old universities wake up to the fact that they have priced themselves out of the market.”

      Not sure if I completely agree, but where Government and the institutions of old fail, the American people will innovate and succeed when needed. That much is certain.

    • TwilightZoned says:

      Thanks for the thoughts all.

      Jobeth: “…dedicated teachers who just wish to be allowed to do the job they love, but are prevented to do so by the loony left.”

      It’s all cookie cutter at this point. Twenty years ago one was allowed to deviate from the adopted text. Now teachers have pacing guides and end of course exams. A ploy by the loony left to be certain ALL students are indoctrinated at the same rate and level. I envision rubbing of hands with evil, drooling grins.

      Pro: “It isn’t the teachers themselves who are the problem…”

      Yes…but I must admit there are a fair number out there who really believe the half-truths and flat out lies in texts as well as the liberal ideology. I’d wager a bet there’s more than one in every school near you. Frightening…really frightening.

      “Close to 0% of those people chose to become socialists dedicated to moving wealth from others to themselves.”

      Well said, at least in my case.

      TN: “TZ I have great sympathy for you and it must be tough to watch a profession that should be so cherished and respected be so corrupted and maligned.”

      You don’t know the half of it. If it weren’t for the students and like-minded colleagues, antidepressants would be a must. Actually…three of the top 10 medications prescribed, in my district, are antidepressants-according to the health provider. It’s probably safe to say, this is more the norm than not across America. Extremely sad.


      Most of the time I feel like an indentured servant. Seven years and I’m out with 30. (Actually 36 total. A military move (spouse) to another state set me back.) My goal then is to work, until full retirement, in a nice Christian school. Right now my state retirement fund, one in four states total, is solvent. However, if things change plans could happen sooner than later.

    • jobeth says:

      ” My goal then is to work, until full retirement, in a nice Christian school. ”

      I’m glad to hear it. I know it will take probably a year or more, but I can promise you, you will actually feel the tension leave your body…little by little. Your joy in teaching will come back over that year and you will wonder why you didn’t make the move sooner.

      Of course we know why…Unfortunately Christian schools operate on shoestrings and can’t pay their teachers what they deserve.

      But imagine actually having control of disapline in your class that allows you to have time to get to the subject matter. To be able to teach the REAL subject matter that the young minds need and not all that social nonsense. Imagine having your school front office back you up…Imagine working with people you are aligned with.

      I have a bit of that right now…in that I “work” …actually volunteer at my church. The difference in work invironments between the secular hospital and the church staff are like night and day. There are always problems or disagreements but you are on the same page with these people and don’t need to worry about having to look the other way when real issues come up that trouble your morals.

      Good luck to you when that time comes! God Bless!

    • proreason says:

      TZ. If I were you, I wouldn’t plan on 100% of the pension you have been promised. When the pension cuts begin in earnest, and they will soon, the hierarchy will be: emergency workers, teachers, other government workers.

      But it is even more likely that the cuts will be across the board. Look for caps first (probably will not impact you); then, mandatory increases in employee contributions with reductions in state contributions, increase in allowable retirement ages, reduction in annuities (scaled), and then across the board percentage cuts in annuities. Ultimately, the payouts will have to be substantially reduced. There will almost certainly even be cuts in payments to people already retired.

      imho, all of this is inevitable.

      Remember, states cannot print money, and there is no reasonable way for a state to go bankrupt. If they attempt to do so, that state will be unable to borrow in the future, which will be even less acceptable than cutting pensions. Even the lunacy in California has an expiration date within the next few years. Chris Christie is just a small taste of what will soon be a major country-wide initiative. The country should thank him for showing the way before the situation gets even worse.

    • TwilightZoned says:

      Pro: “If I were you, I wouldn’t plan on 100% of the pension you have been promised.”

      Yep, already thought of that and also feel it is an inevitable situation. What happens, happens. In the meantime, I’m trying to prepare in other ways. Thinking the government will provide is complete lunacy.

  17. confucius says:

    More Islam field trips from the Richmond Times-Dispatch:

    Scouts learn about religious diversity at Jamboree

    by Althea Fung
    August 02, 2010

    BOWLING GREEN — Boy Scouts and volunteers woke early yesterday and marched from different corners of the Jamboree camps to pray, receive Holy Communion or attend other religious services.

