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Senate Dems Buy Nelson For 60th Vote

From a walking on air Associated Press:

Senate Dems reach 60 vote threshold on health bill

By David Espo And Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON – Democratic leaders secured the support of Sen. Ben Nelson to provide the 60th and deciding vote for sweeping health care legislation in the Senate, capping a year of struggle and a final burst of deadline bargaining on President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority.

Nelson, D-Neb., said Saturday he made his decision after winning fresh concessions to limit the availability of abortions in insurance sold in newly created exchanges, as well as tens of million in federal Medicaid funds for his home state…

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the revised measure would lower deficits by $132 billion over a decade, with the possibility of much higher reductions in the subsequent decade.

At the White House, Obama cited those numbers in hailing the legislation as "the largest deficit reduction plan in a decade." In a brief statement, the president also said the country is "on the cusp of making health care reform a reality." ..

Nelson disclosed his decision as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., unveiled a final series of changes designed to solidify support. Among them was an increase in the Medicare payroll tax of 0.9 percent on income over $200,000 a year for individuals and $250,000 for couples. The bill earlier raised those taxes by 0.5 percent.

The legislation includes new limits designed to limit insurance company profits and overhead, by requiring them to spend 80 percent of their premium income on medical care for individual insurance policies, and 85 percent for group policies. The industry says such a limitation is unnecessary because profits generally are in the single digits

The option amounts to a consolation prize for liberals, who failed to include a government-run alternative…

On abortion, the measure would let a state disallow coverage in new insurance exchanges by passing a law to that effect. Additionally, it sets up a mechanism to segregate funds that would be used to pay for abortions from federal subsidy dollars flowing to health plans.

Federal law now prohibits public money for abortions, except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. From the beginning, the issue has been how those restrictions would be applied to a new stream of federal money under the overhaul bill…

The final agreement with Nelson was sealed late Friday night after marathon negotiations in Reid’s Capitol office a few steps off the Senate floor. Reid telephoned Obama with the news.

Officials said the federal government would pick up Nebraska’s entire cost of a Medicaid expansion in the bill. Other states will have to begin picking up a portion of the added expanse beginning in 2017

Big surprise, huh?

The abortion language was always a canard.

But isn’t nice that we taxpayers will get to pay for Nebraska’s Medicaid expansion?

Funny how the AP buried that little bon bon.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, December 19th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

40 Responses to “Senate Dems Buy Nelson For 60th Vote”

  1. JohnMG says:

    With shennanigans such as this going on it begs the question “Why wait for the 2010 elections?”

    If you or I or anyone else extorted concessions and then responded to bribes as a result, we’d all go to jail. But these assholes will get re-elected instead, and will retire with handsome taxpayer-funded pensions, and health care fit for royalty. What do we get? The BILL!!!!!

    Why wait? Let the exorcism begin. Merry Christmas, Mr. Nelson, and may you and your colleagues roast in hell for your spineless ‘leadership’.

  2. proreason says:

    Obama cited those numbers in hailing the legislation as “the largest deficit reduction plan in a decade.”

    As we all know, every word that comes our of the Marxist Criminal’s mouth is an in-your-face screaming lie.

    If the election doesn’t wash these strutting assholes out of office, there will be a re-takeover of the government by armed revolt.

  3. U NO HOO says:

    If health insurance is reducing the deficit, what is increasing the deficit?

    Nelson just got Landrieued.

  4. Media_man says:

    I sure hope Senators Specter & Casey from Pennsylvania take note and demand free Medicaid funding in perpetuity for the Commonwealth before voting for this turd of a bill.

    I don’t really see how any of these idiots plan on getting re-elected by sticking the taxpayers of their respective states with this huge Medicaid entitlement expansion. It makes no sense. They seem to think they can push the tax increase onto the states via Medicaid expansion but evade responsibility for the required tax increase to pay for it.

    Good luck with that!

  5. TwilightZoned says:

    This was a topic of conversation in our home
    this morning. Well, now our suspicions have
    been confirmed. How many others were bribed
    in this fiasco?

