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Shocker: NYT Rigged Health Care Poll

From the endlessly duplicitous New York Times:

In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health


June 21, 2009

Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector

Across a number of questions, the poll detected substantial support for a greater government role in health care, a position generally identified with the Democratic Party. When asked which party was more likely to improve health care, only 18 percent of respondents said the Republicans, compared with 57 percent who picked the Democrats. Even one of four Republicans said the Democrats would do better.

The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed.

Republicans in Congress have fiercely criticized the proposal as an unneeded expansion of government that might evolve into a system of nationalized health coverage and lead to the rationing of care.

But in the poll, the proposal received broad bipartisan backing, with half of those who call themselves Republicans saying they would support a public plan, along with nearly three-fourths of independents and almost nine in 10 Democrats

Half of those questioned said they thought government would be better at providing medical coverage than private insurers, up from 30 percent in polls conducted in 2007. Nearly 60 percent said Washington would have more success in holding down costs, up from 47 percent…

Of course we are by now used to our one party media heavily over-sampling Democrats to prove to us how popular their agenda is.

But this latest New York Times poll would even make the Mullahs in Iran blush.

For buried in the details, rather than trumpeted in their slick graphics, is this breakdown:

(Click to enlarge.)

So, in their wisdom, The Times saw fit to solicit the views of Obama voters over McCain voters by a margin of 48 to 25 percent.

Lest we forget, in the last election Mr. Obama got 53% of the vote to Mr. McCain’s 46%.

But what the heck. The Times  had to find a way to advance their mission.

After all, who reads their editorials unless they put them in the news section?

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, June 21st, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

10 Responses to “Shocker: NYT Rigged Health Care Poll”

  1. caligirl9 says:

    For the life of me I can’t figure out how these poll numbers come about …

    Even the raging dems I work with don’t necessarily want to pay more taxes to pay for universal care. Perhaps it’s a difference between dems who have good health care insurance and those who don’t.

    I don’t know a single Republican who thinks government has any business in health care. Period.

    It always amazes me to read that people think that politicians can “fix” health care in any way shape or form. Unless that politician is a doctor or nurse there is no way that the lay person can ever understand the complexities of the human body and the decision-making process involved in every aspect of patient care. Health care is not a flow chart-deliverable process, which is of course all government understands.

    If politicians are going to be making health care decisions, there is no need for health care professionals. Because those flow charts will tell them just what do to … and of course never acknowledge that a human life is at stake (I’m probably using the wrong term—I’m thinking of those flip charts used by 9-1-1 operators that explain step-by-step how to do CPR, or how to deliver a baby, or how to stop hemorrhage before medical help arrives. The operator doesn’t have that info in his or her head like a doctor or nurse—it’s in a step-by-step chart—do this, if one thing happens, do this next; if this happens, do this instead.).

    Can you imagine some government schmuck making diagnoses by using that flip chart? It’s already in existence by insurance companies and worker’s comp carriers. Coming soon to a clinic near you—medicine by a government menu, administered by an Acorn volunteer!

    • take_no_prisoners says:

      An older surgeon told me a story years ago. He had a patient that he felt needed another day or two in the hospital after surgery. He had to call the patients insurance company to get permission to extend the stay. He could tell the person on the other end of the phone was flipping through a protocol chart and the voice at the other end of the line asked “Is the patient on any I.V. medications?” Exasperated, he responded “Yes, strychnine!” The voice on the other end of the line replied, “I can’t find that on my list, how do you spell it.” So yes, your doctor is being second guessed by someone who probably has no medical education and probably has no more qualification than the person taking your order at a fast food restaurant.

  2. tranquil.night says:

    Step One: Get a bunch of Americans who vote but probably are ill-informed by State Media at best.
    Step Two: Make sure a (small) portion voted for a Republican and generalize polling questions as much as possible to elicit sympathy.
    Step Three: Credible poll. Profit.

    It’s almost not even worth talking about here it’s been so obviously documented. Make this point outside of this and few other forums and you can’t argue past it. Next thing you know you have the two sides distracted on the issue and debating a false premise while the real change goes ahead.

  3. bronzeprofessor says:

    I think the NY Times polling has already been exposed as fraudulent. Last year they repeatedly showed Obama leading McCain by 15 or more percentage points. If I remember correctly, one even showed Obama with an 18-point lead and I started to wonder if Real Clear Politics would drop the Times from its polling average (today, even with some of the inflated polls, for example, the RCP average shows Obama at only 59% approval.)

    Moreover, the Times endorsed Hillary Clinton and John McCain in the Dem/Repub primaries, both of whom lost. Their polling in October 2008 showed that Sarah Palin was “dragging” on McCain’s support, which made no sense considering that their own polls showed McCain being supported by 35-40% of voters prior to Palin’s emergence on the scene, and in the final vote McCain got between 46-47% of the final vote.

    I have to deal with the constant perturbance of my colleagues in academia forwarding me NY Times articles (the other thing the love to forward is stuff from Salon), as if I am supposed to be wowed by the infallibility of the home of Frank Rich, David Brooks, and Bob Herbert — all under the spectacular ownership of Carlos Slim — and all this from a paper that is violating union contracts with the Boston Globe.

    My response when I get a NY Times forward? I just do what S&L did above — slowly, carefully, politely review the facts. No Times piece with any implication ever survives scrutiny. Certainly this poll hasn’t.

  4. VMAN says:

    The first amendment talks about not “abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press” but could we make the argument that news outlets like the NY Times and other lap dog Democrat media are NOT “press” but simply propaganda arms of a political party? Given that, the 1st amendment does not apply. When they twist data and polls and omit pertinent information to color and spin the news in favor of a particular ideology then they are no longer the “press”

  5. bronzeprofessor says:


    This is an old story from Newsbusters, but it points out that in 2008, CBS, The NY Times, and Newsweek had the most inaccurate polls, overstating Obama’s margin of victory on the eve of election night by 90-100%.

    The two polling companies that were most accurate were Pew and Rasmussen, who were accurate to within a half a percentage point. Keep that in mind — today, Rasmussen keeps showing Obama with an approval rating 10 points below that of Gallup. (Gallup was in the middle range of polls for accuracy.)

    • cjokry says:

      Not surprisingly, Rasmussen has come out with polling that shows very different results: 41% in favor, 41% opposed. That’s a tight draw in a charged debate!

      Kind of exciting when you think about it. Too bad entities like the Times can’t be enticed by a things like a good public debate; if they were, maybe they wouldn’t be swirling the toilet bowl of financial ruin.

  6. The first question they asked which was the basis for the rest..

    “Do you read the New York times?” omitted from the results.. of course..

  7. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Liars. None of my conservative friends are in favor of this outrageous proposal. It’s all just a bunch of liberal drivel spin to make the opposition think that all is lost, and that any resistance would be useless since so many are in favor of it.

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