    More than 20 services were held during the weekend at the National Scout Jamboree.

    Since its inception, religion has been a major component of the Scouts. Scouts are required to take an oath to serve God. …

    For the past 30 years, the National Islamic Committee on Scouting has held services and an interfaith forum for Scouts to learn about Islam and other religions.

    “When I joined the Boy Scouts of America, there was a presentation of Christian and Jewish faiths. I said, ‘How come there is no Islamic committee?’ They said to me, ‘You will form the committee,'” said Syed Naqvi, founder of the Islamic Council on Scouting and chairman of the Islamic Committee. “The Islamic Council was created to explain the ideas of Islam and promote building bridges between the faiths.”

    To further the exploration of cultural diversity, a mosque was erected at the Jamboree this year. Called the Gilwell Park Mosque, after a Scouting campsite in London, the mosque has an inflatable minaret atop a wooden building.

    Holding the forum after the other services allowed boys of other faiths to learn about Islam. …


    • jobeth says:

      Now just why do the muslims get to “evangelize” within the Judeo/Christian boys, but the J/C’s can’t evangelize within the muslims? Isn’t that bridge building too?

      Or is it as we all know…all a thinly veiled effort to recruit without worrying about having to reciprocate?

      I just went to the story link and found this at the end…

      “I wanted to see other perspectives of faith. I am really enjoying the feeling of peace,” said 17-year-old Gus Sherfick of Shoals, Ind. “I’ve never been to anything that wasn’t Protestant or Catholic. I’ve always wanted to go to get a better understanding.”

      Sigh….A little mush headed young American male, “enjoying the feeling of peace”…on his way to learning he has virgins in paradise waiting for him…if only he becomes a martyr for allah.

      This is an ‘exchange’ of understanding? How?

      Does anyone believe there is some little muslim boy there feeling the joy of Christian peace? Ummm?

      I wonder if this scout’s parents know he is experiencing the “peace” of a religion who regularly murders all sorts of people in the world for the tiniest imagined slight. Or who would treat his mom like a possession?

    • confucius says:


      I hope you didn’t watch the videoclip embedded in the article. I found it disturbing in light of the Scout Oath:

      On my honour, I promise that I will do my duty to God and the King, I will do my best to help others, whatever it costs me, and I know the scout law, and will obey it.

      In the English tradition, “God” refers to Jehovah (or Yahweh) and not Allah.

      Furthermore, what’s with “the King” reference?

    • jobeth says:

      No…I missed that…but knowing the way the Brits traditionally held their royals…I’m not surprised that “King” is in there.

      In fact its a bit amazing they still put Jehovah (or Yahweh) God before the” King”.

      Now a days you are lucky to find 1 Brit in10 who seriously holds God up in His proper place.

      I know the first thing my new step-son-in- law ask me 10 years ago when I went over to meet them is…”Are you one of those American Christians that send all their money to some TV preacher?…ha, ha,” I told him no…but if one struck me as needing my money I would. He didn’t quite know how to take that…He quickly learned I was one of those “nuts” who reads the Bible and attends church! lol Imagine!

      Even the Arch Bishop of Canterbury is on the “allah” bandwagon by condoning Sharia law. Although, he is back peddling some.

    • confucius says:

      Hi jobeth,

      It would have been appropriate for the Boy Scouts of America to have dropped “the King” reference on adopting the Oath.

      By the way, did you know the BSA is federally chartered by Congress?

      Go figure.

  18. proreason says:

    It doesn’t do any good to worry about this crap independently of Obamy.

    Simply put, this stuff won’t disappear until he and his ideology disappear.

    Once he is eliminated, all of these nagging worries can be put to bed in short order. ALL OF THEM.

    The solutions aren’t complex at all. We just have to gather the will to say no to the adolescent morons who, unbelievably, we have allowed to rule over us.

    • jobeth says:

      “Once he is eliminated, all of these nagging worries can be put to bed in short order. ALL OF THEM.”

      I don’t know Pro…That camel (islam) has more than a nose under the tent. He’s front and center now in every aspect in life and pushing in hard.