    So now we can add footing other states bills
    along with soon to be increased health care
    taxes, crap & tax, and super inflation to the list
    of major shrinking of our paychecks. It won’t be
    long before we are all poor, with the exception of
    congress, and our country imploded economically.
    Pretty much sums up Barry’s Christmas wishes.
    Personally, I think sending WH stockings filled with
    coal are in order.

  6. Petronius says:

    Obamacare is the Holy Grail of Liberalism. Indeed, according to the mainstream press, it is a most miraculous thing.

    Only Liberals could write such a miracle –– legislation that resolves so many conflicts, and resolves them in only 2,100 pages:

    – It will provide every American (documented or undocumented and those millions who are on their way here) with free universal health care, and at the same time it will reduce your taxes (unless you are one of the stinkin’ rich) and reduce the deficit (except for a few trillion dollars more or less, but, hey, who’s counting?).

    – It will lower the cost of providing health care, while it also (1) places new taxes on every nook and cranny of the medical industry, (2) increases the number of patients (documented, undocumented, and those who are on their way) demanding services from the medical industry, and (3) requires States (except Nebraska, Vermont, and Louisiana) to pay for a gargantuan expansion of Medicaid using State money.

    – It will protect the quality of health care for seniors while at the same time it (1) slashes Medicare benefits, (2) slashes payments to physicians, hospitals, and other medical suppliers, (3) strengthens our country’s commitment to social justice by redistributing a greater share of our scarce medical resources from seniors to the more needy and deserving New Americans (documented, undocumented, and those who are coming), and (4) restructures the architecture of the entire American medical industry.

    – It will give every American more freedom and individual choice over his own health care decisions, while it also (1) imposes fines and imprisonment for those who do not have insurance, (2) establishes a new Byzantine bureaucracy to ration your medical treatments, and (3) provides for strict government regulation of the medical industry by thousands of faceless bureaucrats.

    – It will provide free abortions for embryos (documented and undocumented) without using Federal tax money to pay for abortions (maybe).

    Yes, it is a miracle — the Holy Grail of Liberalism. And Nerobama is its Galahad, whose strength is like the strength of ten, because his heart is pure.

  7. wardmama4 says:

    Chicago Thug politics again – bribe ’em, threaten ’em and then just tout how I Won – get over it.

    I think a revolt in the terms of a Movement to Repeal the 16th Amendment – don’t depend on the Courts – they let this idiot proceed through the primaries and into the general election without the proper (i.e. Constitutional) certification process, the Supreme Court is (particularly after Kelo decision) no longer on the side of the Constitution nor the American citizen. It is apparent that there are no longer any Representatives nor Senators who have the guts, honor or integrity to stand up and say – This is Un-Constitutional, This is Illegal, This is Wrong or even NO.

    Repealing the 16th Amendment would get the Federal Government out of the tax business – and if they don’t get our money – they can’t do illegal, immoral and pack of lies un-Constitutional crap like this.

    So much for how much Nelson is ‘against’ abortion – I guess when you are a politician – there is always a price you can be bought – and since it isn’t their damn money – what the hey – makes no diff to them.

    They should all be tarred and feathered and run out of town – I can only imagine that the Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves at the Klownposse in DC and their fake leader The Thug From Chi Town. And crying at what these treasonist fools are doing to the Constitution and the American Dream.

    Too bad enough of America’s citizens aren’t up in arms (or armed) over this – America is doomed if this crap passes – mostly by being forced to listen to the empty suit crow over his ‘legacy’.

    The only legacy he deserves is to be the first American President sent to jail – because I know he is so arrogant – he would never resign – besides he has the majority – he knows ‘his’ posse will back him up.

    God Help America

  8. Liberals Demise says:

    This is NOT the will of the people these asshats represent.
    There will be blood!

  9. Rusty Shackleford says:

    As a 48 year old white guy, I am especially infuriated. When it comes time for me to retire, unless they can rescind all of this crap, I will be done away with through heavily regulated administrative “rules” and “limitations”. Every snot I run into when it comes to treatment for my diabetes and thyroid will both leave me without any say in the decision, and without any care whatsoever.

    Thanks government. So glad I served this nation faithfully so the baby-boomers could dictate to me yet again how my life will turn out. I was sick of having them tell me what to do and how to think while on active duty and as a civilian, I hoped I would never have to put up with such nonsense ever again. But noooooOOOOOooooo. They just keep doing what they do.