      He’s not going away anytime soon I fear, even when we get rid of obalmy.

    • proreason says:

      Muslims are less than 2% of the country.

      As a people, globally, they have no technical capabilities other than what the West and China do for them.

      Their religion is primitive and transparent. Their goal is to revert to the 9th century.

      They have no economic power other than oil, which the west gave to them. Oil is worthless without the capability of extracting and refining it, and without the machines that require it. The Arabs would never have developed it if not for the West. It doesn’t belong to them because they squat on the ground above it. It belongs to us because our ancestors developed the techonogies to exploit it. If I invent a medical device that saves millions of lives, and because I’m generous and want you to have a good life, I give the patent to you. If you then use that patent to make trillions and develop an army to come and destroy me, would I say, gee, I can’t do a thing about it. Jobeth has the patent. I have to give up and live like an animal. Of course not. It’s ludicrous to even think about it.

      I’m not saying that the problem WILL be solved, I’m saying that it CAN be solved very easily. Muslims themselves are a trivial problem. Liberals are the roadblock. The problem can be solved in a month.

      Step 1: Ban Sharia in the US. Make it clear that Muslims will obey US law. Not maybe, for sure. Stictly enforce the division between church and state.

      Step 2: Tell Iran that they will abandon nukes or have them taken away in 30 days. Not maybe, for sure.

      Step 3: Tell the Saudi Arabia rulers that the will abandon funding terrorists or will be deposed in 30 days. Not maybe, for sure.

      Problem solved for generations.

      NONE of the problems facing the country are complex to solve. What seems to make them complex is liberalism. (Actually, a California Congressman named Nunez appeared on O’Reilly last night and made the same point. He has written a book about it. He is the first politician I’ve heard with the guts to say it.)

      One more example. Social Security. All that needs to be done is to continually adjust retirement ages for people 55 and younger to actuarially match current and projected FICA taxes. The SSA has actuaries that can do the math in 1 day. They have probably already done it. And Jobeth, it’s no diffent that what you and your husband have done for yourselves in your retirement. You don’t spend more than your income do you? Why should the country? It isn’t complex, it’s simple common sense. It only seems hard because of liberal propaganda. That’s my point.

    • jobeth says:

      I understand your points…and based in common sense and right thinking I agree that it all could and should happen just as you say.

      Most problems are relatively easy to solve IF you use the common sense approaches you mentioned in your comment. Sometimes it takes a while…sometimes the solutions come with a few bumps but most everything CAN be solved.

      My point though is that even with all the conservative common sense currently flooding our political scene right now. (thank you Lord) the left. and certainly not the muslims are going to go away. Instead they will be doubling down on efforts.

      And since neither has a problem with deception or lying…and we have at least one or two undereducated generations of mush minds out there…they have a good chance to get these useful idiots to accept the junk they espouse. These last generations have never been taught critical thinking…in fact just the opposite…accept what the “experts” (like algore) tell you.

      That is why I said in another thread…we have to closely watch even those ‘conservatives’ we elect..so that there are no “converts” to the big government attitude of “I’ll scratch your back.,,if you scratch mine”.

      That WILL come, even among those tea party favorites…Human nature.

      Add that to the fact that the muslims have prevailed all these years through underhanded deception and force and I don’t think there IS a way to get that camel out from under the tent. It’s in too far.

      You only have to look how far they’ve gotten in only the past 20 years or so. Look at how many European countries are inundated with muslims changing the very fabric of their centuries old cultures.

      No, you can’t ever go home again…as they say. It’s a whole new world out there.

      No country will throw these muslims out and they will have the opportunity to continue their deceptions and demands…and violence…and control.

      You and I both agree our biggest foes are the uber progressive left…under a multitudes of names and the muslims. Our disagreement is only on which is the bigger threat.

      You must know by now that I speak from a Christian point of view as I see it, and many of us hold that we’ve read the last pages of “The Book” (Bible) and understand what the ‘end’ will be like.

      I am among those who think that the mulims are part of the anti-Christ issue. I genuinely feel they are satan’s personal tools because they are so diametrically opposite of all that the Judeo-Christian faiths hold.

      For those reasons and a few others, I still hold the muslim problem is not going away…obalmy or not. It’s here to stay…and all the problems that comes with them.

      That doesn’t mean that I am such a fatalist that I would roll over and let them steam roll me/us. On the contrary I will fight till my last breath for my family, my country and most importantly my God.

      I only wish…and pray…that the mindset you have, with the clear and obvious solutions to our problems, will prevail. I sincerely hope I’m wrong…and that you are right…but I doubt it.

      We CAN change it. It will mean a lot of real fighting…and I mean violence WILL come…not started by Americans/Christians or Jews…but it WILL come to us.

      Reading a Brit blog the other day I came to the realization that the rest of the world doesn’t have a clue to the American mindset so we can’t expect to ever have support from anyone outside our country. And even within our country there are too many who will fight us.

      I mean that (outside support) on a individual level. Nations will support each other if the end goal is the same. And thank God for the support of the UK and Israel and a few other Nations. Its the leftist minded individuals I’m speaking of here…who will someday run those countries.

      If we stick to our God and our values and our guns and our votes, we have a chance to do it.

      I think what keeps me so frustrated all the time. What seems so clear to you…and me…and others…seems to be in some kind of blind spot for most of those who have the power to change things.

      It has been said before, “In the end times what is right will be called wrong and what is wrong will be called right.” Are we there yet? I say yes.

    • proreason says:

      Muslims’ only power is the power granted them by the leftists in Europe and the US. Without that power, they are 9th century peasant nutjobs ranting in the desert.

      The left has formed an alliance with Islam to destroy freedom. It seems insane, but I believe that is what is actually going on. You don’t imagine that femists actually see anything constructive in Islam do you? Homosexuals? Intellectuals? Of course not. The left’s apparent infatuation with Islam only makes sense if you understand that it is an alliance of convenience. The reward that the left perceives is complete power. The reward that Islam sees is a better chance to overthrow the West and Christianity.

      I know you disagree, but I am more and more convinced that Islam is ONLY a problem because of the left, and only in the west. China has no problems with Muslims, do they? Islam doesn’t dare confront China because they know they will be destroyed in a few months. Yet Islam continually confonts the US and Europe which has many times the military strength of China. Is it because conservatives are weak-kneed about 9th century kooks? Of course not. It’s because the left encourages Islam…because Islam undermines western civilizatin in many ways, and that is what the left wants as well.

      That is why I say that the problem with Islam is small, but the problem with the left is huge.

    • jobeth says:

      I’ll have to agree that it’s the leftist that have ushered in the muslims for what they think is simply a means to their end. What I think though, is they have grabbed a tiger by the tail that will in the end devour them and attempt to devour us at the same time.

      America will never be as “efficient” as China in ridding itself of internal foes. That is not in the DNA of our construction.

      We are all about allowing to live and let live. Except the muslims will not “let live”. They will kill first and have done so with every chance they get.

      Well, disagree or not on the details…I’m just glad that I’m in the foxhole with you and others here at S&L.

      People like the S&Lers are the soul of this country. People like Steve sacrifice a lot to make our communications possible.

      There is a very real war out there going on to shut up these blogs. The left knows that thinking people have given up on the MSM…and have turned to the Internet blogs and such to get real truths. Thank you for sticking with us and taking it on the chin for us Steve.

      Yet another front in this war against freedom.

      I’m hopeful we are gaining ground on sanity with the new tea party mindset. We just need to remember we are only at the beginning of this uphill fight. And we need to be watchful of those who may fall along the wayside in search of the personal power that sullies a lot of politians after they go to Washingto.

      I truly appreciate our discussions Pro…You cause a lot of thought and consideration. And that’s a good thing… :-D

    • tranquil.night says:

      “I am among those who think that the mulims are part of the anti-Christ issue. I genuinely feel they are satan’s personal tools because they are so diametrically opposite of all that the Judeo-Christian faiths hold.

      I only wish…and pray…that the mindset you have, with the clear and obvious solutions to our problems, will prevail. I sincerely hope I’m wrong…and that you are right…but I doubt it.”