    ****-suckers. :-\

  10. BigOil says:

    This is truly a dark day in the history of our once free Republic.

    Interesting how all of the historic votes and agreements reached on this wildly popular government takeover of healthcare occur on weekends when 99% of the people are not paying attention.

    A calculation has been made by the demoncrats that no matter how bad the electoral consequences in the upcoming election, the socialism they enact will be irreversible in the long run. History is, unfortunately, on their side.

  11. proreason says:

    Ben Nelson just lost his lifetime sinecure.

  12. joeblough says:

    Obamerikkka …


    Nelson would hardly look out of place in a Roman toga attended by little servant boys.

    You know, the type that are being produced by our new [homo]sex-ed courses for grade school children.

    Imperial corruption and coming hyper-inflation.


    This all gets easier when I stop thinking of these bastards as American senators and just remember the senate of imperial Rome.

    The economics are right out of the Zimbabwe playbook. Just moving a little slower here. But it’s that whole familiar Weimar/Peron/Zimbabwe plunder-the-currency-and-ruin-the-nation schedule all over again.

  13. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    There are many reasons for the fall of Rome. One of which was the Senate playing along party lines rather than governing for the best interests of the empire. The similarities of back then and now are startling. Never mind what’s best for America, it’s what’s best for the party in power. America needs a modern day Spartacus to strike fear into our corrupt politicians.

    • joeblough says:

      I quite agree.

      The extent of the similarity and the number of similarities of detail is quite startling, and disturbing.

      And a big 10-4 on the call for Spartacus.

      The great question of our time is whether legal equipment bequeathed to us by the founding generation, and the intellectual equipment bequeathed to us by them and by the generations of historical scholars since are sufficient to save America from the fates of Athens and Rome.

      I’d like to think so.

      Certainly the Romans didn’t have Smith and Jefferson and Gibbons and Spengler and Hayek to read.

      But the contest is on and the outcome uncertain.

  14. pdsand says:

    So basically Senator Nelson is agreeing to a health care reform that everyone else except his home state will have to pay for. It’s the same old tragic morality tale about eventually the people will learn that they can vote themselves money from the treasury. I want it, it will be good for our people and country and good for our state. Just as long as we don’t have to pay for it. Oh, all you naysayers in the republican party could have gotten the same concession but you were busy being a bunch of naysayers. I’m participating in the process and demonstrating leadership by giving you the middle finger.
    Also it’s interesting the so called “restrictions” on abortion funding. The state legislature will have to pass a law banning federal funding of abortions. So I assume that means it’s automatic from the beginning, until the legislatures can act. Possibly years because some states are just that arcane. And I also assume it means they can’t pass a law saying that the citizens of their states won’t have to pay the taxes that go to fund abortions in other states. And I assume even if they ban the funding in your state, the federal government will still collect the full taxes for abortion funding, and just use it for other purposes.

    • U NO HOO says:

      “just use it for other purposes”

      They can’t do that, they have all money in a lockbox.

      You remember…

  15. JohnMG says:

    Anyone who harbored illusions that Ben Nelson was a principled man is either an absolute fool, a simpleton, or a hopeless romantic.

    You may count me among the numbered….but it won’t happen again!

    • pagar says:

      JohnMG, I think you could say the same for any Democrat voting for this Healthcare Fraud. I guess you would have to change it to read man/woman.

  16. wirenut says:

    Some have said, that the use of lead, was the demise of Roman rule. It might be the use of “lead” that keeps this republic free.
    Outrage after abomination springs from (the beltway), and we are to pay for it! Yet again, more mandates by a ruling class that feels no pain from which the rules they pass. Smok’n-hot and powder dry. This will not stand.

  17. wirenut says:

    Question: Is this administration trying to “provoke” a confrontation with the American public?…..YES/NO.
    If no, WHY?……………….
    Question: Do Executive Orders and/or Marshal Law have a direct consequence to your freedoms?….YES/NO.
    If no, WHY?……………
    Question: Do you believe in personal property rights and responsibility?….YES/NO.
    If no, WHY?…………

    Still waiting Mr.O.