      Jo, you are channeling the prayers and cries of everyone in this world that actually understands the difference between fundamental virtue and fundamental sin; and how these two forces have incarnated and sparred throughout History.

      When we look at what we’re facing through this prism, good vs evil, the problem becomes that the 3 international Ruling Classes of the Western. Confucian, and Islamic worlds aren’t in just as much an “alliance of convenience” as they seem.. and the situation becomes very dire. The cultural rituals between these forces may be different (and don’t doubt that Islamists basically see Western Leftists for who they are as a bunch of weak-brained/kneed cowards too, as opposed to the Chinese and how they deal with Uighurs), but the moral philosophy is essentially the same – there are no rules to get your way – which is why savvy Islamists like Imam Rauf get trained on how to use Leftist language, organizational, and legal tactics to advance their subversion of American law, security, and culture.

      The state is supposed to be an avatar of God’s supreme will no matter what world power it is, whether it be in destroying modern society to build a one world order secular-socialist-environmentalist utopia or doing so to build a supreme Islamic calliphate.

      On their own Pro you are right that either of these threats – our leaders, our debt to China, or radical Islam – can be handled rather simply with a little time and public persuasion. The problem is these morons are intentionally starting fires and encouraging rather than mediating explosive situations. Then there’s the fact that we’re racing against the clock of impending nuclear disaster. As you all have probably noticed: the closer we get to defeating the Ruling Class, the more they are turning to the Islamophobic and bigot narrative to smear and intimidate us. And yet it’s a State Department sponsored Islamic slum-lord that just coincidentally decides its time for a national debate over the idea of having a mosque at Ground Zero. And look at the speed with which the media had Pastor Jones become the poster-boy for American Christian extremism – and the speed with which everyone specifically blamed him for all resulting breaches in national security and Moose-limb acts of violence.

      Painting all Tea Party candidates as insurgents.
      The night of O’Donnell’s victory: HuffPost – “Another victory for extremism.”
      They’re just waiting for something bad to happen so they can definitively say it’s our fault for provoking tensions.

      My theory all along is that this has been the “now or never” point for all these vengeful, tyrannical statist ideologies and religions of self because the revolutionary power of the internet stood to expose the big lies of well, pretty much everything over which they (the international Ruling Classes) previously held popular control – government, media, education, science and now religion (is their any question as to who let the pedophiles in the Catholic Church now?) – to the worst degree possible.

      It’s us against the world. Get the word out. The revolution is on.

    • proreason says:

      “The problem is these morons are intentionally starting fires and encouraging rather than mediating explosive situations”


      But don’t let yourself be misdirected to the wrong enemy. Why are the big fires right now about GZM and Pastor Jones?

      Because Islam can’t destroy the United States by itself. Islam is the hand they want you to watch.

      But the Ruling Class can and will destroy the US if we let them. That’s the hand in the pocket.

      Personally, I think there is massive voter fraud in progress right now, and that there will be several magic tricks in September and October while the hubub about the inconsequental Muslims dominates the headlines.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “Because Islam can’t destroy the United States by itself. Islam is the hand they want you to watch.”

      It is exactly because the conflict with Islam is being so pressed and coordinated that I am directing the bulk of my analysis to affirming their alliance with the Statists. They’re just different pieces on the same chessboard now – one’s governing the country to hell, the other wants to blow the country to hell, both are now actively working together against the people who want to defend it, a catastrophic potential. We’re probably just looking at this from different angles again because I agree with your point – the immediate threats remain in stabilizing the free markets, firing the bureaucrats, disarming the debt bomb, and imprisoning the criminals.

      And I fully endorse your three step plan to cutting ourselves from the bonds of the Middle Eastern fatcats, thugs and murderers. I just hope this tsunami of patriots stays vigilant as we head into late 2011 and downright pray that the rest of America keeps starting to hear the music. Understanding of all our enemies’ beliefs, actions and the current circumstances dictate that this regime WILL submerge this country into compliance, or out of spite provoke a Trade War AND a Holy War and convince the world it’s because of the Jews and Christian Capitalists.

      In summary it’s as you say, heh: defeat this President and his ideology and it gets very simple.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Stalin and Hitler aligned together at first. You may recall how that worked out.

  19. hushpuppy says:

    Confucious: re God and King

    Robert Baden-Powell was British and so pledged allegience to the King. In Commonwealth countries the pledge also was to God and King. Later it became to God and Queen.


  20. canary says:

    CAN (Christian Action Network exposing terrorist cells)

    won their law suit against the California schools, making children pretend they were muslims for a week. Had to choose new names, & wear the costume & pray.

    • jobeth says:

      You are saying the children don’t have to choose those new (muslim) names and wear costumes and pray as muslims?

      If so, Thank you Lord!!!

    • canary says:

      JoeBeth, I gave the wrong information. It was a legal battle they won in the state of Maine in regards to Islamic indoctrination activities in school.

      The Supreme Court refused to hear the suit against California school. Story at link below.

      Also, check out the Boy Scouts holding event with Muslim Brotherhood after the court stripped them years ago from Christianity which the Boy Scout’s founder based it on.

      CAN Wins Legal Battle Against Maine
      With the help of Liberty Counsel, the Christian Action Network has won its legal battle with the State of Maine over its controversial mailing program that exposed Islamic indoctrination activities in public schools.
      Apr 10 2010

      Last May, the State of Maine revoked CAN’s charitable status after it mailed a letter that informed parents of certain Islamic education programs in public schools across the country.

      The mailing exposed such schooling programs as took place in Byron, CA that asked students to dress up as Muslims, chant “Praise be to Allah” and learn the Five Pillars of Islamic faith. The letter asked parents to sign a petition to the governor of their state to prohibit such Islamic teachings and activities in their public schools.

      * Read more http://www.christianaction.org/pressroom
      Christian Action Network: California School Program Indoctrinates Children Into Islam
      Aug 5 2010

      The United States Supreme Court has declined to hear a case involving the indoctrination of public school children into Islam. The decision came on the First Monday of October, the opening day of the 2006 Supreme Court term.

      Not surprisingly, the controversial case comes from a ruling made by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. But what is surprising, is that hardly anyone has heard of the legal battle.

      The lawsuit stems from a state mandated course in California public schools that requires seventh grade students to learn about Islam, the teachings of Muhammad, as well as studying scriptures from the Quran.

      Though the course is mandated, the Californian Department of Education allows teachers to exercise their own discretion on how the course on Islam is to be taught.

      This discretion encouraged one teacher in the Bryon Union School District to adopt a supplementary “Student Guide” that specifically states:

      “From the beginning, you and your classmates will become Muslims.”

      One would think this statement alone would render the course unconstitutional. Yet the class went further in its brazen efforts to condition children into Islam.

      According to the Thomas More Law Center, a public interest law firm which sued the school district on behalf of Jonas and Tiffany Eklund and their two minor children, the course also had children:
      · Recite aloud Muslim prayers that begin with “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful…”
      · Memorize the Muslim profession of faith: “Allah is the only true God and Muhammad is his messenger.”
      · Chant “Praise be to Allah” in response to teacher prompts.
      · Profess as “true” the Muslim belief that “The Holy Quran is God’s word.”
      · Give up candy and TV to demonstrate the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
      · Take an Arabic name from a list of 30.
      · Play a board game called a “Race to Mekkah”.
      · Wear an emblem of the Muslim star and crescent moon around their necks.

      Essentially, the course had students “become Muslims for three weeks,” the Eklund attorneys argued in their petition to the Supreme Court to hear the case.

      Children were also asked to analyze, explain and recite this jihadist scripture:
      “Believers, why is it that when it is said to you: ‘March in the cause of Allah,’ you linger slothfully in the land? … If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly and replace you with other men.”

      Students were even asked to read this scripture:
      “Those who avenge themselves when wronged incur no guilt.”

      Regardless of the constitutionality of the case, should 12-year-old students ever be taught that Allah wants them to “march” and “fight” in his name, and to “avenge themselves when wronged”? The stories of two Californians, John Walker Lindh (“The American Taliban”) and Adam Yahiye Gadahn (“Azzam the American”), should serve as examples of the powerful impact these Islamic scriptures have on impressionable children.