  18. RightWinger says:

    It is just about official now, we are the United Socialist States of Europe.

    It is amazing the number of sheeple I know running around thinking 2010, no more health care worries that it is all free.

    Of course until you break the news to them that no such program will start until 2013, but they will get to pay taxes on the “free” health care for the next 3 years as soon as this is all finalized. First they think that is a lie until you show them the truth. Then they complain it’s not fair.

    Gee, you’d think with such a huge change to your life being decided by a bunch of money-grubbing, power hungry politicians who don’t give a damn about the American people, that one would pay more attention.

    Oops, sorry I forgot that “Dancing with the Stars” was on that night.

  19. BillK says:

    OK, I may very well deserve a time out for what I’m about to say here, but:

    Once again, America and Republicans got what they deserve.

    The American people elected Obama to do exactly this cr*p, and he was only too happy to deliver.

    The American people have been saying “politicians are bad – but not my guy” at the ballot box for years.

    Republicans pissed away the Reagan legacy.

    Republicans refused to act like they were actually in charge when they were, and lost an opportunity it’s likely they’ll never see again.

    Republicans refused to clearly outline who Mr. Obama was and who he associated with during the Presidential campaign.

    Republicans weren’t savvy enough to run scorched earth campaigns against Democrats who had no such qualms.

    Republicans feel bipartisanship is important.

    Republicans feel it wrong to act unilaterally.

    As a result, the “Contract with America” fell apart.

    Most everything Reagan did while in office has been reversed.

    It’s 1980 all over again, except Obama is Carter to the nth power, as even Jimmuh wouldn’t have had the guts to socialize medicine, and even if he had, America wouldn’t have gone willingly.

    Liberal power has never been higher, and Mr. Obama and the Democrats have just gotten started.

    There is nothing we can do at this point. Nothing. More than likely there’s nothing we can do in 2010. Or 2012 for that matter.

    Medicine is now socialized. We will never be able to shut this off – it would be like turning off Social Security or Medicare. Too many people getting too many goodies. Don’t believe it? Ask even the most conservative person you know over the age of 65 if they’d be willing to forego Medicaid, Medicare or Social Security.

    Taxes will go ever up, and the Government will just print more money putting us ever further in debt.

    One day China and other nations will get sick of buying our debt and the whole thing will fall apart.

    The American people don’t care. They want their freebies.

    Hell, I wish Reagan had never been President.

    Then we never would have known an end to Carter’s “malaise” and things would be no different than they are now.

    I’ve mentioned before, personal responsibility isn’t going to return.

    A strong work ethic isn’t coming back.

    Too much free stuff to be had. No one’s going to vote for someone who wants to take away their freebies.

    No one’s going to vote for someone who wants to cut things. Hell, the rich will pay for it.

    No one wants to be rich any more – don’t you know the rich only get that way by screwing the poor? Except for Democrat politicians and Union leaders, of course.

    It’s a cultural, multi-generational shift we can’t get out of. Not now.

    People who work hard, save, stay out of debt work themselves into an early grave and are going to end up having to pay 50% or more of each dollar they earn to the Goverment,

    People who don’t, buy everything on credit and then complain loans were forced on them will get to keep their expensive homes, will get free medical care, and free food.

    I ask you, who got it wrong? The people who are having to pay for everyone else, or everyone else who will be getting everything for “free?”

    Why not do what “feels good?” Why not just lean back and take what you can get?

    It’s easier to be a liberal. For better or worse, most Americans know that and are passing it down to their kids.

    Screw Eliot Ness, it’s easier and a hell of a lot more fun to be Al Capone – that’s the Chicago way.

    While everyone in the private sector fears for their jobs, their famiies and their future, those in Government employ are enjoying higher salaries than ever before, complete job security, and know their lives are set.

    I know I feel stupid and am sick of trying to bail the floodwaters of liberalism with a Dixie cup.

    It doesn’t matter who Republicans run – all the Democrat will say is that “They want to take away your health care” and the Republican will disappear as quickly as if they said they wanted to take away Social Security.