      Yet despite the dubious constitutionality of the case, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that declared the Islamic class did not violate the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
      Judge Phyllis Hamilton, who was appointed under President Bill Clinton, presided over the lower federal court case and issued a 22-page ruling stating the children were only “role-playing” and “simulating” the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith.
      For example, a true Muslim must pray five times a day, not just once a day as students were asked in this class; a true Muslim must fast for a month, not just give up candy or TV for a week; and a true Muslim must make an actual trip to Mecca if affordable, not just play a board game.

      In the end, Judge Hamilton concluded, students were merely being asked to engage in “fantasy activities” and were never coerced into becoming Muslims because they never completed the Five Pillars of Islamic Faith.

      Conveniently, however, Judge Hamilton never mentioned the quote in the supplementary “Student Guide” that specifically states: “From the beginning, you and your classmates will become Muslims.” Furthermore, Judge Hamilton ignored the fact that the teacher kept a “log” of whether the children were completing the “Islamic Five Pillars of Faith.”

      Indeed, the “Student Guide” itself states students “must complete the Muslim’s Five Pillars of Faith.”

      “Role-playing” or “fantasy activities” set aside, one wonders what the federal courts in California would have ruled had the roles been reversed. What if Muslim students were asked to adopt a Christian name; or chant “Praise be to Christ” at teacher prompts; or wear a Christian “fish” symbol during school hours; or profess as true the “Holy Bible is God’s Word;” or be asked to recite the “Lord’s Prayer”?

      No doubt, the class would have been struck-down as a violation of the First Amendment.
      There would also be no doubt, had the roles been reversed, the ACLU and Muslim groups would be issuing doomsday press releases; newspapers and evening news programs would be blaring and printing screaming headlines; and the Halls of Congress would be in an uproar.

      In the Jonas Eklund v. Byron Union School District case, however, deafening silence rules the day. There’s hardly a peep. When I visited Congress in August, I went door-to-door visiting dozens of staff members. What I found was not surprising: Not a single congressional office, including the House Judiciary Committee, was even familiar with the case.
      But what can Congress do? First, it should pass a congressional resolution condemning the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision to uphold the constitutionality of this Islamic indoctrination program. Second, Congress should demand public hearings to determine the entire extent of Islamic teaching programs in California public schools. Third, Congress should cut off all tax-payer funds to public schools that indoctrinate children into Islam.

      Now that the Supreme Court has refused to hear the Eklund case, California public schools are free to have children “role-play” and engage in “fantasy activities” that essentially require them to become Muslims, as the Student Guide boldly declares.
      In effect, the Supreme Court has upheld the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision that says it’s perfectly constitutional to have children, among other things, profess as “true” the “Holy Quran is God’s Word.” Such a ruling allows any public schools west of Arizona in the south and Montana in the north to implement this Islamic indoctrination program.

      In fact, a public school in Nyssa, Oregon is now requiring seventh-grade students to dress-up as Muslims as part of a four-week course on Islam. A parent objected to the class, but to no avail. If the roles were reversed, would school officials have reacted differently if a Muslim parent complained that their child was being required to dress up as the Pope? I think so.
      It is a bit of irony that the 9th Circuit Appeals Court is the same court that ruled it was unconstitutional for public school students to recite the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.

      Perhaps if the Pledge of Allegiance had children recite, “one nation under Allah,” the 9th Circuit would have ruled differently.

      Martin Mawyer, president
      Christian Action Network

      Muslim Brotherhood Group Holding Events With Boy Scouts
      Aug 17 2010

      The Islamic Society of North America, an organization accused of having ties to the radical Muslim Brotherhood, has announced on its website that it will sponsor an interfaith event at the 18th annual National Scout Jamboree.

      The press release states that ISNA will participate in interfaith prayer services and will sponsor a booth by the National Council on Islamic Scouting. ISNA and its partners are also building a 40 x 40 foot mosque that attendees can visit.

      In 2007, the Islamic Society of North America was labeled as an “unindicted co-conspirator” by the federal government in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation, a charity found to be financing Hamas and connected to Muslim Brotherhood. ISNA has protested its designation and denies claims of being connected to terrorism or extremism.

      “ISNA remains consistent in its rejection of terrorism and violence. ISNA rejects all acts of terrorism, including those perpetrated by Hamas, Hizbullah and any other group that claims Islam as their inspiration. ISNA has encouraged and continues to encourage a just and fair settlement of disputes between Israel, the Palestinians and their neighbors through diplomacy and other peaceful means,” the ISNA website says.

      The Council on American-Islamic Relations, another group labeled by the government as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the Holy Land trial, has tried to get the Justice Department to lift its designation. The Justice Department has upheld the decision.


    • jobeth says:

      Wow…just Wow…Is this America?

      The same America that watched thousands die on 9/11? The same America that has been in the middle east fighting against the inhumanity that is at the center of this “faith” (in satan’s doctrine)? The America that has watched this same people of the “religion of peace” who regularly kill and/or maim anyone and everyone who they disagree with? Or that even on one of their holy days…cut the very heads of their baby boys? Anyone else would rightfully be scorned from that despicable practice.

      The stuff you quoted above is why I stay in a permanent state of being slack jawed when seeing what my America has become.

      Yesterday I was discussing the “blindness” and stupidity of our leaders in how they deal with this very type of thing. It’s as if they are either blinded or stupid or very afraid of being personally persecuted. All resulting in the same result.

      I’ve found when something wonderful happens with no real understanding of how it could take place we call it a miracle…a blessing from God the Father. Conversely, it just as clear to me that when these horribly despicable things happen and everyone operates in exact opposition to all things right and good…I see the hand of satan. We are clearly in the end-times.

      “Third, Congress should cut off all tax-payer funds to public schools that indoctrinate children into Islam.”

      Absolutely to that. I advise all parents to remove their children from public schools and put them into private or schools run by their churches/synagogues. Then fight like heck to bring back vouchers so these parents aren’t penalized by being forced to pay twice for their children’s education…once to their school, and once to the state who will teach this tripe to children.

      Once the public schools are deprived of $$ they will have to begin listening to common sense parents as to the content of their curriculum…

      One family began the drive for the return to real history in the text books in Texas that will have influence across the nation. Its the funding that is our best tool there…but we must first fight for vouchers to make that happen.

      “Now that the Supreme Court has refused to hear the Eklund case…”

      I’m not surprised. Our Supreme Court does not want to touch that hot potato! Seems they’ve removed that blindfold from Lady Justice’s eyes. Fear? That’s my guess. Can you imagine the up rising from the muslims if they actually took the case and ruled (rightfully) against them.

      That would blow up into a national muslim uprising as is beginning to happen in Europe now. The difference is that in America…The average Joe is not used to being shoved around and will fight back…

      What they are doing right now is, like always…push the hot potato issue down the road a bit to let another SCOTUS take care of it so they won’t be the catalyst.

      America better grow a set of gonads before we are another UK or France. They may only be about 2% of our population but look how much they are moving our educational system already.

      As I said Wow…You’ve given me a lot to think about…and possibly act on. I know of a couple of groups I may begin to work with. Now is the time. Christian schools and vouchers are worth fighting for.

  21. canary says:

    breaking from AP Muslims will be holding open houses for non-believers

    Muslims: Americans may worship where they please

    (AP) – 2 hours ago Sept 20 2010

    NEW YORK — U.S. Muslim groups, discussing the controversy surrounding a proposed mosque near ground zero, say Americans….

    The statement was made Monday as part of a New York summit to discuss the proposed Islamic community center. It called for tolerance and decried “ethnic bigotry.”

    ..,” with a focus on the weekend of Oct. 22 through Oct. 24. It said Muslims will hold open houses at their places of worship …

    The summit included….the Council on American-Islamic Relations.


    I’d like to take sprinkle some water around a mosque and say it’s Holy water, to test the tolerance of the greatest bigots on earth.

  22. AcornsRNutz says:

    I’ll tolerate a bunch of castrati running around this country kissing the muslim’s collective sit-upons, but you mess with my kids with this stuff and their would be hell to pay. I am not sure whether the ridiculous lies spread to these children is the most disturbing thing, or that we as parents seem to have relinquished and otherwise had stolen all semblance of control over what our children are exposed to.

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