    All the great conservative and Republican hopes lie on one central lie – that the American people care about working hard, care about exceptionalism, care about honor or the right thing to do. That they care about the truth. That they care about what can actually be proven scientifically.

    The truth is the vast majority of those living in states with high numbers of people (and correspondingly, number of Congressmen, Senators and electoral votes) do not.

    Watch Jerry Springer folks – that is America’s future. Like it or not.

    For every Sarah Palin there are 100 women who’ve each had 8 kids by four different fathers, all of which are growing up beholden to the Federal Government for every need.

    Michael Moore, George Soros, Oprah Winfrey, Hollywood – that’s the future.

    No matter how successful tea parties have been, no matter what polls show on health care, it’s obvious it means nothing to the Democrats because they know they have enough support that it just doesn’t matter anymore. People will come around, and they’ll be safe.

    Because their constituents will say “Hey, throw the rest of the bums out… but my elected official does a great job – look at all the Federal money they brought home!”

    To use the far too often quoted words of T.S. Eliot:

    This is the way the world ends

    This is the way the world ends

    This is the way the world ends

    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    For without America to stand for the rights of the individual, and for freedom – who is left?

    • joeblough says:

      You’re on to something. That is indeed the general tendency of humanity … toward sloth, passivity and primitive self indulgence.

      But I’m not sure that it’s a done deal for America yet. You say:

      For every Sarah Palin there are 100 women who’ve each had 8 kids by four different fathers, all of which are growing up beholden to the Federal Government for every need.

      Not all but some of it is in those numbers. I get it that you’re necessarily exaggerating, but I don’t get it that normal people are necessarily in the minority.

      In any case we are on the hook to answer a question.

      If sloth, passivity and primitive self indulgence are the normal default state of humanity, how has it been possible to found great republics in the first place? And what is different during periods of growth and decline?

      The default state of humanity is not the factor that changes. Nor is the fact that the majority of humanity tends to live in that state.

      So the answer lies elsewhere.

      And our necks depend on finding it.


      Apropos of nothing, it occurs to me that the historical studies on these subjects, and indeed the theoretical (politics, philosophy) considerations as well, tend to focus on the universally human or the masculine aspect of things.

      There’s not been a lot of really good writing or thinking, that I know of, that considers the specific participation of women … or the specific value and nature of feminine participation … and whether or not those are relevant matters.

      To the extent that there’s any writing on the subject at all, it tends to be crap excreted by the academic feminist propaganda mill … which if anything, is seeking to promote the decline.

      But I suspect that your intellectual instincts are on to something when you cite Palin.

      There’s something different going on with the women of the American freedom loving population. I’m not yet sure exactly what or how, but I have a hunch this is going to matter in ways we don’t yet perfectly understand.

    • Petronius says:

      All too true, BillK.

      But let me add this.

      Next year there will be a political fight over amnesty. It may be more of a Republican capitulation than a real fight, but there you have it. The result will probably decide the fate of America and Western Civilization.

      The Liberal policy of open borders, in combination with the never-ending stream of Third World mass migrations, has resulted in a demographic transformation of the West. This transformation must be stopped if the heartlands of Western Civilization are yet to be saved. Sadly this Liberal policy is one that Republican Presidents and Senators have enthusiastically embraced in the past.

      The Liberals have succeeded in importing a new electorate, an electorate largely dependent on the government entitlement programs, and generally lacking the loyalties, work ethic, individualism, and will to self-reliance that built America. They have encouraged and welcomed the great mass migrations of Islamic jihadists and poor peoples from Third World countries––poor peoples, illiterate in their own languages, coming by the millions, by the tens of millions, not to join us, but to establish isolated enclaves and colonies, and to take over and expropriate our homelands in the West for themselves. Many of our major cities and other areas of our countries in the West are no longer recognizable as part of the civilization that was built by our ancestors. The impact of the New Americans on the 2008 election cannot be overestimated. And curiously, there is no call for reducing immigration even now, when unemployment is so widespread.

      In addition to the demographic revolution, America is poised on the cusp of bankruptcy and monetary crisis. And bankruptcy will be closely followed by the insertion of totalitarianism.

      Needless to say, the mainstream media is OK with this. In fact, they LOVE it, and actively promote it at every opportunity. Like all good Liberals, they have the Death Wish and not much more.

      Like you, I don’t see this situation turning around. Unless there is armed rebellion. But that is very unlikely. Nothing can stop the decline once the will-to-live is gone.

  20. pianogirl88 says:

    We no longer have representatives and senators in the hallowed halls of Congress…we have pimps and whores, simple as that. I’m starting to think that ACORN is small potatoes compared to the elected officials.

  21. sheehanjihad says:

    Our current Congress and administration is the best that money can buy. BillK…take heart my friend, because even though it appears that nobody will do anything about it, there are those who understand the value Freedom and Liberty, and will follow in the footsteps of our forefathers, and rise up against the tyranny we are now experiencing.

    They just arent as vocal as the left…but take my word for it, there is going to be a paradigm shift in the very near future…..and it wont be through talks and negotiations. We won our independence before, and yes, at great cost. There is fast becoming a “nothing to lose” mentality that will abrogate the horrible government that currently resides in Washington and State Captitols, and we will become yet again, a Nation of FREE PEOPLE….only this time the results will be, shall I say, more permanent for those who sought to destroy it for their own agendas and ideology.

    Once the tipping point is reached, there will be a flood of like minded people who will take it upon themselves to rid our country of this cancer that is slowly and painfully killing it’s host. Hang in there….this will NOT end with a wimper. Not even close. The time is fast at hand….but the results will mirror the efforts of past Patriots…we will prevail. Good over evil. We will prevail.

    • BillK says:

      I don’t know; I simply don’t think there are enough people left who care enough to risk giving up their freebies to set the country back on its proper track.

      I’ve mentioned before that when Reagan won, there were many people who realized the country was on the wrong track and elected a man to set things straight.

      However today, many of those who elected Reagan are sadly gone, and most of the voters left have never known a Republican President named anything other than Bush and so know nothing of Reagan or conservatism other than that “his support of Gorbachev resulted in Gorbachev ordering the Berlin Wall removed” and “he caused a lot of people to go homeless.”

    • JohnMG says:

      SJ’s got it right, Bill. The real significance is in what you DON’T hear when you listen. Every socialist in our current administration will flip us off while crowing about their ‘accomplishments’ and what they mean to the underpriveleged. The rest of us will respond to every tweak of our noses with renewed resolve. The undercurrent increases in force and right now is barely concealed beneath the surface. This group of clowns and court jesters ignore it at their own peril.

      A smart poker player will never take a man’s last dollar, the reasoning being that the loser is most dangerous when he has nothing more to lose. The idiots in charge don’t, or won’t, realize they are going to put us “all in” with their scheme. Something else they think won’t happen is that, this time, when a bunch of us say ‘enough is enough’, they won’t be able to stop what they started.

      I’m a 63 year-old, Marine, Viet Nam veteran, and like the lyrics to the song say, “I’m old enough to know better, but I’m still too young to care”. If they think I’m going to lay by and meekly let them deprive me of life through one of their ‘death panels’, they’re in for a rude surprise. I’ll be going out on my own terms, thank you very much! Meanwhile, Thomas Jefferson’s words serve to strengthen my resolve.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      Well said Marine …….Well said!!

      “Never corner a wild animal”

  22. Media_man says:

    The political calculation behind statism is that those who benefit from statist policies vote as a bloc, so if 20% of the voting public work for the state, they all vote Democrat. That’s probably a pretty close statistic to. That leaves the other 80%, which the GOP needs to get 63% in order to win. Now throw in not just the public employees but the welfare recipients and the senior lobby and it’s pretty easy to see where this all ends. It’s not a pretty picture.

    If you have a 401k and anything worth selling, now would be a good time to cash out & head for the exit. Santiago, Chile is looking good for me. America is finished, I’m sorry to say.

    • Petronius says:

      “Santiago, Chile is looking good for me.”

      As a result of the 2008 election, some of our neighbors moved to New Zealand.

      But may I recommend Northern Ireland? Yes, yes, I know, I know. But hear me out.

      1) The population is Western, friendly to Americans, and English-speaking.

      2) It is a very nice place to live if you don’t mind the rain.

      3) Its entire history stands as a repudiation of diversity and tyranny.

      4) It is on an island. There are only a few choke points to be watched, such as the Holyhead Ferry.

      5) They are a border people, toughened by centuries of conflict; they know how to fight, and the cadres, weapons, infrastructure, and nationalist political parties are already in place.

      6) The country is overwhelmingly Christian (Catholic or Protestant, take your pick), and perhaps militantly so, which is a huge asset in the war against militant Islam –– a war that has yet to begin in earnest.

  23. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    It ain’t over till’ it’s over. Don’t give up everyone, because that’s what the Left wants you to do. My late father ( a combat medic with two tours in Viet Nam) often told me that the minute you quit is the moment you are close to overcoming adversity. The most dangerous people to socialists/communists are the individuals who refuse to go along with the program.

  24. dykotymys1 says:

    I have to say I’m heartened by the words and spirit of 12 Guage Rage,Liberals Demise, and JohnMG.
    However, I fear BillK may have the sad and more realistic vision of our future. Those who understand freedom, who have lived under true freedom, and will fight to regain and restore that freedom are all older. I am 50 and probably on the younger end of the spectrum. The jackals and swine of the left have infiltrated our schools and universities, our media, and our popular culture. They are now harvesting the fruits of their despicable labor.
    I always hold out hope, but I fear we are a minority and fighting a hopeless battle like the Indian Ghost Dancers. These are dark times.

    • BillK says:

      I don’t mean to be depressing here, but the realization isn’t that we must stop these things from happening.

      They have, and there is no way back that doesn’t involve at least 50 years of intense work starting now, all the while more and more will become dependent on Government largesse and liberalism will become ever more ingrained in society. A losing battle from the word go.

      As but one example, this aired on ABC just thirty years ago; now it’s seen as horrifically insensitive, offensive to native Americans, and un-PC.


      Anything that could conceivably make a child proud of America is.

      Want to see another that will make you equally sad when showing how America used to be pictured?


  25. sheehanjihad says:

    Giving up isnt in the program. I was simply stating the obvious…and yes, a lot of people dont have the will to stand up and fight…..but there are hundreds of thousands of us who are willing to get our hands dirty so they dont have to…for whatever reason. 50 years and older are the ones who are being discounted by the left as being unable to resist. They are fools. Semper Fidelis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • BillK says:

      There may be hundreds of thousands willing to fight, but there are millions who want their freebies.

      Look at the populations of any city over 400,000 or so as a good example.

      Except for maybe Salt Lake City and Dallas, I can’t think of any major city in the United States that isn’t already far, far, left.

    • TwilightZoned says:

      “Giving up isn’t in the program.”

      I have to agree. I’ve never been in the military however, I would be willing to pick up a gun if that what it takes. Not that I am advocating violence. However, the time to get involved is now. We have the support of last great generation. (Notice they were a high percentage of the Tea Parties and hometown meetings.) Once they are gone so goes the dream of a free America I’m afraid. But they can’t do it alone. We must organize and do what we can especially during the next two major elections, 2010 & 2012. The young just may come on board as they are finding out how this health care bill will effect their pocketbook. We must not roll over and take what this tyrannical government is dishing out.

      SJ, thanks for firing me up. Your positive thoughts are so desperately needed in these dark times for America.

      Steve, are we allowed to post organizations that are fighting the good fight?

  26. chestnutt says:

    So many products to boycott from Nebraska…hmmm…

  27. proreason says:

    Maybe you can tell a lot about a person from his or her face. Consider:

    Ben Nelson: the picture at the top (pompous despot)

    Shelton Whitehouse: the Senator from Rhode Island who has accused ObamyScare opponents of all being white supremicists: http://whitehouse.senate.gov/newsroom/presskit/Whitehouse%20Official%20Portrait%20-%20Color.jpg (supercilious snob)

    Barney Franks: everybody’s favorite pervert http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/dish-barney-frank.jpg (unspeakable)

    Nancy Pelosi: the witch of the west http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/Nancy%20Pelosi.jpg (vicious airhead)

    Parker Griffith: the congressman who just switched parties http://www.aptv.org/ShowLogo/ParkerGriffith.jpg (nice guy)

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